There really needs to be something worked out for those that want to switch to PC

mdb800 · July 2018

I want to state ahead of time that those that want to comment that: " Character transfers would be unfair to current PC players!" or " No". I understand a bit about social psychology and know that sentiment comes from just pure stubbornness to be just stubborn ( we know you feel consolidated in your own self-esteem in simply being a nay-sayer). The PS4 version of this game is grossly neglected. After spending thousands of hours and hundreds of dollars on this game, the quality of technical attention has degraded overtime. I have a 300 mb fiber optic connection with a ping always below 100: so I know it's not my connection. I have been plagued with getting locked out of the game for 20 days due to the voice channel glitch crashing the client ( it crashed ps4 pro users and made the game unplayable). This is not the first time though. I had to wait between clockwork city and dragon bones just so I could play again.Cyrodill has become impossible to play without constant lag being the determining factor of who wins. Now, the graphics are even worse than what they ever were as spell effects are pixelated and enemey players are randomly visible as pixel, unrecognizable models of the game.

Our progress is being held hostage to stay with the platform in what we started on. To ask anyone to start completely from scratch as if they had never played is punishment not a milestone nor a challenge. Thats 3 years of progress for nothing. The PS4 version is neglected and I am tired, as an eso-plus subscriber, of being treated like these technical difficulties are somehow my fault and getting no reimbursement for missed time on my subscription for time missed due to technical failures. I feel insulted and marginalized: I feel marginalized because their seems to be a mental association with mmo players on consoles as being poor and uneducated. Sure, I was just that but, things did improve and as a paid leisure activity I shouldn't be reminded of the outside world and my place within it due to factors such as my ethnicity or loss of citizenship. I am not trying to make a sob-story, but I know I am not alone when the development team permits a sub standard treatment of a paying user due to what platform they started on. At the time of launch I was poor and could not afford a rig that could run eso. I know I am not alone in this. As time goes on, the technical quality of the game has degraded, grossly. Here are some ideas:

1: At least allow those whom were ESO-plus subscribers to the opportunity to open a PC account with the same cp level as their original account. Not necessarily a transfer of our characters.
2: At least allows us the un-inhibited chance to re-purchase the crown store purchases we made, free of the timed-rotations or seasonal times for a limited time.
3: not as important: offer research completion scrolls at a one-time, discounted rate.
4: not as important: figure at a way to either transfer or buy our progress with motif and recipe library. I believe this can be done by simply copying and pasting the achievements but I don't really have the expertise with that to say.

Acceptable difficulties:

1: repurchase the expansions and the base game and everything else.
2: a transfer fee.

I will not continued to be bullied or shut off from a game that I pay for. I am will not fly with that. I would be wrong to say I am the only one that feels that way. I refuse to be treated like garbage simply because I was poor at one place in time. Not all of us are trash users whom are convicted felons or drug problems. Some of us came from being poor and should not be treated that we would be a problem to the PC community. If there is a difficulty with Sony or Microsoft to make such a venture happen, then ZOS/ Bethesda needs to call them out on this issue. If the updates with the PS4 are behind the loss in quality: Then Bethesda must call them out on it. This port of them game is barley being serviced and is getting nowhere near the amount of attention that it once had despite the population growth. Waiting for a new DLC release to make the game playable for a technical mistake is absurd and very unfair. I know for a fact, if it were a PC issue, it would be resolved right-away. I am not some trash in a rental park for former convicted felons. My money is good for you and you have never had a problem taking it. I do feel that there is a hesitation by ZOS in having low-income folks inter-mingling with high paying ones. To a degree, I understand: but, not all poor folks are poor because they deserve to be. Please look at this as a crash grab and at least be motivated by money, some of us will pay it.

I am aware of what was said before, but from here on out, I , myself will voice the need for this to happened or something like it: irregardless of ZOS's current plan.To encourage this to become a priority, we need to keep mentioning support for this.

mdb800 · July 2018

also, starting out without gold or items is ok by me. just dont force us to start from absolute scratch.

Jake1576 · July 2018

mdb800 wrote: »

I want to state ahead of time that those that want to comment that: " Character transfers would be unfair to current PC players!" or " No". I understand a bit about social psychology and know that sentiment comes from just pure stubbornness to be just stubborn ( we know you feel consolidated in your own self-esteem in simply being a nay-sayer). The PS4 version of this game is grossly neglected. After spending thousands of hours and hundreds of dollars on this game, the quality of technical attention has degraded overtime. I have a 300 mb fiber optic connection with a ping always below 100: so I know it's not my connection. I have been plagued with getting locked out of the game for 20 days due to the voice channel glitch crashing the client ( it crashed ps4 pro users and made the game unplayable). This is not the first time though. I had to wait between clockwork city and dragon bones just so I could play again.Cyrodill has become impossible to play without constant lag being the determining factor of who wins. Now, the graphics are even worse than what they ever were as spell effects are pixelated and enemey players are randomly visible as pixel, unrecognizable models of the game.

Our progress is being held hostage to stay with the platform in what we started on. To ask anyone to start completely from scratch as if they had never played is punishment not a milestone nor a challenge. Thats 3 years of progress for nothing. The PS4 version is neglected and I am tired, as an eso-plus subscriber, of being treated like these technical difficulties are somehow my fault and getting no reimbursement for missed time on my subscription for time missed due to technical failures. I feel insulted and marginalized: I feel marginalized because their seems to be a mental association with mmo players on consoles as being poor and uneducated. Sure, I was just that but, things did improve and as a paid leisure activity I shouldn't be reminded of the outside world and my place within it due to factors such as my ethnicity or loss of citizenship. I am not trying to make a sob-story, but I know I am not alone when the development team permits a sub standard treatment of a paying user due to what platform they started on. At the time of launch I was poor and could not afford a rig that could run eso. I know I am not alone in this. As time goes on, the technical quality of the game has degraded, grossly. Here are some ideas:

1: At least allow those whom were ESO-plus subscribers to the opportunity to open a PC account with the same cp level as their original account. Not necessarily a transfer of our characters.
2: At least allows us the un-inhibited chance to re-purchase the crown store purchases we made, free of the timed-rotations or seasonal times for a limited time.
3: not as important: offer research completion scrolls at a one-time, discounted rate.
4: not as important: figure at a way to either transfer or buy our progress with motif and recipe library. I believe this can be done by simply copying and pasting the achievements but I don't really have the expertise with that to say.

Acceptable difficulties:

1: repurchase the expansions and the base game and everything else.
2: a transfer fee.

I will not continued to be bullied or shut off from a game that I pay for. I am will not fly with that. I would be wrong to say I am the only one that feels that way. I refuse to be treated like garbage simply because I was poor at one place in time. Not all of us are trash users whom are convicted felons or drug problems. Some of us came from being poor and should not be treated that we would be a problem to the PC community. If there is a difficulty with Sony or Microsoft to make such a venture happen, then ZOS/ Bethesda needs to call them out on this issue. If the updates with the PS4 are behind the loss in quality: Then Bethesda must call them out on it. This port of them game is barley being serviced and is getting nowhere near the amount of attention that it once had despite the population growth. Waiting for a new DLC release to make the game playable for a technical mistake is absurd and very unfair. I know for a fact, if it were a PC issue, it would be resolved right-away. I am not some trash in a rental park for former convicted felons. My money is good for you and you have never had a problem taking it. I do feel that there is a hesitation by ZOS in having low-income folks inter-mingling with high paying ones. To a degree, I understand: but, not all poor folks are poor because they deserve to be. Please look at this as a crash grab and at least be motivated by money, some of us will pay it.

I am aware of what was said before, but from here on out, I , myself will voice the need for this to happened or something like it: irregardless of ZOS's current plan.To encourage this to become a priority, we need to keep mentioning support for this.

I agree with you I have been asking for them to allow this but all I am met with is silence from zos and by everyone else they just keep saying no not going to happen I am like you I started out on ps4 na and have a ton of hours put in to this game and feel neglected the majority of the time I report bots nothing happens ppl on ps4 are toxic report them nothing happens pvp is the only aspect of the game I enjoy but the shape it's in right now is unplayable and the fact updates to fix anything take forever is ridiculous if they would allow a switch to PC with my characters I would definitely do it I have almost 1300 cp on ps4 na and ppl say start over and join PC that's just absurd I should be able to bring my characters over with me I know zos can do it they just choose not to just like the fact they choose to neglect ps4 with support they just don't give a *** I guess

Runs · July 2018

mdb800 wrote: »

I know for a fact, if it were a PC issue, it would be resolved right-away.

About transferring... I am 100% sure ZOS would have no issues doing this, if they were not contractually bound not to. Step back and think about it. If they did this they would get every dime you spend on the game to themselves, versus the percent cut they get now with Microsoft/Sony getting the rest. You don't really think Microsoft/Sony is willing to lose that, do you?

Tavore1138 · July 2018

Lol, start by insulting everyone who has another opinion, great way to open a discussion.

That poor start to one side - since the initial transfer to console I don’t think they have offered this, even between pceu and pcna - I believe at least part of that is down to characters with duplicate names and how that would mess with the DB transfer and uniqueness etc.

They have also been unable or unwilling to transfer items both in game and crown stuff across too.

Unless there are a gret number of people wanting it I doubt they will bother... equally I doubt other players would really care if you did or not, it is ZOS you need to convince.

ResTandRespeC · July 2018

I would assume its mainly because of playstaytion/xbox. No company wants players to leave and usually attempt to lock them in to the platform. I wouldn't hold your breathe though, as people have been asking a long time. It might be worth it to just start a new account and play on both platforms. A lot of people do it.

G1Countdown · July 2018

As a long time PC player... Absolutely not.

Just kidding. Absolutely yes. I don't see an issue. And the concessions you are asking for are minimal. Support the player base so that we can continue to support the game at the fullest. I think some relief for the console players would be a pleasant gesture.

mdb800 · July 2018

Jake1576 wrote: »

mdb800 wrote: »

I want to state ahead of time that those that want to comment that: " Character transfers would be unfair to current PC players!" or " No". I understand a bit about social psychology and know that sentiment comes from just pure stubbornness to be just stubborn ( we know you feel consolidated in your own self-esteem in simply being a nay-sayer). The PS4 version of this game is grossly neglected. After spending thousands of hours and hundreds of dollars on this game, the quality of technical attention has degraded overtime. I have a 300 mb fiber optic connection with a ping always below 100: so I know it's not my connection. I have been plagued with getting locked out of the game for 20 days due to the voice channel glitch crashing the client ( it crashed ps4 pro users and made the game unplayable). This is not the first time though. I had to wait between clockwork city and dragon bones just so I could play again.Cyrodill has become impossible to play without constant lag being the determining factor of who wins. Now, the graphics are even worse than what they ever were as spell effects are pixelated and enemey players are randomly visible as pixel, unrecognizable models of the game.

Our progress is being held hostage to stay with the platform in what we started on. To ask anyone to start completely from scratch as if they had never played is punishment not a milestone nor a challenge. Thats 3 years of progress for nothing. The PS4 version is neglected and I am tired, as an eso-plus subscriber, of being treated like these technical difficulties are somehow my fault and getting no reimbursement for missed time on my subscription for time missed due to technical failures. I feel insulted and marginalized: I feel marginalized because their seems to be a mental association with mmo players on consoles as being poor and uneducated. Sure, I was just that but, things did improve and as a paid leisure activity I shouldn't be reminded of the outside world and my place within it due to factors such as my ethnicity or loss of citizenship. I am not trying to make a sob-story, but I know I am not alone when the development team permits a sub standard treatment of a paying user due to what platform they started on. At the time of launch I was poor and could not afford a rig that could run eso. I know I am not alone in this. As time goes on, the technical quality of the game has degraded, grossly. Here are some ideas:

1: At least allow those whom were ESO-plus subscribers to the opportunity to open a PC account with the same cp level as their original account. Not necessarily a transfer of our characters.
2: At least allows us the un-inhibited chance to re-purchase the crown store purchases we made, free of the timed-rotations or seasonal times for a limited time.
3: not as important: offer research completion scrolls at a one-time, discounted rate.
4: not as important: figure at a way to either transfer or buy our progress with motif and recipe library. I believe this can be done by simply copying and pasting the achievements but I don't really have the expertise with that to say.

Acceptable difficulties:

1: repurchase the expansions and the base game and everything else.
2: a transfer fee.

I will not continued to be bullied or shut off from a game that I pay for. I am will not fly with that. I would be wrong to say I am the only one that feels that way. I refuse to be treated like garbage simply because I was poor at one place in time. Not all of us are trash users whom are convicted felons or drug problems. Some of us came from being poor and should not be treated that we would be a problem to the PC community. If there is a difficulty with Sony or Microsoft to make such a venture happen, then ZOS/ Bethesda needs to call them out on this issue. If the updates with the PS4 are behind the loss in quality: Then Bethesda must call them out on it. This port of them game is barley being serviced and is getting nowhere near the amount of attention that it once had despite the population growth. Waiting for a new DLC release to make the game playable for a technical mistake is absurd and very unfair. I know for a fact, if it were a PC issue, it would be resolved right-away. I am not some trash in a rental park for former convicted felons. My money is good for you and you have never had a problem taking it. I do feel that there is a hesitation by ZOS in having low-income folks inter-mingling with high paying ones. To a degree, I understand: but, not all poor folks are poor because they deserve to be. Please look at this as a crash grab and at least be motivated by money, some of us will pay it.

I am aware of what was said before, but from here on out, I , myself will voice the need for this to happened or something like it: irregardless of ZOS's current plan.To encourage this to become a priority, we need to keep mentioning support for this.

I agree with you I have been asking for them to allow this but all I am met with is silence from zos and by everyone else they just keep saying no not going to happen I am like you I started out in ps4 na and have a ton of hours put in to this game and feel neglected the majority of the time I report bots nothing happens ppl on ps4 are toxic report them nothing happens pvp is the only aspect of the game I enjoy but the shape it's in right now is unplayable and the fact updates to fix anything take forever is ridiculous if they would allow a switch to PC with my characters I would definitely do it

I forgot the mention of the toxicity: sometimes the mute or leaving the voice channel doesn't work and they blast rap music and use racial slurs and nothing happens at all. They can use every racially abusive words you can think of and you can't shut them up other than leaving the zone they are at. I don't care to here the N word over and over and see the same user doing the exact same thing. This i why I can see some hesitation coming from ZOS as they wouldn't want their high dollar paying users being racially abused into going away. I think is a resolution to that concern though.

mdb800 · July 2018

Tavore1138 wrote: »

Lol, start by insulting everyone who has another opinion, great way to open a discussion.

That poor start to one side - since the initial transfer to console I don’t think they have offered this, even between pceu and pcna - I believe at least part of that is down to characters with duplicate names and how that would mess with the DB transfer and uniqueness etc.

They have also been unable or unwilling to transfer items both in game and crown stuff across too.

Unless there are a gret number of people wanting it I doubt they will bother... equally I doubt other players would really care if you did or not, it is ZOS you need to convince.

Most of the responses in the years past regarding this were that of snobbery. I could stomach concerns of in game economical impacts or over-population for example. But to say no because that's the way it has always been is just out-right offensive on so many levels, that is what I have an issue with. Sorry I did not elaborate, you are right, it is a weak opening to state.

mdb800 · July 2018

Runs wrote: »

mdb800 wrote: »

I know for a fact, if it were a PC issue, it would be resolved right-away.

About transferring... I am 100% sure ZOS would have no issues doing this, if they were not contractually bound not to. Step back and think about it. If they did this they would get every dime you spend on the game to themselves, versus the percent cut they get now with Microsoft/Sony getting the rest. You don't really think Microsoft/Sony is willing to lose that, do you?

In your opinion: do you feel some of us are looking at a greener pasture that is not that much greener?

Reverb · July 2018

I've never seen anyone say that allowing console transfers would be unfair to PC players, I don't know what makes you think that's the objection, but starting your post on such a defensive and confrontational tone isn't going to lead to open discussion most of the time. And your assertion implies that console players have some inherent advantage over PC, that would be unfair for you to bring to our platform, which is laughable.

From a business perspective, neither Sony nor Microsoft nor Zenimax has a financial interest in allowing you to take your account to another platform. Regarding your crown purchases, that is the specific example Sony gave in not allowing cross platform play for their customers, they want your ps4 purchases to be tied only to the ps4 and to never be able to benefit other platforms. They would apply this to your character progression, which was earned on the back of your PS subscription. Your account belongs Sony. You could have, and should have, known how insular your platform is before you chose it.

But your issue is not that platform transfer doesn't exist, your issue is that console performance is bad. Focus on that.

Minnesinger · July 2018

I would welcome all the new players.

mdb800 · July 2018

Reverb wrote: »

I've never seen anyone say that allowing console transfers would be unfair to PC players, I don't know what makes you think that's the objection, but starting your post on such a defensive and confrontational tone isn't going to lead to open discussion most of the time. And your assertion implies that console players have some inherent advantage over PC, that would be unfair for you to bring to our platform, which is laughable.

From a business perspective, neither Sony nor Microsoft nor Zenimax has a financial interest in allowing you to take your account to another platform. Regarding your crown purchases, that is the specific example Sony gave in not allowing cross platform play for their customers, they want your ps4 purchases to be tied only to the ps4 and to never be able to benefit other platforms. They would apply this to your character progression, which was earned on the back of your PS subscription. Your account belongs Sony. You could have, and should have, known how insular your platform is before you chose it.

But your issue is not that platform transfer doesn't exist, your issue is that console performance is bad. Focus on that.

Is there proof that this is an actual clause in the licensing agreement? I understand the not allowing crossplay and purchases of another. but I am not sure about there being no benefit or reward from playing on a different platform for activities on another. The concessions I started are barley crossplay but rather not starting from scratch. not even a character transfer.

mdb800 · July 2018

Also, to be clear. Nobody could have foreseen sony deliberately trying to sabotage the game.

Sergykid · July 2018

i don't even understand why can't the accounts be made to ZOS. Not ZOS PC, ZOS CONSOLE, ZOS PC STEAM, ZOS XBOX, etc.

yurimodin · July 2018

good luck with that......ZoS can't or wont even figure out how to move Steam players over to the ZoS launcher

mdb800 · July 2018

Sergykid wrote: »

i don't even understand why can't the accounts be made to ZOS. Not ZOS PC, ZOS CONSOLE, ZOS PC STEAM, ZOS XBOX, etc.

other games do this, so i agree ff15 for example.

ManwithBeard9 · July 2018

mdb800 wrote: »

Also, to be clear. Nobody could have foreseen sony deliberately trying to sabotage the game.

Sony isnt sabotaging the game, theyre sabotaging the gaming market. They dont want to share, Todd Howard called them out specifically as the reason why there wont be cross platform play for Fallout 76. Sony doesnt want anyone else playing anything but their content on their platform.

mdb800 · July 2018

ManwithBeard9 wrote: »

mdb800 wrote: »

Also, to be clear. Nobody could have foreseen sony deliberately trying to sabotage the game.

Sony isnt sabotaging the game, theyre sabotaging the gaming market. They dont want to share, Todd Howard called them out specifically as the reason why there wont be cross platform play for Fallout 76. Sony doesnt want anyone else playing anything but their content on their platform.

I am suspicious of that they are not creating sabotage: when it comes to ESO sony will not punish players who use racist language and harassment. They always find someway around being muted and the harassment can be too much. If it were another game, they would get punished.

TequilaFire · July 2018

With all the problems you seem sensitive to you won't be happy on PC either.

DuskMarine · July 2018

Runs wrote: »

mdb800 wrote: »

I know for a fact, if it were a PC issue, it would be resolved right-away.

About transferring... I am 100% sure ZOS would have no issues doing this, if they were not contractually bound not to. Step back and think about it. If they did this they would get every dime you spend on the game to themselves, versus the percent cut they get now with Microsoft/Sony getting the rest. You don't really think Microsoft/Sony is willing to lose that, do you?

they did awhile back i dont know why they stopped it

mdb800 · July 2018

DuskMarine wrote: »

Runs wrote: »

mdb800 wrote: »

I know for a fact, if it were a PC issue, it would be resolved right-away.

About transferring... I am 100% sure ZOS would have no issues doing this, if they were not contractually bound not to. Step back and think about it. If they did this they would get every dime you spend on the game to themselves, versus the percent cut they get now with Microsoft/Sony getting the rest. You don't really think Microsoft/Sony is willing to lose that, do you?

they did awhile back i dont know why they stopped it

I am wondering the same thing. I do doubt, however, that we should be expected to be harassed, cheated and not given fair and equal service. I am not even asking for a charcter transfer, just the cp on the account and the chance to re-buy what we purchased already.

Lucious90 · July 2018

So talking with ZoS when I started my adventures with the xbox as opposed to PC (I have 3 lvl 50s and 300 CP) with over 6k crowns that I accumulated as a subscriber for years (spent a lot)

I asked about cross platform when I linked my xblive account to my ESO account. They said it wasnt offered because something about templates and databases being empty at the start of the console launch.....

I think thats a load of bull.... While cross platform may be a bit more difficult (and could be locked in via sony and microsoft contracts) it could be an easy renegotiation given the money that could be brought in from either party.... Pay for it through XBL PS4 or ESO... Both parties make money

DuskMarine · July 2018

mdb800 wrote: »

DuskMarine wrote: »

Runs wrote: »

mdb800 wrote: »

I know for a fact, if it were a PC issue, it would be resolved right-away.

About transferring... I am 100% sure ZOS would have no issues doing this, if they were not contractually bound not to. Step back and think about it. If they did this they would get every dime you spend on the game to themselves, versus the percent cut they get now with Microsoft/Sony getting the rest. You don't really think Microsoft/Sony is willing to lose that, do you?

they did awhile back i dont know why they stopped it

I am wondering the same thing. I do doubt, however, that we should be expected to be harassed, cheated and not given fair and equal service. I am not even asking for a charcter transfer, just the cp on the account and the chance to re-buy what we purchased already.

well how a game like this should do is like fortnite does one account across all platforms(minus playstation whos a bunch of idiots for a console development team)

mdb800 · July 2018

Lucious90 wrote: »

So talking with ZoS when I started my adventures with the xbox as opposed to PC (I have 3 lvl 50s and 300 CP) with over 6k crowns that I accumulated as a subscriber for years (spent a lot)

I asked about cross platform when I linked my xblive account to my ESO account. They said it wasnt offered because something about templates and databases being empty at the start of the console launch.....

I think thats a load of bull.... While cross platform may be a bit more difficult (and could be locked in via sony and microsoft contracts) it could be an easy renegotiation given the money that could be brought in from either party.... Pay for it through XBL PS4 or ESO... Both parties make money

I would be willing to pay sony to release me from their bondage even if the price is in the hundreds, i second that. I had it with them. I am tired of being threatened, intimidated and treating like garbage when their is a problem. I remember pruchasing crowns and my account not getting them and sony refused the refund.

DuskMarine · July 2018

mdb800 wrote: »

Lucious90 wrote: »

So talking with ZoS when I started my adventures with the xbox as opposed to PC (I have 3 lvl 50s and 300 CP) with over 6k crowns that I accumulated as a subscriber for years (spent a lot)

I asked about cross platform when I linked my xblive account to my ESO account. They said it wasnt offered because something about templates and databases being empty at the start of the console launch.....

I think thats a load of bull.... While cross platform may be a bit more difficult (and could be locked in via sony and microsoft contracts) it could be an easy renegotiation given the money that could be brought in from either party.... Pay for it through XBL PS4 or ESO... Both parties make money

I would be willing to pay sony to release me from their bondage even if the price is in the hundreds, i second that. I had it with them. I am tired of being threatened, intimidated and treating like garbage when their is a problem. I remember pruchasing crowns and my account not getting them and sony refused the refund.

sonys the only company still opposing cross play right now the only one nobody else cares sony is just digging themselves a hole

Acrolas · July 2018

We all live with the consequences of our choices and the ghosts of our opportunity costs.

Support isn't going to do any of the bolded text. ZOS isn't going to hand-hold you to a perceived greener pasture.

If you think PC will be more productive, buy a cheap base game and test the theory while you wait out console improvements. I know it's frustrating to abandon things. But you don't own any of the assets you rent so you're not entitled to any of them, and we all have a rather large graveyard of frivolous spending.

Lucious90 wrote: »

I think thats a load of bull....

Well, have fun arguing with the official support answer. I'm sure it has a high tolerance for disagreement.
https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/25807

LiquidPony · July 2018

Runs wrote: »

mdb800 wrote: »

I know for a fact, if it were a PC issue, it would be resolved right-away.

About transferring... I am 100% sure ZOS would have no issues doing this, if they were not contractually bound not to. Step back and think about it. If they did this they would get every dime you spend on the game to themselves, versus the percent cut they get now with Microsoft/Sony getting the rest. You don't really think Microsoft/Sony is willing to lose that, do you?

Every time the topic of transfers is brought up, it's always said that we're supposed to blame Microsoft and Sony and it's totally not ZOS's fault.

But ... if that's the case, why can't we do transfers between servers on the same platform? If I want to switch from PC/NA to PC/EU I have to start all over again.

The actual ZOS explanation is that the one-time transfers from PC-->console at console launch were only available because they were populating a fresh database instance, and now that there's data there, it's not possible (read: too difficult).

And logically there's not much financial incentive for them to enable transfers in the first place. People who really want to switch are going to complain about it for a while and then do it anyway. And then they're going to buy the game again. And then buy a bunch of Crowns to speed up mount training and crafting research and XP gain. And then buy their houses and mounts and target skeleton again. And now probably buy Crowns to sell stuff to people for in-game gold. And maybe leave ESO+ running on two platforms for a while just in case. And that's not really speculation on my part ... I'm in a PC/NA guild full of XB1 transfers who have done all of those things.

My solution to that would be a "Transfer Token" in the Crown Store. I don't know exactly what the details would be, whether it would include just CP or characters or gear or Crown store purchases ... but even just for CP I would've paid an unreasonable sum of money. For CP and characters I would've paid $500, maybe more. I don't even want to consider how much I would've been willing to pay to transfer everything. And people probably think it's nuts to fork over that kind of dough, but I have to consider the value of my time. I've spent the past several months mostly doing stuff that I don't want to do. Farming Maelstrom. Farming dungeons. Running around in circles in Spellscar grinding CP. Things that I've already done to death on XB1 and now get to do all over again.

DuskMarine · July 2018

Acrolas wrote: »

We all live with the consequences of our choices and the ghosts of our opportunity costs.

Support isn't going to do any of the bolded text. ZOS isn't going to hand-hold you to a perceived greener pasture.

If you think PC will be more productive, buy a cheap base game and test the theory while you wait out console improvements. I know it's frustrating to abandon things. But you don't own any of the assets you rent so you're not entitled to any of them, and we all have a rather large graveyard of frivolous spending.

Lucious90 wrote: »

I think thats a load of bull....

Well, have fun arguing with the official support answer. I'm sure it has a high tolerance for disagreement.
https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/25807

well when theyve done it in the past for issues pertaining to similiar problems they really have no ground to actually stand on. cause they did it before whats stopping them now their the ones with control of the accounts not sony or xbox.

Acrolas · July 2018

DuskMarine wrote: »

well when theyve done it in the past for issues pertaining to similiar problems they really have no ground to actually stand on. cause they did it before whats stopping them now their the ones with control of the accounts not sony or xbox.

It wasn't an issue. It was original purchase terms.
Buy the PC version, activate by June 30, 2014, and get a $20 console base game plus a copy of your PC account on that console server.
One-time deal. Not happening again.

mdb800 · July 2018

Acrolas wrote: »

We all live with the consequences of our choices and the ghosts of our opportunity costs.

Support isn't going to do any of the bolded text. ZOS isn't going to hand-hold you to a perceived greener pasture.

If you think PC will be more productive, buy a cheap base game and test the theory while you wait out console improvements. I know it's frustrating to abandon things. But you don't own any of the assets you rent so you're not entitled to any of them, and we all have a rather large graveyard of frivolous spending.

Lucious90 wrote: »

I think thats a load of bull....

Well, have fun arguing with the official support answer. I'm sure it has a high tolerance for disagreement.
https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/25807

You're missing the point: I am talking about the chance to buy our own way to a fraction of our progress. Not a transfer of purchases. Are we breaking sony's contract by buying the PC version of the game? No. So how is re-paying for our crown purchases cross-play?

I am not going to stop until I quit the game altogether. This is not about assets, this is about treatment. We have entitlement to what we "rent". A land lord is not entitled to collect rent from a tenant when they sever the lease to no fault of the lease holder. "rent" of assets does not mean non-entitlement to the rights of usage. Sont is not leaving up to its own policies, not by a longshot. They should have to suffer the same consequences as we would, should we impede the rights of "rent". That CP is my time, not sony's and they have no right to deny that fact. Characters? maybe. Previous purchases? sure. Sony is not free to do whatever they want.