As a CP pvpers, what options do we have? Please englighten me
amir412
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I'm forcing myself to think that us, CP pvpers, have a part in this game, But it seems like we clearly dont.
Think about it,
We have few options after work to play ESO PVP:
* Cyrodill - Vivec prime time, 180-250 ping in a good day.
* Cyrodill - Shor, Roleplay campaign, no one to fight, ENDLESS riding.
* Imperial City - Lols.
* Battleground - No cp, no place for me there, and beside, imo most unbalanced gameplay.
* Duels - Only place in EU is at alikr desert, which has the most aids builds out there to duel, not fun for me or any1 else.
So tell me, do CP pvpers have place in this game?
Think about it,
We have few options after work to play ESO PVP:
* Cyrodill - Vivec prime time, 180-250 ping in a good day.
* Cyrodill - Shor, Roleplay campaign, no one to fight, ENDLESS riding.
* Imperial City - Lols.
* Battleground - No cp, no place for me there, and beside, imo most unbalanced gameplay.
* Duels - Only place in EU is at alikr desert, which has the most aids builds out there to duel, not fun for me or any1 else.
So tell me, do CP pvpers have place in this game?
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MalcolM24✭✭✭✭Ye that's why I usually just log off at 7pm x) Got more fun things to do after that. Having a good time before prime time (lag) kicks in though.PvP Guides & Builds
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✭There is no option for us. I come Home 6pm, cyro already laggy. No point for me to log in.0 -
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✭✭✭✭Yeah, I often avoid the height of primetime, but am now finding the 'small-scale' play after midnight more and more toxic so log in less and less.Minalan owes me a beer.
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Jimmy_The_Fixer✭✭✭✭✭No-CP is much better, you can actually sustain someone down by getting their resources to 0 and there's fewer infinite stalemates that last until someone falls asleep.Edited by Jimmy_The_Fixer on June 21, 2018 7:55AM5
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✭Jimmy_The_Fixer wrote: »No-CP is much better, you can actually sustain someone down by getting their resources to 0 and there's fewer infinite stalemates that last until someone falls asleep.
Ye, i bet getting 7k skoria procs and sloads + master bleeds are very fun in no cp too.
I rather fall a sleep than dying to sets.
Edited by amir412 on June 21, 2018 7:57AMPC | EU | AD | "@Saidden"| 1700 CP|8 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Obligatory CP ruined ESO comment.
Those sadly are your options. Hopefully now BG are base game though ZOS will see a population increase enough to offer both CP and No-CP modes.@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
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glavius✭✭✭✭✭Jimmy_The_Fixer wrote: »No-CP is much better, you can actually sustain someone down by getting their resources to 0 and there's fewer infinite stalemates that last until someone falls asleep.
Ye, i bet getting 7k skoria procs and sloads + master bleeds are very fun in no cp too.
I rather fall a sleep than dying to sets.
Skoria has a base value of 9000. So highest you will get hit for is about half that if you play naked. After mitigation it probably hits me for 3-3,5k, abit higher if enemy has alot of +fire dmg or +20%dmg from soul harvest up.
Not saying proc sets aren't strong on no cp, they are. But no more unbalanced than amplified defile is on cp.
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✭As a cp lover myself (1vXing is just so much more viable in vivec), I do have to admit that sotha would not be THAT bad if it wouldn't bring you back to 1T when you step into it. Because of lag and changes to my schedule, I switched to that campaign 3-4 months ago and I still have to die without seeing at least one viper/skoria/selene's/veli/redmountain/caluurion/sload's/younameit in my death recap. The campaign is a proc-fest unfortunately, yet it is the only one not always lagging and is alive in prime time.
But hey, cp environments have been like this since cheat engine detector patch (?), I got used to simply not play PvP in prime time anymore.0 -
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✭Jimmy_The_Fixer wrote: »No-CP is much better, you can actually sustain someone down by getting their resources to 0 and there's fewer infinite stalemates that last until someone falls asleep.
Ye, i bet getting 7k skoria procs and sloads + master bleeds are very fun in no cp too.
I rather fall a sleep than dying to sets.
Skoria has a base value of 9000. So highest you will get hit for is about half that if you play naked. After mitigation it probably hits me for 3-3,5k, abit higher if enemy has alot of +fire dmg or +20%dmg from soul harvest up.
Not saying proc sets aren't strong on no cp, they are. But no more unbalanced than amplified defile is on cp.
Okay did i got hit by a 5.5 k skoria on a non vamp char? Should be impossible right?0 -
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✭Jimmy_The_Fixer wrote: »No-CP is much better, you can actually sustain someone down by getting their resources to 0 and there's fewer infinite stalemates that last until someone falls asleep.
Ye, i bet getting 7k skoria procs and sloads + master bleeds are very fun in no cp too.
I rather fall a sleep than dying to sets.
Skoria has a base value of 9000. So highest you will get hit for is about half that if you play naked. After mitigation it probably hits me for 3-3,5k, abit higher if enemy has alot of +fire dmg or +20%dmg from soul harvest up.
Not saying proc sets aren't strong on no cp, they are. But no more unbalanced than amplified defile is on cp.
Okay did i got hit by a 5.5 k skoria on a non vamp char? Should be impossible right?
Doesnt even worth to explain, scrubs will remain scrubs.Edited by amir412 on June 21, 2018 12:00PMPC | EU | AD | "@Saidden"| 1700 CP|0 -
glavius✭✭✭✭✭Jimmy_The_Fixer wrote: »No-CP is much better, you can actually sustain someone down by getting their resources to 0 and there's fewer infinite stalemates that last until someone falls asleep.
Ye, i bet getting 7k skoria procs and sloads + master bleeds are very fun in no cp too.
I rather fall a sleep than dying to sets.
Skoria has a base value of 9000. So highest you will get hit for is about half that if you play naked. After mitigation it probably hits me for 3-3,5k, abit higher if enemy has alot of +fire dmg or +20%dmg from soul harvest up.
Not saying proc sets aren't strong on no cp, they are. But no more unbalanced than amplified defile is on cp.
Okay did i got hit by a 5.5 k skoria on a non vamp char? Should be impossible right?
Dumner nightblade using incap/soul harvest and you being debuffed to near 0 resists should just about do it.Edited by glavius on June 21, 2018 12:16PM1 -
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✭✭LoL at people saying Non-CP is more balanced/ better than CP.
I mean must be fun having every encounter being decided by procs, poisons or who can stack more cancer and you better hope to haven't had a fight in the last 45 seconds because if you had you're SOL my friend.
There is no place for good CP PvP, i hope BGs become CP based once again those were truly golden times when fights could be won by skill rather than the complete reliance on procs.
How much fun it was ripping all viper+selene stamnbs apart in CP BGs when they couldn't crutch on them any further5 -
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✭Jimmy_The_Fixer wrote: »No-CP is much better, you can actually sustain someone down by getting their resources to 0 and there's fewer infinite stalemates that last until someone falls asleep.
Ye, i bet getting 7k skoria procs and sloads + master bleeds are very fun in no cp too.
I rather fall a sleep than dying to sets.
Skoria has a base value of 9000. So highest you will get hit for is about half that if you play naked. After mitigation it probably hits me for 3-3,5k, abit higher if enemy has alot of +fire dmg or +20%dmg from soul harvest up.
Not saying proc sets aren't strong on no cp, they are. But no more unbalanced than amplified defile is on cp.
Okay did i got hit by a 5.5 k skoria on a non vamp char? Should be impossible right?
Dumner nightblade using incap/soul harvest and you being debuffed to near 0 resists should just about do it.
Resist doesnt matter. Normal tooltip is 9k and battlespirit cuts this in half. To 4.5. No matter my resist. And with my resist and cp allocation it should be even less. So again. Explain me how it can hit for 5.5k
And 5.5k hit from a stupid monster set every 5-10 seconds is completly broken. Its a free ultimate for doing nothing besides placing a dot on your target. Balance
Edited by Gnozo on June 21, 2018 1:01PM3 -
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✭Dunmer passive, Minor Berserk and Death Stroke debuff can increase its dmg by up to 35% and 4,5*1,35=6k (assuming those boni are additive and calculated after battle spirit. Not entirely sure if that's actually the case, different calculations could result in higher dmg).
Edit: Forgot Minor Vulnerability, which can add another 8%.Edited by Rianai on June 21, 2018 1:10PM0 -
glavius✭✭✭✭✭Jimmy_The_Fixer wrote: »No-CP is much better, you can actually sustain someone down by getting their resources to 0 and there's fewer infinite stalemates that last until someone falls asleep.
Ye, i bet getting 7k skoria procs and sloads + master bleeds are very fun in no cp too.
I rather fall a sleep than dying to sets.
Skoria has a base value of 9000. So highest you will get hit for is about half that if you play naked. After mitigation it probably hits me for 3-3,5k, abit higher if enemy has alot of +fire dmg or +20%dmg from soul harvest up.
Not saying proc sets aren't strong on no cp, they are. But no more unbalanced than amplified defile is on cp.
Okay did i got hit by a 5.5 k skoria on a non vamp char? Should be impossible right?
Dumner nightblade using incap/soul harvest and you being debuffed to near 0 resists should just about do it.
Resist doesnt matter. Normal tooltip is 9k and battlespirit cuts this in half. To 4.5. No matter my resist. And with my resist and cp allocation it should be even less. So again. Explain me how it can hit for 5.5k
And 5.5k hit from a stupid monster set every 5-10 seconds is completly broken. Its a free ultimate for doing nothing besides placing a dot on your target. Balance
+20% from incap/soul harvest and +7% fire dmg from dunmer racial. 4500*1,27=5715.
Also, we are talking no cp, so your cp allocation doesn't matter... Now on cp, you can reach alot higher values if your opponent is low cp or simply placed his defensive cp wrong.Edited by glavius on June 21, 2018 1:08PM1 -
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✭6k hit every 5-10 seconds for putting on monster set while my leap/dawnbreaker needs at least 30-60 seconds to charge up and hits for 5k. Awwwwwww Balance 1 -
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He's not wrong. They just need to give certain balance options and changes. Otherwise you need to delete CP entirely from PvP to stop the power creep.Minno - DC - Forum-plar Extraordinaire
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✭✭The "problem" with CP pvp is mostly a lack of diminishing returns issue.
They never should have removed soft caps from game... But, they did so what we are left with is the opportunity to stack certain thing beyond reason.
Most of the time there isn't much an issue in CP pvp, but the oddity of people that go all in on certain things creates an imbalance that mostly can not be countered past doing the same thing.
An example (and it's just an easy example, not an indictment of magicka sorcs) is the magicka stacking Sorcerer. Insane shields, insane damage... if you aren't built to survive they will kill you with curse, rune cage and a frag proc/overload (which, is not so easy to "avoid"). When softcaps were in place, the extreme examples of stacking a stat didn't gain power exponentially.
I just have found that No CP acts as a bit of soft cap which yields it being a bit more balanced.
Bring back soft caps, eliminate No CP, rework the pvp servers into time zone servers (West Coast/Pacific, Central, East Coast/Atlantic).1 -
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✭Jimmy_The_Fixer wrote: »No-CP is much better, you can actually sustain someone down by getting their resources to 0 and there's fewer infinite stalemates that last until someone falls asleep.
Ye, i bet getting 7k skoria procs and sloads + master bleeds are very fun in no cp too.
I rather fall a sleep than dying to sets.
Those sets will kill you in CP PvP as well1 -
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✭✭thankyourat wrote: »Jimmy_The_Fixer wrote: »No-CP is much better, you can actually sustain someone down by getting their resources to 0 and there's fewer infinite stalemates that last until someone falls asleep.
Ye, i bet getting 7k skoria procs and sloads + master bleeds are very fun in no cp too.
I rather fall a sleep than dying to sets.
Those sets will kill you in CP PvP as well
They still have less effects in CP, they're still too strong but with more sustain, more damage and better survivability vs up front burst you have more ways to win of you know what you're doing0 -
ezeepeezee✭✭✭✭I recently put sload's, skoria, master DW and bone pirate on my stamDK for BGs.
I don't even feel like I'm trying. It's broken.0 -
Ender1310✭✭✭✭Stuns and stun immunity. I should say lack of it. Single greatest pvp killer to me. You break free only to be stunned by some bodies stupid button mash.1 -
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✭✭✭No CP is super slow paced and fotm gear is even more important than in CP pvp and that's the reason why I dislike it so much.I used to think that PvP was a tragedy, but now I realize, it's a comedy.0 -
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✭✭✭Jimmy_The_Fixer wrote: »No-CP is much better, you can actually sustain someone down by getting their resources to 0 and there's fewer infinite stalemates that last until someone falls asleep.
Ye, i bet getting 7k skoria procs and sloads + master bleeds are very fun in no cp too.
I rather fall a sleep than dying to sets.
Skoria has a base value of 9000. So highest you will get hit for is about half that if you play naked. After mitigation it probably hits me for 3-3,5k, abit higher if enemy has alot of +fire dmg or +20%dmg from soul harvest up.
Not saying proc sets aren't strong on no cp, they are. But no more unbalanced than amplified defile is on cp.
Okay did i got hit by a 5.5 k skoria on a non vamp char? Should be impossible right?
Dumner nightblade using incap/soul harvest and you being debuffed to near 0 resists should just about do it.
Resist doesnt matter. Normal tooltip is 9k and battlespirit cuts this in half. To 4.5. No matter my resist. And with my resist and cp allocation it should be even less. So again. Explain me how it can hit for 5.5k
And 5.5k hit from a stupid monster set every 5-10 seconds is completly broken. Its a free ultimate for doing nothing besides placing a dot on your target. Balance
Multiple dots, which unless you are are running bleeds/sloads, are often very low damage, meta is still bursty.
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✭Ragnaroek93 wrote: »No CP is super slow paced and fotm gear is even more important than in CP pvp and that's the reason why I dislike it so much.
Slow paced??
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