Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Q1: Any DLC
Q2: Chapter
Q3: Dungeon DLC
Q4: Story DLC

Dungeon DLCs are my favourite, so I'm happy with this year. Casual PvE players get two story DLCs each year as it is (chapter and Q4 DLC). They need to throw veteran players a bone from time to time too or we'll all leave.

The chapters & story DLC frequently have trials or dungeons (or those "group arena" things). So they have content for groupers & "veteran players"

Meanwhile, dungeon DLC have..... dungeons? Do they have anything else to cater to other playstyles? Well, aside from more motifs for the crafters to collect buy from dungeon runners.

Seems like they "throw a bone to veteran players" quite frequently.

The first DLC of the year usually has something to do with customisation. Like housing or Outfits. This year they also threw in some dungeons, which have normal and vet mode.

Second is a full chapter which is literally an entirely new zone with quests, delves, PDs, a trial, WBs, group events and solo dailies. The introduced BGs last year, and moved it to basegame this year, which people wanted.

Third DLC is 2 new dungeons that have both normal and vet modes.

4th DLC is literally another new zone with a story, some delves, a trial or arena, WBs and dailies. This is just a smaller zone, like clockwork city or the Gold Coast etc.

They also added new BG maps along the way.

I’d say they’re doing a good job at caring for a lot of different play styles. They might miss one or two things here and there but I think we’ve got it pretty good...

To lazy to read post, but that is literally what they announced was the plan every year when they announced chapters to begin with......

MEBengalsFan2001 wrote: »

Most MMOs I played started off with little to no content and eventually started doing quarterly. The quarterly content was light and many complained resulting in the devs splitting that into 3 pieces of content a year vs 4. Some even felt 2x a year was enough.

Personally as long as the content has a well developed story and if possible a dungeon that is worth replaying due to mechanics and loot than it is a win for the community. Content also need to consider casual and hardcore players; with casual getting easier dungeons and the hardcore getting whatever is considered hard content in the MMO. The devs also need to include some type of PVP update once a year, be it new gear or a new zone or both; nothing major but enough to keep the PVP players happy and playing.

I am far from end game so I have no idea how end game content is for ESO. I have played a few other MMOs and played end game content and I would consider myself a hardcore player with those MMOs. Now I'm more casual and definitely not seeking the challenge as my time will be limited on ESO as other things in my life take priority.

Whatever the devs do, I'm sure they are using data to make their decisions. That is very common when it comes to a game that wants to generate revenue and expand beyond its current game world.

Exactly ^THIS (bolded). The devs KNOW who is spending money in the game and who is not... veteran players typically have everything already and are not spending money... not as much as new players, RP's, or those just out questing in the world for fun. Players who tend to take this game seriously, as in competition wise, typically aren't worrying about costumes, mounts, housing, etc... so why should the game invest financially into content for them if they know they aren't going to get any long-term return? ZOS knows where the money comes from, and while many of you may not like it, that's what is called... BUSINESS. ZOS is here to make a profit, not offer freebies with little to no return. They know who is running what content, and how much each of those players are spending in the game... so yes, as @MEBengalsFan2001 noted above, they are definitely using data to make their game development decisions.

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

They need to throw veteran players a bone from time to time too or we'll all leave.

<5 per cent of the community responsible for <1 per cent of the profits? Where's the loss for them?

Proof: Heart of Thorns. Went hardcore. Cash shop profits dried up almost instantly. Almost killed ArenaNet. Also Craglorn. Also Cadwell's Gold/Silver. Also Wildstar. Also Battleborn. You know this is true.

You guys keep asking for too much and paying for too little. Exactly the opposite of what the casual community does.

Lark82 wrote: »

They are never gonna please everyone but I think we get a pretty good deal overall.

This is the problem that all MMO devs face, trying to please the masses. Some players want more dungeons, other want trials, other want open world content, some want better stories, others want PVP, and than there are those that would like an expansion to create 50 man dungeons (yeah I want this).

The thing is this, the devs have to use what they have to make decisions. Just like other businesses, data drives their choices. What we say here is just a small sample of the overall gaming community of ESO and because of that, devs cannot just listen to the forum members. They need to listen to in game chat, social media and other means by which feedback is provided to them. The direction of ESO does not come from one single thing it is a collection of data to drive this game forward.

monthly pvp balance patches would be better for me, and a new zone yearly which will contain the area with its main and side quests, two dungeons or a trial

Grunge wrote: »

Yeah we need / deserve at least 1 pvp dlc / year.

This is a word that too many people use too often.

No one deserves anything, entitlement is 90% of the worlds pain.

The unfortunate truth about ESO is the developers made a bad choice, highlighting PVP as end game when the game first launched, this game does not lend itself well to PVP like DAoC did, and that was inevitable, many of us long time Elder Scrolls fans tried very hard to talk the devs out of this every time we saw them, and they chose not to listen.

But what the hard core TES fans saw happening actually happened....PVP more or less died, because that simply isn't what fans of the series wanted, they wanted Skyrim with friends, and the developers backed off on PVP, to be fair they also backed off on end game raiding too (yes they still do trials but ESO isn't raid or die like WoW)

I know hard core PVP players hate to hear this but, ESO is about the story and the journey, and that is where it's found it's audience (because those players were waiting for ZoS to finally get it, it took damn near a year but they did) Most serious PVP players left ESO for the gankfest dujour that is being cranked out on a bi-monthly basis by lazy devs looking for quick cash.


Does this mean that PVP is totally ignored? Hardly, but it isn't a priority the way it once was. Honestly I'm surprised that the smallish PVP community has stuck around at all, but that is also what is great about ESO we got folks who fish all day and those who do nothing but BG's.

I think there are better choices for the PVP centric MMo player and I say that as a hardcore DAoC player back in the day...I just don't think a PVP DLC is worth the devs time and would probably get them raked over the coals by folks who are expecting the content expectations ZoS has set for themselves.

Lyserus wrote: »

Have to say I kinda hoped to have 2 story dlcs, since they offer way more content than dungeon dlcs, but I guess it's not...

Look over Tamriel Map, few more zones DLC or Chapter and its going to complete. Seems like, they do not have choice but to release dungeon dlc.

More important is what zos plans are for next 3-4 years.