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I am pretty sure, that any arguments from "1vsX"'ers are invalid.
If you are 1vsXer, that means you are already has cheesy build and just trying to nerf the only thing, that can counterplays you.
This is ridiculous.

normally 1vX builds are well rounded and much less cheesy than what you think. if you think about the cheesiests sets like zaan, caluurion, sloads, etc, then you will see that they arent used by 1vX builds mostly.

Does guy, weared in zaan, caluurion and sload, able to be successful in 1vsX scenario?

caluurion is not a 1vX set, neither is zaan nor sloads, since all things are single target damage procs. as a 1vXer you need some decent aoe pressure, because you only get a chance to kill someone, when you get a small time window, where you can continue attacking (meaning a big aoe hit for example, so that enemies shortly have to recover or at least break free). you also cant decide on who your sloads proc when you have a little aoe damage in your build, meaning it mostly will proc on an enemy you are not focussing on ->wasted proc.

so what i stated above means, that you surely can do 1vX with those sets, but there are far better suited sets for doing so and they mostly arent cheesy at all.

That's it, mate and this easely brings us to the conclusion, that this sets aren's so OP as whiners are claiming.
So, why even bother if several guys are able to kill ONE enemy? Aren't it mentioned naturally, huh?

This sets are NOT OP in this cases: 1vs1, small group vs small group, zerg vs zerg. Am I right?
So, what is "broken" there again?

I'd rather would take a look on sets, that make one to 1vsX - that's a real broken stuff.

lol the one thing has nothing to do with the other.
a set is overperforming, when it performs too well in several aspects or when it performs more than everything else in a certain situation. those cheesy sets dont work on a 1vX build, but thats a playstyle very rarely in the game, meanwhile sloads perform too good in every other situations (1v1, Xv1, zerging, sieging, bgs, small group). duroks may not work on gankers and bombers, but in every other pvp playstyle and content it performs far too well. caluurion is strong for ganking, Xv1, zerging, bgs and small group.
Thats why those sets are too strong, because they work too good in too many aspects of the game, meanwhile you think sets are OP because they are used in 1vX....
1vX mostly is based on the skilllevel of the one. sets dont allow 1vXing and therefore its only fair, when skilled player are able to kill several noobs.
if you want to nerf sets used on 1vX builds, then start nerfing pretty normal sets like bone pirate, shacklebreaker, wizards riposte, pirate skeleton, desert rose or fury.

Wonder, are you answered to my post or to some imagined in your mind?

This already has been said: if someone can't outheal Slaad's in 1v1 - it's not set broken then, but that guy.
Aren't 1vX is the same as Xv1? How it's even possible inside your single post to be "rare" in one case and "many aspects" in the other? I can only repeat myself here: aren't it naturally mentioned for several players to kill 1 guy? What a deal for sets they are wearing then?
And this is not a thing in zergs completely, because all healers and most mages (even some staminers!) are using Purge. Always did, long before "OP" sets! And add here frkn tons of healing, just everywhere inside of zerg.

If someone wearing Durok - this is tank set, so he is opted out from part of damage stats. Is it a real problem? Maybe do not attack a group of players with tanks there while solo? And still this doesn't affect shields, right?
Gamebreaking?

Caluurion can be hard in 1v1 scenario, especially on unaware target. But this is still once per 10 sec. And why not, i.e. Mad Tinkerer (it has AOE damage and also AOE-stun)? So Tinkerer is fine, but Caluu is gamebreaking? Hm, that strange...

I am not using any of this sets, not even have a piece of them. Just dislike that "I was killed by X, then X must be nerfed" forum meta.

looks to me, that you didnt understand anything i wrote before......
i will go through your points one by one, maybe that helps:
sloads in a 1v1 is pretty much the strongest dps set, since it has practically no cooldown and does more damage than master dual wield bleed.

1vX is not the same as Xv1. its a matter of perspective. if i do 1vX, i am the solo guy, if i do Xv1 i am the zergling, simple difference.

"rare" and "many aspects" werent even connected and described different things. the rare was about the amount of people able to do 1vX, which are only a few. so compared to all those guild groups, ballgroups, small scalers and zerglings, they are a very small population and therefore "rare" maybe you always see them, because they exactly know where to go.
"several aspects" was connected to sets and if they are OP or not. once again a set is OP, because it works very good in a lot of situations. examples are sloads, caluurions, duroks bane and more, because they all work from 1v1 till zerging playstyle (duroks bane even would work in 1vX). Meanwhile a very famous 1vX set was 7th legion. the set still works good for that, but only for that, since requires to be constantly damaged from several sources, otherwise the effect procs very rarely. so you see, the set works in 1vX but does nothing for a zergling (because he doesnt take damage hiding in the zerg). so the usage of such a 1vX set is very limited and doesnt make you a god player just by wearing it.

based on even skilllevel it surely is natural, that several people together kill a solo player. but its also natural that an experienced solo player with lots of training and skill can beat several noobs (typical 1vX scenario). that doesnt have to do anything with sets, since the skilllevel and experience make the solo player good and not the sets.
secondary as mentioned before those solo players have well rounded builds with good sustain but some burst capability. neither duroks nor sloads are sets used for that, since they neither give burst damage nor sustain (well rounded magsorcs use mostly amberplasm, shacklebreaker, lichor wizards riposte; magplars build around shacklebreaker and desert rose when using mistform; magicka nightblades can go for similar things like sorcs, may include caluurion when they are the stealthy type; magwardens go for winterborn, shacklebreaker and necropotency; magdk rather like bloodthorn if blocking a lot, for stamina the sets are more identical: bone pirate, 7th legion, fury, etc).

then you talk something about healing and purge in a zerg, dont know to what exactly that is connected....maybe to sloads and duroks. in a group those sets are easier to deal with because of huge healing and purging (there is always a healer/purger in a zerg). but in small groups such dedicated healers/purgers arent always present. on 90% of builds purge is not a solution (especially not against duroks, because its immediately reapplied).


once more about duroks, it isnt a tank set at all. there are various "damage dealer" builds including duroks, because it is like adding 30% to your damage and this is more than every other set in the game (if you cant follow me there, read the previous post about duroks pls). every builds needs healing so this set counters them all. it was intended to be used against healbots like templars, but it rather kills of every other build, because they have even less healing. duroks is OP, because it can be sued in every pvp aspect and performs more than well from 1v1 to zerg versus zerg fights.

why caluurion is more problematic than mad tinkerer: mad tinkerers animation is big and pretty flashy, so its easy to block, dodge or even just make a step aside. it is not auto target, so the miss chance is very high. caluurion instead hits targets, when they dont dodge at the right time. additionally the animation is small and is barely visible. also in melee range it is pretty much unavoidable.

good, hope this cleared up a bit.

It's already being nerfed. Dead horse is now in everyone's tacos.
That's enough now.