Metemsycosis wrote: »Anyone who thinks purge is useless needs to l2p. You can't say, "there are so so many debuffs" and also "purge is useLESS" and make sense. To anyone.
Metemsycosis wrote: »Oh stop. Who the heck gets 6 debuffs instantly and then is like OmG sloads. 1vxers, maybe. Hey let's balance around the literal 1%. Purge is great now and it's always been good. Defile hasnt been this strong but it's always existed. Dots, strong dots have always existed. There have always been reasons to have purge slotted even if it wasn't necessary. Still not necessary but still desirable, imo.
Insofar as sloads being on you right away, don't you LoS 1vxer? Defile? Are you choosing your shots or just blindly flailing away?
TheTruestKing wrote: »The lack of mentioning how broke this combo is against medium armor users baffles me. And you reverb=duroks ppl are hilarious. Reverb can be blocked in which defile IS NOT applied. Duroks u can't stop, there is no cleansing it. It's a ONE second CD. A dk armor buff procs duroks. I'm not a dk. But man are they in the gutter now. And those who don't know the math it's dmg + no healing =death. So the duroks is a defensive set arguement is laughable to say the least.
And people who mention burning them haven't done their research. Blob eso mag warden has 40k health and will kill any build this game. PERIOD. YOU ARE NOT BURNING A 40K HEALTH MAJOR PROTECTION MINOR PROTECTION FULL HEAVY MAGDEN. I wore duroks back when reactive trollking transmitation was healing meta and trollking wasn't effected by defile. When crit dmg meant crit healing . When earthgore ball groups cleansed all of cyrodiil. The times have changed Duroks needs changed.
Zaan is honestly meh. The fact u can break tether nullifing the proc is an efficient counter. Sloads uptime needs cut in half or only effects those with damage shields like shieldbreaker. Or make the ticks dodgeable. There is absolutely no reason this set needs to effect medium armor users.
Balance is detrimental to PvP. If you stow your bias and look at the numbers the combination of sets the op mentioned durok sload zaan/skoria is for certain uncounterable. It's all rocks. No more paper. No more scissors. In what world is this balance?
Issues with duroks is just a L2P problem, i wear it aswell, on all builds rn. Because to let ppl know, leave me alone or you get the instagib
Metemsycosis wrote: »Mess of a post? Lol. Slow your insults incel. I agree with u 100 purge isn't viable on stamina but besides that you've only stated facts about mechanics that are now common knowledge. Amazing mind at work.
If you see an average of 6 debuffs maybe you aren't using purge efficiently to rid of the heavy hitters. L2p. I've played 100s of BGs since sloads released and died to sloads two or three times max. If you run Purge for sloads you're in error. If you run Purge because Poison injection might mean +x damage against you, while affected or because curse is unavoidable or because mark brings you below the resistance cap or whatever you likely know why purge was made available to all pvpers in the first place.
Metemsycosis wrote: »Mess of a post? Lol. Slow your insults incel. I agree with u 100 purge isn't viable on stamina but besides that you've only stated facts about mechanics that are now common knowledge. Amazing mind at work.
If you see an average of 6 debuffs maybe you aren't using purge efficiently to rid of the heavy hitters. L2p. I've played 100s of BGs since sloads released and died to sloads two or three times max. If you run Purge for sloads you're in error. If you run Purge because Poison injection might mean +x damage against you, while affected or because curse is unavoidable or because mark brings you below the resistance cap or whatever you likely know why purge was made available to all pvpers in the first place.
IZZEFlameLash wrote: »Metemsycosis wrote: »Mess of a post? Lol. Slow your insults incel. I agree with u 100 purge isn't viable on stamina but besides that you've only stated facts about mechanics that are now common knowledge. Amazing mind at work.
If you see an average of 6 debuffs maybe you aren't using purge efficiently to rid of the heavy hitters. L2p. I've played 100s of BGs since sloads released and died to sloads two or three times max. If you run Purge for sloads you're in error. If you run Purge because Poison injection might mean +x damage against you, while affected or because curse is unavoidable or because mark brings you below the resistance cap or whatever you likely know why purge was made available to all pvpers in the first place.
Not exactly a l2p on my part if the game's meta is all about 0 cd strong debuffs so that skill floor is raised too much. Try again.
Why not have a set that removes all the armour from your tank and turns your shield into paper?
I am pretty sure, that any arguments from "1vsX"'ers are invalid.
If you are 1vsXer, that means you are already has cheesy build and just trying to nerf the only thing, that can counterplays you.
This is ridiculous.
I am pretty sure, that any arguments from "1vsX"'ers are invalid.
If you are 1vsXer, that means you are already has cheesy build and just trying to nerf the only thing, that can counterplays you.
This is ridiculous.
normally 1vX builds are well rounded and much less cheesy than what you think. if you think about the cheesiests sets like zaan, caluurion, sloads, etc, then you will see that they arent used by 1vX builds mostly.
I am pretty sure, that any arguments from "1vsX"'ers are invalid.
If you are 1vsXer, that means you are already has cheesy build and just trying to nerf the only thing, that can counterplays you.
This is ridiculous.
normally 1vX builds are well rounded and much less cheesy than what you think. if you think about the cheesiests sets like zaan, caluurion, sloads, etc, then you will see that they arent used by 1vX builds mostly.
Does guy, weared in zaan, caluurion and sload, able to be successful in 1vsX scenario?
People just don’t like dying. Put some points into healing received in the CP tree and learn to out heal the Sload dot. EASY.
Wait, what? You want maximum damage, no defensive rotation, and an army of zerglings to back you up if you start losing? No thanks.
Sloads and Duroks is fine.
You give up sustain sets and damage sets with Duroks and Sload. And by the way, Sloads only applies to one person at a time. Not good for bombing. And Duroks, you have to get hit, so it’s not good for bombing either, it adds nothing to damage. You ever fight a Templar that heals to full with one breath of life from like 10% hp? I do all the time even with major defile on them. And don’t forget, defile is useless against shield stackers like mag sorcs, mag nbs, mag wardens. So almost 1/4 of the enemies in the battle field Duroks is useless against them.
I am pretty sure, that any arguments from "1vsX"'ers are invalid.
If you are 1vsXer, that means you are already has cheesy build and just trying to nerf the only thing, that can counterplays you.
This is ridiculous.
normally 1vX builds are well rounded and much less cheesy than what you think. if you think about the cheesiests sets like zaan, caluurion, sloads, etc, then you will see that they arent used by 1vX builds mostly.
Does guy, weared in zaan, caluurion and sload, able to be successful in 1vsX scenario?
caluurion is not a 1vX set, neither is zaan nor sloads, since all things are single target damage procs. as a 1vXer you need some decent aoe pressure, because you only get a chance to kill someone, when you get a small time window, where you can continue attacking (meaning a big aoe hit for example, so that enemies shortly have to recover or at least break free). you also cant decide on who your sloads proc when you have a little aoe damage in your build, meaning it mostly will proc on an enemy you are not focussing on ->wasted proc.
so what i stated above means, that you surely can do 1vX with those sets, but there are far better suited sets for doing so and they mostly arent cheesy at all.
I am pretty sure, that any arguments from "1vsX"'ers are invalid.
If you are 1vsXer, that means you are already has cheesy build and just trying to nerf the only thing, that can counterplays you.
This is ridiculous.
normally 1vX builds are well rounded and much less cheesy than what you think. if you think about the cheesiests sets like zaan, caluurion, sloads, etc, then you will see that they arent used by 1vX builds mostly.
Does guy, weared in zaan, caluurion and sload, able to be successful in 1vsX scenario?
caluurion is not a 1vX set, neither is zaan nor sloads, since all things are single target damage procs. as a 1vXer you need some decent aoe pressure, because you only get a chance to kill someone, when you get a small time window, where you can continue attacking (meaning a big aoe hit for example, so that enemies shortly have to recover or at least break free). you also cant decide on who your sloads proc when you have a little aoe damage in your build, meaning it mostly will proc on an enemy you are not focussing on ->wasted proc.
so what i stated above means, that you surely can do 1vX with those sets, but there are far better suited sets for doing so and they mostly arent cheesy at all.
That's it, mate and this easely brings us to the conclusion, that this sets aren's so OP as whiners are claiming.
So, why even bother if several guys are able to kill ONE enemy? Aren't it mentioned naturally, huh?
This sets are NOT OP in this cases: 1vs1, small group vs small group, zerg vs zerg. Am I right?
So, what is "broken" there again?
I'd rather would take a look on sets, that make one to 1vsX - that's a real broken stuff.
L2P
Not exactly a constructive answer, and is the type of response that puts the pvp side of eso in a bad light, similar to the more elitist part of pve where they also say l2p without saying how to improve.dwemer_paleologist wrote: »use purge, it will remove the dot from sloads.
Its not really possible to purge on a stam sorc with a virtually non existant mag pool and cast it every two seconds when the entire enemy team is using sloads and constantly stack it on me.Waffennacht wrote: »While durok's is an obvious way to achieve defile, it's far from alone, and in my opinion, other sets can perform better
Edit: not at getting defile; better stats with access to defile
by far the best answer, but those other sets that have access to defile have a cooldown and while duroks have *** stats, players in battlegrounds have 3 other people to support them and take advantage of their perma defile buddies set bonus
I'd rather would take a look on sets, that make one to 1vsX - that's a real broken stuff.
Edit: to those of you saying to purge it, let me just waste the virtually nonexistent pool of magic casting it on a stam class and get the same debuff 2 seconds later.
why are these two sets implemented the way they are? Duroks bane has virtually no cooldown and defile is strong and this having no cooldown just makes healing that much tougher, and you combine that with sloads and you have a dot on you that you can only really heal through to counter and duroks bane makes it that much more frustrating to counter sloads… With the amount of cheese going around I am surprised zos hasn't come out and created a ingame pizza recipe that would make sheogorath proud
I am pretty sure, that any arguments from "1vsX"'ers are invalid.
If you are 1vsXer, that means you are already has cheesy build and just trying to nerf the only thing, that can counterplays you.
This is ridiculous.
normally 1vX builds are well rounded and much less cheesy than what you think. if you think about the cheesiests sets like zaan, caluurion, sloads, etc, then you will see that they arent used by 1vX builds mostly.
Does guy, weared in zaan, caluurion and sload, able to be successful in 1vsX scenario?
caluurion is not a 1vX set, neither is zaan nor sloads, since all things are single target damage procs. as a 1vXer you need some decent aoe pressure, because you only get a chance to kill someone, when you get a small time window, where you can continue attacking (meaning a big aoe hit for example, so that enemies shortly have to recover or at least break free). you also cant decide on who your sloads proc when you have a little aoe damage in your build, meaning it mostly will proc on an enemy you are not focussing on ->wasted proc.
so what i stated above means, that you surely can do 1vX with those sets, but there are far better suited sets for doing so and they mostly arent cheesy at all.
That's it, mate and this easely brings us to the conclusion, that this sets aren's so OP as whiners are claiming.
So, why even bother if several guys are able to kill ONE enemy? Aren't it mentioned naturally, huh?
This sets are NOT OP in this cases: 1vs1, small group vs small group, zerg vs zerg. Am I right?
So, what is "broken" there again?
I'd rather would take a look on sets, that make one to 1vsX - that's a real broken stuff.
lol the one thing has nothing to do with the other.
a set is overperforming, when it performs too well in several aspects or when it performs more than everything else in a certain situation. those cheesy sets dont work on a 1vX build, but thats a playstyle very rarely in the game, meanwhile sloads perform too good in every other situations (1v1, Xv1, zerging, sieging, bgs, small group). duroks may not work on gankers and bombers, but in every other pvp playstyle and content it performs far too well. caluurion is strong for ganking, Xv1, zerging, bgs and small group.
Thats why those sets are too strong, because they work too good in too many aspects of the game, meanwhile you think sets are OP because they are used in 1vX....
1vX mostly is based on the skilllevel of the one. sets dont allow 1vXing and therefore its only fair, when skilled player are able to kill several noobs.
if you want to nerf sets used on 1vX builds, then start nerfing pretty normal sets like bone pirate, shacklebreaker, wizards riposte, pirate skeleton, desert rose or fury.
I love how everyone says:
"Just purge it" <- great in big battles when you have the proc applied to you 6 times over
"Stop 1vXing" <- do you even PvP? It's a zergV1 game at this point.
"It's damage is just a tickle, you can outheal it" <- again point 1. 10 stacks of sload's is one shot death.
"There are better sets" <- yet I see sload's on every death recap?
"Finally something to kill you shield stackers and cloak abusers" <- yes, a set that kills the only line of defence for mag sorcs and mag blades. Why not have a set that removes all the armour from your tank and turns your shield into paper?