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ZOS Please? We really need LOL reaction back!
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There was nothing really wrong with it, and some posts are genuinely funny.
Also, it muddies Insightful because a lot of people situationally use it as sarcasm reaction.
Please just give lol back.
It's needed - and it would prevent comments that only say LOL or some gif saying LOL
I cannot seem to tag Gina from phone, if anyone wants to and can, that would be great and thanks in advance!
Also, it muddies Insightful because a lot of people situationally use it as sarcasm reaction.
Please just give lol back.
It's needed - and it would prevent comments that only say LOL or some gif saying LOL
I cannot seem to tag Gina from phone, if anyone wants to and can, that would be great and thanks in advance!
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So their using insightful as sarcasm is any better?
I don't think so.
And say goodbye to insightful. ZOS isn't likely to bring back anything that encourages trolls. I can very easily see them just removing this system altogether if it will save them any grief.5 -
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So their using insightful as sarcasm is any better?
I don't think so.
Makes no odds though, one or the other, both features would be abused. People are people and that's how some of them get their kicks.
Smile and nod, we all know what they're doing, it's only themselves that think they're cool.4 -
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✭✭✭✭I would love to see LOL comeback in support of some truly hilarious comments.
Trolls will find a way no matter what, hence inciteful being used ironically. Bending to them just feeds 'em more. I also think a disapprove option should make an appearance.Edited by BigBragg on July 2, 2018 3:16PM5 -
oXI_Viper_IXo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Are we really that soft as a society that we can't handle a sarcastic 'lol'? Oh wait, this is the generation of safe spaces and hyper oversensitivity, of course we can't.Edited by oXI_Viper_IXo on July 6, 2018 4:13PM6 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I don't see any particular need for it, or any reason why it wouldn't be abused as it was before. If it's the case that Insightfuls are abused instead then it would seem to be a lot less obvious than it used to be with the LOL button.
In any event, if all you want to do is put a genuine LOL against a post you find funny then there's nothing stopping you from quoting the post and putting LOL as your comment on it.Edited by Tandor on July 6, 2018 4:14PM3 -
DenMoria✭✭✭✭✭
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So now the options are "Insightful", "Awesome" or "Agree"? That's it?
99% of the posts are not any of the three. At this point, since the majority of threads are simply complaining, they are hardly "Insightful", they don't even offer any solutions other than "Destroy ZOS!". I read probably 100 posts per day and can honestly say that maybe 2 or 3 actually are "Awesome". Most are just run of the mill. While "Agree" is just fine, since you can "Agree" with the post, what is the real point. If you agree, you don't really need to comment anyway.
What's left? Report them? Unless they're being rude, insulting or just a straight out fool, I won't do that.
I realize ZOS wants to remain politically correct and never, ever cause anyone any harm to their "self-esteem", but these are just silly. Even Facebook has more options.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭There was nothing really wrong with it, and some posts are genuinely funny.
Also, it muddies Insightful because a lot of people situationally use it as sarcasm reaction.
I use "Awesome" for my situationally specific sarcastic reaction.XBox EU/NA:@ElsonsoJannus
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Fixed that for you. Usually the mocking done is meant to hurt, emotionally abuse, or undermine a person's identity. If it's meant for offence at most (which is usually my foray if I poke fun a bit) then it's okay but there are very unfortunate people who love to damage others.oXI_Viper_IXo wrote: »Oh wait, this is the generation of basic human decency, of course we can't.
I'm tired of it. I'm really quite tired of mocking from a place of bigoted prejudice being considered 'clever' in any way. If we're to progress as a society, as a whole, we need to be inclusive and it clear that it's absolutely not okay to other people for no reason than they're different. This doesn't excuse toxic, destructive viewpoints, however. Those are a cancer and need to be cured at all costs, and generally those viewpoints come from a homogeneous majority so there's a disingenuous intent in claiming that the people doing that are in any way vulnerable. (They're not.)
Frankly, I'm so disgusted by my own species sometimes and how they can exclude people based on arbitrary factors that it serves to embellish my bodily dysphoria. It's bad enough that I'm dealing with the things that I have to deal with, it's a burden to have to also deal with feeling as though I don't identify enough with my own species. A point which needs to be belaboured by anyone who feels that way.
So it's not being oversensitive, it's just being decent human beings and actually having empathy for the suffering of others. I'd ask "Is that so hard?" but...5 -
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✭✭✭There was nothing really wrong with it, and some posts are genuinely funny.
Also, it muddies Insightful because a lot of people situationally use it as sarcasm reaction.
Please just give lol back.
It's needed - and it would prevent comments that only say LOL or some gif saying LOL
I cannot seem to tag Gina from phone, if anyone wants to and can, that would be great and thanks in advance!
We've managed, how long has it been now, without it to bring it back now. I've been using awesome for funny posts, even when lol was an option.
I think you overestimate how many use insightful sarcastically. As someone who often checks the players helping players forum and the like, insightfuls seem to be mostly genuine.
Also, as someone who had a three day forum ban for my sarcastic post last month, you all are probably better off deleting your clever sarcastic drafts rather than posting them. Trust me, I don't think lol is coming back.
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Fixed that for you. Usually the mocking done is meant to hurt, emotionally abuse, or undermine a person's identity. If it's meant for offence at most (which is usually my foray if I poke fun a bit) then it's okay but there are very unfortunate people who love to damage others.oXI_Viper_IXo wrote: »Oh wait, this is the generation of basic human decency, of course we can't.
I'm tired of it. I'm really quite tired of mocking from a place of bigoted prejudice being considered 'clever' in any way. If we're to progress as a society, as a whole, we need to be inclusive and it clear that it's absolutely not okay to other people for no reason than they're different. This doesn't excuse toxic, destructive viewpoints, however. Those are a cancer and need to be cured at all costs, and generally those viewpoints come from a homogeneous majority so there's a disingenuous intent in claiming that the people doing that are in any way vulnerable. (They're not.)
Frankly, I'm so disgusted by my own species sometimes and how they can exclude people based on arbitrary factors that it serves to embellish my bodily dysphoria. It's bad enough that I'm dealing with the things that I have to deal with, it's a burden to have to also deal with feeling as though I don't identify enough with my own species. A point which needs to be belaboured by anyone who feels that way.
So it's not being oversensitive, it's just being decent human beings and actually having empathy for the suffering of others. I'd ask "Is that so hard?" but...
You really think someone is "suffering" because someone lol'd at their comment on a game forum? This is exactly what I mean, people just look for a reason to get offended at every little thing. Some people really need to lighten up a bit.2 -
Xerikten✭✭✭✭hmm interesting post.
from what I read between the lines is that the op can only get lol responses, needs them for the "points" and now wants it back.
just because posts don't all fall within the three options we now have doesn't mean we need more. there is a fourth option none of you mentioned. just don't vote at all.
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Fixed that for you. Usually the mocking done is meant to hurt, emotionally abuse, or undermine a person's identity. If it's meant for offence at most (which is usually my foray if I poke fun a bit) then it's okay but there are very unfortunate people who love to damage others.oXI_Viper_IXo wrote: »Oh wait, this is the generation of basic human decency, of course we can't.
I'm tired of it. I'm really quite tired of mocking from a place of bigoted prejudice being considered 'clever' in any way. If we're to progress as a society, as a whole, we need to be inclusive and it clear that it's absolutely not okay to other people for no reason than they're different. This doesn't excuse toxic, destructive viewpoints, however. Those are a cancer and need to be cured at all costs, and generally those viewpoints come from a homogeneous majority so there's a disingenuous intent in claiming that the people doing that are in any way vulnerable. (They're not.)
Frankly, I'm so disgusted by my own species sometimes and how they can exclude people based on arbitrary factors that it serves to embellish my bodily dysphoria. It's bad enough that I'm dealing with the things that I have to deal with, it's a burden to have to also deal with feeling as though I don't identify enough with my own species. A point which needs to be belaboured by anyone who feels that way.
So it's not being oversensitive, it's just being decent human beings and actually having empathy for the suffering of others. I'd ask "Is that so hard?" but...
And that is why we Need a LOL button.1 -
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✭oXI_Viper_IXo wrote: »
Fixed that for you. Usually the mocking done is meant to hurt, emotionally abuse, or undermine a person's identity. If it's meant for offence at most (which is usually my foray if I poke fun a bit) then it's okay but there are very unfortunate people who love to damage others.oXI_Viper_IXo wrote: »Oh wait, this is the generation of basic human decency, of course we can't.
I'm tired of it. I'm really quite tired of mocking from a place of bigoted prejudice being considered 'clever' in any way. If we're to progress as a society, as a whole, we need to be inclusive and it clear that it's absolutely not okay to other people for no reason than they're different. This doesn't excuse toxic, destructive viewpoints, however. Those are a cancer and need to be cured at all costs, and generally those viewpoints come from a homogeneous majority so there's a disingenuous intent in claiming that the people doing that are in any way vulnerable. (They're not.)
Frankly, I'm so disgusted by my own species sometimes and how they can exclude people based on arbitrary factors that it serves to embellish my bodily dysphoria. It's bad enough that I'm dealing with the things that I have to deal with, it's a burden to have to also deal with feeling as though I don't identify enough with my own species. A point which needs to be belaboured by anyone who feels that way.
So it's not being oversensitive, it's just being decent human beings and actually having empathy for the suffering of others. I'd ask "Is that so hard?" but...
You really think someone is "suffering" because someone lol'd at their comment on a game forum? This is exactly what I mean, people just look for a reason to get offended at every little thing. Some people really need to lighten up a bit.
"A bit"? You'd think ESO was some people's lives. That it's the only thing that the exist for. That they are consumed by it.
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✭✭✭✭✭Once LOL became an insult, I don't recall it ever adding anything constructive to the forums or a conversation. It became the equivalent of making a vulgar gesture and just walking away. There are still plenty of complaints and disagreements on forum, but now people actually have to make a post and write out what their complaint/disagreement is in a reasonable and polite manner, rather than hiding behind the anonymity of the LOL button as a kind of griefer tool.3 -
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Fixed that for you. Usually the mocking done is meant to hurt, emotionally abuse, or undermine a person's identity. If it's meant for offence at most (which is usually my foray if I poke fun a bit) then it's okay but there are very unfortunate people who love to damage others.oXI_Viper_IXo wrote: »Oh wait, this is the generation of basic human decency, of course we can't.
I'm tired of it. I'm really quite tired of mocking from a place of bigoted prejudice being considered 'clever' in any way. If we're to progress as a society, as a whole, we need to be inclusive and it clear that it's absolutely not okay to other people for no reason than they're different. This doesn't excuse toxic, destructive viewpoints, however. Those are a cancer and need to be cured at all costs, and generally those viewpoints come from a homogeneous majority so there's a disingenuous intent in claiming that the people doing that are in any way vulnerable. (They're not.)
Frankly, I'm so disgusted by my own species sometimes and how they can exclude people based on arbitrary factors that it serves to embellish my bodily dysphoria. It's bad enough that I'm dealing with the things that I have to deal with, it's a burden to have to also deal with feeling as though I don't identify enough with my own species. A point which needs to be belaboured by anyone who feels that way.
So it's not being oversensitive, it's just being decent human beings and actually having empathy for the suffering of others. I'd ask "Is that so hard?" but...
And that is why we Need a LOL button.
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✭✭✭✭✭Trolls will find a way no matter what, hence inciteful being used ironically. Bending to them just feeds 'em more. I also think a disapprove option should make an appearance.
There used to be a Disagree option. It got removed before LOL.
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Fixed that for you. Usually the mocking done is meant to hurt, emotionally abuse, or undermine a person's identity. If it's meant for offence at most (which is usually my foray if I poke fun a bit) then it's okay but there are very unfortunate people who love to damage others.oXI_Viper_IXo wrote: »Oh wait, this is the generation of basic human decency, of course we can't.
I'm tired of it. I'm really quite tired of mocking from a place of bigoted prejudice being considered 'clever' in any way. If we're to progress as a society, as a whole, we need to be inclusive and it clear that it's absolutely not okay to other people for no reason than they're different. This doesn't excuse toxic, destructive viewpoints, however. Those are a cancer and need to be cured at all costs, and generally those viewpoints come from a homogeneous majority so there's a disingenuous intent in claiming that the people doing that are in any way vulnerable. (They're not.)
Frankly, I'm so disgusted by my own species sometimes and how they can exclude people based on arbitrary factors that it serves to embellish my bodily dysphoria. It's bad enough that I'm dealing with the things that I have to deal with, it's a burden to have to also deal with feeling as though I don't identify enough with my own species. A point which needs to be belaboured by anyone who feels that way.
So it's not being oversensitive, it's just being decent human beings and actually having empathy for the suffering of others. I'd ask "Is that so hard?" but...
And that is why we Need a LOL button.
There is an insightful button people use in its place
Uhm... I didn't think "LOL" and "Insightful" were synonyms, but...2 -
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it was being used as a method of insulting and degrading peoples honest opinions.
i hope it does not return.1 -
DenMoria✭✭✭✭✭
✭dwemer_paleologist wrote: »it was being used as a method of insulting and degrading peoples honest opinions.
i hope it does not return.
You're right. We don't need the LOL button. We seem to do just fine "insulting and degrading" people without it.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I very rarely see Insightful used as mockery, unless someone specifically says that's what they did. They almost have to clarify that mockery, because Insightful otherwise means that you think someone made a knowledgeable contribution to the topic.
Unlike LOL, which can easily be used to mean either I'm laughing with you or I'm laughing at you with no easy way to tell which one is meant.
The ideal, I suppose, would be to reintroduce the Disagree reaction, but I can see where ZOS wants to move away from a certain level of negativity that might bring.
As it is, my funny posts tend to get more Awesome reactions.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Maybe they plan to eventually get rid of what we have now and replace it with Slightly Positive Meh, Mostly Neutral Meh, and Slightly Negative Meh. It's 2018, are there really any other web flavors out there.Edited by Acrolas on July 7, 2018 2:00PMsigning off2
