Bye Bye Stamina DDs

Bigevilpeter

Welcome Elder Staves online.

I will never get why they keep nerfing stamina and buffing magicka, the new 2 set piece stave thing is a massive buff to Magika characters they can now use 2 full sets and a monster set.

What do stamina get? A nerf to penetration by killing NMG and SF for no reason at all. Nerfing blade cloak for some reason and the new trials heavily favor ranged dps.

Apparently Relequen set is the only saving grace for Stamina DDs now and you actually need to defeat Vet Cloudrest to get the perfect version quite a few times and you can't even be allowed in groups cause you will suck hard there

Already Magika did more dps than stamina, but lets say stamina had higher numbers are one point ,so what if stamina do more damage? they do their damage while directly on the boss a large part of the fights in trials they need to move away and their dps drop massively. Apparently ZOS compares only damage numbers on stationary targets.


Now imagine if you are a Stamplar or Stamden now the 2 already worst dps in the game I feel sorry for the poor souls who leveled and grinded skill trees and skyshards and all that with them. I guess they can still do the non dlc dungeons?

best play another game for a while till ZOS comes back to their senses

Turelus

So you're confirming stamina is dead and no one will be playing it in Summerset?

Nox_Noir

We've been there before, several times. It will come back and then go away again, such is the cycle of nerf.

Panomania

Lets just go back in time and read the forums when Morrowind released. Compare, contrast, get back to me.

Aebaradath

Here I am... still playing a stam DD.

Bigevilpeter

Turelus wrote: »

So you're confirming stamina is dead and no one will be playing it in Summerset?

Just putting it out there again so that ZOS may take notice and surprise us in the new patch notes with something or even pay attention the next patch in 3 months

Vapirko

Don’t worry the stam users will fill the forums with nerf posts this year and next major patch will see all mag nerfs cause ZOS love the nerf hammer even though we’ve politely asked them to use the nerf chisel.

Chaos2088

Waaaa

DanteYoda

Obviously Zos has some fetish with magic users.. Even their trailers have the mages as super overpowered gods compared to melee..

No idea why Zos cannot just balance the physical to the magicka users but they don't seem to want to.

At least look on the bright side wardens are weak at both..

AcadianPaladin

Actually my bow/bow stamsorc is looking forward to this change more than my staff/staff healplar and magsorc are.

Tryxus

DanteYoda wrote: »

At least look on the bright side wardens are weak at both..

You call that "bright"?

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Tasear

Wasn't in mostly stamina at the very top end?

Vasoka

DanteYoda wrote: »

Obviously Zos has some fetish with magic users.. Even their trailers have the mages as super overpowered gods compared to melee..

No idea why Zos cannot just balance the physical to the magicka users but they don't seem to want to.

At least look on the bright side wardens are weak at both..

Is it perhaps because lorewise a mage will always be more powerful than a random warrior with a sword, given the fact that magic is... hmmm, magic? Just a wild thought.

bottleofsyrup

Refer to OP's avatar.

Yzalirk

Does ZOS not acknowledge the overwhelming majority of players secluding themselves to using Magicka is a problem?

JobooAGS

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DanteYoda wrote: »

Obviously Zos has some fetish with magic users.. Even their trailers have the mages as super overpowered gods compared to melee..

No idea why Zos cannot just balance the physical to the magicka users but they don't seem to want to.

At least look on the bright side wardens are weak at both..

Is it perhaps because lorewise a mage will always be more powerful than a random warrior with a sword, given the fact that magic is... hmmm, magic? Just a wild thought.

That kind of mentality which is why we will never achieve balance. Plus if we are going off of that, why is everyone in the sp tse games (cough cough skyrim) a stealth archer? Make bow/bow builds great again?

Nurtharikja

AcadianPaladin wrote: »

Actually my bow/bow stamsorc is looking forward to this change more than my staff/staff healplar and magsorc are.

And my bow/two-hander nightblade!

Besides, I do love getting pinned to the ground to die when playing a magicka character.

Asardes

Every time something loses 1% of effectiveness, it's "dead" although 95% of players weren't even using it to 90% effectiveness before the change. Sure, some trials are really unfriendly to some classes, but, again, most of those players wouldn't have been able to progress them anyway due to lack of skill and/or group coordination. So #gitgud

Turelus

Panomania wrote: »

Lets just go back in time and read the forums when Morrowind released. Compare, contrast, get back to me.

Yeah but Templar is 100% dead and no one plays them any more. Everyone plays the P2W Warden.

Cloudless

Yeah yeah.

DoonerSeraph

The saddest thing about this kind of apocalyptic posts of "x is dead" is how they spread the panic and become a self fulfilling prophecy. This is how you spread the "meta or bust" mindset, this is how you get stam characters and other unfavored DDs out of even casual groups. Pulling higher numbers does not translate to being easiest to play.

Do I want QoL updates to help stam and magwarden on PvE DPS? Sure. Do I exclude them myself from any trial run? Hell nope.

So many people still dont take low CP people to trials (even after Moron-wind frontloaded it a bunch), yet they wonder why people grind skyreach to 720 and arrive at endgame with 0 mechanical knowledge.

Dont take the pill that easily. Break the cycle, say "f... it" and bring stam DDs to trials, progress, wipe, learn. Reference content creator builds but know the when's and why's. Break the vicious cycle.

NupidStoob

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

I will never get why they keep nerfing stamina and buffing magicka, the new 2 set piece stave thing is a massive buff to Magika characters they can now use 2 full sets and a monster set.

2H and bows don't count as stamina weapons I guess.

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

What do stamina get? A nerf to penetration by killing NMG and SF for no reason at all.

None you can see. SF is not dead and actually allows groups to not force one of them to play stamplar. Besides that balancing doesn't work like "We need to nerf stamdd dps how can we achieve this?" and is more along the lines of "players in trials are designated to wear support sets giving them a different experience than the other players. Do we perceive this as a problem and if yes what do we do about it?" Just an example, but to say people who balance games do things without reason is just silly. Do they always make the right choices? Obviously not, but you can at least attempt to understand why a change was made and might have been even necessary.

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Already Magika did more dps than stamina, but lets say stamina had higher numbers are one point ,so what if stamina do more damage? they do their damage while directly on the boss a large part of the fights in trials they need to move away and their dps drop massively. Apparently ZOS compares only damage numbers on stationary targets.

From Morrowind til now stamina was clearly outdpsing magicka. I have no clue what you base this claim on. This is how balance works it always goes back and forth.
That new trials heavily favour ranged is indeed a problem and I hope ZoS will address that.

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Now imagine if you are a Stamplar or Stamden now the 2 already worst dps in the game I feel sorry for the poor souls who leveled and grinded skill trees and skyshards and all that with them. I guess they can still do the non dlc dungeons?

Pre Summerset:
StamPlar has incredibly high damage potential and will outdps any magicka or be on par with magNB. The problem for stamPlar is that Potl overrides so you can really only have one and that it is bugged so it doesn't explode consistently. StamDen is also stronger than magicka as long as they can use the bear.

If you can't complete DLC dungeons and blame that on class you have a way bigger problem than ZoS's balancing.

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

best play another game for a while till ZOS comes back to their senses

The balance in this game will change with each patch. New builds emerge, new ways to play are discovered. ZoS will nerf/buff things they assess as problematic and their changes might be great or terrible. That's a standard for mmos and if you can't deal with that you really should heed your own advice and play something else.

Kimba_Do

Personally, I'd love to see a game-wide supernerf. Say, on 4/1 of next year. We log in, and all weapons in the game are switched to giant nerf pool noodles, and we get to beat each other silly with them. But then, perhaps we should be careful what we wish for...

efduncanub17_ESO

hasn't stam DK be top dps for ever

Vahrokh

It's not a "stam" vs "mag" war.

It's a Magblades >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything else under the sun. Period.

Sure, except for mag sorcs (who are going to suck balls in Summerset, losing ground even to Mag Wardens!) the other magicka classes perform better. But there's still this Magblade massive, incredible, unbearable superiority that just makes playing any other class an exercise of futility.

dsalter

Kimba_Do wrote: »

Personally, I'd love to see a game-wide supernerf. Say, on 4/1 of next year. We log in, and all weapons in the game are switched to giant nerf pool noodles, and we get to beat each other silly with them. But then, perhaps we should be careful what we wish for...

that already exists.
its called whip.

Slick_007

PelinalWhitestrake wrote: »

Here I am... still playing a stam DD.

you must be playing the new race, undead.

NoTimeToWait

Tryxus wrote: »

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DanteYoda wrote: »

At least look on the bright side wardens are weak at both..

You call that "bright"?

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Yeah, it is bright when you don't have one. Because you can laugh. And laugh. And laugh some more.

Dracane

DanteYoda wrote: »

Obviously Zos has some fetish with magic users.. Even their trailers have the mages as super overpowered gods compared to melee..

No idea why Zos cannot just balance the physical to the magicka users but they don't seem to want to.

At least look on the bright side wardens are weak at both..

Because magic is by its very nature, stronger and more godlike than some metal axe ?
It makes no sense at all that melee's are so strong in most games, yet they are.

Stamina dominates pvp and also profits from the 2handed changes. And not much changes in pve either. There are new strong stamina dps sets, while there aren't really any appealing magicka damage sets in the new trial (for my taste anyway)
This game is pretty hostile to magic actually.

hedna123b14_ESO

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Welcome Elder Staves online.

I will never get why they keep nerfing stamina and buffing magicka, the new 2 set piece stave thing is a massive buff to Magika characters they can now use 2 full sets and a monster set.

What do stamina get? A nerf to penetration by killing NMG and SF for no reason at all. Nerfing blade cloak for some reason and the new trials heavily favor ranged dps.

Apparently Relequen set is the only saving grace for Stamina DDs now and you actually need to defeat Vet Cloudrest to get the perfect version quite a few times and you can't even be allowed in groups cause you will suck hard there

Already Magika did more dps than stamina, but lets say stamina had higher numbers are one point ,so what if stamina do more damage? they do their damage while directly on the boss a large part of the fights in trials they need to move away and their dps drop massively. Apparently ZOS compares only damage numbers on stationary targets.


Now imagine if you are a Stamplar or Stamden now the 2 already worst dps in the game I feel sorry for the poor souls who leveled and grinded skill trees and skyshards and all that with them. I guess they can still do the non dlc dungeons?

best play another game for a while till ZOS comes back to their senses

Did this yesterday....https://youtu.be/SfsOV4M7YsA

So what was that about stam dps?

hedna123b14_ESO

And you also said stamplar has *** dps on live...https://youtu.be/A2OaFlDs8g8