I have two rings I need to upgrade to gold...

burglar · June 2018

Gonna be expensive.

Some people think this is bad, but I love the grind for jewelrycrafting. We're finally seeing an increase in difficulty that will really make certain achievements in game stand out, without disparaging anyone who hasn't accomplished them. Granted, this is an opinion from someone who enjoyed FFXI (I even got a relic weapon!).

Lord-Otto · June 2018

Forget it. Jewelry crafting is a big fail.

Aurielle · June 2018

LumbermillOverlord wrote: »

@Aurielle
50k vs 600k ap
I just lold again

Stop being an ass, @LumbermillOverlord . I have 6 characters. I had to re-gold my main after Summerset and re-work my alts as well, since MA is trash now. I do not have millions. I’m down to 60k gold after changing builds around, so no, I’m not freaking spending 50k gold on a single Mother’s Sorrow ring. I’m swimming in AP, so I tried to upgrade gear that way.

Feanor · June 2018

600k AP is ten hours play time, less when you’re in a good organized guild group. It isn’t much.

Aurielle · June 2018

notimetocare wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

Heck, just getting enough purple grains to upgrade blue jewellery is bad enough... I blew over 600k AP on Potentiates boxes, and only managed to upgrade one (1) Mother’s Sorrow ring... I should have just kept grinding dolmens.

I hate to laugh at your Sorrow but you can get purple MS rings for way cheaper than that investment

There is literally NOTHING worth spending AP on, @notimetocare . My bank coffers are currently empty after grinding/upgrading new gear for my main and my alts, and I didn’t want to waste what precious gold I have on purple rings from greedy guild traders. It is very expensive to gold out gear on console if you don’t play the trader mini-game. I actually spend my game-time playing the game, whether it be in dungeons or in Cyrodiil. Dungeon drops are bound, and PVP rarely drops anything worth selling. I don’t like grinding or farming mats, so I’m not going to rake in millions at the trader.

The fact that it took 600k AP to get 7 purple upgrade mats (enough to upgrade only one ring) speaks to the ridiculousness of the jewellery crafting grind. I’m not even going to bother using my AP on gold jewellery for decon, as the costs are SO HIGH relative to the reward. The only people who will be able to afford to upgrade their jewellery to gold are those sitting on millions.

kringled_1 · June 2018

@Aurielle IDK if the market on PS4 would support it, but you might have been able to spend AP on dawn-prism, either sell those directly or make triune jewelry for research and sell that. Probably slower and not viable if you're not in a trade guild with a good trader though.

Aurielle · June 2018

Feanor wrote: »

600k AP is ten hours play time, less when you’re in a good organized guild group. It isn’t much.

I don’t know if you heard or not, but Cyrodiil is currently unplayable on console. With all the freezing and rage-quits over the freezing, good luck getting an organized group, LOL.

Guys, stop trying to minimize the oppressiveness of the jewellery crafting grind. If the grain system is not changed, then drop rates on purple/gold jewellery need to be changed. Purple upgrade mats for every other craft are SO easy to come by.

Aurielle · June 2018

Also, let’s put this into perspective:

If you spend 10 straight hours running veteran dungeons, how many weapons and pieces of armour could you upgrade to purple at the end of those ten hours? Going to go out on a limb here and say you’ll be able to upgrade a heck of a lot more than one piece of equipment...

LumbermillOverlord · June 2018

@Aurielle you can convert 600k ap into like 150k gold, for example buy and sell akaviri pages

and then buy 2 purple rings and 50k will left

I just lold 3rd time in a row

Aurielle · June 2018

LumbermillOverlord wrote: »

@Aurielle you can convert 600k ap into like 150k gold, for example buy and sell akaviri pages

and then buy 2 purple rings and 50k will left

I just lold 3rd time in a row

You are missing the point, BIG time. It should not be so expensive to upgrade a single piece of jewellery.

Also, the motif market is completely stagnant on console after the anniversary event, and will be for some time. Ain’t nobody making money off anything that isn’t a new/rare motif.

kringled_1 · June 2018

Aurielle wrote: »

Guys, stop trying to minimize the oppressiveness of the jewellery crafting grind. If the grain system is not changed, then drop rates on purple/gold jewellery need to be changed. Purple upgrade mats for every other craft are SO easy to come by.

Oh I completely agree. PC, so I'm a month in. I can make maybe 2 blue items and 1 purple. I have 1 whole gold plating. I've now destroyed 2 JC master writs because they are economically unviable. The system is set up in such a way as to be unrewarding to actually make anything.

Aurielle · June 2018

kringled_1 wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

Guys, stop trying to minimize the oppressiveness of the jewellery crafting grind. If the grain system is not changed, then drop rates on purple/gold jewellery need to be changed. Purple upgrade mats for every other craft are SO easy to come by.

Oh I completely agree. PC, so I'm a month in. I can make maybe 2 blue items and 1 purple. I have 1 whole gold plating. I've now destroyed 2 JC master writs because they are economically unviable. The system is set up in such a way as to be unrewarding to actually make anything.

Exactly. The costs associated with jewellery crafting are INSANE. It’s not worth it. The only people who can afford to upgrade their jewellery are those who play the trader market, those who have oodles of free time on their hands (and the patience) to grind incessantly, or those who never spend their gold on anything and are running out of date builds.

People are posting purple jewellery plates for 50-80k plus on console, and very few traders have any listed at all. I don’t even want to know what they’re posting gold plates for. I don’t run vet trials, so my only real access to gold jewellery for decon is the Golden. I would literally have to farm millions upon millions of AP to upgrade a single jewellery piece to gold. It’s nuts.

starlizard70ub17_ESO · June 2018

Feanor wrote: »

I’d estimate it’s about 1.5 million. Per Ring.

And of course once you've sent the time and gold upgrading to gold, a nerf patch will come out making the set useless.

THEDKEXPERIENCE · June 2018

ArchMikem wrote: »

The price to do it is outrageous and the stat increase, miniscule.

Its not worth it.

It’s totally not worth it financially to make gold jewelry or to buy crafted jewelry.

BUT ... it did drive the prices on gold normal jewelry down. I was able to get a full set of Grace of the Ancients jewelry for about 120k. That is absolutely worth it.

notimetocare · June 2018

Aurielle wrote: »

LumbermillOverlord wrote: »

@Aurielle you can convert 600k ap into like 150k gold, for example buy and sell akaviri pages

and then buy 2 purple rings and 50k will left

I just lold 3rd time in a row

You are missing the point, BIG time. It should not be so expensive to upgrade a single piece of jewellery.

Also, the motif market is completely stagnant on console after the anniversary event, and will be for some time. Ain’t nobody making money off anything that isn’t a new/rare motif.

Why exactly? When the game was new, gear was just as expensive to upgrade.

Aurielle · June 2018

notimetocare wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

LumbermillOverlord wrote: »

@Aurielle you can convert 600k ap into like 150k gold, for example buy and sell akaviri pages

and then buy 2 purple rings and 50k will left

I just lold 3rd time in a row

You are missing the point, BIG time. It should not be so expensive to upgrade a single piece of jewellery.

Also, the motif market is completely stagnant on console after the anniversary event, and will be for some time. Ain’t nobody making money off anything that isn’t a new/rare motif.

Why exactly? When the game was new, gear was just as expensive to upgrade.

What does that have to do with anything? Right now, I can take a character with ZERO purple tempers through vet dungeons for a few hours and be guaranteed to earn enough purple decon gear from those runs to upgrade several pieces of armour/weapons. Relatively few purple rings will drop in that time. If I’m lucky, I might get 1-2 pieces of purple jewellery to decon per run, but I also have a chance of getting zero jewellery drops in any particular run. I then have to get lucky TEN times when deconning those pieces to yield ONE upgrade plate. I have to get lucky forty times in total to get enough plates to upgrade one jewellery piece to purple. How many dungeon runs does that equate to?

It’s insane, and I can’t believe you’re defending it.

Feanor · June 2018

@Aurielle

You have misunderstood my posting. Actually I’m with you on the ridiculous investment it takes to craft jewelry. What I meant was: It’s not that bad to spend 600k AP instead of 50k gold as AP is a dead currency for the most part and if you’re a regular PvP player you have millions of AP banked. So I was actually defending you. Hope that’s clear now.

THEDKEXPERIENCE · June 2018

Aurielle wrote: »

notimetocare wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

LumbermillOverlord wrote: »

@Aurielle you can convert 600k ap into like 150k gold, for example buy and sell akaviri pages

and then buy 2 purple rings and 50k will left

I just lold 3rd time in a row

You are missing the point, BIG time. It should not be so expensive to upgrade a single piece of jewellery.

Also, the motif market is completely stagnant on console after the anniversary event, and will be for some time. Ain’t nobody making money off anything that isn’t a new/rare motif.

Why exactly? When the game was new, gear was just as expensive to upgrade.

What does that have to do with anything? Right now, I can take a character with ZERO purple tempers through vet dungeons for a few hours and be guaranteed to earn enough purple decon gear from those runs to upgrade several pieces of armour/weapons. Relatively few purple rings will drop in that time. If I’m lucky, I might get 1-2 pieces of purple jewellery to decon per run, but I also have a chance of getting zero jewellery drops in any particular run. I then have to get lucky TEN times when deconning those pieces to yield ONE upgrade plate. I have to get lucky forty times in total to get enough plates to upgrade one jewellery piece to purple. How many dungeon runs does that equate to?

It’s insane, and I can’t believe you’re defending it.

I won’t defend the grind cause that’s a different conversation (I’m actually ok with it but different strokes for different folks and I get why people would hate it) but I will impart a bit of ESO historical wisdom.

Often when something new comes to ESO the first 3 months make it essentially not worth the effort. Do you know how hard it was to find ancestor silk once upon a time? Now every crafter with ESO plus has thousands just laying around.

Give it 3 months. ZOS will almost assuredly add something (higher drops, maybe a vendor for example) to make it more widely available cause that is historically exactly what they’ve done. The first quarter is always only for the masochists.

Best advice I can give you just to wait it out and in 3 to 6 months you’ll be laughing at how easy it is.

Aurielle · June 2018

Feanor wrote: »

@Aurielle

You have misunderstood my posting. Actually I’m with you on the ridiculous investment it takes to craft jewelry. What I meant was: It’s not that bad to spend 600k AP instead of 50k gold as AP is a dead currency for the most part and if you’re a regular PvP player you have millions of AP banked. So I was actually defending you. Hope that’s clear now.

Sorry, @Feanor — I completely misunderstood your meaning. I don’t PVP as regularly as some; the most AP I’ve ever had at one time was about 3 million, which I blew on gold jewellery for one of my alts a while back. I was sitting on just under 700k when I decided to try upgrading my Mother’s Sorrow rings for my NB (since I was having no luck on the dolmen circuit). 600k AP isn’t completely insignificant for me, as my game play is split between Cyrodiil and PVE (with more emphasis on PVE). PVPing is also a huge pain for me at the moment, due to the freezing problem on console

You’re right: AP is a dead currency. Since there’s nothing worth spending AP on, it made more sense to blow the AP I had on purple Potentiates boxes, rather than wasting my game time grinding dolmens or wasting what little gold I have on the traders. I couldn’t believe it that I went through 600k AP and STILL could only upgrade one jewellery piece to purple...

JamieAubrey · June 2018

ArchMikem wrote: »

The price to do it is outrageous and the stat increase, miniscule.

Its not worth it.

Why I dont bother golding my gear or farming for gold jewellery

Oreyn_Bearclaw · June 2018

Feanor wrote: »

600k AP is ten hours play time, less when you’re in a good organized guild group. It isn’t much.

10 hours of dolmen grinding would probably have got him 3 or 4 complete sets of Mother's Sorrow rings in purple (and a crap load of other JC mats). I get that people hoard wealth in different forms. Some people are AP rich, some are gold rich, etc. That said, sometimes it makes sense to put a little effort towards exchanging your currency. Spending 600k AP to upgrade a ring to purple is not a great investment any way you slice it.

And of course JC is essentially broken right now. The upgrade cost is bonkers.

Feanor · June 2018

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

600k AP is ten hours play time, less when you’re in a good organized guild group. It isn’t much.

10 hours of dolmen grinding would probably have got him 3 or 4 complete sets of Mother's Sorrow rings in purple (and a crap load of other JC mats). I get that people hoard wealth in different forms. Some people are AP rich, some are gold rich, etc. That said, sometimes it makes sense to put a little effort towards exchanging your currency. Spending 600k AP to upgrade a ring to purple is not a great investment any way you slice it.

And of course JC is essentially broken right now. The upgrade cost is bonkers.

I didn’t say it is a great investment, but even with Treasure Hunter jewelry farming for a specific set can be a royal PITA. If you are scarce on game time I think just farming the gold through thieving would be the most efficient way to get your rings on a trader.

Aurielle · June 2018

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

600k AP is ten hours play time, less when you’re in a good organized guild group. It isn’t much.

10 hours of dolmen grinding would probably have got him 3 or 4 complete sets of Mother's Sorrow rings in purple (and a crap load of other JC mats). I get that people hoard wealth in different forms. Some people are AP rich, some are gold rich, etc. That said, sometimes it makes sense to put a little effort towards exchanging your currency. Spending 600k AP to upgrade a ring to purple is not a great investment any way you slice it.

And of course JC is essentially broken right now. The upgrade cost is bonkers.

Grinding dolmens is not an enjoyable activity for me. I spent two hours grinding Deshaan dolmens before I gave up, and in all that time got one purple Mother’s Sorrow neck, and one purple Night Mother’s ring. Accruing AP is not a grind for me, as I actually enjoy PVPing. That’s why to me, I didn’t mind parting with AP in an effort to upgrade my alt’s jewellery in a less aggravating way. What I DID mind was the amount of AP required to upgrade a single piece of jewellery.

The grain system is prohibitively grindy, to the point where it’s honestly not worth the trouble trying to upgrade jewellery the way you would upgrade any other piece of armour.

GG, ZOS, creating a crafting system that hardly anyone wants to use, since it’s such a grind...

starkerealm · June 2018

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

NewFordOrder wrote: »

Any tips on how to afford it, or ways to make it happen otherwise?

Just wait another month or two, hopefully prices will go down for chromium

templesus wrote: »

only worth it if you run infused jewelry

Why? Infused affects the enchantment only, not the stats of the jewelry

The percentage that infused increases the enchantment goes up with the quality.

It's still a marginal change, though. It goes from 51% to 60% on the enchant. When you're talking about a spell/weapon damage glyph, that works out to be about 16 points to the stat. It's not much.

Odnoc · June 2018

Feanor wrote: »

600k AP is ten hours play time, less when you’re in a good organized guild group. It isn’t much.

and 50K is about 2 hours of play time tops with what jewelry is going for.

Aurielle · June 2018

Odnoc wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

600k AP is ten hours play time, less when you’re in a good organized guild group. It isn’t much.

and 50K is about 2 hours of play time tops with what jewelry is going for.

Still missing the point. The cost of buying purple jewellery isn’t the issue here — it’s the cost associated with upgrading jewellery to purple, let alone gold (as per the OP).

Oreyn_Bearclaw · June 2018

Aurielle wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

600k AP is ten hours play time, less when you’re in a good organized guild group. It isn’t much.

10 hours of dolmen grinding would probably have got him 3 or 4 complete sets of Mother's Sorrow rings in purple (and a crap load of other JC mats). I get that people hoard wealth in different forms. Some people are AP rich, some are gold rich, etc. That said, sometimes it makes sense to put a little effort towards exchanging your currency. Spending 600k AP to upgrade a ring to purple is not a great investment any way you slice it.

And of course JC is essentially broken right now. The upgrade cost is bonkers.

Grinding dolmens is not an enjoyable activity for me. I spent two hours grinding Deshaan dolmens before I gave up, and in all that time got one purple Mother’s Sorrow neck, and one purple Night Mother’s ring. Accruing AP is not a grind for me, as I actually enjoy PVPing. That’s why to me, I didn’t mind parting with AP in an effort to upgrade my alt’s jewellery in a less aggravating way. What I DID mind was the amount of AP required to upgrade a single piece of jewellery.

The grain system is prohibitively grindy, to the point where it’s honestly not worth the trouble trying to upgrade jewellery the way you would upgrade any other piece of armour.

GG, ZOS, creating a crafting system that hardly anyone wants to use, since it’s such a grind...

I hear that. Believe me I do. If you have the AP, spend it anyway you want. That is the beauty of AP. It is the one currency you can get in abundance simply by playing enjoyable content. I just think you might have done better to try to convert it to gold first, and then buy the rings directly as they are so common. I farm treasure chests in deshaan when i am waiting for BG queues to pop. I have sold more sets of MS jewelry than I can count, and on PC they only go for like 13-15k.

As to the cost, again, i get it. I realize that is the point you are making. The pushback is that for some items the cost might be worth it. If you really need a crafted set in purple or a drop set from a vet dungeon that you really dont want to (or cant do), then yes the cost is frustrating. The mother's sorrow jewerly is just kind of a bad example IMO because it just isnt all that hard to get in purple.

I am someone that is kicking myself for not buying the gold MS rings when they were in the vendor a few months back. I have 2 nightblades geared up, and hate that their jewerly is purple (even though the difference to gold is minuscule). I can buy gold rings outright for about the cost of buying the gold mats to upgrade. Both qualify as horrible investments. Haha

Enemy-of-Coldharbour · June 2018

Upgrading to gold right now simply is not worth it. I only made once piece of my jewelry gold just to get the new achievement dye (totally worth it!).

Cenom · June 2018

NewFordOrder wrote: »

Any tips on how to afford it, or ways to make it happen otherwise?

Plot twist: You don't need it.

starkerealm · June 2018

Cenom wrote: »

NewFordOrder wrote: »

Any tips on how to afford it, or ways to make it happen otherwise?

Plot twist: You don't need it.

Yeah, this.

The difference between a purple piece of Mother's Sorrow, and a Gold one is 25 point of Spell Crit, and 7.8 max Magicka (with an additional 30 magicka from the trait (so, you lose this if your'e retraiting.)

No, seriously, that's the difference between having a purple one and a gold one equipped.