If Sloads wasnt in your death recap, how would you know to complain?

generalmyrick · June 2018

If Sloads wasnt in your death recap, how would you know to complain? (there is a larger point here if you can catch it)

Rianai · June 2018

By not basing complaints on death recaps to begin with. Those are usually meaningless anyway.

VaranisArano · June 2018

At face value, because if you are alert you can spot the visual effect or the active effects indicator on you.

Not at face value, because I'm OP and good enough that I should never die unless something is clearly broken or a cheap shot and whatever kills me therefore should be nerfed until it doesnt kill me. That's how this works, right? Right?

RebornV3x · June 2018

They would just do what every bad kid does and blame mag sorc

generalmyrick · June 2018

VaranisArano wrote: »

At face value, because if you are alert you can spot the visual effect or the active effects indicator on you.

Not at face value, because I'm OP and good enough that I should never die unless something is clearly broken or a cheap shot and whatever kills me therefore should be nerfed until it doesnt kill me. That's how this works, right? Right?

New 5th bonus - if sloads appears in your death recap AND you have never died in eso you are instantly resurrected and given 100k health, mag, stam, impen, spell and phys resistance for 10 minutes.

DeadlyRecluse · June 2018

Despite being one of, it not the strongest, damage set in PvP, the real problem with sloads isn't the actual damage.

It's how it ignores every significant form of mitigation and several core mechanics.

Imagine if a detect pot didn't just counter cloak, it made your attacks go through block, ignore shields, and bypass resistances. Or if mark target prevented stealth, shields, blocking, and brought armor to zero.

Absurd.

The overloaded amount of utility on an obivion dot, ON TOP of being top-notch damage, is what makes it ridiculous.

I main a magplar, I don't die to sloads. Doesn't make it a balanced set.

DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER · June 2018

the purple light of death...

geonsocal · June 2018

flaming oil tends to irritate me quite a bit, it's rare you get to see the animation for it - nerf flaming oil...

generalmyrick · June 2018

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

Despite being one of, it not the strongest, damage set in PvP, the real problem with sloads isn't the actual damage.

It's how it ignores every significant form of mitigation and several core mechanics.

Imagine if a detect pot didn't just counter cloak, it made your attacks go through block, ignore shields, and bypass resistances. Or if mark target prevented stealth, shields, blocking, and brought armor to zero.

Absurd.

The overloaded amount of utility on an obivion dot, ON TOP of being top-notch damage, is what makes it ridiculous.

I main a magplar, I don't die to sloads. Doesn't make it a balanced set.

Its the definition of oblivion damage...?

DeadlyRecluse · June 2018

generalmyrick wrote: »

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

Despite being one of, it not the strongest, damage set in PvP, the real problem with sloads isn't the actual damage.

It's how it ignores every significant form of mitigation and several core mechanics.

Imagine if a detect pot didn't just counter cloak, it made your attacks go through block, ignore shields, and bypass resistances. Or if mark target prevented stealth, shields, blocking, and brought armor to zero.

Absurd.

The overloaded amount of utility on an obivion dot, ON TOP of being top-notch damage, is what makes it ridiculous.

I main a magplar, I don't die to sloads. Doesn't make it a balanced set.

Its the definition of oblivion damage...?

Correct.

But every previous application of oblivion damage has been single instances of direct damage, rather than sticky dots--AND they've had proc conditions that keep them from running amok (target must be shielded, must complete a heavy attack, a specific enchant with a cooldown (that precludes you from running more efficient poisons).

A dot highlights the overloaded nature of oblivion damage, and a set that procs that dot at a relatively high % rate on literally any damage makes the application thereof too easy.

generalmyrick · June 2018

Cool. Nerf it.

ChunkyCat · June 2018

generalmyrick wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

At face value, because if you are alert you can spot the visual effect or the active effects indicator on you.

Not at face value, because I'm OP and good enough that I should never die unless something is clearly broken or a cheap shot and whatever kills me therefore should be nerfed until it doesnt kill me. That's how this works, right? Right?

New 5th bonus - if sloads appears in your death recap AND you have never died in eso you are instantly resurrected and given 100k health, mag, stam, impen, spell and phys resistance for 10 minutes.

Only ten minutes??

Rickter · June 2018

im going to use sload's as an excuse to discredit my losses for as long as i can

THEDKEXPERIENCE · June 2018

geonsocal wrote: »

flaming oil tends to irritate me quite a bit, it's rare you get to see the animation for it - nerf flaming oil...

I run off rocks in Wrothgar while farming. Nerf rocks.

ak_pvp · June 2018

Because I will see the proc and see my health deteriorate at a level no one can heal from by just being light attacked by 4 nubs from afar.

Could be worse, could be 2k/s master bleeds and then 2 other 1/1.5k bleeds.

Sylosi · June 2018

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

It's how it ignores every significant form of mitigation and several core mechanics.

Imagine if a detect pot didn't just counter cloak, it made your attacks go through block, ignore shields, and bypass resistances. Or if mark target prevented stealth, shields, blocking, and brought armor to zero.

Or imagine if you could build your main defence so that it was non-critable, scaled off the same resource you want for damage and sustain, had a skill that then restores that resource when you get hit and then to top it off you can stack this defence, so essentially your main defence scales and sustains off building for attack.

And that right there is an example of why they added the "overloaded" oblivion damage, because some of the core mechanics are overloaded in the first place. (and not just shields)

It really is pretty simple in a game, if you build for attack you should have low defence, if you build for defence you should have low attack, that is balance.

TequilaFire · June 2018

The nerf everything that causes the 1vX crowd a problem will keep spamming their threads so all the lemmings jump on the bandwagon.

DuskMarine · June 2018

finally the game is balanced would be my thought

Tonturri · June 2018

Sylosi wrote: »

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

It's how it ignores every significant form of mitigation and several core mechanics.

Imagine if a detect pot didn't just counter cloak, it made your attacks go through block, ignore shields, and bypass resistances. Or if mark target prevented stealth, shields, blocking, and brought armor to zero.

Or imagine if you could build your main defence so it that was non-critable, scaled off the same resource you want for damage and sustain, had a skill that then restores that resource when you get hit and then to top it off you can stack this defence, so essentially your main defence scales and sustains off building for attack.

And that right there is an example of why they added the "overloaded" oblivion damage, because some of the core mechanics are overloaded in the first place. (and not just shields)

It really is pretty simple in a game, if you build for attack you should have low defence, if you build for defence you should have low attack, that is balance.

It's pretty saddening that not a single thing in this game works like you describe in bold - I've found the vast majority of stuff functions like the part I've put in italics. Sure, 'fix' sorcerer - but do it at the same time as ya hit everything else too, lest we get...what we got going on now.

Also, people have been calling for nerfs/reworks to Harness for quite a while now. Sorcs too.

STEVIL · June 2018

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

Despite being one of, it not the strongest, damage set in PvP, the real problem with sloads isn't the actual damage.

It's how it ignores every significant form of mitigation and several core mechanics.

Imagine if a detect pot didn't just counter cloak, it made your attacks go through block, ignore shields, and bypass resistances. Or if mark target prevented stealth, shields, blocking, and brought armor to zero.

Absurd.

The overloaded amount of utility on an obivion dot, ON TOP of being top-notch damage, is what makes it ridiculous.

I main a magplar, I don't die to sloads. Doesn't make it a balanced set.

yes if those det pot made your attacks go thru they would be imbalanced because they would apply to your whole damage tree if they made your attacks go thru and they would do that on top of the normal det pot gains.

unlike sloads which uses a 5pc bonus for just its own oblivion dmg leaving everything else as is.

Now, compare that to say just as an easy comparison the boost to spell damage that one gains from julianos and the amouint of damage it adds to all your abilities that spam off it.

your imaginings dont seem to be on target.

my opinion at least

CaliMade · June 2018

VaranisArano wrote: »

At face value, because if you are alert you can spot the visual effect or the active effects indicator on you.

Not at face value, because I'm OP and good enough that I should never die unless something is clearly broken or a cheap shot and whatever kills me therefore should be nerfed until it doesnt kill me. That's how this works, right? Right?

Dissmisive and demeaning posts like this is why these forums are non constructive and a waste of time.

People need to Stop using this tired, overused fallible argument.

You would know your dying to sloads when a player you made short work of earlier is now putting tons of pressure on you with a set that “supposedly” makes them sacrifice alot.

My problem with proc sets has always been the same-free effortless damage. Doesnt matter what your wearing how hard or soft you hit. They will always do alot of damage, a 60k health tank will do 5.9k with sloads. Free damage procs are not enjoyable to play against. That does not mean me or anyone thinks they shouldnt die. They just rather be killed by a players active abilities in preference to dying to passive set procs. I should have to counter an incap, i should have to counter a soul assault, i shouldn have to counter your zaan proc.

Dont bother replying, I wont read it.

PlagueSD · June 2018

I'm just going to leave this right here. If you can't out-heal sloads, you have bigger issues...

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/417877/how-to-counter-sloads-semblance-in-pvp

DuskMarine · June 2018

PlagueSD wrote: »

I'm just going to leave this right here. If you can't out-heal sloads, you have bigger issues...

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/417877/how-to-counter-sloads-semblance-in-pvp

if youve seen some setups with sloads it litterally negates your healing received.

VaranisArano · June 2018

CaliMade wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

At face value, because if you are alert you can spot the visual effect or the active effects indicator on you.

Not at face value, because I'm OP and good enough that I should never die unless something is clearly broken or a cheap shot and whatever kills me therefore should be nerfed until it doesnt kill me. That's how this works, right? Right?

Dissmisive and demeaning posts like this is why these forums are non constructive and a waste of time.

People need to Stop using this tired, overused fallible argument.

You would know your dying to sloads when a player you made short work of earlier is now putting tons of pressure on you with a set that “supposedly” makes them sacrifice alot.

My problem with proc sets has always been the same-free effortless damage. Doesnt matter what your wearing how hard or soft you hit. They will always do alot of damage, a 60k health tank will do 5.9k with sloads. Free damage procs are not enjoyable to play against. That does not mean me or anyone thinks they shouldnt die. They just rather be killed by a players active abilities in preference to dying to passive set procs. I should have to counter an incap, i should have to counter a soul assault, i shouldn have to counter your zaan proc.

Dont bother replying, I wont read it.

I'm sorry, I thought my sarcasm was pretty clear. Apparently it wasn't. My bad.

A number of people will complain about anything that kills them, and thats silly. You are obviously not in that category, since you choose to complain about proc sets but not skills. Cool.

My own opinion about Sload's is that ZOS has a habit of releasing problematic proc sets for PVP with new content (Earthgore, Zaan, Sload's) and not fixing them for several updates until the content stops selling like hotcakes. I think that's a problem for healthy PVP and it would be far better to release balanced sets rather than introduce powerful procs that later get nerfed long after they've become problematic.

ak_pvp · June 2018

TequilaFire wrote: »

The nerf everything that causes the 1vX crowd a problem will keep spamming their threads so all the lemmings jump on the bandwagon.

And the bad players who can't already win via massive numbers will cry for more easy wins.

Vapirko · June 2018

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

Despite being one of, it not the strongest, damage set in PvP, the real problem with sloads isn't the actual damage.

It's how it ignores every significant form of mitigation and several core mechanics.

Imagine if a detect pot didn't just counter cloak, it made your attacks go through block, ignore shields, and bypass resistances. Or if mark target prevented stealth, shields, blocking, and brought armor to zero.

Absurd.

The overloaded amount of utility on an obivion dot, ON TOP of being top-notch damage, is what makes it ridiculous.

I main a magplar, I don't die to sloads. Doesn't make it a balanced set.

And don’t forget it has no condition, this is such an important part of why it’s OP but never mentioned. It procs on any damage at all even siege, and apparently from itself.

TheValkyn · June 2018

Combat logs which we've had since the game was in beta?

Thogard · June 2018

It’s been so long since I’ve died without sloads... I guess I’d send a thank you message to whoever killed me.