I Wanna Get Better In Pvp, should i stay in no cp or move onto cp pvp?

Raammzzaa · July 2018

This is a great thread! FWIW, I strongly agree with everyone urging op to try everything in PvP. You just need to dive in and learn as you go. Personally, I would not base what alliance you are going to play on based on who is currently on top of what campaign - that has changed many times in the past and who is on top today will not necessarily be tomorrow.

Zeromaz · July 2018

runagate wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

You need to start learning group play which happens in the CP campaign. Not zergling but the small scale stuff. Dueling is also a CP thing.

This is real pvp.

sub50, nonCP, CP, dueling, battlegrounds - each are a system with internal consistency and there is no "crutch" each is simply different. For instance, in sub50 you have to get used to the idea that there's people who get full fighter's guild/mage's guild skill lines, skill points, all-golded out crafted gear, etc. without gaining many levels and the deck is so stacked against new players it's absurd. Same with nonCP - decent players from pre-CP days big fish in little pond then pretending their epeen is enormous roflstomping less experienced groups.

Whereas in CP campaigns I suppose the main difference is the sheer complexity of the different parameters that can be included in a build, plus larger population makes for a greater diversity in groups encountered as well, from the brainless zergs of Shadowgrabber that are whatever the opposite of a force multiplier is, to some scary solo ganker ninja that hasn't spoken to another player since launch except in emotes to those opponents they find honorable (serious, ran into a couple of these scary folks over the years).

AvAvA in ESO is group theorycrafting, strategy and leadership. Everything else is narcissism. Pretty obvious from how those folks talk if you give it a moment's reflection.

The real question about how to get better at PvP is what is your goal?

rewards for yourself

alliance campaign goals

fun

Though not mutually exclusive these three factors do conflict with one another a big and you'll have a way better time if you simply define what you want to get out of it before then determining how to go about it.

Dr.Phil? Is that you...?

PureEnvelope35 · July 2018

Try to get good at non CP PvP given that it is a lot more difficult and relies more on gear and playstyle, once you feel comfortable in non CP you should slowly try getting used to CP PvP.

JumpmanLane · July 2018

PureEnvelope35 wrote: »

Try to get good at non CP PvP given that it is a lot more difficult and relies more on gear and playstyle, once you feel comfortable in non CP you should slowly try getting used to CP PvP.

Nah, I’d say you get better by doing stuff. Dive right in. Now, I agree with you that playing Non Cp will make you better overall. I just don’t think someone should “ease” into CP campaigns. They should play both.

JumpmanLane · July 2018

Zeromaz wrote: »

runagate wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

You need to start learning group play which happens in the CP campaign. Not zergling but the small scale stuff. Dueling is also a CP thing.

This is real pvp.

sub50, nonCP, CP, dueling, battlegrounds - each are a system with internal consistency and there is no "crutch" each is simply different. For instance, in sub50 you have to get used to the idea that there's people who get full fighter's guild/mage's guild skill lines, skill points, all-golded out crafted gear, etc. without gaining many levels and the deck is so stacked against new players it's absurd. Same with nonCP - decent players from pre-CP days big fish in little pond then pretending their epeen is enormous roflstomping less experienced groups.

Whereas in CP campaigns I suppose the main difference is the sheer complexity of the different parameters that can be included in a build, plus larger population makes for a greater diversity in groups encountered as well, from the brainless zergs of Shadowgrabber that are whatever the opposite of a force multiplier is, to some scary solo ganker ninja that hasn't spoken to another player since launch except in emotes to those opponents they find honorable (serious, ran into a couple of these scary folks over the years).

AvAvA in ESO is group theorycrafting, strategy and leadership. Everything else is narcissism. Pretty obvious from how those folks talk if you give it a moment's reflection.

The real question about how to get better at PvP is what is your goal?

rewards for yourself

alliance campaign goals

fun

Though not mutually exclusive these three factors do conflict with one another a big and you'll have a way better time if you simply define what you want to get out of it before then determining how to go about it.

Dr.Phil? Is that you...?

I KNOW a couple of those scary folks lol.

Thogard · July 2018

Aliyavana wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

You need to start learning group play which happens in the CP campaign. Not zergling but the small scale stuff. Dueling is also a CP thing.

Hard to avoid zerging esp in my faction in my campaign, if im ad what campaign would you recommend for small scale?

AD is a tough alliance for small scalers on PC NA - most of the small scale groups are on EP or DC.

You should try to get in contact with
<YELLOW FEVER>
<Dominus> <—- id start here, they’re new
<KNOWN SHiTTERS>

But you should also make an EP toon or a DC toon, because I don’t know if any of those guilds are recruiting. Your best bets on other alliances would be <Legions of Mordor> on DC or <Zerg Surfers> on EP as they are pretty open minded about new recruits and not as picky as some of the other small scale groups like animosity, scrubs anonymous, red lotus, or strife.

Dominus, LoM, and animosity will be doing GvG scrims tonight on Shor. You should watch to see if that kind of thing is what your interested in.

In terms of CP vs Non CP campaigns... it doesn’t matter at all which one is harder or easier, the only thing that matters is that they’re different and you need to be good at both.

With how much you play and how rapidly you improved in BGs I think you can really be an impactful PvPer. Just branch out. If you need an introduction to any of the guilds let me know, I’d be more than happy to put you in touch with any of the groups above (except yellow fever who I don’t know terribly well Edit: sh0wza if you read this we need to fix it and do some scrims!

)

Also you need to join <Legend> that is one guild that has members of pretty much ever other PvP guild.

Thogard · July 2018

Here’s a video of some of the things we do in cyro taken from Stam sorc’s perspective. You’ll probably recognize him:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=_BaLJT1e1Fc

GreenSoup2HoT · July 2018

Id just straight into CP. You'll learn alot more their.

templesus · July 2018

Good players don’t play in No CP because it encourages Zerging. Much harder to survive Zergs as a solo/small scale player when you have much less resources. If you zerg the difference b/w cp and no cp is minuscule as most zerglings don’t even slot heals on their bar.