I Wanna Get Better In Pvp, should i stay in no cp or move onto cp pvp?

Aliyavana

Should I play in cp or no cp pvp? People say that more experienced people play in cp pvp and fighting them will be a better learning experience but another argument I hear as that cp is a crutch and no cp would help in simple things like managing resources and learning how to survive longer. Any Idea what I should try? Also if cp, what campaign has the most balanced faction populations for pvp? I'm tired of the population imbalance in sotha

Thogard

You need to start learning group play which happens in the CP campaign. Not zergling but the small scale stuff. Dueling is also a CP thing.

laksikus

There is group play in no cp aswell. At least in EU pc

Aliyavana

Thogard wrote: »

You need to start learning group play which happens in the CP campaign. Not zergling but the small scale stuff. Dueling is also a CP thing.

Hard to avoid zerging esp in my faction in my campaign, if im ad what campaign would you recommend for small scale?

Vietfox

PC EU here:
If you are tired of sotha it means you already tried non cp, so i advise you to come to Vivec.
It's been long since the last time i went to Shor, so i don't really know what's going on there right now, but i remember that it used to be dominated by blues cause the population was so unbalanced and many blues decided to get the emp title there.

Vietfox

PC EU here:
If you are tired of sotha it means you already tried non cp, so i advise you to come to Vivec.
It's been long since the last time i went to Shor, so i don't really know what's going on there right now, but i remember that it used to be dominated by blues cause the population was so unbalanced and many blues decided to get the emp title there.

Aliyavana

Vietfox wrote: »

PC EU here:
If you are tired of sotha it means you already tried non cp, so i advise you to come to Vivec.
It's been long since the last time i went to Shor, so i don't really know what's going on there right now, but i remember that it used to be dominated by blues cause the population was so unbalanced and many blues decided to get the emp title there.

pc na here

WuffyCerulei

Vivec on PC NA is very busy and can provide pretty good experience, as there's constant fighting. EP's kinda on top rn, but that happened earlier in the campaign. AD and DC have been more proactive lately, which is a nice change.

Jameliel

They seem the same to me. with the exception that Vivec has more players to fight against. Players will spec and build for whichever they play in more.

Are you AD? If so and you come to Vivec, welcome to getting owned by EP every campaign. If you're DC or EP, welcome to teaming up on AD. The AD life is tough in Vivec.

ArchMikem

CP is a crutch for most. Just the fact that you main a non-CP campaign probably makes you a better player than many.

WuffyCerulei

ArchMikem wrote: »

CP is a crutch for most. Just the fact that you main a non-CP campaign probably makes you a better player than many.

Ya may see it as a crutch, but I intend to use those 750 points I worked to get ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

runagate

Thogard wrote: »

You need to start learning group play which happens in the CP campaign. Not zergling but the small scale stuff. Dueling is also a CP thing.

This is real pvp.

sub50, nonCP, CP, dueling, battlegrounds - each are a system with internal consistency and there is no "crutch" each is simply different. For instance, in sub50 you have to get used to the idea that there's people who get full fighter's guild/mage's guild skill lines, skill points, all-golded out crafted gear, etc. without gaining many levels and the deck is so stacked against new players it's absurd. Same with nonCP - decent players from pre-CP days big fish in little pond then pretending their epeen is enormous roflstomping less experienced groups.

Whereas in CP campaigns I suppose the main difference is the sheer complexity of the different parameters that can be included in a build, plus larger population makes for a greater diversity in groups encountered as well, from the brainless zergs of Shadowgrabber that are whatever the opposite of a force multiplier is, to some scary solo ganker ninja that hasn't spoken to another player since launch except in emotes to those opponents they find honorable (serious, ran into a couple of these scary folks over the years).

AvAvA in ESO is group theorycrafting, strategy and leadership. Everything else is narcissism. Pretty obvious from how those folks talk if you give it a moment's reflection.

The real question about how to get better at PvP is what is your goal?

1. rewards for yourself
2. alliance campaign goals
3. fun

Though not mutually exclusive these three factors do conflict with one another a big and you'll have a way better time if you simply define what you want to get out of it before then determining how to go about it.

Girl_Number8

Aliyavana wrote: »

Should I play in cp or no cp pvp? People say that more experienced people play in cp pvp and fighting them will be a better learning experience but another argument I hear as that cp is a crutch and no cp would help in simple things like managing resources and learning how to survive longer. Any Idea what I should try? Also if cp, what campaign has the most balanced faction populations for pvp? I'm tired of the population imbalance in sotha

Play both cp and non-cp and if you can get with a PvP guild, so you have a small group of friends to help you get better through playing and practicing together and also you have a nice bgs team already set up with them. Cp and non-cp have their positive and negative sides but Vivec is a good place play. Have fun

Sheezabeast

We have lots of great smaller scale fights with the AD at Drakelowe, it's my favorite place to fight AD on PCNA Vivec Hope to see you around sometime!

Qbiken

My advice is to try as many aspects of PvP as possible in both cp and no-cp:

* Run in a zerg
* Solo
* Small group
* Organized ball groups
* Battlegrounds

Try them all out to see what you enjoy the most. The key factor to become good at PvP is to spend time doing PvP.

Syncronaut

I was killing people with only 300 cp, when they had max cp solo in cyro.

So it doesnt matter that much if you got skill (and playing a stamblade).

Personaly for me it is a challange to beat a person with better stats.

A lot of 720 CP players are generaly pve players and just there to get that gold item they wanted from golden vendor. Wich means they dont wear any pvp gear at all (no crit resist) and are easy targets to kill.


Few pvp rules:
*Be sure you can afford pvp gear --- the best parts are the most expensive
*Oblivion damage enchant on weapon....doesnt matter if its low damage, it ignores resistances (and Nirnhoned trait on 2h, if dual only on one and second one you need the most https://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Traits )
*Impenetrable on every piece of armor --- ALL!!!!!
*Stock on healing potions, detection potions (MUST HAVE!!!!!), potions that prevent knockback (those are life or death, as you can ignore quite a few of skills)
*DO NOT FOLLOW the enemy (unless you can stealth), skilled people bait new players into easy gank zones by pretending they are weak
*Do not fight tower camper groups, its a waste of time and you get no points if you kill them (not to mention you cant destroy the tower)
*Unless your leader in pvp uses voice chat, do not stack on groups --- those always get killed by bombers as the comunication is imposible
*If you spot a large group and you are alone.....use chat and report their location
*People who are on sieges are easy targets --- always attack one that is the most isolated (then burn the machine)
*Zerg group vs zerg group

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just leave the area (if they are to large) and just attack smaller targets
*Never go 1vs2 or more (unless you know those players are bad)
*If you see a stealed player and a enemy is attacking you in mass --) DO NOT RUN TO THEM EVER ....die and wait for them to rez you when the coast is clear
*If you are attacking the towers/keeps -- dont be predicteable --- always attack a area that is not defended as it saves your party time and reward is better, let the others play with them and waste their time while your group flanks
*If you are leading to not stack your group on just one spot, use tactics:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_tactics
People never expect to be attacked from more than one side. And if this happens they usualy panic.

Vietfox

Syncronaut wrote: »

*Impenetrable on every piece of armor --- ALL!!!!!

Lol dude, your tips dont work in all kind o playstyles/builds, especially this one above. I cannot tell you how many times well fitted trait has saved me.
With my magblade and 1 shield skill: 3 pieces are WF, rest of them impen.
My sorc with 2 shields: all WF.

mb10

Depends how much CP you have.

400+ id say CP campaign in Cyro but with a group

Any less and I personally think non CP, battlegrounds is more useful to you. You can die, and make mistakes there it's not as punishing as Cyro where you have to run all the way to the fight

rfennell_ESO

Aliyavana wrote: »

Should I play in cp or no cp pvp? People say that more experienced people play in cp pvp and fighting them will be a better learning experience but another argument I hear as that cp is a crutch and no cp would help in simple things like managing resources and learning how to survive longer. Any Idea what I should try? Also if cp, what campaign has the most balanced faction populations for pvp? I'm tired of the population imbalance in sotha

Generally, asking this question will lead to people arguing that their chosen pvp mode is best and the other is easier.

That's just rationalization, of course. As their minds crave positive reinforcement without them knowing it.

Overall... if you want to get "better" it really doesn't matter which you play; practice makes perfect after all. However, if you plan on doing BG's you will be better off sticking to No-CP to get the feeling to your regens down.

The key difference between No-CP and CP is the difference in stats and regen.

NBrookus

Aliyavana wrote: »

Should I play in cp or no cp pvp? People say that more experienced people play in cp pvp and fighting them will be a better learning experience but another argument I hear as that cp is a crutch and no cp would help in simple things like managing resources and learning how to survive longer. Any Idea what I should try? Also if cp, what campaign has the most balanced faction populations for pvp? I'm tired of the population imbalance in sotha

The most balanced campaign PC NA is Vivec with all 3 pop locked in prime time. If you want big zerg v zerg battles it's the place to be, but unless you are working with a group just pugging around the zerg is not likely to improve your skills.

Shor is currently heavily AD with reasonable numbers of EP in prime time, but the wheel of dominance turns in this camp so it won't last forever.

IMO, before rampant proc sets, no CP was more challenging and satisfying and a great place to learn. Proc sets are strong in CP but are crazy in no CP; it ruined no CP for me.

Mureel

I'm not as high rank as you, but my now deleted old nb was in the area.

For AP and some gf, I prefer BG.

Otherwise I prefer 6 to maybe 10 max small groups with GOOD shot callers. As in they're smart and make good strategies, not just loudmouths who threaten and *** and make bad calls.

In that case you'll have fun no matter what because you really can feel the difference in working in a team and working well and you have some amazing fights, and a good small group can wipe a huge Zerg, which is the best. Also the hate tells are sooo crunchy and good with ketchup. Or ranch.

Yellow_Monolith

Aliyavana wrote: »

Should I play in cp or no cp pvp? People say that more experienced people play in cp pvp and fighting them will be a better learning experience but another argument I hear as that cp is a crutch and no cp would help in simple things like managing resources and learning how to survive longer. Any Idea what I should try? Also if cp, what campaign has the most balanced faction populations for pvp? I'm tired of the population imbalance in sotha

If you can sustain and kill people in non cp, then you're ready for cp pvp.

Fiktius

If you want to get better in PvP, selection between no CP and CP campaign matters very little, if anything at all. You can become a good player, no matter which campaign mode you select. However there are several important things to keep in mind, which matters between CP/no-CP campaigns:

Most important thing for PvP:
Balance between resistances, recovery and damage.
- With CP you can adjust your resistances and recovery + boost your damage you deal. (Bonuses on heavy and light attack, direct damage, penetration and etc.) You can use your CP in favor and modify your build to become more suitable for your own gameplay style, but in no-CP campaigns and Battlegrounds that is not possible. You have to rely on your own gear, weapons, enchantments, potions, possibly poisons and food/drink. Decision between CP or no-CP matters since theorycrafting stage. Also keep in mind that you can adjust your crit resistance via CP, but in no-CP campaigns you will always have lower crit resistance unless you wear armor set like for example Impregnable. Due lower resistances several skills and monster sets hits harder, so you have to prepare for that.

- You will have lower max stat pools in no-CP campaign compared to CP campaign. That will have an impact on skills which are scaled to your max stat pools. (For example damage shields.)

However what comes to skill itself, it doesn't matter in which campaign you actually play. You can be good and bad in both campaigns. Practice is what makes a player good and that's what you need in order to become better.
And way to get better is doing PvP actively. I would recommend you starting from dueling against another players and against different classes and build types. When you've seen more fighting styles of others, you can learn to predict certain combos and skills in use. When you know more about fighting styles of different classes, you can adjust yours and use that information as your advance.
You also will learn by dueling what are pros and cons of your build and where to improve. Also don't be afraid to challenge more experienced players. There's no shame in loosing, because every time you got knocked down, you can use that experience on learning what killed you and how you could perhaps try to counter it. I could say that you learn more from getting beaten than what you would learn when knocking out weaker player instantly.

Drummerx04

It doesn't really matter which campaign you choose, but more into how you play.

I'd recommend getting a few friends together consistently and go off on your own to take an enemy resource in the back line. Hold that resource as long as you can. Repeat until you are good.

When holding that resource, have your group respond with proportionate force. If one guy shows up, try to 1v1 don't just ult blast him from stealth with your group... unless he's wearing shieldbreaker at which point show no mercy.

Solariken

I've always thought you play play quite well actually OP... It seems to me the only way for you to "get better" would be to just wear absolute BiS gear and stack cheese like most tryhards.

Aliyavana

Solariken wrote: »

I've always thought you play play quite well actually OP... It seems to me the only way for you to "get better" would be to just wear absolute BiS gear and stack cheese like most tryhards.

Its good that I am asking to improve tho as I know I am not the best player and I know great pvpers lurk here and can give me advice. I refuse to run sets like sloads and zaans as I won't learn if the sets do the job for me

BRogueNZ

ArchMikem wrote: »

CP is a crutch for most. Just the fact that you main a non-CP campaign probably makes you a better player than many.

Does it? Please explain why?

Lexxypwns

I didn't read all the other responses because it really comes down to 1 question. Which environment do you enjoy more? That's the one you should play in and learn to improve in.

I will say that gimping yourself because you think it will make you a better player is a myth.

Asardes

You won't get better from playing CP PvP. IMO no-CP is actually more skill based.

Two things bother me:
- in CP most battles end up as slog fests where it's hard to kill players even when fully specced for damage as CP do a bit more for mitigation than damage.
- in Cyrodiil, with both Sotha Sil and Vivec pop locked the former is perfectly playable while the latter is not; the ping and FPS is atrocious. Probably CP calculations are badly/impossible to optimize and that's one of the things that's killing it.

As a plus: if you alternate between Cyrodiil and BGs speccing for no-CP is more convenient, also if you do plenty of PvE besides PvP you only need to change gear, consumable, mundus.

Aliyavana

Asardes wrote: »

You won't get better from playing CP PvP. IMO no-CP is actually more skill based.

You see, I get a lot of different responses on what environment is better to play in for learning

JumpmanLane

Aliyavana wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

You won't get better from playing CP PvP. IMO no-CP is actually more skill based.

You see, I get a lot of different responses on what environment is better to play in for learning

I think I saw you once in Rawlka. You’re max cp. why in the world have you not tried Vivec in all this time.

Well if you’ve been toiling around in Sotha you’re more than ready for Vivec. Cp is not a crutch. It’s The Game and Vivec is Prime Time. The Big Show.

Non-Cp is not Skill vs Skill; but rather Skill and Build vs Skill and Build. So, are CP campaigns on Vivec is more your TRUE build as any PvE play involves your CP.

Just dive right in. Duel a bunch too. If anything it’ll teach you stuff like REALLY remaining calm and just not mashing buttons.