Are Argonians overperforming?

Cenom · June 2018

I've noticed unkillable DK/Wardens and hard-hitting high sustain Magblades and MagSorc. They are the best tanking race in PvP and arguably the best healer also... Been thinking about it this week.

usmguy1234 · June 2018

Cenom wrote: »

I've noticed unkillable DK/Wardens and hard-hitting high sustain Magblades and MagSorc. They are the best tanking race in PvP and arguably the best healer also... Been thinking about it this week.

Can literally go to full resources with a pop of a tripot. The issue is this sustain is not affected by any status in the game. Op? Compared to other classes as far as sustain goes, yes.

Nyladreas · June 2018

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Cenom wrote: »

I've noticed unkillable DK/Wardens and hard-hitting high sustain Magblades and MagSorc. They are the best tanking race in PvP and arguably the best healer also... Been thinking about it this week.

Can literally go to full resources with a pop of a tripot. The issue is this sustain is not affected by any status in the game. Op? Compared to other classes as far as sustain goes, yes.

Not even resource poisons?

Syiccal · June 2018

yes but at the cost of dmg..so it's a choice either pick high Elf etc for high dmg or argonian and have less dmg but more sustain

Nyladreas · June 2018

Syiccal wrote: »

yes but at the cost of dmg..so it's a choice either pick high Elf etc for high dmg or argonian and have less dmg but more sustain

Can't say I agree with this. The game pretty much IS sustain. You build around it.

coop500 · June 2018

Argonians die like everyone else, high elves are by far the post popular race for a reason.

Koolio · June 2018

Nyladreas wrote: »

Syiccal wrote: »

yes but at the cost of dmg..so it's a choice either pick high Elf etc for high dmg or argonian and have less dmg but more sustain

Can't say I agree with this. The game pretty much IS sustain. You build around it.

On a max magic build for MNB you lose 5k max magic between High Elf and Argonian.

Strider__Roshin · June 2018

Yes they're quite overloaded. 4620 magicka, stamina, and health every time you use a potion, +5% healing received, +5% healing done, immune to poison status effect, immune to defile via disease damage, +9% health, and +3% magicka.

They are the strongest PvP race, the best race for tanking, and the best race for healing.

It's honestly quite astonishing that ZOS made any race this strong. Racial passives as a whole need to be less impactful, but this race especially needs to be toned down.

LadyLavina · June 2018

Cenom wrote: »

I've noticed unkillable DK/Wardens and hard-hitting high sustain Magblades and MagSorc. They are the best tanking race in PvP and arguably the best healer also... Been thinking about it this week.

not remotely

Nyladreas · June 2018

Koolio wrote: »

Nyladreas wrote: »

Syiccal wrote: »

yes but at the cost of dmg..so it's a choice either pick high Elf etc for high dmg or argonian and have less dmg but more sustain

Can't say I agree with this. The game pretty much IS sustain. You build around it.

On a max magic build for MNB you lose 5k max magic between High Elf and Argonian.

I still feel like Argonians are better.

josiahva · June 2018

Nyladreas wrote: »

Syiccal wrote: »

yes but at the cost of dmg..so it's a choice either pick high Elf etc for high dmg or argonian and have less dmg but more sustain

Can't say I agree with this. The game pretty much IS sustain. You build around it.

Not true at all in PvP....you can sustain for hours and still be burst down in a matter of seconds(stamblades are particularly hard hitting with burst damage). Once you live past the initial combo of a stamblade though, it is all about sustain, but as Syiccal pointed out...your burst will suffer if you choose argonian...which probably doesnt matter in a CP campaign...but matters a lot in a non-CP campaign

Komma · June 2018

Some of the other races need reworked. Nerf argonians and you need to nerf high elves and dark elves. They need to improve some of the other races and make them more versatile. Argonians were the bottom dwellers for the first couple years. They are fine.

Asardes · June 2018

I like the fact the Argonians have such strong healing and sustain, especially when I play on my Dunmer DK. I can get more whips on their scaly skin before they fall over, sending back to the plantation to pick saltrice. That's where they belong

Anastian · June 2018

Duh. We can't build a proper stamina character on an Argonian?

I mean... Sure you can try but your stats will ALWAYS be lackluster compared to other classes. All you have is better survivability which allows you to run a bit more damage, but it's still a trade-off between tankiness and damage like for other classes.

Arguing on argonians (no pun intended) feels rather odd, when all the magsorcs are High Elves (dishing out incredible damage and good survivability thanks to huge shields), all the Stamblades are Khajiit or Bosmer, Stamsorcs/Stamden/Stamplars are Orcs or Redguard. To each its own, some races fit better with certain class concepts and that's perfectly fine.

Oh and about the best tanks, try out Imperials, then come back here

I do agree on the fact that Argonians are the best healers though.

Tonturri · June 2018

Yes. Racials are in dire need of rebalancing.

Nevasca · June 2018

I would say other racials are underperforming, and not Argonian overperforming. They trade damage for their tankyness + sustain.

There are races that don't give you neither damage, sustain or tankyness enough to compare to other races. Breton, for example, has just a bit better sustain than High Elf but loses a significant amount of damage for it.

idk · June 2018

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Cenom wrote: »

I've noticed unkillable DK/Wardens and hard-hitting high sustain Magblades and MagSorc. They are the best tanking race in PvP and arguably the best healer also... Been thinking about it this week.

Can literally go to full resources with a pop of a tripot.

True if they are not empty on resources but the same can be said of any race. Hardly enough to go to full resources if empty unless someone is playing with a very bad build.

Kuramas9tails · June 2018

I have voiced my opinion on this many times on the forum. The whole race passives need an overhaul imo. There's too much dependence on the passives of races that it has created a very bland universe.

Nevasca · June 2018

Kuramas9tails wrote: »

I have voiced my opinion on this many times on the forum. The whole race passives need an overhaul imo. There's too much dependence on the passives of races that it has created a very bland universe.

I don't agree with that. Having Racials being important for your build is not necessarily a bad thing, unless racials are unbalanced, which they are. We have Races like Nord, Breton, Khajiit and Imperial that are overshadowed by the other races because they do the same, but better and sometimes even more.

Solariken · June 2018

The passives are good, but IMO not overpowered. The potion passive is really only exceptional in noCP because it helps recover from burst and offset the metric frickton of stamina that break/sprint/block/roll cost.

In CP applications Argonian is far from BiS on most builds IMO, tank/block builds being the obvious exception.

DuskMarine · June 2018

Cenom wrote: »

I've noticed unkillable DK/Wardens and hard-hitting high sustain Magblades and MagSorc. They are the best tanking race in PvP and arguably the best healer also... Been thinking about it this week.

their not overperforming at least not anymore with recent changes. their not as good as redguards or khajits for dps or tanks. u can do alot better with them than argonians. the only good thing about that is the tripot you remove that argonian is garbage.

exeeter702 · June 2018

I never thought id see the day.......

p00tx · June 2018

If you're able to refill your resources with one potion, you may not have your attribute/skill points allocated properly.

LadyNalcarya · June 2018

Yes, they have the most powerful racials for pvp, tanking and healing.
I personally think that race should be less important.

Daus wrote: »

Yes they're quite overloaded. 4620 magicka, stamina, and health every time you use a potion, +5% healing received, +5% healing done, immune to poison status effect, immune to defile via disease damage, +9% health, and +3% magicka.

They are the strongest PvP race, the best race for tanking, and the best race for healing.

It's honestly quite astonishing that ZOS made any race this strong. Racial passives as a whole need to be less impactful, but this race especially needs to be toned down.

This, pretty much.

mb10 · June 2018

When Argonians are debatably the BiS for a stamina warden then you know the class is ridiculous.

I'm strongly considering to change my mag nb from high elf to Argonian.

The elemental effect passive doesn't even help nightblade skills, as they're all Magic damage. I'll lose 6% magicka and 9% magicka recovery for:

9% max health
5% healing taken AND healing done
Immunity to poison and disease
And a ridiculous amount of sustain when I drink a pot

Cenom · June 2018

mb10 wrote: »

When Argonians are debatably the BiS for a stamina warden then you know the class is ridiculous.

I'm strongly considering to change my mag nb from high elf to Argonian.

The elemental effect passive doesn't even help nightblade skills, as they're all Magic damage. I'll lose 6% magicka and 9% magicka recovery for:

9% max health
5% healing taken AND healing done
Immunity to poison and disease
And a ridiculous amount of sustain when I drink a pot

Yeah... I've heard in the last tournament duel of "Legends" there were 4 mNB argonians as finalists... One of the reasons I started thinking about it either..

G1Countdown · June 2018

Well now that you mention it, I do have an unusually large bag capacity. Perhaps my Argonian leather carrying bag IS overperforming!

Ohtimbar · June 2018

this is why we can't have nice things

Cenom · June 2018

Ohtimbar wrote: »

this is why we can't have nice things

We all deserve good things =P

DuskMarine · June 2018

Cenom wrote: »

Ohtimbar wrote: »

this is why we can't have nice things

We all deserve good things =P

the thing is argonians dont even overperform. sure they can tank for a while wanna put that passive to bed use a increase cost poison and hit them with at least 10% into recovery drain from cp will instantly put down a argonian anything in seconds cause they cant keep up.

Nerdrage9000 · June 2018

ARGONIAN MASTER RACE. TINA TURNER WROTE THAT SONG ABOUT US.

Either your an Arg, or you want to be.