Bye Bye Stamina DDs

Blobsky · June 2018

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Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Welcome Elder Staves online.

I will never get why they keep nerfing stamina and buffing magicka, the new 2 set piece stave thing is a massive buff to Magika characters they can now use 2 full sets and a monster set.

What do stamina get? A nerf to penetration by killing NMG and SF for no reason at all. Nerfing blade cloak for some reason and the new trials heavily favor ranged dps.

Apparently Relequen set is the only saving grace for Stamina DDs now and you actually need to defeat Vet Cloudrest to get the perfect version quite a few times and you can't even be allowed in groups cause you will suck hard there

Already Magika did more dps than stamina, but lets say stamina had higher numbers are one point ,so what if stamina do more damage? they do their damage while directly on the boss a large part of the fights in trials they need to move away and their dps drop massively. Apparently ZOS compares only damage numbers on stationary targets.

Now imagine if you are a Stamplar or Stamden now the 2 already worst dps in the game I feel sorry for the poor souls who leveled and grinded skill trees and skyshards and all that with them. I guess they can still do the non dlc dungeons?

best play another game for a while till ZOS comes back to their senses

In pvp stamina is king. Gotta be weak in some way

So 8 mag dd is balance?

I mean 90% of PvP is stamina (most the rest are magsorc) so it might as well be the other way for PvE

DenMoria · June 2018

Probably because it takes the brains of a rock to do melee while it takes finesse to use magicka.

DanteYoda wrote: »

Obviously Zos has some fetish with magic users.. Even their trailers have the mages as super overpowered gods compared to melee..

No idea why Zos cannot just balance the physical to the magicka users but they don't seem to want to.

At least look on the bright side wardens are weak at both..

DuskMarine · June 2018

DenMoria wrote: »

Probably because it takes the brains of a rock to do melee while it takes finesse to use magicka.
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DanteYoda wrote: »

Obviously Zos has some fetish with magic users.. Even their trailers have the mages as super overpowered gods compared to melee..

No idea why Zos cannot just balance the physical to the magicka users but they don't seem to want to.

At least look on the bright side wardens are weak at both..

magickas alot easier to use over stamina. magicka doesnt have to move due to wards stamina doesnt get that luxury. so in terms of which is harders magicka has it easy stamina has to take some skill cause you have to stay out of red as stamina cause you cant just throw on another healthbar.

Azyle1 · June 2018

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JobooAGS wrote: »

Micah_Bayer wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Welcome Elder Staves online.

I will never get why they keep nerfing stamina and buffing magicka, the new 2 set piece stave thing is a massive buff to Magika characters they can now use 2 full sets and a monster set.

What do stamina get? A nerf to penetration by killing NMG and SF for no reason at all. Nerfing blade cloak for some reason and the new trials heavily favor ranged dps.

Apparently Relequen set is the only saving grace for Stamina DDs now and you actually need to defeat Vet Cloudrest to get the perfect version quite a few times and you can't even be allowed in groups cause you will suck hard there

Already Magika did more dps than stamina, but lets say stamina had higher numbers are one point ,so what if stamina do more damage? they do their damage while directly on the boss a large part of the fights in trials they need to move away and their dps drop massively. Apparently ZOS compares only damage numbers on stationary targets.

Now imagine if you are a Stamplar or Stamden now the 2 already worst dps in the game I feel sorry for the poor souls who leveled and grinded skill trees and skyshards and all that with them. I guess they can still do the non dlc dungeons?

best play another game for a while till ZOS comes back to their senses

In pvp stamina is king. Gotta be weak in some way

So 8 mag dd is balance?

I mean 90% of PvP is stamina (most the rest are magsorc) so it might as well be the other way for PvE

Do you understand how dumb this sounds?

Micah_Bayer · June 2018

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DenMoria wrote: »

Probably because it takes the brains of a rock to do melee while it takes finesse to use magicka.

DanteYoda wrote: »

Obviously Zos has some fetish with magic users.. Even their trailers have the mages as super overpowered gods compared to melee..

No idea why Zos cannot just balance the physical to the magicka users but they don't seem to want to.

At least look on the bright side wardens are weak at both..

magickas alot easier to use over stamina. magicka doesnt have to move due to wards stamina doesnt get that luxury. so in terms of which is harders magicka has it easy stamina has to take some skill cause you have to stay out of red as stamina cause you cant just throw on another healthbar.

Bone shield

DenMoria · June 2018

I'm just teasing. I very much enjoy my stamblade and my stamplar, although I still haven't figured out a stammage.

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DenMoria wrote: »

Probably because it takes the brains of a rock to do melee while it takes finesse to use magicka.

DanteYoda wrote: »

Obviously Zos has some fetish with magic users.. Even their trailers have the mages as super overpowered gods compared to melee..

No idea why Zos cannot just balance the physical to the magicka users but they don't seem to want to.

At least look on the bright side wardens are weak at both..

magickas alot easier to use over stamina. magicka doesnt have to move due to wards stamina doesnt get that luxury. so in terms of which is harders magicka has it easy stamina has to take some skill cause you have to stay out of red as stamina cause you cant just throw on another healthbar.

DuskMarine · June 2018

Micah_Bayer wrote: »

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DuskMarine wrote: »

DenMoria wrote: »

Probably because it takes the brains of a rock to do melee while it takes finesse to use magicka.

DanteYoda wrote: »

Obviously Zos has some fetish with magic users.. Even their trailers have the mages as super overpowered gods compared to melee..

No idea why Zos cannot just balance the physical to the magicka users but they don't seem to want to.

At least look on the bright side wardens are weak at both..

magickas alot easier to use over stamina. magicka doesnt have to move due to wards stamina doesnt get that luxury. so in terms of which is harders magicka has it easy stamina has to take some skill cause you have to stay out of red as stamina cause you cant just throw on another healthbar.

Bone shield

bone shields not even a decent shield. compared to magicka able to throw on a 20k-30k shield on demand which puts them into tanking territory without having to sacrifice damage due to passives.

idk · June 2018

DuskMarine wrote: »

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Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Welcome Elder Staves online.

I will never get why they keep nerfing stamina and buffing magicka, the new 2 set piece stave thing is a massive buff to Magika characters they can now use 2 full sets and a monster set.

What do stamina get? A nerf to penetration by killing NMG and SF for no reason at all. Nerfing blade cloak for some reason and the new trials heavily favor ranged dps.

Apparently Relequen set is the only saving grace for Stamina DDs now and you actually need to defeat Vet Cloudrest to get the perfect version quite a few times and you can't even be allowed in groups cause you will suck hard there

Already Magika did more dps than stamina, but lets say stamina had higher numbers are one point ,so what if stamina do more damage? they do their damage while directly on the boss a large part of the fights in trials they need to move away and their dps drop massively. Apparently ZOS compares only damage numbers on stationary targets.

Now imagine if you are a Stamplar or Stamden now the 2 already worst dps in the game I feel sorry for the poor souls who leveled and grinded skill trees and skyshards and all that with them. I guess they can still do the non dlc dungeons?

best play another game for a while till ZOS comes back to their senses

my raiding team still has stam dpses i think you need to find some better stam dpses to roll with cause they can reach very high damage along with the mage classes too.

There is a reason the OP has not come back into this thread. He realized he over reacted from the start.

DuskMarine · June 2018

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DuskMarine wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Welcome Elder Staves online.

I will never get why they keep nerfing stamina and buffing magicka, the new 2 set piece stave thing is a massive buff to Magika characters they can now use 2 full sets and a monster set.

What do stamina get? A nerf to penetration by killing NMG and SF for no reason at all. Nerfing blade cloak for some reason and the new trials heavily favor ranged dps.

Apparently Relequen set is the only saving grace for Stamina DDs now and you actually need to defeat Vet Cloudrest to get the perfect version quite a few times and you can't even be allowed in groups cause you will suck hard there

Already Magika did more dps than stamina, but lets say stamina had higher numbers are one point ,so what if stamina do more damage? they do their damage while directly on the boss a large part of the fights in trials they need to move away and their dps drop massively. Apparently ZOS compares only damage numbers on stationary targets.

Now imagine if you are a Stamplar or Stamden now the 2 already worst dps in the game I feel sorry for the poor souls who leveled and grinded skill trees and skyshards and all that with them. I guess they can still do the non dlc dungeons?

best play another game for a while till ZOS comes back to their senses

my raiding team still has stam dpses i think you need to find some better stam dpses to roll with cause they can reach very high damage along with the mage classes too.

There is a reason the OP has not come back into this thread. He realized he over reacted from the start.

true lol

Blobsky · June 2018

Azyle1 wrote: »

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Blobsky wrote: »

JobooAGS wrote: »

Micah_Bayer wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Welcome Elder Staves online.

I will never get why they keep nerfing stamina and buffing magicka, the new 2 set piece stave thing is a massive buff to Magika characters they can now use 2 full sets and a monster set.

What do stamina get? A nerf to penetration by killing NMG and SF for no reason at all. Nerfing blade cloak for some reason and the new trials heavily favor ranged dps.

Apparently Relequen set is the only saving grace for Stamina DDs now and you actually need to defeat Vet Cloudrest to get the perfect version quite a few times and you can't even be allowed in groups cause you will suck hard there

Already Magika did more dps than stamina, but lets say stamina had higher numbers are one point ,so what if stamina do more damage? they do their damage while directly on the boss a large part of the fights in trials they need to move away and their dps drop massively. Apparently ZOS compares only damage numbers on stationary targets.

Now imagine if you are a Stamplar or Stamden now the 2 already worst dps in the game I feel sorry for the poor souls who leveled and grinded skill trees and skyshards and all that with them. I guess they can still do the non dlc dungeons?

best play another game for a while till ZOS comes back to their senses

In pvp stamina is king. Gotta be weak in some way

So 8 mag dd is balance?

I mean 90% of PvP is stamina (most the rest are magsorc) so it might as well be the other way for PvE

Do you understand how dumb this sounds?

Do you understand it is sarcasm. Im saying the balance us garbage everywhere

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO · June 2018

Micah_Bayer wrote: »

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DuskMarine wrote: »

DenMoria wrote: »

Probably because it takes the brains of a rock to do melee while it takes finesse to use magicka.

DanteYoda wrote: »

Obviously Zos has some fetish with magic users.. Even their trailers have the mages as super overpowered gods compared to melee..

No idea why Zos cannot just balance the physical to the magicka users but they don't seem to want to.

At least look on the bright side wardens are weak at both..

magickas alot easier to use over stamina. magicka doesnt have to move due to wards stamina doesnt get that luxury. so in terms of which is harders magicka has it easy stamina has to take some skill cause you have to stay out of red as stamina cause you cant just throw on another healthbar.

Bone shield

Hahahahaha... No Bone Shield is NOT a stamina shield it’s a health shield. The more health you have, the bigger the shield. Magic shields scale with max magic or max magic and spell damage.

Shield are the only good defenses now have bent for a long time. Only two types of damage go through shields bleed and oblivion. Lots of attacks go though roll dodge and the cost stacks. AoE and ground attacks go through block, block also stops your stamina regen.

JobooAGS · June 2018

Blobsky wrote: »

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JobooAGS wrote: »

Micah_Bayer wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Welcome Elder Staves online.

I will never get why they keep nerfing stamina and buffing magicka, the new 2 set piece stave thing is a massive buff to Magika characters they can now use 2 full sets and a monster set.

What do stamina get? A nerf to penetration by killing NMG and SF for no reason at all. Nerfing blade cloak for some reason and the new trials heavily favor ranged dps.

Apparently Relequen set is the only saving grace for Stamina DDs now and you actually need to defeat Vet Cloudrest to get the perfect version quite a few times and you can't even be allowed in groups cause you will suck hard there

Already Magika did more dps than stamina, but lets say stamina had higher numbers are one point ,so what if stamina do more damage? they do their damage while directly on the boss a large part of the fights in trials they need to move away and their dps drop massively. Apparently ZOS compares only damage numbers on stationary targets.

Now imagine if you are a Stamplar or Stamden now the 2 already worst dps in the game I feel sorry for the poor souls who leveled and grinded skill trees and skyshards and all that with them. I guess they can still do the non dlc dungeons?

best play another game for a while till ZOS comes back to their senses

In pvp stamina is king. Gotta be weak in some way

So 8 mag dd is balance?

I mean 90% of PvP is stamina (most the rest are magsorc) so it might as well be the other way for PvE

And even so, it is not balance if pvp has overwhelmly majority x and pve has overwhelmly majortiy y

Bladerunner1 · June 2018

Maelstrom Bow > Maelstrom Staff
Relequen > Siroria
Crafted poisons > nothing
Weapon Crit and Power Potion > Spell Power Potion

Take away maelstrom weapons, trial sets and costly alchemy ingredients and is PVE still balanced? People new to the game and filthy casuals may as well go with magicka.

griffkhalifa · June 2018

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DanteYoda wrote: »

Obviously Zos has some fetish with magic users.. Even their trailers have the mages as super overpowered gods compared to melee..

No idea why Zos cannot just balance the physical to the magicka users but they don't seem to want to.

At least look on the bright side wardens are weak at both..

Because magic is by its very nature, stronger and more godlike than some metal axe ?
It makes no sense at all that melee's are so strong in most games, yet they are.

Stamina dominates pvp and also profits from the 2handed changes. And not much changes in pve either. There are new strong stamina dps sets, while there aren't really any appealing magicka damage sets in the new trial (for my taste anyway)
This game is pretty hostile to magic actually.

Dude it's a video game. It was not intended for magicka to be stronger than stamina builds. They didn't create a game in which we were to imagine that magic was somehow real and dominated everything. You're supposed to suspend your disbelief and the two are supposed to be equal, in theory.

ResTandRespeC · June 2018

Bladerunner1 wrote: »

Maelstrom Bow > Maelstrom Staff
Relequen > Siroria
Crafted poisons > nothing
Weapon Crit and Power Potion > Spell Power Potion

Take away maelstrom weapons, trial sets and costly alchemy ingredients and is PVE still balanced? People new to the game and filthy casuals may as well go with magicka.

What are talking about?? None of that made much sense. Both are equal in "cost". Spell power pots cost lile 2x more then weapon power pots, which makes up for the fact that you also should run double health damage posions as stam. That being said i do usually recommend mag for new players (usually sorc) because they are easier to play, though have lower damage then stam. Nightblades are usually seen as the outlier in this situation, but stamblades are still doing more damage then magblades. What really matters is that trial mechanics are pushing away stam classes because of mechanics.

Aliyavana · June 2018

DenMoria wrote: »

Probably because it takes the brains of a rock to do melee while it takes finesse to use magicka.
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DanteYoda wrote: »

Obviously Zos has some fetish with magic users.. Even their trailers have the mages as super overpowered gods compared to melee..

No idea why Zos cannot just balance the physical to the magicka users but they don't seem to want to.

At least look on the bright side wardens are weak at both..

Stamina requires brains to survive in while mag just needs to pop wards

Danksta · June 2018

Aliyavana wrote: »

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DenMoria wrote: »

Probably because it takes the brains of a rock to do melee while it takes finesse to use magicka.

DanteYoda wrote: »

Obviously Zos has some fetish with magic users.. Even their trailers have the mages as super overpowered gods compared to melee..

No idea why Zos cannot just balance the physical to the magicka users but they don't seem to want to.

At least look on the bright side wardens are weak at both..

Stamina requires brains to survive in while mag just needs to pop wards

I think it's easier to survive on stam. Your defense (deadly cloak) is in your rotation while mag needs to reactively use their defense (shield).

JobooAGS · June 2018

Danksta wrote: »

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Aliyavana wrote: »

DenMoria wrote: »

Probably because it takes the brains of a rock to do melee while it takes finesse to use magicka.

DanteYoda wrote: »

Obviously Zos has some fetish with magic users.. Even their trailers have the mages as super overpowered gods compared to melee..

No idea why Zos cannot just balance the physical to the magicka users but they don't seem to want to.

At least look on the bright side wardens are weak at both..

Stamina requires brains to survive in while mag just needs to pop wards

I think it's easier to survive on stam. Your defense (deadly cloak) is in your rotation while mag needs to reactively use their defense (shield).

Many stam dps builds are dropping blade cloak due to advancing yokeda and back bar uptime

BalticBlues · June 2018

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

2 set piece stave thing is a massive buff to Magika characters they can now use 2 full sets and a monster set.

And Stamina characters now have a 2 set piece two-hander or bow and can also now use 2 full sets and a monster set.

All weapons now will give you a 2-piece-set.
No matter if one-handed or two-handed, no matter if magicka or stamina.
So where is the problem???

Asardes · June 2018

JobooAGS wrote: »

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Danksta wrote: »

Aliyavana wrote: »

DenMoria wrote: »

Probably because it takes the brains of a rock to do melee while it takes finesse to use magicka.

DanteYoda wrote: »

Obviously Zos has some fetish with magic users.. Even their trailers have the mages as super overpowered gods compared to melee..

No idea why Zos cannot just balance the physical to the magicka users but they don't seem to want to.

At least look on the bright side wardens are weak at both..

Stamina requires brains to survive in while mag just needs to pop wards

I think it's easier to survive on stam. Your defense (deadly cloak) is in your rotation while mag needs to reactively use their defense (shield).

Many stam dps builds are dropping blade cloak due to advancing yokeda and back bar uptime

Unfortunately many of them suck at mechanics, so they'll get rekt hard w/o that, especially some people have a real death wish running 11K HP so they can cheese the hell of that dummy

alainjbrennanb16_ESO · June 2018

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Welcome Elder Staves online.

I will never get why they keep nerfing stamina and buffing magicka, the new 2 set piece stave thing is a massive buff to Magika characters they can now use 2 full sets and a monster set.

What do stamina get? A nerf to penetration by killing NMG and SF for no reason at all. Nerfing blade cloak for some reason and the new trials heavily favor ranged dps.

Apparently Relequen set is the only saving grace for Stamina DDs now and you actually need to defeat Vet Cloudrest to get the perfect version quite a few times and you can't even be allowed in groups cause you will suck hard there

Already Magika did more dps than stamina, but lets say stamina had higher numbers are one point ,so what if stamina do more damage? they do their damage while directly on the boss a large part of the fights in trials they need to move away and their dps drop massively. Apparently ZOS compares only damage numbers on stationary targets.

Now imagine if you are a Stamplar or Stamden now the 2 already worst dps in the game I feel sorry for the poor souls who leveled and grinded skill trees and skyshards and all that with them. I guess they can still do the non dlc dungeons?

best play another game for a while till ZOS comes back to their senses

just dont go meta think outside the box play around with sets ie: my mg fire mage dk had always hit high dps even when others said it was hard, the stationary target thing i agree with, pounding the test dummy does not a true reflection of ur dps in dungeons, trails etc as ur moving, unless u stand in stupid ;p

Facefister · June 2018

BalticBlues wrote: »

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Bigevilpeter wrote: »

2 set piece stave thing is a massive buff to Magika characters they can now use 2 full sets and a monster set.

And Stamina characters now have a 2 set piece two-hander and can also now use 2 full sets and a monster set.

All weapons now will give you a 2-piece-set, no matter if one-handed or two-handed.
So where is the problem?

Because DW+Bow is still king. The problem with StamDD is that it's too stationary and too dependant on vMA bow + Caltrops to be effective. Boss moves somewhere else? Kiss a good-bye to atleast 7k dps. StamDD needs an equivalent option for the Bow-Backbar.

BalticBlues · June 2018

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Because DW+Bow is still king.

Certainly not in PvP. The uppercut by a two-hander still rules in meele combat.
And this will now also allow three sets.

In PvP, a bow still is the best range weapon.
In PvP, a two handed sword/axe is the best meele weapon.
No magicka char is able to fight with such range and such meele force.

In Battlefields, bows already are overpowered.
Combined with a two handed sword/axe, these Stam guys now rule the field.

Facefister · June 2018

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Facefister wrote: »

Because DW+Bow is still king.

Certainly not in PvP. The uppercut by a two-hander still rules in meele combat.
And this will now also allow three sets.

In PvP, a bow still is the best range weapon.
In PvP, a two handed sword/axe is the best meele weapon.
No magicka char is able to fight with such range and such meele force.

Especially in Battlefields, bows already are overpowered.
Combined with a two handed sword/axe, these Stam guys now rule the field.

I am talking about PvE.

DenMoria · June 2018

It's okay. The rest of us knew that. It looks like there are a bunch of folks that have no clue that this game is about more than ganking, griefing and murdering other players. Kind of like Fallout 76 actually.

They're not the brightest bulbs in the bunch.

(and yes, I'm trying to get them to murder me... I tired... so tired...)

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BalticBlues wrote: »

Facefister wrote: »

Because DW+Bow is still king.

Certainly not in PvP. The uppercut by a two-hander still rules in meele combat.
And this will now also allow three sets.

In PvP, a bow still is the best range weapon.
In PvP, a two handed sword/axe is the best meele weapon.
No magicka char is able to fight with such range and such meele force.

Especially in Battlefields, bows already are overpowered.
Combined with a two handed sword/axe, these Stam guys now rule the field.

I am talking about PvE.

BalticBlues · June 2018

Facefister wrote: »

I am talking about PvE.

So you want the Stam guys not only to rule in PvP but in PvE as well?

Facefister · June 2018

BalticBlues wrote: »

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Facefister wrote: »

I am talking about PvE.

So you want the Stam guys not only to rule in PvP but in PvE as well?

I've never implied that, I just pointed out that StamDDs have severe issues with mobile fights.

I couldn't care less about PvP.

DenMoria · June 2018

Well D'uh...

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I am talking about PvE.

So you want the Stam guys not only to rule in PvP but in PvE as well?

DenMoria · June 2018

With a handle like that, I find that hard to believe.

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BalticBlues wrote: »

Facefister wrote: »

I am talking about PvE.

So you want the Stam guys not only to rule in PvP but in PvE as well?

I've never implied that, I just pointed out that StamDDs have severe issues with mobile fights.

I couldn't care less about PvP.

JobooAGS · June 2018

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I am talking about PvE.

So you want the Stam guys not only to rule in PvP but in PvE as well?

This kind of mentality is the reason why balance won't be achieved. If mag = pve and stam = pvp, then for each respective portion of the game, a huge portion of the player base is alienated and therefore no bueno. Not everyone wants to wear a dress and wave a stick in trials and if your stam domination argument is true, not everyone wants to wear plate and swing an axe or 2 around