It doesn't refresh because it's no longer tied to standing in the AoE. It's now directly applied (for a shorter duration), with a bonus to the defenses if you're standing in the AoE.

Increasing the cost and almost halving the duration is definitely a nerf.

I wouldn't call it a nerf at all.You barely stay in one spot for the entire duration anyway and the cost increase don't seem problematic to me as well.

I was afraid this was going to happen...the dev teams response to underperforming skills is to buff them in a certain aspect, but then nerf them in another EVEN THOUGH THE SKILL WAS UNDERPERFORMING WHICH MEANS IT ONLY NEEDS THE BUFF...I swear they do this all the time and it is ridiculous...

Proposed change should look more like this:

Duration ability is equal to 15 seconds. If you step outside the area of the rune, then the effects will persist for another 15 seconds. The cost of the skill remains the same as what is currently on live.

This gives templars the ability to be far more mobile without having to constantly recast the skill, while also allowing for players to remain in one spot if they so desire. The only other main difference is a “potential” 4 extra second increase in total duration.

Liam12548 wrote: »

Well I hate to say it, but these buffs are PvP oriented and they have been a long time coming. Stamplar's and magplar's alike have long complained about the short duration of their armor buff and how they have to remain near a very small circle in order to refresh it. This change makes it effectively as long as hurricane, and with the low cost coupled with the magicka sustain lasting 15 seconds, you'll be able to keep your armor buff up 100% of the time effectively instead of having to play off the location of the rune in addition to occasionaly having to choose to purify or cast rune on low magicka (stamplar).

This is a very good change to PvP templar, and it was needed.

All that's changed is that you now cast every 15s instead of 8s and can't refresh your buff.

The max duration is down as is the return long term - Look at the charts in the above posts.

Doesn't seem like a buff for any competent magplar - maybe for the zerg surfers who were to busy sheeping to jump back in for literally a split second.

IMO, it is a good change to simplify the templar armor buff. And adds needed pvp mobility. But if you returned to your rune even once, it's a sustain nerf, and a large nerf for PVE DPS.

Comparison with other magicka armor buffs:

Templar is 15 seconds, 1891 magicka, provides a small amount of sustain and 2640 extra spell and physical resistance inside a 5m circle. Class has no sustain passive.

DK is 20 seconds, 2430 magicka and does a very small amount of damage for 10 seconds. Class has ultimate-tied sustain.

Sorc is 24 seconds, 3443 magicka and does a small amount of damage that procs their passives AND gives Major Expedition for 7.5 seconds. Class has 10% regen passive and tiny pet-tied sustain passive.

Warden is 24 seconds, 3645 magicka AND gives Minor Protection for the full 24 seconds. Pet-tied 12% regen passive, healing-tied regen passive, additional armor resistance as a passive, and 150 regen with zero cost pet skill.

Nightblade buff is a free passive that scales with heavy armor, small amount of regen tied to killing, 15% regen as a passive.


Suggested alterations:
Same cost, 20 second duration; still a PVE sustain nerf but bigger PVP buff.
OR
Allow rune to refresh once if you return to it; becomes a PVE sustain buff but probably does not affect PVP.

NBrookus wrote: »

Templar is 15 seconds, 1891 magicka, provides a small amount of sustain and 2640 extra spell and physical resistance inside a 5m circle. Class has no sustain passive.

You failed to mention minor mending, and a 30% snare to those stepping on your Rune in your description via Sacred Ground passive. If you're going to compete defense mechanisms don't leave out pertinent info. It makes you appear dishonest.

According to my math (and disclaimer, its really rough using a battle time of 5 minutes to compare) it looks like this only becomes a buff if you are literally throwing down the current focus and immediately leaving it and reapplying 8 seconds later. If you stay in the rune for even 2 seconds before leaving, the new changes make this a nerf (in that the cost of the new buff becomes more expensive than live).

This isn't even a buff for PVP. In PVP I usually stand at least 2 seconds in my rune or have periods where I hang out in it on a rock or something. Overall it's double the mana cost of hanging out in your rune and at best it is a few hundred less mana cost if you are running constantly.

I'll log in PTS and test it after work, but initial thoughts are that this is not promising for either PVP or PVE.

Liam12548 wrote: »

BNOC wrote: »

Liam12548 wrote: »

Well I hate to say it, but these buffs are PvP oriented and they have been a long time coming. Stamplar's and magplar's alike have long complained about the short duration of their armor buff and how they have to remain near a very small circle in order to refresh it. This change makes it effectively as long as hurricane, and with the low cost coupled with the magicka sustain lasting 15 seconds, you'll be able to keep your armor buff up 100% of the time effectively instead of having to play off the location of the rune in addition to occasionaly having to choose to purify or cast rune on low magicka (stamplar).

This is a very good change to PvP templar, and it was needed.

All that's changed is that you now cast every 15s instead of 8s and can't refresh your buff.

The max duration is down as is the return long term - Look at the charts in the above posts.

Doesn't seem like a buff for any competent magplar - maybe for the zerg surfers who were to busy sheeping to jump back in for literally a split second.

You really don't know what you're talking about. No competent magplar/stamplar is keeping a single rune down for the FULL duration on live and refreshing it within 7 seconds of expiration to receive max possible duration, UNLESS they are standing in a single spot and healbotting the zerg. Sure you can kite back through a strategically placed rune to refresh the buff, but in the vast majority of scenarios combat will call for you to recast an already inexpensive ability in a new location to receive your armor buff in a timely manner. This change allows for a REASONABLE duration on the ability and less instances where it will need to be reapplied sooner. Let's not forget that the vast majority of templar damage builds operate within melee range and that moving out of melee range to refresh a buff can tax your other resources in the process.

I've got 2500+ hours of 90% SOLO pvp on my stamplar. I've played around with this skill far more than most and that is my opinion of it.

Your experience is a stamplar, if it's a buff for you that's genuinely good, I don't know about that.
It's not a buff for me with 3431 hours on my main Templar, let alone alts; all Magicka based.

It was never really difficult to re-cast as a magplar, let's be honest.

Builds are mostly melee range, right, but why do you need to move out of range to re-cast it? And what would this change in regards to that? If you're talking about the 1s you save by not recasting - If I am on someone and they're snared, stunned or fighting back, or if I'm being jumped and I'm kiting, chances are I could get a refresh tick on my focus and then you're the one at a disadvantage?

I understand that you can say 'Oh but in this situation, how it currently is sucks' and I can come back with another where it's not so I guess it's situational and playstyle based. I also get the whole, 'we want to move thing' and I hear you saying Stamplar, but I just don't find it difficult currently as magplar - On the Stamplar you're moving quicker in general, probably kiting better because of that and I don't deny that I guess it makes sense for that playstyle.

I'm thinking about how I play and it just doesn't seem like a buff to me - We'll have to see - Like always, we'll adapt either way.

Just my opinion too.

jasonthorpeb14_ESO wrote: »

Another Templar nerf. GG Zos. This is starting to feel like the horror film “ the wish master”. We ask for small buffs and some how they twist our wish into a nerf .

"You wish for me to make your Templars stronger?"






"Granted..."

Eleweapons, innerlight, solar barrage, backlash, blazing spear

Elemental blockade, innerlight, reflective light, radiant oppression, dampen magic.

Im not gonna cry about this affecting damage dealers in pve

Bol, inner light, rit of ret, rapid regen, reflective light
Radiant oppression, inner light, backlash, ele blockade, blazing spear

Not gonna hurt my dungeon healer build either

Cadbury wrote: »

jasonthorpeb14_ESO wrote: »

Another Templar nerf. GG Zos. This is starting to feel like the horror film “ the wish master”. We ask for small buffs and some how they twist our wish into a nerf .

"You wish for me to make your Templars stronger?"






"Granted..."

Plsss zos noooooo. We are op like NB I swear..... just leave us alone

As far as i understand only the duration of the buff seems to be a problem with channeled focus.

Is that correct?

So its not the main aspect of the skill, the now finally moving with target Major Defence buff, but the secondary effect that needs some more tweaking to account for the increased cost?

@Joy_Division, now don't you think someone could persuade someone working on combat design to just do some "tweaking" during the PTS cycle ? After all the channeled focus morph ONLY has the magica sustain linked to it, and not 2 minor buffs like restoring focus or a group utility and a minor buff like wardens and sorcs, at least the only minor buff should reflect new duration of the ability (18s on PTS / 15 s on live) as well as the increased costs.




edit: on the other hand we should find a skill to be replaced by a real sustain skill anyways... anyone still using blazing shield or javeline?

Elsterchen wrote: »

As far as i understand only the duration of the buff seems to be a problem with channeled focus.

Is that correct?

So its not the main aspect of the skill, the now finally moving with target Major Defence buff, but the secondary effect that needs some more tweaking to account for the increased cost?

@Joy_Division, now don't you think someone could persuade someone working on combat design to just do some "tweaking" during the PTS cycle ? After all the channeled focus morph ONLY has the magica sustain linked to it, and not 2 minor buffs like restoring focus or a group utility and a minor buff like wardens and sorcs, at least the only minor buff should reflect new duration of the ability (18s on PTS / 15 s on live) as well as the increased costs.

Someone can try

I'd very much prefer the original way but looks like we're stuck with this method