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GreyWolf_79✭✭✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »thisisScoMan wrote: »Please no auction house.
After needing a recipe for a writ last night and checking all the "main vendors" who were selling said recipe for $120k+, I was very happy to go out of my way a bit and find it for $18k.
This would not happen with an auction house. I would be stuck with $120k+.
So you scammed some kid who didn't have access to market tools, smh.
Not a scam. If I list something for sale for $5000 and someone buys it, and I find out later that said item was actually worth $50,000, I didn't get scammed. I got my $5000. Yes, I potentially lost out on $45,000 extra. But I didn't get "scammed". Sellers scam. Buyers can never be considered scammers (unless they're using counterfeit money or something of that nature).
Now, lack of access to market tools... as a console player, we don't have those tools. I have no idea what something is worth unless I check every single trader and compare prices. And even then... let's say I find a low price at trader X, then go to check the other traders... an hour later I come back to trader X, and the item has sold. That's not the lowest price anymore. Now I have to go through all of them again to see what the new "lowest price" is.
Okay, so now that I scolded you, it's time to scold the person you replied to (after all, fair is fair). The person you replied to said they didn't want a global auction house because they were able to find a "sweet deal" without it. Got a "120k" recipe for 18k. Well, guess what? If there was an open global marketplace, that recipe wouldn't be 120k. Someone would post it for 120k, someone else would post it for 119, then someone would post it for 118, etc. Eventually the average going rate would be somewhere in between the ridiculously expensive 120k and the ridiculously cheap 18k.
And for anyone who says "but it's just gonna turn into a bidding war and eventually the thing will be selling for 1 gold!" Nobody in their right mind is going to sell a rare, hard-to-get item for 1 gold. Not even bots would do that, it wouldn't be worth the programming time. Yeah, so maybe you were hoping to get 120k for that item, and some dastardly *** son-of-an-expletive decided to list one for 119.9k. Maybe that guy is more desperate for gold than you are and is willing to take a loss in exchange for a quicker sale. So what? Maybe somebody is so desperate for gold because they need to buy some skooma ASAP that they list theirs for 18k. So you know what you do? You buy their 18k product and relist it at 120k. 102k profit for you, and they get the skooma they so desperately need. Win/win.
As for the whole argument of "but rich people will just buy everything and set the prices!" Refer to my argument above. First of all, rich people are already setting the prices. Second of all... let's say we have a "global auction house" (or something similar) and some wealthy tool decides to buy all of product X that is currently selling for say, 5k apiece, and relists them all at 50k apiece... you can still list yours at 5k apiece, and it will sell quickly. You can even list yours at 10k apiece, and they will disappear before you can say the word "profit". So maybe one fat cat idiot is making huge profits by trying to corner the market - how is that any different than what is happening now with the current guild trader system? At least in an open trade system, you can still make your own small profits on the side without having to pay ridiculous fees to some fat cat idiot.
"Why won't this idea just die already? Why dis **** keeps getting necroed?" Because the current system sucks, and it only benefits a small portion of the playerbase, that's why. Yes it is ZOS's game and they can do whatever they want with it. If the guild trader system is here to stay, then it is what it is. But AFAIK, players still have the right to complain about it and suggest an alternative. ToS states that we aren't entitled to a refund, but it doesn't say that we're not allowed to politely ask for changes.3 -
Azuramoonstar✭✭✭✭GreyWolf_79 wrote: »snip
look up ff14 forums sometime. Which people have mention does actually happen. I've played mmo for 10+ years playing
ff14
ff11
WoW
dcuo
Aion
12 MUD
20 F2p korean games including mabinogi and maple story
and I prefer eso over all of them.
AH/MB (auction houses and market boards) are never new player friendly/ People price gouge, or claim you undercut. Getting into the market is even harder as most of the same people try to monopolize products. I've seen economic crashes in ff1 and ff14 that were pretty bad. Not to mention the ease of rmt (real money traders) making and selling currency inflating the marker.
which causes items to be that much more expensive.Long time mmo player: 2004-[current year]
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Avidspark✭✭✭✭Edited by Avidspark on August 4, 2017 6:46AM'Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.'
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GreyWolf_79✭✭✭✭Azuramoonstar wrote: »GreyWolf_79 wrote: »snip
look up ff14 forums sometime. Which people have mention does actually happen. I've played mmo for 10+ years playing
ff14
ff11
WoW
dcuo
Aion
12 MUD
20 F2p korean games including mabinogi and maple story
and I prefer eso over all of them.
AH/MB (auction houses and market boards) are never new player friendly/ People price gouge, or claim you undercut. Getting into the market is even harder as most of the same people try to monopolize products. I've seen economic crashes in ff1 and ff14 that were pretty bad. Not to mention the ease of rmt (real money traders) making and selling currency inflating the marker.
which causes items to be that much more expensive.
Okay, well I have played GW1 and GW2 as well as TERA... IIRC, GW did not have AH or player-controlled traders... trading was all done through chat (PITA that was, but at least it was fair).
AH worked well in TERA, though. YES many people complained about gouging, undercutting, monopolizing, item hoarding, market crashes, etc. etc. etc. Plenty of RMTs exploiting the system (solution: ban the bots, don't throw the baby out with the bathwater). I was able to successfully make a very nice income in TERA by selling through the "trade broker", and no I wasn't a whale or manipulator or professional player, I was just an average casual gamer selling everyday items that I came across.
Even in Guild Wars, I was able to make decent money by selling wanted items via trade chat, though I hated that medium. Yes I realize I can stand in an ESO town and spam area chat with "WTS blah blah blah" and maybe eventually someone will whisper me with some bull**** undercut offer and then try to scam me in the exchange screen by trying to pass off rabbit poop as perfect roe or some such crap...
If I want to sell something in ESO, I either have to stand in town somewhere and spam chat (#1 I hate spammers, and #2 text chat on console sucks [yeah yeah, I know PC master race, but my PC sucks and I'd much rather play ESO on PS4 than drop $2k on a high end gaming rig]) OR I can pay some guild xxxxx gold every week for the great opportunity of being able to sell stuff from one shoddy swap meet table in a remote corner of some scum town. Tell me again how this system is better than all the others.
EDIT: oh and congrats on 10+ years of MMO experience. I started playing the original Guild Wars about 10 or so years ago, so... same. As for video games themselves, I've been playing video games since the early 1980s. Played on original Intellivision, Commodore 64, original NES and original Game Boy.
Not stating this fact for e-peen measuring purposes, just saying it so that you know I'm not some clueless noob who is just pulling opinions out of my ass.Edited by GreyWolf_79 on August 4, 2017 6:55AM0 -
Avidspark✭✭✭✭GreyWolf_79 wrote: »Tell me again how this system is better than all the others.
Because the low end st00f isn't 1 gp over vendor, and the high end st00f isn't cornered by market bullies and only sold for 10 times its worth.
That's how.
Let it die already.
'Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.'
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GreyWolf_79✭✭✭✭GreyWolf_79 wrote: »Tell me again how this system is better than all the others.
Because the low end st00f isn't 1 gp over vendor, and the high end st00f isn't cornered by market bullies and only sold for 10 times its worth.
That's how.
Let it die already.
Okay. Then you realize there are thousands of players with rare items that you'll never see at your precious vendors because they don't belong to any trading guilds, so those rare items will either get deconned or merched just because you didn't want regular players to be able to sell them at whatever price they considered to be reasonable profit. Sure, let it die then.
Edit because stupid autocorrect keeps turning the word "merched" into "marched".Edited by GreyWolf_79 on August 4, 2017 7:05AM0 -
Beardimus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Stop trying to trash things in this game because you are lazy and can't be bothered with them..thats all AH wanting threads are. If ZOS changed all the things people couldn't be bothered with we'd end up with COD or worse.
I swear there was a thread just like this last month. Oh hang on, this is it #Necro #YawnXbox One | EU | EP
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GreyWolf_79✭✭✭✭Stop trying to trash things in this game because you are lazy and can't be bothered with them..thats all AH wanting threads are. If ZOS changed all the things people couldn't be bothered with we'd end up with COD or worse.
I swear there was a thread just like this last month. Oh hang on, this is it #Necro #Yawn
Lazy? I'm sorry, I'm just asking for a fair system that allows all players to sell things. I'm not expecting ZOS to change anything. But calling me "lazy" just because I don't want to pay some monopolistic guild 15k a week to be able to sell an item for 10k... that's not lazy, that's just basic arithmetic.GreyWolf_79 wrote: »Tell me again how this system is better than all the others.
Because the low end st00f isn't 1 gp over vendor, and the high end st00f isn't cornered by market bullies and only sold for 10 times its worth.
That's how.
Let it die already.
And what is any item "worth"? Obviously you've never taken a course in economics. An item is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it. You mention "market bullies" as if such a thing doesn't exist in ESO. Like "thank god we don't have an open marketplace where anyone can list anything at any price, because otherwise unscrupulous traders would just buy all the cheap stuff and sell it at an overinflated price". You don't think that is already happening in this game? You think spreading out and limiting the supply of items is going to make said items more affordable? You don't think that there are professional traders in ESO who already go around to all the trading guilds, buying up all the cheap stuff in order to resell it at "10 times its worth" in their own private little selling stall?
LOL
People are so gullible.
"No one in this world, so far as I know ... has ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the great masses of the plain people."2 -
Scyantific✭✭✭✭✭
✭Went looking for spriggan bracers today, found a pair in some podunk trader in the middle of nowhere, purple quality, for 4k. Current system works.
Well that's my trade nerd story, thanks for reading.0 -
brittany7734Soul ShrivenI think it's ridiculous how much we pay for the game, the memberships, all the addons, expansions, whatever, and in game there is no way that I can sell an item on an auction house without being in a guild that has spent 500k+ to borrow a "trader." And also there needs to be a search function. I will never understand how this is the method of selling and buying things that they've settled on... I don't know in what life this was the best idea that they could come up with. I love Elder Scrolls, I've been playing since I could play games, but their greed is showing lately and it's starting to aggravate me.Edited by brittany7734 on June 25, 2018 3:50PM1 -
I think there should be an auction house, without one there is no real way to create an economy in this game. There needs to be checks and balances and the way that is done is based on many players posting items for sale with a price lower than the next guy who has the same item for sale. This will create a baseline for item value. Furthermore, an auction house can consume many hours in and of itself giving player the ability to do something different in game and just browse items if they wanted to. An auction house is good because it gives players something to strive for when they see items that are unobtainable at their current level hence providing incentive and addiction thus keeping players returning. My biggest point perhaps is that farming is considered a (mini-game) for mmo fans. We want to post our stacks on an auction house and collect gold. Gives us something to do in between big events or to just relax and farm and admire the beautifully created game. Some people just like being filthy rich by farming endlessly and are true auctioneers! Please add this element to the game. Its hurting eso without one.
Please not another post About Action Houses they would make the game empty, I have even discussed with former Blizzard employees why this matter ruins certain aspects of the game in great detail.1 -
Madhattr64✭✭✭An auction house would be more competitive and keep prices from getting over inflated. Someone will always sell an item cheaper driving prices down and within reason.2 -
Soella✭✭✭✭Well, by now we have very good practical answer if AH push prices up or down: tamriel trade center for PC plays similar role, and PC prices are 2-3 times lower than console, and it is consistent for long time. So at least protectors of newbies lost their main argument0 -
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