As a CP pvpers, what options do we have? Please englighten me

amir412

WOW WOW WOW, This isnt a freaking CP or NO CP thread.
This is about that its 19:00 here, and i already logged off cyro because of 250 ping.
Before that i had a blast with some friends. Keep discussing that instead no cp/ cp ***, i dont care what way u like to pvp, each individual has its own taste.
The issue is bigger here.

rfennell_ESO

amir412 wrote: »

WOW WOW WOW, This isnt a freaking CP or NO CP thread.
This is about that its 19:00 here, and i already logged off cyro because of 250 ping.
Before that i had a blast with some friends. Keep discussing that instead no cp/ cp ***, i dont care what way u like to pvp, each individual has its own taste.
The issue is bigger here.

Ultimately, splitting up the population between No CP and CP has been the issue.

Balancing out the load by eliminating that division and reorganizing pvp servers is *a* solution.

LittlePinkDot

I hate no cp. The sustain is terrible. Without cp zos might as well just delete most of the sets in the game since nobody will have enough sustain to wear them. 64 cp into mooncalf/arcanist is minimum to make this game playable. Even overland sucks without cp. Nobody should ever have to heavy attack, Most slow, boring repetitive mechanic ever.

CatchMeTrolling

LittlePinkDot wrote: »

I hate no cp. The sustain is terrible. Without cp zos might as well just delete most of the sets in the game since nobody will have enough sustain to wear them. 64 cp into mooncalf/arcanist is minimum to make this game playable. Even overland sucks without cp. Nobody should ever have to heavy attack, Most slow, boring repetitive mechanic ever.

Your sustain for the most part is a reflection of your experience in no cp. It's not as bad as people make it out to be.

If you're experienced enough, you can run multiple damage sets or proc sets and be completely fine because damage is really high in no cp. Don't need the sustain if you're killing someone in one rotation. The good player's or players that's better are the ones that will give you trouble with a setup like that.

idk

Considering Cyrodiil has been the main stay of PvP since the game launched and all but one +50 campaign is CP (OP kinda skewed that) it seems good.

Zos tried CP BGs and they clearly did not like how they saw it. For a solid PvP player it should not really matter. Some minor tweaks and GTG.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

amir412 wrote: »

Gprime31 wrote: »

I wish all pvp was no cp much more balanced

Then u are clueless.

And you are unpleasant...

_Ahala_

Both CP Cyrodiil and Duels and No CP Cyrodiil and Battlegrounds have different problems and different arrangements of class imbalance... Most important thing here is if your having fun or not... If you are, Great! If you aren’t, try another build, play with a small group of good friends, or play a different game. The point is to have fun, is it not?

brandonv516

amir412 wrote: »

WOW WOW WOW, This isnt a freaking CP or NO CP thread.
This is about that its 19:00 here, and i already logged off cyro because of 250 ping.
Before that i had a blast with some friends. Keep discussing that instead no cp/ cp ***, i dont care what way u like to pvp, each individual has its own taste.
The issue is bigger here.

But no CP is better than CP .

You are most definitely not out of options. It looks like you found an option by logging off!

Brutusmax1mus

Turelus wrote: »

Obligatory CP ruined ESO comment.

Those sadly are your options. Hopefully now BG are base game though ZOS will see a population increase enough to offer both CP and No-CP modes.

I did random que today, 4 bgs in a row with the exact same ppl. I'm afraid mmr has ruined the fun for me.

Soris

_Ahala_ wrote: »

Both CP Cyrodiil and Duels and No CP Cyrodiil and Battlegrounds have different problems and different arrangements of class imbalance... Most important thing here is if your having fun or not... If you are, Great! If you aren’t, try another build, play with a small group of good friends, or play a different game. The point is to have fun, is it not?

You can have a lot of fun in real life zombie apocalipse too but that doesn't change the fact that the world is f***ed up. The point here is not only having fun but creating a healthy game enviroment for all modes which is what all the fuss is about.
Neglecting problems and just trying to have fun with whatever fotm gear/skill and exploiting the sh*t all the way is not the right thing imo. Because you're not fixing anything by doing this. Same problem arises in every big patch and it always starts all over again. Soon they will nerf certain things which isn't a surprise because it's always nerf-buff-nerf-buff. Then another unbalanced mechanic will be added to game in the next big update.
It's a loophole ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
And it must me overcame by zos by giving the right cure, not the cancer!

Mihael

so your problem is with proc sets not no cp maybe you are barking at the wrong tree

Mihael

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

No CP is super slow paced and fotm gear is even more important than in CP pvp and that's the reason why I dislike it so much.

how many stam players you see running seventh fury in no cp lol

time to kill is the slowest in no cp thats literally the only reason they made bgs no cp so I dont get how you find it slow paced

_Ahala_

Soris wrote: »

_Ahala_ wrote: »

Both CP Cyrodiil and Duels and No CP Cyrodiil and Battlegrounds have different problems and different arrangements of class imbalance... Most important thing here is if your having fun or not... If you are, Great! If you aren’t, try another build, play with a small group of good friends, or play a different game. The point is to have fun, is it not?

You can have a lot of fun in real life zombie apocalipse too but that doesn't change the fact that the world is f***ed up. The point here is not only having fun but creating a healthy game enviroment for all modes which is what all the fuss is about.
Neglecting problems and just trying to have fun with whatever fotm gear/skill and exploiting the sh*t all the way is not the right thing imo. Because you're not fixing anything by doing this. Same problem arises in every big patch and it always starts all over again. Soon they will nerf certain things which isn't a surprise because it's always nerf-buff-nerf-buff. Then another unbalanced mechanic will be added to game in the next big update.
It's a loophole ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
And it must me overcame by zos by giving the right cure, not the cancer!

I’m not really advocating having fun at the expense of others through the use of broken op sets and classes... I play a non sloads non healer magden for small scale pvp and have fun with it if that says anything... all I’m saying is that no cp pvp and cp pvp both have theirs pros and cons and that neither is superior... But yes I agree, every big patch had its op nonsense that people exploited in pvp and the use of these broken setups plus the unwillingness of zos to quickly respond to many game breaking performance issues and pvp imbalances has really hurt the health of the eso pvp community and has led to a considerable increase in toxicity... But in the end it’s just a game and people will play only if they enjoy it and will quit if they don’t... It’s on zos to make it fun and worth playing if they want to keep making money off it

Waffennacht

CP pvp has OW Cyrodiil only

No CP PvP has OW Cyrodiil and BGs.

Clearly no CP is the way to go (more action available)

Lol.

Both seem like they could have more availability. If BGs became CP again, then I'd lean for CP. But as is, no CP is the way for me

Yusuf

Why is Shor so empty anyways? There's a perfectly good campaign just waiting for players to join.

CatchMeTrolling

For the longest the game revolved around cp pvp , no cp really only has bgs because there’s not many in open world no cp. it barely gets one bar unless it’s an event going on. So I think it’s misleading to act like the majority of the pvp population isn’t in cp pvp.

LuxLunae

amir412 wrote: »

I'm forcing myself to think that us, CP pvpers, have a part in this game, But it seems like we clearly dont.

Think about it,
We have few options after work to play ESO PVP:

* Cyrodill - Vivec prime time, 180-250 ping in a good day.
* Cyrodill - Shor, Roleplay campaign, no one to fight, ENDLESS riding.
* Imperial City - Lols.
* Battleground - No cp, no place for me there, and beside, imo most unbalanced gameplay.
* Duels - Only place in EU is at alikr desert, which has the most aids builds out there to duel, not fun for me or any1 else.

So tell me, do CP pvpers have place in this game?

Have you tried the PVE challenges? I sometimes take 6 mo hiatus from pvp to do pve waiting for rebalancings etc. I do pop in pvp from time to time but not always during the hiatus.

Dredlord

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

amir412 wrote: »

Gprime31 wrote: »

I wish all pvp was no cp much more balanced

Then u are clueless.

And you are unpleasant...

BURN....

amir412

Dredlord wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

amir412 wrote: »

Gprime31 wrote: »

I wish all pvp was no cp much more balanced

Then u are clueless.

And you are unpleasant...

BURN....

So burned i got lost in life.
Grow up kid.

Darkmage1337

All I have to say about "non-CP PvP" is: what was the point of getting to 750+ CP if YOU NEVER GET TO USE IT. 'Nuff said.
CP-enabled PvP is far better and more diverse than the fake-damage skill-less proc-set flavor-of-the-month non-CP PvP.

TL;DR:

CP-enabled PvP > Non-CP PvP
Far more build diversity in CP-enabled PvP.

CP-enabled Battlegrounds need to be brought back, in a separate queue from non-CP, so the plebs can still have their proc-fest, lmao.

amir412

Darkmage1337 wrote: »

All I have to say about "non-CP PvP" is: what was the point of getting to 750+ CP if YOU NEVER GET TO USE IT. 'Nuff said.
CP-enabled PvP is far better and more diverse than the fake-damage skill-less proc-set flavor-of-the-month non-CP PvP.

TL;DR:

CP-enabled PvP > Non-CP PvP
Far more build diversity in CP-enabled PvP.

CP-enabled Battlegrounds need to be brought back, in a separate queue from non-CP, so the plebs can still have their proc-fest, lmao.

Those are exactly my thoughts, cheers to u.

CatchMeTrolling

Darkmage1337 wrote: »

All I have to say about "non-CP PvP" is: what was the point of getting to 750+ CP if YOU NEVER GET TO USE IT. 'Nuff said.
CP-enabled PvP is far better and more diverse than the fake-damage skill-less proc-set flavor-of-the-month non-CP PvP.

TL;DR:

CP-enabled PvP > Non-CP PvP
Far more build diversity in CP-enabled PvP.

CP-enabled Battlegrounds need to be brought back, in a separate queue from non-CP, so the plebs can still have their proc-fest, lmao.

The part about build diversity isn’t actually true , you can use more of the sets in the game in no cp than you can in cp. whether people choose to do so is an entirely different story. There’s just about as much build “diversity” in cp as it is in no cp, everyone is running the same group of sets. Trying to make it seem like there’s 20 different sets being used in cp is ludicrous. When in reality the same sets(including proc sets) are being used in both, except there’s sets that you can only run in no cp.

Both cp and no cp is filled with skill-less nonsense.