The most cookiecutter of all cookiecutter builds for high DPS?

Minyassa · June 2018

I'm just not a very good DD. I have trouble following any rotation more complicated than "do everything on both bars in order", pretty much. I've taken advice from a dozen different people, some of which were direct contradictions of each other. I've redone my gear twice. I've respecced a number of times. I'm not comfortable or confident in my ability to "just swap out what works better for you" and have it be an actual improvement.

I've been told I am "not bad", which was a relief to hear; I probably will not get kicked out of groups unless they are very elitist. But I'm kind of tired of being just mediocre. I am not a stupid person, and I have pretty decent hand-eye coordination for my age. There's got to be a way for me to at least match *half* the DDs running around doing Skyreach by themselves.

So I'm asking...if there was one meta template that most people follow to the word to get a DD doing upwards of, what are we supposed to be doing, 30K...whose would it be? I'm going to make a new toon and just start from scratch building the most meta of metas, without a scrap of personal preference involved, just to see what it's like to be a contender. If I can.

Narvuntien · June 2018

Sioria, burning spellweave, vulkan skoria. (Maelstrom fire staff)

Spelling is hard

Since i don't have summerset i use julianos instead of Sioria

Weps · June 2018

BSW, Mother's Sorrow, Zaan. Maelstrom Fire Infused backbar.

Oreyn_Bearclaw · June 2018

I will do something I dont always do and plug an alcast build.

https://alcasthq.com/eso-magicka-sorcerer-pet-build-pve/

There is no easier way in this game to pull acceptable damage than a magic sorc running a few pets. The rotation is simple, short, and circular. You will have high survivability and little to no sustain issues. While I dont think Alcast builds necessarily cater to min/maxes, they do very well for players like yourself. It seems that you are someone that wants to improve and run all content, but isnt going to worry about trying to break 50k. That is Alcasts target audience, and his builds are very good for that. It will give multiple gear options, depending on what you have access to.

FearAndPatching · June 2018

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

I will do something I dont always do and plug an alcast build.

https://alcasthq.com/eso-magicka-sorcerer-pet-build-pve/

There is no easier way in this game to pull acceptable damage than a magic sorc running a few pets. The rotation is simple, short, and circular. You will have high survivability and little to no sustain issues. While I dont think Alcast builds necessarily cater to min/maxes, they do very well for players like yourself. It seems that you are someone that wants to improve and run all content, but isnt going to worry about trying to break 50k. That is Alcasts target audience, and his builds are very good for that. It will give multiple gear options, depending on what you have access to.

You do realize a lot of his builds are BIS end game builds right? Kind of the definition of min/max’ing. He just includes alternative gear sets you can run if you don’t have BIS yet.

And to OP he is right there is nothing really easier to pull decent numbers on than a heavy attack pet sorc build. Their damage isn’t bursty but is consistent thru out the fight and you can pretty much ignore resource regen entirely with it. Also very easy build to beat VMA with if your newer to it.

Minyassa · June 2018

Thank you very much, I'll look into Alcast. I'd been using Deltia's and while enjoyable I find the rotations to be a little complex on some of them. I even already have a pet sorc with a build I'm not attached to that I can mess with.

Oreyn_Bearclaw · June 2018

FearAndPatching wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

I will do something I dont always do and plug an alcast build.

https://alcasthq.com/eso-magicka-sorcerer-pet-build-pve/

There is no easier way in this game to pull acceptable damage than a magic sorc running a few pets. The rotation is simple, short, and circular. You will have high survivability and little to no sustain issues. While I dont think Alcast builds necessarily cater to min/maxes, they do very well for players like yourself. It seems that you are someone that wants to improve and run all content, but isnt going to worry about trying to break 50k. That is Alcasts target audience, and his builds are very good for that. It will give multiple gear options, depending on what you have access to.

You do realize a lot of his builds are BIS end game builds right? Kind of the definition of min/max’ing. He just includes alternative gear sets you can run if you don’t have BIS yet.

And to OP he is right there is nothing really easier to pull decent numbers on than a heavy attack pet sorc build. Their damage isn’t bursty but is consistent thru out the fight and you can pretty much ignore resource regen entirely with it. Also very easy build to beat VMA with if your newer to it.

Not to totally derail this, but...

Alcast builds are undoubtedly catered to end game players, but I do not believe that most of them are truly min/maxed (some are closer than others). Just looking at his mageblade build, for example. When you compare to LZH's build, which i would consider meta, there are subtle differences (traits, CP, Skill choices, even rotation to some degree). Again, most are pretty darn close, but often they have subtle differences here and there to help survivability or resources. The reality is, these are better for 99% of the playerbase, and he is smart enough to know that. I am not for one second bashing his builds, as I think he is certainly the best overall build resource in the game. That's all I was getting at. I am pretty sure I have even seen alcast make statements supporting that notion.

arishok33 · June 2018

FearAndPatching wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

I will do something I dont always do and plug an alcast build.

https://alcasthq.com/eso-magicka-sorcerer-pet-build-pve/

There is no easier way in this game to pull acceptable damage than a magic sorc running a few pets. The rotation is simple, short, and circular. You will have high survivability and little to no sustain issues. While I dont think Alcast builds necessarily cater to min/maxes, they do very well for players like yourself. It seems that you are someone that wants to improve and run all content, but isnt going to worry about trying to break 50k. That is Alcasts target audience, and his builds are very good for that. It will give multiple gear options, depending on what you have access to.

You do realize a lot of his builds are BIS end game builds right? Kind of the definition of min/max’ing. He just includes alternative gear sets you can run if you don’t have BIS yet.

And to OP he is right there is nothing really easier to pull decent numbers on than a heavy attack pet sorc build. Their damage isn’t bursty but is consistent thru out the fight and you can pretty much ignore resource regen entirely with it. Also very easy build to beat VMA with if your newer to it.

Alcasts Builds are far from BiS...anyone who does some testing on his own will see that.
Like Oreyn wrote his Magblade or my msin class the MagDK. Elfbane...? Powerlash...? Utter BS if you want to pull the best DPS and far from BiS.
And I'm not gonna start on his rotation....
He is a vefy good player who has over 20 chars I think. No way he can play them all perfectly and his Builds are okay but that at most. At least for most classes.

s7732425ub17_ESO · June 2018

FearAndPatching wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

I will do something I dont always do and plug an alcast build.

https://alcasthq.com/eso-magicka-sorcerer-pet-build-pve/

There is no easier way in this game to pull acceptable damage than a magic sorc running a few pets. The rotation is simple, short, and circular. You will have high survivability and little to no sustain issues. While I dont think Alcast builds necessarily cater to min/maxes, they do very well for players like yourself. It seems that you are someone that wants to improve and run all content, but isnt going to worry about trying to break 50k. That is Alcasts target audience, and his builds are very good for that. It will give multiple gear options, depending on what you have access to.

You do realize a lot of his builds are BIS end game builds right? Kind of the definition of min/max’ing. He just includes alternative gear sets you can run if you don’t have BIS yet.

And to OP he is right there is nothing really easier to pull decent numbers on than a heavy attack pet sorc build. Their damage isn’t bursty but is consistent thru out the fight and you can pretty much ignore resource regen entirely with it. Also very easy build to beat VMA with if your newer to it.

A majority of Alcast builds are not BIS. As an endgame player who has played for a very long time, it's pretty easy to glance at sets and figure out good combinations. This is what Alcast does, and most endgame players should be able to do this as well.

BiS is also very situational right now. What gear, skills, CP allocation Alcast actually uses in Trials almost never matches up to what he shows in his build videos. You need to switch things up for whatever content you are doing- a skill all endgame players need to know how to do.

hedna123b14_ESO · June 2018

FearAndPatching wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

I will do something I dont always do and plug an alcast build.

https://alcasthq.com/eso-magicka-sorcerer-pet-build-pve/

There is no easier way in this game to pull acceptable damage than a magic sorc running a few pets. The rotation is simple, short, and circular. You will have high survivability and little to no sustain issues. While I dont think Alcast builds necessarily cater to min/maxes, they do very well for players like yourself. It seems that you are someone that wants to improve and run all content, but isnt going to worry about trying to break 50k. That is Alcasts target audience, and his builds are very good for that. It will give multiple gear options, depending on what you have access to.

You do realize a lot of his builds are BIS end game builds right? Kind of the definition of min/max’ing. He just includes alternative gear sets you can run if you don’t have BIS yet.

And to OP he is right there is nothing really easier to pull decent numbers on than a heavy attack pet sorc build. Their damage isn’t bursty but is consistent thru out the fight and you can pretty much ignore resource regen entirely with it. Also very easy build to beat VMA with if your newer to it.

His recommended bis build for magdk has elfbane....its a meme...

Oreyn_Bearclaw · June 2018

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

FearAndPatching wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

I will do something I dont always do and plug an alcast build.

https://alcasthq.com/eso-magicka-sorcerer-pet-build-pve/

There is no easier way in this game to pull acceptable damage than a magic sorc running a few pets. The rotation is simple, short, and circular. You will have high survivability and little to no sustain issues. While I dont think Alcast builds necessarily cater to min/maxes, they do very well for players like yourself. It seems that you are someone that wants to improve and run all content, but isnt going to worry about trying to break 50k. That is Alcasts target audience, and his builds are very good for that. It will give multiple gear options, depending on what you have access to.

You do realize a lot of his builds are BIS end game builds right? Kind of the definition of min/max’ing. He just includes alternative gear sets you can run if you don’t have BIS yet.

And to OP he is right there is nothing really easier to pull decent numbers on than a heavy attack pet sorc build. Their damage isn’t bursty but is consistent thru out the fight and you can pretty much ignore resource regen entirely with it. Also very easy build to beat VMA with if your newer to it.

His recommended bis build for magdk has elfbane....its a meme...

@hedna123b14_ESO

What's worse, the fact that the mDK build uses elf bane or the fact that I bought 3 sets of the jewelry the day he released the video. Haha.

Also, WTS Elf Bane Jewelry.

Nestor · June 2018

Gear and build will only get you so far. You need to learn to animation cancel to really up your DPS.

Also, the meta is really a myth. Sure someone else can do a build and get huge numbers, but unless it makes sense to you and how you play, your going to be middling. Play a build that makes sense to you and you will closer to the Meta and have more fun doing it.

So, here is your cookie cutter build.

1. Use a rotation that starts with a buff, then adds a DoT or two, then has a spam damage skill. Have a recovery or shield skill to use as needed.
2. Wear gear that makes sense for the first point.
3. Make sure you invested SPs in all the passives for your class, weapon, and armor.
4. Make sure your champ points are logically invested for what you do.

hedna123b14_ESO · June 2018

Nestor wrote: »

Gear and build will only get you so far. You need to learn to animation cancel to really up your DPS.

Also, the meta is really a myth. Sure someone else can do a build and get huge numbers, but unless it makes sense to you and how you play, your going to be middling. Play a build that makes sense to you and you will closer to the Meta and have more fun doing it.

So, here is your cookie cutter build.

1. Use a rotation that starts with a buff, then adds a DoT or two, then has a spam damage skill. Have a recovery or shield skill to use as needed.
2. Wear gear that makes sense for the first point.
3. Make sure you invested SPs in all the passives for your class, weapon, and armor.
4. Make sure your champ points are logically invested for what you do.

Very true. My magplar can outdps all except the very best of magblades on fights with tons of movement.

XGCAlbatr0ss · June 2018

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

Gear and build will only get you so far. You need to learn to animation cancel to really up your DPS.

Also, the meta is really a myth. Sure someone else can do a build and get huge numbers, but unless it makes sense to you and how you play, your going to be middling. Play a build that makes sense to you and you will closer to the Meta and have more fun doing it.

So, here is your cookie cutter build.

1. Use a rotation that starts with a buff, then adds a DoT or two, then has a spam damage skill. Have a recovery or shield skill to use as needed.
2. Wear gear that makes sense for the first point.
3. Make sure you invested SPs in all the passives for your class, weapon, and armor.
4. Make sure your champ points are logically invested for what you do.

Very true. My magplar can outdps all except the very best of magblades on fights with tons of movement.

What gear and roto are you running on your magplar? Ive been messing with mine and cant seem to best 42.5k solo. 51k group. Im currently running zaan, bsw and siroria. I would really like to best 45k solo on him and i know its doable.

hedna123b14_ESO · June 2018

XGCAlbatr0ss wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

Gear and build will only get you so far. You need to learn to animation cancel to really up your DPS.

Also, the meta is really a myth. Sure someone else can do a build and get huge numbers, but unless it makes sense to you and how you play, your going to be middling. Play a build that makes sense to you and you will closer to the Meta and have more fun doing it.

So, here is your cookie cutter build.

1. Use a rotation that starts with a buff, then adds a DoT or two, then has a spam damage skill. Have a recovery or shield skill to use as needed.
2. Wear gear that makes sense for the first point.
3. Make sure you invested SPs in all the passives for your class, weapon, and armor.
4. Make sure your champ points are logically invested for what you do.

Very true. My magplar can outdps all except the very best of magblades on fights with tons of movement.

What gear and roto are you running on your magplar? Ive been messing with mine and cant seem to best 42.5k solo. 51k group. Im currently running zaan, bsw and siroria. I would really like to best 45k solo on him and i know its doable.

Id run Siroria/MS/Zaan. Rotation is Blockade>Shards>Vamp Bane>PL> (Ele wep x 4) rinse and repeat till 20%.
At 20% replace Ele wep x 4 with Ele wep x 1 + One Radiant.
At 10% Blockade>Shards>Radiant x 2
At 5% Straight Radiant Spam