The lack of Culanda Lacquer will negatively impact Summerset housing

Smitch_59 · June 2018

anadandy wrote: »

Carbonised wrote: »

Just did the 3 Summerset dailies, and only got 1 Culanda drop. One of the many, many faults in the shoddy implementation of this.
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Same. The drop rate for patterns is decent but you can't make anything.

Yep. Culanda lacquer is far too rare.

TheNuminous1 · June 2018

Linaleah wrote: »

TheNuminous1 wrote: »

lol I love how yall are complaining about 3k laquer when so far on console they are aversging 10-15k each!

we are not complaining about the price. we are complaining about the rarity that causes aforementioned price. also, bear in mind, PC had a head start, and its STILL pricey because its such an unreliable pain to farm.

the only people I can see defending this nonsense are people who are not into housing themselves, and just like to profit of its rarity. and to you I say... highly painful suggestion of "where to go and what to do with yourselves" redacted.

Im a housing lunatic. I dont even have it in me to go over the case and point on that fact.

but im ok with the culanda laquer situation. makes me do dailies and spend time in summerset. the recipes drop more even if it takes me awhile longer to actually craft the item. and it makes me spend more time yearning and earning instead of instant gratification.

PandaPlasm · June 2018

SantieClaws wrote: »

This may best be summarised as saying that when life in Tamriel, or any particular aspect of the life, becomes more of a chore than a joy then it is in danger of ceasing to be appealing.

We live to discover new things, to be rewarded proportionally for the tasks we complete, to relax by our fishponds, to relax by stabbing elves or stabbing giant chickens.

Life in Tamriel should not feel like a job on an assembly line no. Do this, get this, repeat, do this get this, repeat.

Building a chair or two should not be so difficult.

We are not asking for all the world at our feet with no effort - of course not. Just to be able to do the things we enjoy without doing so much of things that we cease to enjoy after doing them 20 times already.

If the lacquer dropped from kills, if it could be found in ore nodes, fished up, found in chests, obtained from deconstruction, even in wardrobes - that would be a little better than this doing the same thing over and over again.

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

Precisely. I haven't even been able to craft any furniture for myself, and I've been doing the dailies every day. It's not fun. I was excited for Summerset furniture, until I realized I can only craft 1 item a day, and that's if I get lucky.
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I seriously hope ZOS does something about this, because it's a bottleneck. I seriously hope they reverse this, and allow us to craft with adamantite. If not that, make culanda lacquer actually accessible. A *possible* chance at 3 a day is not viable. Maybe we can get a developer response here?

anadandy · June 2018

TheNuminous1 wrote: »

Im a housing lunatic. I dont even have it in me to go over the case and point on that fact.

but im ok with the culanda laquer situation. makes me do dailies and spend time in summerset. the recipes drop more even if it takes me awhile longer to actually craft the item. and it makes me spend more time yearning and earning instead of instant gratification.

Again, I don't think anyone is asking for "instant gratification". I am fine with drawing it out, and taking my time but...

The game has been out just under a month, and I've done the dailies every day on two characters (I know, I'm a slacker) and I have a whopping 20 lacquers in my inventory. I made two things - a pillar and a rug - so I had 24.

Twenty four. Approximately one a day for doing three dailies - delves being fairly easy, WB not so bad if you can get a group up (harder to do now that the "new" has worn off) and geysers which is a sit around a wait festival. That's just bad ROI.

Jaraal · June 2018

Not only the Culanda lacquer, but some Summerset furnishings take multiple zircon grains. I saw a zircon based cup that costs 11,800 gold to make.

Why introduce such awesome new furnishings, and then make it so very few even attempt to make them?

Linaleah · June 2018

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

TheNuminous1 wrote: »

lol I love how yall are complaining about 3k laquer when so far on console they are aversging 10-15k each!

we are not complaining about the price. we are complaining about the rarity that causes aforementioned price. also, bear in mind, PC had a head start, and its STILL pricey because its such an unreliable pain to farm.

the only people I can see defending this nonsense are people who are not into housing themselves, and just like to profit of its rarity. and to you I say... highly painful suggestion of "where to go and what to do with yourselves" redacted.

3-6k per item is not a lot. Let's say you use 100 of them. That's 300-600k. Housing is an expensive hobby in this game. An extra couple hundred thousand gold isn't a big deal.

And the price will obviously continue to fall. It will be under 1k in a few weeks.

pricing is dictated by availability or lack of there of. and that lack IS a problem. and yes, couple of extra HUNDREDTHS of thousands IS a big deal

Linaleah · June 2018

anadandy wrote: »

TheNuminous1 wrote: »

Im a housing lunatic. I dont even have it in me to go over the case and point on that fact.

but im ok with the culanda laquer situation. makes me do dailies and spend time in summerset. the recipes drop more even if it takes me awhile longer to actually craft the item. and it makes me spend more time yearning and earning instead of instant gratification.

Again, I don't think anyone is asking for "instant gratification". I am fine with drawing it out, and taking my time but...

The game has been out just under a month, and I've done the dailies every day on two characters (I know, I'm a slacker) and I have a whopping 20 lacquers in my inventory. I made two things - a pillar and a rug - so I had 24.

Twenty four. Approximately one a day for doing three dailies - delves being fairly easy, WB not so bad if you can get a group up (harder to do now that the "new" has worn off) and geysers which is a sit around a wait festival. That's just bad ROI.

exactly! there are days where I could do the dailies and get NO culanda laquer out of them. so I'm spending hours in summerset instead of hours and hours that it takes me to actualy decorate... and i'm getting NOWHERE in terms of being able to craft more decorations? how is this ok?

Fang_of_Lorkhaj · June 2018

Lack of? I have almost a stack tf you mean lol it's called a farm for a reason

Linaleah · June 2018

Fang_of_Lorkhaj wrote: »

Lack of? I have almost a stack tf you mean lol it's called a farm for a reason

sigh. that is the problem. the FARM is unreliable. if it always dropped from dailies, fine. but it doesn't. it only drops SOME of the time, and unlike clockwork style items that you could both get from dailies AND deconstruction... there is no reliable way to get either gear to deconstruct with sapiach style OR from daily rewards. and also, unlike clockwork style items - you need TWO culandas per item, rather then one.

the fact that its such an unreliable FARM is big part of the problem that could be solved very simply. make it a guaranteed drop from each and every daily you complete. that's it. that all it takes.

people are not asking for instant gratification, ffs. we are asking for ability to RELIABLY farm this.

Juju_beans · June 2018

I don't think there is any rare ingredient in the game that you can 'reliably farm'.

Carbonised · June 2018

Fang_of_Lorkhaj wrote: »

Lack of? I have almost a stack tf you mean lol it's called a farm for a reason

Or perhaps try and read the actual discussion before replying with this complete nonsense.

Don't know why I even bother replying to a post like this.

Let's see, my original post: 32 insightfuls, 49 agrees, 8 awesomes.

Your one liner reply: 0, 0 and 0.

When pretty much everyone agrees on an issue and you do not, then either you're the one who is sorely mistaken, or you're simply coming here with a troll reply to flip everyone off. In either case, the amount of attention I am willing to devote to something like this end just about here.

Hoolielulu · June 2018

I'd spend money on crowns to buy a house but why would I do that when crafting appropriate furniture is near impossible? I don't have time to do nothing but farm, farm, farm.

ZOS is screwing themselves out of my money.

Wreuntzylla · June 2018

Jaraal wrote: »

Not only the Culanda lacquer, but some Summerset furnishings take multiple zircon grains. I saw a zircon based cup that costs 11,800 gold to make.

Why introduce such awesome new furnishings, and then make it so very few even attempt to make them?

Because idiots like me get impatient and buy the furnishings from the crown store.

Carbonised · June 2018

Jaraal wrote: »

Not only the Culanda lacquer, but some Summerset furnishings take multiple zircon grains. I saw a zircon based cup that costs 11,800 gold to make.

Why introduce such awesome new furnishings, and then make it so very few even attempt to make them?

The requirement of 2 jewelrycrafting tempers for every item is another insanity.

The gold clock from the voucher vendor requires mats for more than 250k (2 full gold upgrade tempers) to make, the purple jewelrycrafting items require mats for about 70k per item, and even a simple green cup requires mats for 11k to make.

If you wanted to completely kill off any form of trade with these items, then congratulations you have succeeded. Only a few small number of people bother selling the Hlaalu Gong and the Hlaalu Turtle, simply because their crafting cost is so immensely high, and the selling value is low. No one wants to spend 50k for a small turtle box. Likewise, with 150k plus profits for a gold clock or 11k for a simple green cup, there is no market at all for selling jewelrycrafting furnishings. That is even BEFORE adding in the 2 Culandas on top of the jewelrycrafting tempers!

So it's 2 full purple tempers plus 2 Culandas to craft a purple summerset jewelrycrafting furnishing. Complete and utter bonkers. With this current system, I will only bother making my own jewelrycrafting items now and then, with the few tempers I do manage to refine. You can forget about crafting for anyone else, or for selling them in stores.

Summerset furnishing crafting is a nightmare, jewelrycrafting furnishing is a nightmare - and Summerset jewelrycrafting furnishings is a double nightmare.

Harrdarrzarr · June 2018

I keep getting those lacquer from the dailies in Alinor

NoTimeToWait · June 2018

Harrdarrzarr wrote: »

I keep getting those lacquer from the dailies in Alinor

Oh, nice. It's such a great thing to have Alinor themed cup AND plate in your house. Really catches an eye.
Maybe put an Alinor column in the middle of the house, just so people could see that one indeed has some Alinor furnishing

manavortex · July 2018

I stopped trying. I'll catch up in a year when the next chapter is out and they hopefully fixed this.

PandaPlasm · July 2018

As an example of how screwed up this system is, I've done all 3 dailies today and I got 0 culanda lacquer. I don't know why I bother going to the Traitors Vault, it's not like I can make anything I pick up there. The past 2 days, I've done 6 dailies and got 1 lacquer. I haven't been able to work on my furniture store for days now because I can't even get enough mats to make one of ANYTHING. FFS this is ridiculous!

Beamer_Miasma · July 2018

Carbonised wrote: »

Only a few small number of people bother selling the Hlaalu Gong and the Hlaalu Turtle, simply because their crafting cost is so immensely high, and the selling value is low. No one wants to spend 50k for a small turtle box.

The Hlaalu Gaming table (which costs just 1 bonemold) is the only one worth making to sell really, plus the bath tub which doesn't require bonemold at all. I have enough bonemold in stock to make a dozen gongs or turtles but I can't be bothered to use them for that. Even at material costs + guild tax I doubt I could sell a dozen turtles in an entire year. They are just not impressive enough items to justify the high cost of making them.

It's an interesting comparison because the amount of lacquer available on the market is about the same as the amount of bonemold available (PCEU according to TTC, ~850 lacquer and ~800 bonemold listed for sale). But whereas only 3 of 4 gold Hlaalu items require bonemold to make, every single Alinor item down to the green cups and plates requires lacquer. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that's not going to work.

So people buy the Alinor house furnished, which can only be done with crowns. And that, in the end, is what this is all about.

Carbonised · July 2018

That people continue to push this thread to the front page now, a month and a half after I wrote it, just shows that there is increasing annoyance over this aspect of Summerset furnishing crafting.

I can also tell you that Culanda prices are currently around 2.5k per item on PC-EU and have been so for more than 2+ weeks with no sign of decreasing. That's a 5k cost per item, even before factoring in the other material costs, or any profit margin if you want to sell them on traders.

It is high time to make Culanda drop from more sources, as I outlined in my original post. It should at least be a guaranteed drop from the daily reward boxes, plus make it decon'able from the Gryphon zone set, which should be converted from Ancient Elf to Sapiarch style.
Also, You should add 1/10th of Culanda stones as possible loot from harvesting zone nodes, like you can get Volcanic Viridian pieces in Vvardenfell. Or make Culandas drop from Psijic portals, either in Summerset/Aertaeum or all over Tamriel.

Plenty of possibilities, leaving the system "as is" currently, is not one of them.

Aimora · July 2018

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

Jaraal wrote: »

Not only the Culanda lacquer, but some Summerset furnishings take multiple zircon grains. I saw a zircon based cup that costs 11,800 gold to make.

Why introduce such awesome new furnishings, and then make it so very few even attempt to make them?

Because idiots like me get impatient and buy the furnishings from the crown store.

This is the exact reason

bellatrixed · July 2018

Don't get me wrong, I definitely agree--at the very least the furnishing items should require 1 culanda, not 2.

But, for the people who are really upset with how much time they're wasting grinding--you might have better luck grinding gold and then buying culanda lacquer from other players. Gold grinding is generally more of a sure thing so you're more likely to make progress than if you're hoping to loot a specific item.

Just throwing that out there.

But yes, the drop rates suck.

SantieClaws · July 2018

Additionally if they feel this system is liked and successful then the same model is likely to be applied going forward. Especially if they generate the coin they seek in the sale of crown housing items as an alternative to us crafting them.

So let us continue voicing our feelings on the matter yes.

Artificially hobbling a crafting system by making the required materials so rare and expensive is not a welcome or appreciated approach.

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

WhiteCoatSyndrome · July 2018

bellatrixed wrote: »

But, for the people who are really upset with how much time they're wasting grinding--you might have better luck grinding gold and then buying culanda lacquer from other players. Gold grinding is generally more of a sure thing so you're more likely to make progress than if you're hoping to loot a specific item.

Just throwing that out there.

But what happens when everyone stops grinding for them? Then there will be no more to buy.

Vahrokh · July 2018

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

bellatrixed wrote: »

But, for the people who are really upset with how much time they're wasting grinding--you might have better luck grinding gold and then buying culanda lacquer from other players. Gold grinding is generally more of a sure thing so you're more likely to make progress than if you're hoping to loot a specific item.

Just throwing that out there.

But what happens when everyone stops grinding for them? Then there will be no more to buy.

If they pay well, people shall grind them.

I am selling stacks of the stuff and I am not even trying.

PandaPlasm · July 2018

Carbonised wrote: »

It should at least be a guaranteed drop from the daily reward boxes, plus make it decon'able from the Gryphon zone set, which should be converted from Ancient Elf to Sapiarch style.

Exactly. From a lore standpoint, having the Gryphon set as Ancient Elf is incorrect. Ancient Elves were the Ayleids, which never lived on Summerset OR Auridon. The devs were even under fire for depicting Ayleid ruins on Auridon, and had to make a statement basically saying "oops, you're right, we're wrong."

Numerikuu · July 2018

SantieClaws wrote: »

Additionally if they feel this system is liked and successful then the same model is likely to be applied going forward. Especially if they generate the coin they seek in the sale of crown housing items as an alternative to us crafting them.

So let us continue voicing our feelings on the matter yes.

Artificially hobbling a crafting system by making the required materials so rare and expensive is not a welcome or appreciated approach.

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

A little off topic, but your responses are a ray of sunshine on this cloudy forum

But yes, I hope they address this in the near future... and not a year or so later.

joshcrum · July 2018

Vahrokh wrote: »

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

bellatrixed wrote: »

But, for the people who are really upset with how much time they're wasting grinding--you might have better luck grinding gold and then buying culanda lacquer from other players. Gold grinding is generally more of a sure thing so you're more likely to make progress than if you're hoping to loot a specific item.

Just throwing that out there.

But what happens when everyone stops grinding for them? Then there will be no more to buy.

If they pay well, people shall grind them.

I am selling stacks of the stuff and I am not even trying.

Stacks of the stuff? Really? We are talking about 200 stacks, right? You must be doing some seriously pro farming. We're talking 10 toons running every single WB, delve, and geyser every day, right?

XGCAlbatr0ss · July 2018

Can anyone here confirm that you CAN decon sapiarch style armor/weapons to obtain a lacquer?

I happen to have quite a few mimic stones and i know some sapiarch motifs. I never use the mimic stone and was wondering if this has been confirmed. I have somewhere between 40-50 stones and would be nice if i could basically get some free lacquers by doing this.

Valkysas154 · July 2018

The lack of houses will effect it far more along with alinor recipe sales
We have 0 houses in summerset other than a inn, a manor -not a house- more of a castle palace, so so.
and a cove for 100$+

That is what will hurt it more

Give me a good medium house with a yard in summerset and i will start to care about it