MLGProPlayer wrote: »

thisisScoMan wrote: »

Please no auction house.

After needing a recipe for a writ last night and checking all the "main vendors" who were selling said recipe for $120k+, I was very happy to go out of my way a bit and find it for $18k.

This would not happen with an auction house. I would be stuck with $120k+.

So you scammed some kid who didn't have access to market tools, smh.

Not a scam. If I list something for sale for $5000 and someone buys it, and I find out later that said item was actually worth $50,000, I didn't get scammed. I got my $5000. Yes, I potentially lost out on $45,000 extra. But I didn't get "scammed". Sellers scam. Buyers can never be considered scammers (unless they're using counterfeit money or something of that nature).

Now, lack of access to market tools... as a console player, we don't have those tools. I have no idea what something is worth unless I check every single trader and compare prices. And even then... let's say I find a low price at trader X, then go to check the other traders... an hour later I come back to trader X, and the item has sold. That's not the lowest price anymore. Now I have to go through all of them again to see what the new "lowest price" is.

Okay, so now that I scolded you, it's time to scold the person you replied to (after all, fair is fair). The person you replied to said they didn't want a global auction house because they were able to find a "sweet deal" without it. Got a "120k" recipe for 18k. Well, guess what? If there was an open global marketplace, that recipe wouldn't be 120k. Someone would post it for 120k, someone else would post it for 119, then someone would post it for 118, etc. Eventually the average going rate would be somewhere in between the ridiculously expensive 120k and the ridiculously cheap 18k.

And for anyone who says "but it's just gonna turn into a bidding war and eventually the thing will be selling for 1 gold!" Nobody in their right mind is going to sell a rare, hard-to-get item for 1 gold. Not even bots would do that, it wouldn't be worth the programming time. Yeah, so maybe you were hoping to get 120k for that item, and some dastardly *** son-of-an-expletive decided to list one for 119.9k. Maybe that guy is more desperate for gold than you are and is willing to take a loss in exchange for a quicker sale. So what? Maybe somebody is so desperate for gold because they need to buy some skooma ASAP that they list theirs for 18k. So you know what you do? You buy their 18k product and relist it at 120k. 102k profit for you, and they get the skooma they so desperately need. Win/win.

As for the whole argument of "but rich people will just buy everything and set the prices!" Refer to my argument above. First of all, rich people are already setting the prices. Second of all... let's say we have a "global auction house" (or something similar) and some wealthy tool decides to buy all of product X that is currently selling for say, 5k apiece, and relists them all at 50k apiece... you can still list yours at 5k apiece, and it will sell quickly. You can even list yours at 10k apiece, and they will disappear before you can say the word "profit". So maybe one fat cat idiot is making huge profits by trying to corner the market - how is that any different than what is happening now with the current guild trader system? At least in an open trade system, you can still make your own small profits on the side without having to pay ridiculous fees to some fat cat idiot.

"Why won't this idea just die already? Why dis **** keeps getting necroed?" Because the current system sucks, and it only benefits a small portion of the playerbase, that's why. Yes it is ZOS's game and they can do whatever they want with it. If the guild trader system is here to stay, then it is what it is. But AFAIK, players still have the right to complain about it and suggest an alternative. ToS states that we aren't entitled to a refund, but it doesn't say that we're not allowed to politely ask for changes.

OpponentSmile66 wrote: »

Indeed.

Let it stay buried already

GreyWolf_79 wrote: »

Tell me again how this system is better than all the others.

Because the low end st00f isn't 1 gp over vendor, and the high end st00f isn't cornered by market bullies and only sold for 10 times its worth.

That's how.

Let it die already.

Stop trying to trash things in this game because you are lazy and can't be bothered with them..thats all AH wanting threads are. If ZOS changed all the things people couldn't be bothered with we'd end up with COD or worse.

I swear there was a thread just like this last month. Oh hang on, this is it #Necro #Yawn

From almost a year ago, made relevant again.

The_Smilemeister wrote: »

An auction house would be more competitive and keep prices from getting over inflated. Someone will always sell an item cheaper driving prices down and within reason.