Dungeon Role Requirements

LeagueTroll · June 2018

Guppet wrote: »

I do think that if you queue for a role your not fulfilling, you should accept any kick with dignity.

If your not the best skilled or new, You should be able to queue as DPS and expect to have a tank and healer. It’s how you will learn how to actually become a good DPS.

Anyone queue jumping is screwing over people who are legitimately queuing under the correct role. If you think groups don’t need a tank, form your own group. It’s not acceptable to choose that other players don’t want to have a tank. Doesn’t matter what DPS you put out, you removed their choice, with your actions

If a dd can’t do his own part (output enough dmg), he should not expect others to do their part. Expect other players do things you are not doing yourself is nothing but entitlement.

PlagueSD · June 2018

We only need 1 dungeon role requirement...Don't' be a ***. Oh, wait, then there'd never be any groups...

Drdeath20 · June 2018

Clueless dps are the worst. I dont mind the challenge or helping others try to get through hard stuff for their 1st time but there is there is a limit.

Always seems like i end up in vet bloodroot forge, city of ash 2 or vet ruins of maz with 2 DDs that are less than 200 CPs. I only give that group until the 1st wipe before i quit. Its obvious were board set before the dungeon even began

Drdeath20 · June 2018

Bad tanks and healers suck, they lower the groups dps and constantly need to be revived but you can compensate.

Bad Damage Dealers are group killers

Jameliel · June 2018

Just face it that EOS combat/classes/roles are all convoluted, and we the players just make do with it the best we can. If running a daily normal random, who wants to sit in que for an hour to indefinitely? The entire group-finder needs to be revamped, and literally thousands of people have been telling ZO$ this since the game came out. Search through the forums, Reddit and elsewhere. Its buggy, it only has dungeons when it should include some quests, trials and DSA. This is a core feature of the game, and it it's condition speaks volumes about the entire state of the game. Subpar at best......

lucky_Sage · June 2018

almost all vet dungouns are better with 3dd and healer so why does it matter

ArchMikem · June 2018

CultOfMMO wrote: »

White wabbit wrote: »

CultOfMMO wrote: »

i've played as both tank/DD and i can say without a doubt the most cancerous *** to ever exist in this game is *** poor garbage level dps, which i will almost always GUARANTEE to get at least 1 if im queuing on my actual tank

i've had to resort to altering my tank build to be able to at least output 15k dps to get through most random dungeons in a timely manner

so if i have to resort to queuing as a tank on my 45k DDs and carry a few ppl then so be it. Most are grateful, some complain more than they should, at the end of the day everyone gets what they want one way or another

obviously i've seen my fair share of over zealous DDs that are anything but competent and really ruin everyone else's day. In that case sure, vote kick is your friend and you should use it, otherwise stop with the whole dont queue as tank BS because there are FAR FAR WORSE things in this game than a "tank dps" if they know what they're doing.

ArchMikem wrote: »

Smasherx74 wrote: »

Just get another good dps. Two good dpses pulling 30-40k can easily cut through most vet dungeons like it's butter.

Then the group wipes cause theres no one there to tank the 90k hits.

you should prob learn to block/shield/dodgeroll

Lol the above ^^^^^^ block 90k hits on A Dd

i didnt think pointing out the idiocy of saying anything in a vet dungeon can hit close to 90k would be essential in getting my point through

But then again I never did a dungeon completely naked and neither should you

Try letting a Colossus in vet fang lair smack you in the face so you can join in the idiocy.

aetherial_heavenn · June 2018

Guppet wrote: »

One thing I don’t get with those groups with no tank is, who herds? I tank, so I pull mobs in with leash, so the actual DPS can hit them all with AOE, so they go down damn quick.

With more DPS, you can put out more DPS, but if the mobs are not herded together, is it actually more effective?

Which would actually be better? A DPS that has a taunt or an actual herding tank that is set up to do AOE DPS.

I’d suspect the latter is much better.

I’m not sure if the fake tanks have even tried tanking, to see if they enjoy it. I love it, so can’t understand why they would not try.

In easier content you can easily go full AOE tank, baharas, thunderbug and Grothdars. You put out enough AOE to take down packs by yourself. While at the same time your group gets mobs grouped together and an actual tank for the bosses.

I think too many people are afraid to properly tank due to experiences in other games.

I think another part of it is that people think that tanks have to go with the meta, which is currently soul destroying boring.

Typical 4dps or 3 dps and healer run.
A damage dealer taps everything. No one else touches anything. Round em up into one room. Burn em down in aoes. Bosses are ult timed everyone has warhorn and appropriate ult ready. For some fights 1 of dds shield stacks and fake tanks with an ice staff. Sometimes healer may heal kite a boss. A lot of experienced dps can do nearly everything on normal like this.
In olden days of vet ranks i knew 2 magblades who could both tank and do 25 -30k dps on same character (trial level at the time) with the right monster sets and gear swaps. One taught our entire guild in every role how to do icp and wgt before nerfs. We always completed the run. That guildie just carried 3 players at a time til we got good. We met him in a pug.I think he joined our guild out of pity. LoL

Some players stretch the 'rules' successfully and for everyones benefit.

Tanks and healers are not necessary for a lot of stuff in game.
Some people can switch roles successfully mid dungeon.
Edit:There are no minimum dps requirements to enter dungeons and no inbuilt dps metre so people who do 4k dps think they are adequate damage dealers for harder content.
This is the way the game is made.

I would like even more mechanic heavy stuff that requires role dedication. (Healers are redundant in lots of content too) But until then, i have yet to see any solution to the dungeon finder wicked problem that is a win for all types of players.

CultOfMMO · June 2018

ArchMikem wrote: »

CultOfMMO wrote: »

White wabbit wrote: »

CultOfMMO wrote: »

i've played as both tank/DD and i can say without a doubt the most cancerous *** to ever exist in this game is *** poor garbage level dps, which i will almost always GUARANTEE to get at least 1 if im queuing on my actual tank

i've had to resort to altering my tank build to be able to at least output 15k dps to get through most random dungeons in a timely manner

so if i have to resort to queuing as a tank on my 45k DDs and carry a few ppl then so be it. Most are grateful, some complain more than they should, at the end of the day everyone gets what they want one way or another

obviously i've seen my fair share of over zealous DDs that are anything but competent and really ruin everyone else's day. In that case sure, vote kick is your friend and you should use it, otherwise stop with the whole dont queue as tank BS because there are FAR FAR WORSE things in this game than a "tank dps" if they know what they're doing.

ArchMikem wrote: »

Smasherx74 wrote: »

Just get another good dps. Two good dpses pulling 30-40k can easily cut through most vet dungeons like it's butter.

Then the group wipes cause theres no one there to tank the 90k hits.

you should prob learn to block/shield/dodgeroll

Lol the above ^^^^^^ block 90k hits on A Dd

i didnt think pointing out the idiocy of saying anything in a vet dungeon can hit close to 90k would be essential in getting my point through

But then again I never did a dungeon completely naked and neither should you

Try letting a Colossus in vet fang lair smack you in the face so you can join in the idiocy.

so you're telling me after all this time the title of your post should've actually been "vet DLC dungeon" role requirements? cuz thats a whole world of difference and you really need to stop wasting ppl's time

also no offense to you but that is way way wayyy beneath me to get hit by something even a dimwit can dodgeroll. You tell me if you're smarter than a dimwit.

DenMoria · June 2018

It's called "Meta" and the "Meta"s are always right. ALL HAIL THE METAS. Gods on Nirn (in their own minds).

josiahva wrote: »

no thanks, I dont feel like whatever role I queue for should have the build dictated by whatever build you think I should run. Why should it matter what weapons/armor/skills I have equipped as long as I fulfill the role? So what if I want to taunt exclusively with inner fire?(terrible as that idea may be). Your requirements would just limit my build to your preconceived notions of what it should be. Besides, those abusing the system will continue to abuse the system regardless of how you try to control them. You see...this is the whole problem with trying to control other people...you cant.

Jayman1000 · June 2018

ArchMikem wrote: »

Players choosing group roles they arent fitted for just to get into a group more quickly is still a problem in the vet queue.

DD's queuing as Tanks is the worst offender. It would help solve this issue if roles had conditions that had to be met in order to select, such as Healers need to have a Resto staff equipped, or Tanks need 1hand & Shield or Frost staff.

In my humble opinion group leader should have the power to kick without a vote majority. A leader is a leader is a leader is a leader. Additionally the group leader should never be the tank...

Agenericname · June 2018

Jayman1000 wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Players choosing group roles they arent fitted for just to get into a group more quickly is still a problem in the vet queue.

DD's queuing as Tanks is the worst offender. It would help solve this issue if roles had conditions that had to be met in order to select, such as Healers need to have a Resto staff equipped, or Tanks need 1hand & Shield or Frost staff.

In my humble opinion group leader should have the power to kick without a vote majority. A leader is a leader is a leader is a leader. Additionally the group leader should never be the tank...

So essentially the tank should never have the vote?

This is satire, right?

ArchMikem · June 2018

CultOfMMO wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

CultOfMMO wrote: »

White wabbit wrote: »

CultOfMMO wrote: »

i've played as both tank/DD and i can say without a doubt the most cancerous *** to ever exist in this game is *** poor garbage level dps, which i will almost always GUARANTEE to get at least 1 if im queuing on my actual tank

i've had to resort to altering my tank build to be able to at least output 15k dps to get through most random dungeons in a timely manner

so if i have to resort to queuing as a tank on my 45k DDs and carry a few ppl then so be it. Most are grateful, some complain more than they should, at the end of the day everyone gets what they want one way or another

obviously i've seen my fair share of over zealous DDs that are anything but competent and really ruin everyone else's day. In that case sure, vote kick is your friend and you should use it, otherwise stop with the whole dont queue as tank BS because there are FAR FAR WORSE things in this game than a "tank dps" if they know what they're doing.

ArchMikem wrote: »

Smasherx74 wrote: »

Just get another good dps. Two good dpses pulling 30-40k can easily cut through most vet dungeons like it's butter.

Then the group wipes cause theres no one there to tank the 90k hits.

you should prob learn to block/shield/dodgeroll

Lol the above ^^^^^^ block 90k hits on A Dd

i didnt think pointing out the idiocy of saying anything in a vet dungeon can hit close to 90k would be essential in getting my point through

But then again I never did a dungeon completely naked and neither should you

Try letting a Colossus in vet fang lair smack you in the face so you can join in the idiocy.

so you're telling me after all this time the title of your post should've actually been "vet DLC dungeon" role requirements? cuz thats a whole world of difference and you really need to stop wasting ppl's time

also no offense to you but that is way way wayyy beneath me to get hit by something even a dimwit can dodgeroll. You tell me if you're smarter than a dimwit.

No offense, but only the most prominent donkeys put "no offense" before their insults. And if you come back in here to reply to me again no ones wasting your time but yourself.

Chrysa1is · June 2018

I queue with every role selected in standard dungeons as standards are easy nowadays. I queue for the dps role in veteran dungeons.

The only problem is that the queue time is ridiculous and it takes ages to find a group, which is why, when ive had enough, i just queue with any role selected to just get in the dungeon.

zaria · June 2018

AlnilamE wrote: »

The best way is to be a real tank or healer yourself. :-)

Damican1982 wrote: »

The problem is that while tanks and healers can get a group in less than 5-10 minutes, DPS can wait forever to get a spot. No one wants to wait an hour to do to a 20 minute dungeon. So, I understand why they do it. Easiest and simplest solution to this would be to just add another DPS spot, adjust the boss/adds health accordingly. It wouldn't solve ALL the problems, but would make it easier on DPS to get a group. It's one of the reason I main a healer. I got tired of waiting 45 minutes, and then someone declines.

Healer is less than an minute unless unpopular and no pledge dungeon.
DD was 10-15 minutes for random normal, shorter for vet. Don't do random anymore because capped but vet non dlc pledge dungeons is pretty fast as in less than 10 minutes. If you want to farm an dungeon wait until pledge.

klowdy1 · June 2018

I dont really remember anything special, just not knowing about the nuances of the game. One thing I will say is one of my first interactions with people in this game, my very first dungeon, I ran into a true "genius" making a huge noob mistake.

We killed the second boss in fungal grotto I, and I guess I got something the tank wanted, which i also used as a huge upgrade to my quest gear. I was still new, and focused on playing the game, and not reading chat so long as everything was going well. I looked at my chat at the end to see seven messages sent by the tank. One asked for the item, the next offered my 500g for it, the next was the tank saying he had been farming that item for days (the noob mistake), followed by four vulgar lines of abuse.

The mistake was farming for sets at such a low level, and asking for gear six levels below the player, as well as being a little baby when you don't get your way.

DanteYoda · June 2018

LeagueTroll wrote: »

disagree, i play my real tank most the time, the bigger problem is definitely those 10k dps players.

Well thats because the 40k gear is so hard to get.. Not really the players thats on game mechanics.

Guppet · June 2018

lucky_Sage wrote: »

almost all vet dungouns are better with 3dd and healer so why does it matter

Not in most pug groups it’s not. That assumes all 4 are fully competent. Pugs are random, so the chances of getting all 4 are terrible.

This is simply a case of dps not being willing to wait for their role to be needed. It’s utterly selfish, no two ways about it. They just try to justify if with this “it’s easier my way” bs. What they actually mean is “it gives me shorter queues and I’m so selfish, I don’t care if that screws other people over”.

The simple fact is the game asks for tanks and healers, if you dont want the group the game asks for, you should not be using the group finder.

Yeah normals can be completed by 4 dps, but that’s people who know what they are doing. That content is not aimed at you though. Normals are where newer inexperienced players go to learn roles and mechanics, they can’t do that if experienced players choose the no tank or healer set up for their group.

You may think you just carried that group through content, but what you actually did was turn a learning experience into an utter waste of time for them. But you got an instant queue, who cares hey.

If you want 3 or 4 DPS runs form your own group. That group is going to form pretty instant isn’t it, if other people actually agree with your opinion. If it’s not quick it’s because people don’t agree.

Never see tanks or healers defending this behaviour, it’s always self serving.

The biggest problem with groups is that Zos don’t appear to have figured out that far more than twice as many people want to DPS as aposed to tanking or healing. In ESO groups half the people have roles with additional responsibilities. Less than half the people want those responsibilities. If groups were 5 or 6 people and content tuned for that, it would make DPS queues so much shorter.

Alternatively they could put options in group finder that says standard group, 3 dps and healer or 4 dps. You queue for what your wanting and if 4 dps is popular you’ll get quick quick queues. But hey you’d still queue on all 3 and still ignore roles because all your after is quick queues.

TheGr8David · June 2018

LeagueTroll wrote: »

disagree, i play my real tank most the time, the bigger problem is definitely those 10k dps players.

^This. A million times this. This is the only reason I ever have to re-queue. I run Tank and my friend runs heals and we run the vet pledges together, so we're only ever on the lookout for DDs. When we get stuck with Bow-User-McLightAttacksaLot or Sir Does-Not-Weave or even worse is the notorious Captain What're-Skills-For? me and my friend basically go into a rage induced coma.

DanteYoda wrote: »

LeagueTroll wrote: »

disagree, i play my real tank most the time, the bigger problem is definitely those 10k dps players.

Well thats because the 40k gear is so hard to get.. Not really the players thats on game mechanics.

There's a large distance between 40K DPS and 10K DPS. For solo-play reasons, my tank runs Mechanical Acuity, Hundings Rage, & velidreth. With just these 3 sets, no weapon passives for bow or DW, basic pick-up poisons for the bow, and un-optimized CP allocation, I can still manage about 25K-28K ST DPS and about 30K-50K AOE DPS (depending on the size of the trash pack) with proper rotations. I don't expect the DDs to pull top-tier numbers, but a lot of DDs out there don't want to learn to weave or master a rotation (not even a BIS rotation, but anything at all). I have seen a lot of DDs that feel like spamming their light attacks helps.

LadyNalcarya · June 2018

lucky_Sage wrote: »

almost all vet dungouns are better with 3dd and healer so why does it matter

Incorrect. 3dd+tank is more beneficial.

Jayman1000 · June 2018

ArchMikem wrote: »

Players choosing group roles they arent fitted for just to get into a group more quickly is still a problem in the vet queue.

DD's queuing as Tanks is the worst offender. It would help solve this issue if roles had conditions that had to be met in order to select, such as Healers need to have a Resto staff equipped, or Tanks need 1hand & Shield or Frost staff.

In my humble opinion group leader should have the power to kick without a vote majority. A leader is a leader is a leader is a leader. Additionally the group leader should never be the tank...

Agenericname wrote: »

Jayman1000 wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Players choosing group roles they arent fitted for just to get into a group more quickly is still a problem in the vet queue.

DD's queuing as Tanks is the worst offender. It would help solve this issue if roles had conditions that had to be met in order to select, such as Healers need to have a Resto staff equipped, or Tanks need 1hand & Shield or Frost staff.

In my humble opinion group leader should have the power to kick without a vote majority. A leader is a leader is a leader is a leader. Additionally the group leader should never be the tank...

So essentially the tank should never have the vote?

This is satire, right?

No. the tank should never be able to become group leader, and also only the group leader would be able to kick people. This will solve this issue: if a dps queued as tank the group would always be able to kick him. Tell me your points and arguments why you tink this would be a bad idea

AcadianPaladin · June 2018

Tank never the group leader? I understand the point but have some concerns that prompt me to not want this. Part of me is torn because fake tanks are indeed a problem but I'm honestly not sure of a fix that really works.

This would likely encourage fake tanks to join with a friend - you know, a fake healer so they can't be kicked.

Real tanks make (in my opinion) the best group leaders. When playing either healer or dps, letting the tank go in first and being aware of their position is very helpful - having a crown on them helps.

Not letting tanks be leader further discourages real tanks from queuing. They already put up with fake dps, fake heals and having others charge in pull aggro, die and leaving them to try and solo a boss with their whopping 4K dps. Lol.

alainjbrennanb16_ESO · June 2018

ArchMikem wrote: »

Players choosing group roles they arent fitted for just to get into a group more quickly is still a problem in the vet queue.

DD's queuing as Tanks is the worst offender. It would help solve this issue if roles had conditions that had to be met in order to select, such as Healers need to have a Resto staff equipped, or Tanks need 1hand & Shield or Frost staff.

they would just use alpha gear with dungeon queue set and once in swap to normal

Guppet · June 2018

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

lucky_Sage wrote: »

almost all vet dungouns are better with 3dd and healer so why does it matter

Incorrect. 3dd+tank is more beneficial.

This is much closer to the truth than 3 DPS and healer.

The reality is in a group with a tank and healer, if the dps avoid the red and the tank has decent self heals, the healer can go pretty much full DPS. But, and it’s a big but, you need to join the group and see that those things happen before deciding a role is not needed.

Even in this example that 3rd DPS can actually do the job they queues for if needed.

Assuming a role is not needed before you’ve actually met the other people you’ll be playing with is just selfish in the extreme.

Can anyone who queues as fake tank or fake healer honestly give a good reason why they deserve an instant queue, when the two assigned as DPS just spent ages queueing? Your doing the same job, but you believe your more entitled.

Maybe they can fix it with vote to kick pulling up a box that asks the reason with a drop down. One being not fulfilling role queued for. That actually helps the other players too as they would see a vote to kick xx has been initiated for not being able to tank the content.

Get enough votes to be kicked for not fulfilling a role and you can’t queue as that role for a certain amount of time.

Agenericname · June 2018

Jayman1000 wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Players choosing group roles they arent fitted for just to get into a group more quickly is still a problem in the vet queue.

DD's queuing as Tanks is the worst offender. It would help solve this issue if roles had conditions that had to be met in order to select, such as Healers need to have a Resto staff equipped, or Tanks need 1hand & Shield or Frost staff.

In my humble opinion group leader should have the power to kick without a vote majority. A leader is a leader is a leader is a leader. Additionally the group leader should never be the tank...

Agenericname wrote: »

Jayman1000 wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Players choosing group roles they arent fitted for just to get into a group more quickly is still a problem in the vet queue.

DD's queuing as Tanks is the worst offender. It would help solve this issue if roles had conditions that had to be met in order to select, such as Healers need to have a Resto staff equipped, or Tanks need 1hand & Shield or Frost staff.

In my humble opinion group leader should have the power to kick without a vote majority. A leader is a leader is a leader is a leader. Additionally the group leader should never be the tank...

So essentially the tank should never have the vote?

This is satire, right?

No. the tank should never be able to become group leader, and also only the group leader would be able to kick people. This will solve this issue: if a dps queued as tank the group would always be able to kick him. Tell me your points and arguments why you tink this would be a bad idea

1. Removing the majority threshold for a kick vote would open it up to abuse without any checks and balances to counter it. The potential for "griefing" is high enough that you'd likely see a decline in the use of group finder altogether.

2. Not allowing the tanks to ever become leader and thus have even a third of the kick vote wouldn't solve anything, in fact, it would likely make it worse by discouraging tanks from queueing. Once this started happening and tanks were being kicked because they didn't live up to the expectations of one person who is empowered to act unilaterally and with impunity, fewer people would want that role.

3. Having a pixel crown doesn't make you a leader. It doesn't make you any more qualified or signify that you have any more qualities of a leader than anybody else in the group. It makes you a random person with a pixel crown.

The end results would be that all the "real" tanks that didn't want to be trolled would find a guild and run with them exclusively so that they didn't have to deal with being ostracized and vacate the group finder system altogether.

A group can kick a "fake" tank now. The reason why they don't and the reason why they exist in the first place is because the content allows it. We don't have mechanics that make the trinity a necessity (at those levels). If you want more "real" tanks and healers, then you need content that requires specific roles to clear it.

CultOfMMO · June 2018

ArchMikem wrote: »

CultOfMMO wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

CultOfMMO wrote: »

White wabbit wrote: »

CultOfMMO wrote: »

i've played as both tank/DD and i can say without a doubt the most cancerous *** to ever exist in this game is *** poor garbage level dps, which i will almost always GUARANTEE to get at least 1 if im queuing on my actual tank

i've had to resort to altering my tank build to be able to at least output 15k dps to get through most random dungeons in a timely manner

so if i have to resort to queuing as a tank on my 45k DDs and carry a few ppl then so be it. Most are grateful, some complain more than they should, at the end of the day everyone gets what they want one way or another

obviously i've seen my fair share of over zealous DDs that are anything but competent and really ruin everyone else's day. In that case sure, vote kick is your friend and you should use it, otherwise stop with the whole dont queue as tank BS because there are FAR FAR WORSE things in this game than a "tank dps" if they know what they're doing.

ArchMikem wrote: »

Smasherx74 wrote: »

Just get another good dps. Two good dpses pulling 30-40k can easily cut through most vet dungeons like it's butter.

Then the group wipes cause theres no one there to tank the 90k hits.

you should prob learn to block/shield/dodgeroll

Lol the above ^^^^^^ block 90k hits on A Dd

i didnt think pointing out the idiocy of saying anything in a vet dungeon can hit close to 90k would be essential in getting my point through

But then again I never did a dungeon completely naked and neither should you

Try letting a Colossus in vet fang lair smack you in the face so you can join in the idiocy.

so you're telling me after all this time the title of your post should've actually been "vet DLC dungeon" role requirements? cuz thats a whole world of difference and you really need to stop wasting ppl's time

also no offense to you but that is way way wayyy beneath me to get hit by something even a dimwit can dodgeroll. You tell me if you're smarter than a dimwit.

No offense, but only the most prominent donkeys put "no offense" before their insults. And if you come back in here to reply to me again no ones wasting your time but yourself.

I'm not sure if you really thought that message through but anyways Mr prominent donkey dodge roll is double tapping any direction key. Do that before the Colossus smacks the stupidity out of you next time. Hope that helps.

CultOfMMO · June 2018

Guppet wrote: »

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

lucky_Sage wrote: »

almost all vet dungouns are better with 3dd and healer so why does it matter

Incorrect. 3dd+tank is more beneficial.

This is much closer to the truth than 3 DPS and healer.

The reality is in a group with a tank and healer, if the dps avoid the red and the tank has decent self heals, the healer can go pretty much full DPS. But, and it’s a big but, you need to join the group and see that those things happen before deciding a role is not needed.

Even in this example that 3rd DPS can actually do the job they queues for if needed.

Assuming a role is not needed before you’ve actually met the other people you’ll be playing with is just selfish in the extreme.

Can anyone who queues as fake tank or fake healer honestly give a good reason why they deserve an instant queue, when the two assigned as DPS just spent ages queueing? Your doing the same job, but you believe your more entitled.

Maybe they can fix it with vote to kick pulling up a box that asks the reason with a drop down. One being not fulfilling role queued for. That actually helps the other players too as they would see a vote to kick xx has been initiated for not being able to tank the content.

Get enough votes to be kicked for not fulfilling a role and you can’t queue as that role for a certain amount of time.

Because I can pull more dps than the other two combined 9 times out of 10, and I know the dungeons so I know where a shield/dodgerolling is needed and where a taunt is needed. Again not speaking for over zealous DDs who are more of a hindrance than anything. And the only way to get the daily bonus is to queue so instead of going solo I thought I could help out 3 others get a fast run. It's that simple, no harm done only benefits. On the off chance all 3 others prefer a slow methodical run I either leave or get kicked so I just wait for the next queue, no hard feelings.

If you're having trouble grasping the fact that there are players out there who can fulfill multiple roles while outperforming the person dedicated to a specific role then you're probably way too low in the food chain and until you climb higher anything anyone else says here won't make sense to you.

Way to climb higher is not spending time on a forum though I can tell you that much

Merlin13KAGL · June 2018

Gauntlet. Certification. Star Rating (even player based) after so many runs.

Possibly additional filters in the group finder.

Only way you'll ever remedy this.

coop500 · June 2018

ArchMikem wrote: »

Players choosing group roles they arent fitted for just to get into a group more quickly is still a problem in the vet queue.

DD's queuing as Tanks is the worst offender. It would help solve this issue if roles had conditions that had to be met in order to select, such as Healers need to have a Resto staff equipped, or Tanks need 1hand & Shield or Frost staff.

Well my warden stamina healer would disagree with the resto staff requirement

Guppet · June 2018

CultOfMMO wrote: »

Guppet wrote: »

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

lucky_Sage wrote: »

almost all vet dungouns are better with 3dd and healer so why does it matter

Incorrect. 3dd+tank is more beneficial.

This is much closer to the truth than 3 DPS and healer.

The reality is in a group with a tank and healer, if the dps avoid the red and the tank has decent self heals, the healer can go pretty much full DPS. But, and it’s a big but, you need to join the group and see that those things happen before deciding a role is not needed.

Even in this example that 3rd DPS can actually do the job they queues for if needed.

Assuming a role is not needed before you’ve actually met the other people you’ll be playing with is just selfish in the extreme.

Can anyone who queues as fake tank or fake healer honestly give a good reason why they deserve an instant queue, when the two assigned as DPS just spent ages queueing? Your doing the same job, but you believe your more entitled.

Maybe they can fix it with vote to kick pulling up a box that asks the reason with a drop down. One being not fulfilling role queued for. That actually helps the other players too as they would see a vote to kick xx has been initiated for not being able to tank the content.

Get enough votes to be kicked for not fulfilling a role and you can’t queue as that role for a certain amount of time.

Because I can pull more dps than the other two combined 9 times out of 10, and I know the dungeons so I know where a shield/dodgerolling is needed and where a taunt is needed. Again not speaking for over zealous DDs who are more of a hindrance than anything. And the only way to get the daily bonus is to queue so instead of going solo I thought I could help out 3 others get a fast run. It's that simple, no harm done only benefits. On the off chance all 3 others prefer a slow methodical run I either leave or get kicked so I just wait for the next queue, no hard feelings.

If you're having trouble grasping the fact that there are players out there who can fulfill multiple roles while outperforming the person dedicated to a specific role then you're probably way too low in the food chain and until you climb higher anything anyone else says here won't make sense to you.

Way to climb higher is not spending time on a forum though I can tell you that much

And still you fail to acknowledge that you removed the other 3 people’s choice.

You then try to atack me. Then say I can’t know what im doing because I’m posting on a forum? lol so are you. So you dont know either by your own logic.

You have no clue of my skill levels. I do know of your selfish levels though.