lets boycott 2h melee weapons altogether and see if they do anything about it

Should made the two hander splashed damage from light or heavy crit again if they nerfed that.

As far as I’m aware, 2h was pretty strong pre-Summerset. Even now using a 2h is sometimes a better stat buff than using a staff for magicka or dw for stam.
The buff to 2h weapons in general did affect melee 2h, I reckon the nerf to LA/HA was to make sure it stays in line with other weapons.
This was argued to death on the PTS and the general consensus was that all the changes to weapons were pretty balanced.

Remember that the channeled heavy attack on staves is only for lightning / Resto and with Summerset and changes to off balance, inferno is now stronger, meaning for strongest dps peeps have to run inferno = no channeled attacks. Fire heavy feels slower than melee 2h heavy imo. Also weaving with staves is clunkier than melee weaps, and I’m saying this as a magsorc main, 2nd character magblade, 3rd being stamknight

Harvall wrote: »

gnarlyvandal wrote: »

the nerf to LA/HA was to make sure it stays in line with other weapons.

But the whole point is it should not be in line with other weapons. one handed have defense buff from shield, bows and staves are ranged and dual wield is glass cannon type (or it should be because you should have severe debuff to blocking with DW) All weapons have something going for them and Two-handed is even more useless now, ppl only use it for buffs if use at all.

gnarlyvandal wrote: »

inferno is now stronger, meaning for strongest dps peeps have to run inferno = no channeled attacks. Fire heavy feels slower than melee 2h heavy imo. Also weaving with staves is clunkier than melee weaps

DPS staff users already were OP because of damage and range and now they are even more buffed, staff heavy was sped up several times over the past time and is not slow at all. and as i said, they still have range. Weabiing is not clunkier, animations in staff are faster so you see them when weaving when in melee weapon you don't see them as much or even not at all.

“Should not be in line with other weapons”? So 2h melee in your opinion should do more damage than every other weapon? If we’re arguing what ‘feels right’, seems to me that fire and lightning should do more generic damage than a sword tbh. I mean, it IS magic, but we’re not here to discuss feels

The buffs on 2h are strong, and using 2h for those buffs doesn’t make the option terrible. Self healing, chase down and damage in one skill like, not to mention reverse slash is pretty much a slightly weaker execute that you can use for twice as long (from 50% hp, rather than 25%).

As a stam noob (me, *waves*), 2h is easier to play than dw for (same as above:) healing, chase down and damage.

And although I said previously, remember 2h also received a buff counting as 2 piece for sets, rather than 1 piece. 2h melee was apparently overperforming pre-Summerset (just from what I’ve seen posted on other threads). So yeah, your basic attacks have slightly reduced damage, but I’m pretty sure the 5-5-2 set up more than makes up for it

One last thing, magicka users pretty much HAVE to use destro staff, Stam users have more variety. Wanna use a 2h melee and complaining about lack of range? Use a bow on your backbar... there are useful stam skills there. If a magicka user was to use 2h they *might* have higher spell damage than using a staff, but have no options for magicka morphs, relying on class skills only.
That butthurts a lot more than a minuscule (and it is small) dps reduction to basic attacks you’re probably not even using to kill with.

Harvall wrote: »

The root of my problem is this.

Yeah, we get 2 set bonus, but staves also. 2h is like ridiculous option for pve, gives least dps and staves were overpowered already. 2h was nerfed on both light and heavy attack and staves buffed on light and heavy. No logic here. PVP looks the same. Staves are OP and have range 2h is meh and used only for buffs, nobody attacks with it. I really don''t want to repeat myself. I have a hard time believeing that 2h was OP in pvp, and i don;t know where those ppl come from that say it outperformen in pvp but if it really did, than there are dozens ways to make it more balanced instead of nerfing its damage. For example simple 2h buff change and no one is buffing enymore.

Other than that, YES 2h should do more damage that almost every other weapon. Come on ppl, its basic RPG science

Dual Wield - because of close combat - 1st in damage, but penalty to defense.(in original TES you could not block with DW)
2 handed - because of close combat, and slow attacks - 2nd in damage
Bow/Destro Staff - 3rd in damage, because it has range advantage
Sword and shield - it's close combat but 3rd in damage like staves because has defense buff
Resto staff - 4th in damage, (i think everyone will agree here, healers are for healing not damage)

(In voice of Khajiit. )

This one knows.

Cause ESO Combat director is main MagSorc player. He dont even know melee already have disadvantage