Snakeblood has got to go.

D0PAMINE · June 2018

To those of us who have been in the game for a bit, im sure some if not all of us can agree that this passive us absolutely useless.

Skill Line: Alchemy

Passive: Snakeblood:

Snakeblood I: Reduces duration of negative effects in potions by 50% when consumed.
Snakeblood II: Reduces duration of negative effects in potions by 80% when consumed.
Snakeblood III: Reduces duration of negative effects in potions by 100% when consumed.

A passive that removes negative effects. Seems great. Drinking a potion to get buffs and remove negative effects seems like a great idea except.....It will only remove negative effects from the potion you just drank. I have never heard of any player actually using this passive because they drink half baked potions, especially considering how popular user made potions are in guild stores. I understand there have been many threads about this, but I feel it's still a (minor) relative issue that is worthy of bringing up.

Some ideas I had were: Increase potion effectiveness by x seconds or x% which is an existing passive but could function as a continuation of that passive line.

or: Every potion consumed has x or % chance to double the duration or cut the cooldown inhalf by % every x seconds.

or even: gives % chance of affecting a nearby ally with (whatever potion was) for x seconds

moonio · June 2018

If you are an Argonian and short on potion ingredients, you can make any type of trash potion and effectively make a tri-pot
Then there is Clever Alchemist set etc etc..

Asardes · June 2018

Since there were no poisons in the game at launch (they weren't introduced until Dark Brotherhood patch, June 2016) there could only be a passive that modified the effects of potions. Since we now have poisons in the game, the passive should be changed accordingly. As I've said on a similar topic a few months ago the Snake Blood passive should work like this:

Snakeblood

Rank I - Reduces the effects of poisons applied to you by 10% and their duration by 0.5s
Rank II - Reduces the effects of poisons applied to you by 20% and their duration by 1.0s
Rank III - Reduces the effects of poisons applied to you by 30% and their duration by 1.5s

It would make sense since "Snake Blood" hints at the venom immunity some snakes have, and also that experimenting with alchemy creates some degree of immunity to poisons (see ancient king Mithridates VI of Pontus).

Mayrael · June 2018

Asardes wrote: »

Since there were no poisons in the game at launch (they weren't introduced until Dark Brotherhood patch, June 2016) there could only be a passive that modified the effects of potions. Since we now have poisons in the game, the passive should be changed accordingly. As I've said on a similar topic a few months ago the Snake Blood passive should work like this:

Snakeblood

Rank I - Reduces the effects of poisons applied to you by 10% and their duration by 0.5s
Rank II - Reduces the effects of poisons applied to you by 20% and their duration by 1.0s
Rank III - Reduces the effects of poisons applied to you by 30% and their duration by 1.5s

It would make sense since "Snake Blood" hints at the venom immunity some snakes have, and also that experimenting with alchemy creates some degree of immunity to poisons (see ancient king Mithridates VI of Pontus).

Simply this.

LMar · June 2018

If you included negative effects in your potions perhaps positive effects duration should increase a bit. So you can have a a balance and then the passive is helpful

Armatesz · June 2018

I really do wish snakeblood would be reworked.

ezio45 · June 2018

would be nice if it reduced the effectiveness of poisons applied to you

LeagueTroll · June 2018

Yes zos do something

Dreyloch · June 2018

Asardes wrote: »

Since there were no poisons in the game at launch (they weren't introduced until Dark Brotherhood patch, June 2016) there could only be a passive that modified the effects of potions. Since we now have poisons in the game, the passive should be changed accordingly. As I've said on a similar topic a few months ago the Snake Blood passive should work like this:

Snakeblood

Rank I - Reduces the effects of poisons applied to you by 10% and their duration by 0.5s
Rank II - Reduces the effects of poisons applied to you by 20% and their duration by 1.0s
Rank III - Reduces the effects of poisons applied to you by 30% and their duration by 1.5s

It would make sense since "Snake Blood" hints at the venom immunity some snakes have, and also that experimenting with alchemy creates some degree of immunity to poisons (see ancient king Mithridates VI of Pontus).

I like this idea the best. Yes, this passive does need a rework.

Eirella · June 2018

Asardes wrote: »

Since there were no poisons in the game at launch (they weren't introduced until Dark Brotherhood patch, June 2016) there could only be a passive that modified the effects of potions. Since we now have poisons in the game, the passive should be changed accordingly. As I've said on a similar topic a few months ago the Snake Blood passive should work like this:

Snakeblood

Rank I - Reduces the effects of poisons applied to you by 10% and their duration by 0.5s
Rank II - Reduces the effects of poisons applied to you by 20% and their duration by 1.0s
Rank III - Reduces the effects of poisons applied to you by 30% and their duration by 1.5s

It would make sense since "Snake Blood" hints at the venom immunity some snakes have, and also that experimenting with alchemy creates some degree of immunity to poisons (see ancient king Mithridates VI of Pontus).

This is a great idea!

Violynne · June 2018

Asardes wrote: »

Snakeblood

Rank I - Reduces the effects of poisons applied to you by 10% and their duration by 0.5s
Rank II - Reduces the effects of poisons applied to you by 20% and their duration by 1.0s
Rank III - Reduces the effects of poisons applied to you by 30% and their duration by 1.5s

This is actually a nice idea, but I'm not going to support it.

This would indirectly nerf my stamBlade who tremendously relies on poisons for DoT due to our lack of, well, any DoTs.

I'm sure people would get quite furious if a passive was offered to negate both 30% and duration of spell effects, considering how many magSorcs there are in the game.

Dreyloch · June 2018

Asardes wrote: »

Since there were no poisons in the game at launch (they weren't introduced until Dark Brotherhood patch, June 2016) there could only be a passive that modified the effects of potions. Since we now have poisons in the game, the passive should be changed accordingly. As I've said on a similar topic a few months ago the Snake Blood passive should work like this:

Snakeblood

Rank I - Reduces the effects of poisons applied to you by 10% and their duration by 0.5s
Rank II - Reduces the effects of poisons applied to you by 20% and their duration by 1.0s
Rank III - Reduces the effects of poisons applied to you by 30% and their duration by 1.5s

It would make sense since "Snake Blood" hints at the venom immunity some snakes have, and also that experimenting with alchemy creates some degree of immunity to poisons (see ancient king Mithridates VI of Pontus).

I like this idea the best. Yes, this passive does need a rework.

Violynne wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

Snakeblood

Rank I - Reduces the effects of poisons applied to you by 10% and their duration by 0.5s
Rank II - Reduces the effects of poisons applied to you by 20% and their duration by 1.0s
Rank III - Reduces the effects of poisons applied to you by 30% and their duration by 1.5s

This is actually a nice idea, but I'm not going to support it.

This would indirectly nerf my stamBlade who tremendously relies on poisons for DoT due to our lack of, well, any DoTs.

I'm sure people would get quite furious if a passive was offered to negate both 30% and duration of spell effects, considering how many magSorcs there are in the game.

Uh yeah, but that means less dot damage on yourself from other players too. Assuming you PvP, that's a good thing. Besides, snakeblood is pretty far down the line on alchemy passives. Everyone would have to work to get it if the toon isn't an full blown alchemist already. My stam warden gets torn up by DoT's now, without any real means purging them. I could run efficient purge, but it takes up a bar slot I don't wanna give up.

Asardes · June 2018

Alchemy takes 20 minutes to level. Did it on 14/15 characters, with all properties discovered along the way. Most people will level it for Medicinal Use anyway. So there's not much of a grind associsted with it.

idk · June 2018

I would agree it is virtually useless but that does not mean it should be replaced. Just do not put points in it. Very simple solution that works for the rest of us.

Violynne · June 2018

Dreyloch wrote: »

Uh yeah, but that means less dot damage on yourself from other players too.

I don't disagree, but the issue would still remain: it'll be an indirect nerf to the NB class, whose arsenal of DoTs can be counted on two fingers, whereas every other class has two hands and two feet to count their DoTs.

Jesting a bit, but the passive will kill the NB DoT.

Assuming you PvP, that's a good thing.

I haven't PvP'd much, but most of my deaths didn't come from poison.

Besides, snakeblood is pretty far down the line on alchemy passives. Everyone would have to work to get it if the toon isn't an full blown alchemist already. My stam warden gets torn up by DoT's now, without any real means purging them. I could run efficient purge, but it takes up a bar slot I don't wanna give up.

Doesn't matter how far "down the line" it is. To drop 30% poison damage, as a passive, would be something everyone would get as Alchemy is only second to Provisioning to level to 50.

Sorry, as a NB, I can't allow a 30% decrease to one of the few DoTs I have.

BuddyAces · June 2018

moonio wrote: »

If you are an Argonian and short on potion ingredients, you can make any type of trash potion and effectively make a tri-pot
Then there is Clever Alchemist set etc etc..

Polish a turd.....

moonio · June 2018

^^ Well there must have been a reason for it to have been included in the skill line...

Why is it there?

Facefister · June 2018

Asardes wrote: »

Since there were no poisons in the game at launch (they weren't introduced until Dark Brotherhood patch, June 2016) there could only be a passive that modified the effects of potions. Since we now have poisons in the game, the passive should be changed accordingly. As I've said on a similar topic a few months ago the Snake Blood passive should work like this:

Snakeblood

Rank I - Reduces the effects of poisons applied to you by 10% and their duration by 0.5s
Rank II - Reduces the effects of poisons applied to you by 20% and their duration by 1.0s
Rank III - Reduces the effects of poisons applied to you by 30% and their duration by 1.5s

It would make sense since "Snake Blood" hints at the venom immunity some snakes have, and also that experimenting with alchemy creates some degree of immunity to poisons (see ancient king Mithridates VI of Pontus).

PvP whinery in 3...2...1...

brandonv516 · June 2018

idk wrote: »

I would agree it is virtually useless but that does not mean it should be replaced. Just do not put points in it. Very simple solution that works for the rest of us.

They may as well remove it then. Kind of like all of the unused morphs for skills - let's just get rid of them too.

Something without purpose should not exist.

Ectheliontnacil · June 2018

Would be nice if it applied to poisons...

inclinations · June 2018

I agree. I never understood Snakeblood or negative effect potions, why would I make a negative effect potion for myself? I don't apply points to it. The only time I make them are for crafting writs, I've never been asked to make them for another person.

Poisons are rampant in cyro. Making this change would be useful.

Thiskers · June 2018

I use snakeblood on my character. Upon making some negative effect potions, I believe it was a ravage health potion, the positive side of the potion created outlasted the global cooldown of the usage of the potion. If I remember correctly the global cooldown on potions is 45 seconds. The positive effect was around 46.x seconds. So in theory I could have 100% uptime on the positive effect if/when I use said potion at the end of the global cooldown.

Ragebull · June 2018

idk wrote: »

I would agree it is virtually useless but that does not mean it should be replaced. Just do not put points in it. Very simple solution that works for the rest of us.

This guy...