PVP Tier List for 1vX Cyrodiil (Opinion)
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✭idk personally I don't think magblade deserves A tier especially with sloads (which everyone and their granny is running) breaking cloak and also taking into consideration that sorc is "just" B tier, I wouldnt place magblade higher.
No? Magblade performing better than sorc this patch. Don't you agree?
and if not pls explain y for the board.Edited by Betsararie on June 12, 2018 8:40AM0 -
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In groups larger 6 StamDKs, StamBlades, and sometimes even a Stamplar are a liability.
In groups smaller 3 Stamblades excel.
The StamWarden however, is only very slowly losing power with an increased group size. An able support StamWarden (able to purge, rapid, heal, debuff and DPS) is the most important group member from 4-6. At 8-10 he is on par with Magplars, Magblades, StamSorcs and MagSorcs who start overtaking him.Hauptmann der Dolche des Königs
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Magblade is definately not performing better than magsorc in the current patch. At best they are at break even. In the current meta the hot stacking of magblade is eliminated by the hordes of defile spammers, while cloak is being countered by sloads users. That leaves the magblade with little tools to defend themself other than shade.idk personally I don't think magblade deserves A tier especially with sloads (which everyone and their granny is running) breaking cloak and also taking into consideration that sorc is "just" B tier, I wouldnt place magblade higher.
No? Magblade performing better than sorc this patch. Don't you agree?
and if not pls explain y for the board.
It is still better than what other classes have currently, and Magsorcs have similar problems, although offensively their burst is easier and faster. Again, I am talking this patch, with the new rune cage burst and overall increased damage which opens up a lot of 1 gcd one shots when cage, curse, frag and execute all hit at the same time. Previous patch I would have given magblade the edge though.0 -
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Magblade is definately not performing better than magsorc in the current patch. At best they are at break even. In the current meta the hot stacking of magblade is eliminated by the hordes of defile spammers, while cloak is being countered by sloads users. That leaves the magblade with little tools to defend themself other than shade.idk personally I don't think magblade deserves A tier especially with sloads (which everyone and their granny is running) breaking cloak and also taking into consideration that sorc is "just" B tier, I wouldnt place magblade higher.
No? Magblade performing better than sorc this patch. Don't you agree?
and if not pls explain y for the board.
It is still better than what other classes have currently, and Magsorcs have similar problems, although offensively their burst is easier and faster. Again, I am talking this patch, with the new rune cage burst and overall increased damage which opens up a lot of 1 gcd one shots when cage, curse, frag and execute all hit at the same time. Previous patch I would have given magblade the edge though.
Strongly disagree. Heavy mageblade outperforms sorc in most situationsEdited by Lexxypwns on June 12, 2018 11:13AM0 -
GC0✭✭✭This is probably the single most unconsidered class rating I've ever seen in this whole game. It seems you have no idea about some of the classes. Yes stamden and stamnb are amazing but magnb rated so high? You alright man? Magsorc being the same level as stamplar is completely stupid as well. Stamplar is the worst this patch that it's ever been ever since morrowind and 'being able to purge' does not work against sloads as some people may suggest because the class dies no matter what. Dude wtf. Majority of the classes which are below your S tier need to be rated again and properly. Good meme.PC - EU
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✭This is probably the single most unconsidered class rating I've ever seen in this whole game. It seems you have no idea about some of the classes. Yes stamden and stamnb are amazing but magnb rated so high? You alright man? Magsorc being the same level as stamplar is completely stupid as well. Stamplar is the worst this patch that it's ever been ever since morrowind and 'being able to purge' does not work against sloads as some people may suggest because the class dies no matter what. Dude wtf. Majority of the classes which are below your S tier need to be rated again and properly. Good meme.
MNB is not that weak. It is up there. And disagreed on Stamplar being in the worst spot this patch. Stamplars are one of the few specs as someone called sixty5 or so calls it, 'stacking ungodly amount of healing' to counter Sload's. They may not be the best stam spec but, they are definitely not the worst affected by Sload's. NBs and Sorcs probably are the most adversely affected due to it severely countering their defensive abilities but they also can counter this problem with their offensives in certain situations like 1v1.Edited by IZZEFlameLash on June 12, 2018 11:26AMImperials, the one and true masters of all mortal races of Tamriel0 -
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In last patch I would have agreed, but sorc burst is pretty overtuned at the moment, which imo gives them the edge. Also, what do you mean with "heavy magblade"? That is a bit vague. Does that build utilize cloak, or not? Or are you talking about that cancer build with durok's and sloads? If the latter, I wouldn't take these sets into consideration because every class can steamroll in no CP with that setup.
Magblade is definately not performing better than magsorc in the current patch. At best they are at break even. In the current meta the hot stacking of magblade is eliminated by the hordes of defile spammers, while cloak is being countered by sloads users. That leaves the magblade with little tools to defend themself other than shade.idk personally I don't think magblade deserves A tier especially with sloads (which everyone and their granny is running) breaking cloak and also taking into consideration that sorc is "just" B tier, I wouldnt place magblade higher.
No? Magblade performing better than sorc this patch. Don't you agree?
and if not pls explain y for the board.
It is still better than what other classes have currently, and Magsorcs have similar problems, although offensively their burst is easier and faster. Again, I am talking this patch, with the new rune cage burst and overall increased damage which opens up a lot of 1 gcd one shots when cage, curse, frag and execute all hit at the same time. Previous patch I would have given magblade the edge though.
Strongly disagree. Heavy mageblade outperforms sorc in most situations
I gave heavy magblade a very good try with multiple sets, but your hots (swallow soul, rapid regen, path and siphoning strikes) together simply cannot deal with the defiles and damage levels in no CP BG's at the moment. With healing ward as your only burst defense, I have found it to be insufficient to deal with all the burst damage and sloads stacking. This could well be an L2P issue on my part, but when I compare my performance on my other toons against the different classes, I think magsorcs are a lot more dangerous than magblades at the moment. If there is anything I am missing, please enlighten me, because I miss playing magblade a lot. I have tried so many things to counter this meta my head is hurting.2 -
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In last patch I would have agreed, but sorc burst is pretty overtuned at the moment, which imo gives them the edge. Also, what do you mean with "heavy magblade"? That is a bit vague. Does that build utilize cloak, or not? Or are you talking about that cancer build with durok's and sloads? If the latter, I wouldn't take these sets into consideration because every class can steamroll in no CP with that setup.
Magblade is definately not performing better than magsorc in the current patch. At best they are at break even. In the current meta the hot stacking of magblade is eliminated by the hordes of defile spammers, while cloak is being countered by sloads users. That leaves the magblade with little tools to defend themself other than shade.idk personally I don't think magblade deserves A tier especially with sloads (which everyone and their granny is running) breaking cloak and also taking into consideration that sorc is "just" B tier, I wouldnt place magblade higher.
No? Magblade performing better than sorc this patch. Don't you agree?
and if not pls explain y for the board.
It is still better than what other classes have currently, and Magsorcs have similar problems, although offensively their burst is easier and faster. Again, I am talking this patch, with the new rune cage burst and overall increased damage which opens up a lot of 1 gcd one shots when cage, curse, frag and execute all hit at the same time. Previous patch I would have given magblade the edge though.
Strongly disagree. Heavy mageblade outperforms sorc in most situations
I gave heavy magblade a very good try with multiple sets, but your hots (swallow soul, rapid regen, path and siphoning strikes) together simply cannot deal with the defiles and damage levels in no CP BG's at the moment. With healing ward as your only burst defense, I have found it to be insufficient to deal with all the burst damage and sloads stacking. This could well be an L2P issue on my part, but when I compare my performance on my other toons against the different classes, I think magsorcs are a lot more dangerous than magblades at the moment. If there is anything I am missing, please enlighten me, because I miss playing magblade a lot. I have tried so many things to counter this meta my head is hurting.
You’re correct that if you choose to handicap yourself by running suboptimal gear on one spec but not the other then mag sorc will outperform mageblade. Since you’re comparing mageblade in Sub-optimal conditions you should consider a sorc in suboptimal gear as well.
I agree that sorc burst is strong, but mageblade burst is similarly strong and they have far superior fight control between shade and cripple. I’m updating my mageblade build thread tonight, but imo mageblade is the best equipped non-Templar to survive Defiles and Sloads0 -
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✭Master_Kas wrote: »How can magblade be on A tier and not magsorc?
Don't hang me forumsorcs
Other than that no comments.
Shields melt with more than 2 moderately competent dps on them sometimes it only takes one. This gives you a fraction of a millisecond to pull off your burst or you're dead. This is from personal experience running a build with 45k+ magicka on it stacking 3 shields.Zaghigoth- Orc Stamplar
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Mag NB
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Stam Sorc
Rest are pretty balanced apart from Mag Templar and Mag Warden, I don't even blame them for wearing Sloads.PC EU1 -
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✭✭thankyourat wrote: »For 1vX I would put all Stam classes and mag sorc higher than the other 4 Magicka builds. With probably Stamden number 1 followed by stamblade and mag sorc. Then Stam dk, Stam sorc and stamplar all being about even. And then the other 4 Magicka classes are all pretty much even with magplar probably being the worse
When was the last time you saw a mag sorc 1vX? I only ever see 2 (which is OP AF btw) or 1 on their own but with other players hitting them as well.PC EU0 -
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✭✭usmguy1234 wrote: »Master_Kas wrote: »How can magblade be on A tier and not magsorc?
Don't hang me forumsorcs
Other than that no comments.
Shields melt with more than 2 moderately competent dps on them sometimes it only takes one. This gives you a fraction of a millisecond to pull off your burst or you're dead. This is from personal experience running a build with 45k+ magicka on it stacking 3 shields.
That will happen to a magblade aswell on top of cloak being broken. Sorc and magblade should be in the same tier atleast this patch with the overtuned runecage change.
But I know the forumsorcs will come to the rescue.
I see more magsorcs pulling 1vNoobs than magblades atleast.EU | PC2 -
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It can be done against similarly skilled players if you capitalize on their mistakes.
You can also kill one or two and disengage if you're good enough.
“Opportunities multiply as they are seized.” ― Sun Tzu
One of these days we’ll figure out your @ name in game so we can view posts like that in context.
Do you disagree?
No, which is what makes me so curious.
Just because I am stating a fact about a 1vX situation with equally skilled players does not mean I am claiming to be some famous PVPer or that I 1vX the top 1%.
My comment was meant as a compliment, not a challenge.
The top, when viewed from the bottom, appears very different different than it does when viewed from a different angle. You can tell a lot about a player from how they rank the classes and which classes they complain about. Like the guy above who is talking about how mag sorcs should be higher due to their burst... that comment tells me far more about his own level of play than it does about how high sorcs should or shouldn’t be ranked.
So that’s why I’m curious. Your rankings seem too accurate to have been conjured up by a zergling or low/mid tier player. There could be some slight adjustments but overall it holds up. You also make a few important distinctions about what 1vX is and isn’t... and those distinctions are not facts that are apparent to people who haven’t tried it before.
So my new assumption of you is that you’re far better than I had previoisly given you credit for.. which is why I’m intrieged.PC NA - @dazkt - Dazk Ardoonkt / Sir Thogalot / Dask Dragoh’t / Dazk Dragoh’t / El Thogardo
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✭✭✭For 1vX, and related 1vX meta builds. Considering everything, including sloads.
Stamden. Best innate tankiness, great regen, good AoE burst, broken healing, having burst and FM, vigor and lotus, can easily and cheaply shut down a ranged build with heroism. Great especially in the sloads meta.
Stamblade: Sloads sux, but cloak is incredibly brokenly OP for OW, it scales excellently vs numbers due to being discrete and requiring no scaling, mitigates a lot with dots, force misses, untargetable, only has a singular cost, the invis can be used for getaways and offense.
Magblades: More difficult burst than a stamblade, but benefits from cloak more and has decent healing, the extra healing and potential good escape is why it is above sorc, shields alone 1vX melt.
Beyond that Magsorc/stamsorc>MagDK/Magplar/Stamplar>StamDK/Magden.
Temp isn't bottom because purge is decent for sloads/bleed meta.
Edited by ak_pvp on June 12, 2018 7:00PMMagDK main. PC/EU @AK-ESO
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In last patch I would have agreed, but sorc burst is pretty overtuned at the moment, which imo gives them the edge. Also, what do you mean with "heavy magblade"? That is a bit vague. Does that build utilize cloak, or not? Or are you talking about that cancer build with durok's and sloads? If the latter, I wouldn't take these sets into consideration because every class can steamroll in no CP with that setup.
Magblade is definately not performing better than magsorc in the current patch. At best they are at break even. In the current meta the hot stacking of magblade is eliminated by the hordes of defile spammers, while cloak is being countered by sloads users. That leaves the magblade with little tools to defend themself other than shade.idk personally I don't think magblade deserves A tier especially with sloads (which everyone and their granny is running) breaking cloak and also taking into consideration that sorc is "just" B tier, I wouldnt place magblade higher.
No? Magblade performing better than sorc this patch. Don't you agree?
and if not pls explain y for the board.
It is still better than what other classes have currently, and Magsorcs have similar problems, although offensively their burst is easier and faster. Again, I am talking this patch, with the new rune cage burst and overall increased damage which opens up a lot of 1 gcd one shots when cage, curse, frag and execute all hit at the same time. Previous patch I would have given magblade the edge though.
Strongly disagree. Heavy mageblade outperforms sorc in most situations
I gave heavy magblade a very good try with multiple sets, but your hots (swallow soul, rapid regen, path and siphoning strikes) together simply cannot deal with the defiles and damage levels in no CP BG's at the moment. With healing ward as your only burst defense, I have found it to be insufficient to deal with all the burst damage and sloads stacking. This could well be an L2P issue on my part, but when I compare my performance on my other toons against the different classes, I think magsorcs are a lot more dangerous than magblades at the moment. If there is anything I am missing, please enlighten me, because I miss playing magblade a lot. I have tried so many things to counter this meta my head is hurting.
Burst is not the only factor when considering 1vX capability. A skilled player will CC the sorc when their shields drop or are knocked off. At that point you have a light armor player that will be gone in seconds. Imagine a 1vX situation with two or even three people ripping into the shields. The sorc is forced on the defensive as it struggles to reapply those shields which is expensive magicka wise.
This hinders its ability to 1vX on the same level as magblade which has cloak.0 -
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It can be done against similarly skilled players if you capitalize on their mistakes.
You can also kill one or two and disengage if you're good enough.
“Opportunities multiply as they are seized.” ― Sun Tzu
One of these days we’ll figure out your @ name in game so we can view posts like that in context.
Do you disagree?
No, which is what makes me so curious.
Just because I am stating a fact about a 1vX situation with equally skilled players does not mean I am claiming to be some famous PVPer or that I 1vX the top 1%.
My comment was meant as a compliment, not a challenge.
The top, when viewed from the bottom, appears very different different than it does when viewed from a different angle. You can tell a lot about a player from how they rank the classes and which classes they complain about. Like the guy above who is talking about how mag sorcs should be higher due to their burst... that comment tells me far more about his own level of play than it does about how high sorcs should or shouldn’t be ranked.
So that’s why I’m curious. Your rankings seem too accurate to have been conjured up by a zergling or low/mid tier player. There could be some slight adjustments but overall it holds up. You also make a few important distinctions about what 1vX is and isn’t... and those distinctions are not facts that are apparent to people who haven’t tried it before.
So my new assumption of you is that you’re far better than I had previoisly given you credit for.. which is why I’m intrieged.
I have no issue with sorcs, the best ones in OW usually ends in a draw with one of us getting reinforcments.
Thing is sorcerer burst is way easier to pull of in a "1vX" because it is faster, than weaving 5 lightattacks to proc will.
I've yet to see any magblade pull of 1vX in PC/Vivec/EU unless it was a good player fighting 2-3 beginners or similar. But vs those kind of enemies a sorc would just do it faster this patch.
I do not even main magblade currently fyi.
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✭Master_Kas wrote: »
It can be done against similarly skilled players if you capitalize on their mistakes.
You can also kill one or two and disengage if you're good enough.
“Opportunities multiply as they are seized.” ― Sun Tzu
One of these days we’ll figure out your @ name in game so we can view posts like that in context.
Do you disagree?
No, which is what makes me so curious.
Just because I am stating a fact about a 1vX situation with equally skilled players does not mean I am claiming to be some famous PVPer or that I 1vX the top 1%.
My comment was meant as a compliment, not a challenge.
The top, when viewed from the bottom, appears very different different than it does when viewed from a different angle. You can tell a lot about a player from how they rank the classes and which classes they complain about. Like the guy above who is talking about how mag sorcs should be higher due to their burst... that comment tells me far more about his own level of play than it does about how high sorcs should or shouldn’t be ranked.
So that’s why I’m curious. Your rankings seem too accurate to have been conjured up by a zergling or low/mid tier player. There could be some slight adjustments but overall it holds up. You also make a few important distinctions about what 1vX is and isn’t... and those distinctions are not facts that are apparent to people who haven’t tried it before.
So my new assumption of you is that you’re far better than I had previoisly given you credit for.. which is why I’m intrieged.
I have no issue with sorcs, the best ones in OW usually ends in a draw with one of us getting reinforcments.
Thing is sorcerer burst is way easier to pull of in a "1vX" because it is faster, than weaving 5 lightattacks to proc will.
I've yet to see any magblade pull of 1vX in PC/Vivec/EU unless it was a good player fighting 2-3 beginners or similar. But vs those kind of enemies a sorc would just do it faster this patch.
I do not even main magblade currently fyi.
Carry on
Here's a stamblade and magblade PVP montage I found. Hopefully it will paint a better picture for you.
https://youtu.be/1tGueyT5lls?t=2m36s Edited by Knowledge on June 12, 2018 6:58PM0 -
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✭Good to see more people saying stamden for us good players it's arguably the most OP class top of S tier.0 -
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Magblade is definately not performing better than magsorc in the current patch. At best they are at break even. In the current meta the hot stacking of magblade is eliminated by the hordes of defile spammers, while cloak is being countered by sloads users. That leaves the magblade with little tools to defend themself other than shade.idk personally I don't think magblade deserves A tier especially with sloads (which everyone and their granny is running) breaking cloak and also taking into consideration that sorc is "just" B tier, I wouldnt place magblade higher.
No? Magblade performing better than sorc this patch. Don't you agree?
and if not pls explain y for the board.
It is still better than what other classes have currently, and Magsorcs have similar problems, although offensively their burst is easier and faster. Again, I am talking this patch, with the new rune cage burst and overall increased damage which opens up a lot of 1 gcd one shots when cage, curse, frag and execute all hit at the same time. Previous patch I would have given magblade the edge though.
Strongly disagree. Heavy mageblade outperforms sorc in most situations
Found the smarty boy. The dudes trying to argue sorc is still better than magblade this patch needs to get a clue soon imo.0 -
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Magblade is definately not performing better than magsorc in the current patch. At best they are at break even. In the current meta the hot stacking of magblade is eliminated by the hordes of defile spammers, while cloak is being countered by sloads users. That leaves the magblade with little tools to defend themself other than shade.idk personally I don't think magblade deserves A tier especially with sloads (which everyone and their granny is running) breaking cloak and also taking into consideration that sorc is "just" B tier, I wouldnt place magblade higher.
No? Magblade performing better than sorc this patch. Don't you agree?
and if not pls explain y for the board.
It is still better than what other classes have currently, and Magsorcs have similar problems, although offensively their burst is easier and faster. Again, I am talking this patch, with the new rune cage burst and overall increased damage which opens up a lot of 1 gcd one shots when cage, curse, frag and execute all hit at the same time. Previous patch I would have given magblade the edge though.
Strongly disagree. Heavy mageblade outperforms sorc in most situations
Found the smarty boy. The dudes trying to argue sorc is still better than magblade this patch needs to get a clue soon imo.
Sorc is not better than magblade in 1vX situations. It lacks tools that the magblade brings to the table. People are focused too heavily on sorc "burst" or damage output. You can deal all of the damage in the world but if you can't stay alive it is for nothing.
Once those shields go down and they will go down it's gg against even decent players while outnumbered.2 -
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Magblade is definately not performing better than magsorc in the current patch. At best they are at break even. In the current meta the hot stacking of magblade is eliminated by the hordes of defile spammers, while cloak is being countered by sloads users. That leaves the magblade with little tools to defend themself other than shade.idk personally I don't think magblade deserves A tier especially with sloads (which everyone and their granny is running) breaking cloak and also taking into consideration that sorc is "just" B tier, I wouldnt place magblade higher.
No? Magblade performing better than sorc this patch. Don't you agree?
and if not pls explain y for the board.
It is still better than what other classes have currently, and Magsorcs have similar problems, although offensively their burst is easier and faster. Again, I am talking this patch, with the new rune cage burst and overall increased damage which opens up a lot of 1 gcd one shots when cage, curse, frag and execute all hit at the same time. Previous patch I would have given magblade the edge though.
Strongly disagree. Heavy mageblade outperforms sorc in most situations
Found the smarty boy. The dudes trying to argue sorc is still better than magblade this patch needs to get a clue soon imo.
Sorc is not better than magblade in 1vX situations. It lacks tools that the magblade brings to the table. People are focused too heavily on sorc "burst" or damage output. You can deal all of the damage in the world but if you can't stay alive it is for nothing.
Once those shields go down and they will go down it's gg against even decent players while outnumbered.
Just out of curiosity, how is magblade any different?
Last I checked they get even less shields to stack and drop even faster once you're sloaded/marked/det potted and unable to cloak at all.4 -
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Magblade is definately not performing better than magsorc in the current patch. At best they are at break even. In the current meta the hot stacking of magblade is eliminated by the hordes of defile spammers, while cloak is being countered by sloads users. That leaves the magblade with little tools to defend themself other than shade.idk personally I don't think magblade deserves A tier especially with sloads (which everyone and their granny is running) breaking cloak and also taking into consideration that sorc is "just" B tier, I wouldnt place magblade higher.
No? Magblade performing better than sorc this patch. Don't you agree?
and if not pls explain y for the board.
It is still better than what other classes have currently, and Magsorcs have similar problems, although offensively their burst is easier and faster. Again, I am talking this patch, with the new rune cage burst and overall increased damage which opens up a lot of 1 gcd one shots when cage, curse, frag and execute all hit at the same time. Previous patch I would have given magblade the edge though.
Strongly disagree. Heavy mageblade outperforms sorc in most situations
Found the smarty boy. The dudes trying to argue sorc is still better than magblade this patch needs to get a clue soon imo.
Sorc is not better than magblade in 1vX situations. It lacks tools that the magblade brings to the table. People are focused too heavily on sorc "burst" or damage output. You can deal all of the damage in the world but if you can't stay alive it is for nothing.
Once those shields go down and they will go down it's gg against even decent players while outnumbered.
true. Sorc's defensive capability consist of: shields (crap), streak, and lightning form imo which gives major expedition and a small resistance buff.
That ain't that much. So if you're outnumbered as a sorc your only choice is try and run because your shields won't hold up and then as soon as they catch up to you you're dead.
SnB turtling offers a higher survivability probability as does the magblade defensive kit imo look no further than duels for good proof of that.1 -
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Magblade is definately not performing better than magsorc in the current patch. At best they are at break even. In the current meta the hot stacking of magblade is eliminated by the hordes of defile spammers, while cloak is being countered by sloads users. That leaves the magblade with little tools to defend themself other than shade.idk personally I don't think magblade deserves A tier especially with sloads (which everyone and their granny is running) breaking cloak and also taking into consideration that sorc is "just" B tier, I wouldnt place magblade higher.
No? Magblade performing better than sorc this patch. Don't you agree?
and if not pls explain y for the board.
It is still better than what other classes have currently, and Magsorcs have similar problems, although offensively their burst is easier and faster. Again, I am talking this patch, with the new rune cage burst and overall increased damage which opens up a lot of 1 gcd one shots when cage, curse, frag and execute all hit at the same time. Previous patch I would have given magblade the edge though.
Strongly disagree. Heavy mageblade outperforms sorc in most situations
Found the smarty boy. The dudes trying to argue sorc is still better than magblade this patch needs to get a clue soon imo.
Sorc is not better than magblade in 1vX situations. It lacks tools that the magblade brings to the table. People are focused too heavily on sorc "burst" or damage output. You can deal all of the damage in the world but if you can't stay alive it is for nothing.
Once those shields go down and they will go down it's gg against even decent players while outnumbered.
Just out of curiosity, how is magblade any different?
Last I checked they get even less shields to stack and drop even faster once you're sloaded/marked/det potted and unable to cloak at all.
Stealth IS NOT part of the mageblade meta at all anymore. Running and relying on shadowy disguise is an off meta decision.
We’ve already addressed that non-optimal mageblade builds aren’t superior to optimal mag sorc builds.
A mageblade can dodge cancel a healing ward and regain 30% of its health before the invulnerability frame ends
Edited by Lexxypwns on June 12, 2018 8:06PM1 -
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Magblade is definately not performing better than magsorc in the current patch. At best they are at break even. In the current meta the hot stacking of magblade is eliminated by the hordes of defile spammers, while cloak is being countered by sloads users. That leaves the magblade with little tools to defend themself other than shade.idk personally I don't think magblade deserves A tier especially with sloads (which everyone and their granny is running) breaking cloak and also taking into consideration that sorc is "just" B tier, I wouldnt place magblade higher.
No? Magblade performing better than sorc this patch. Don't you agree?
and if not pls explain y for the board.
It is still better than what other classes have currently, and Magsorcs have similar problems, although offensively their burst is easier and faster. Again, I am talking this patch, with the new rune cage burst and overall increased damage which opens up a lot of 1 gcd one shots when cage, curse, frag and execute all hit at the same time. Previous patch I would have given magblade the edge though.
Strongly disagree. Heavy mageblade outperforms sorc in most situations
Found the smarty boy. The dudes trying to argue sorc is still better than magblade this patch needs to get a clue soon imo.
Sorc is not better than magblade in 1vX situations. It lacks tools that the magblade brings to the table. People are focused too heavily on sorc "burst" or damage output. You can deal all of the damage in the world but if you can't stay alive it is for nothing.
Once those shields go down and they will go down it's gg against even decent players while outnumbered.
Just out of curiosity, how is magblade any different?
Last I checked they get even less shields to stack and drop even faster once you're sloaded/marked/det potted and unable to cloak at all.
Stealth IS NOT part of the mageblade meta at all anymore. Running and relying on shadowy disguise is an off meta decision.
We’ve already addressed that non-optimal mageblade builds aren’t superior to optimal mag sorc builds.
A mageblade can dodge cancel a healing ward and regain 30% of its health before the invulnerability frame ends
I don't think that's the magblade meta though. Wether or not it's the most effective way to play is a different story. I believe the magblade meta is bombing, and the dueling small scale builds for the most part use Cloak and light armor. I rarely encounter heavy armor magblades. In my opinion heavy armor has been bis for magblade since dark brotherhood. I just think most people don't enjoy that playstyle so I don't think it will every catch on and be meta.0 -
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Magblade is definately not performing better than magsorc in the current patch. At best they are at break even. In the current meta the hot stacking of magblade is eliminated by the hordes of defile spammers, while cloak is being countered by sloads users. That leaves the magblade with little tools to defend themself other than shade.idk personally I don't think magblade deserves A tier especially with sloads (which everyone and their granny is running) breaking cloak and also taking into consideration that sorc is "just" B tier, I wouldnt place magblade higher.
No? Magblade performing better than sorc this patch. Don't you agree?
and if not pls explain y for the board.
It is still better than what other classes have currently, and Magsorcs have similar problems, although offensively their burst is easier and faster. Again, I am talking this patch, with the new rune cage burst and overall increased damage which opens up a lot of 1 gcd one shots when cage, curse, frag and execute all hit at the same time. Previous patch I would have given magblade the edge though.
Strongly disagree. Heavy mageblade outperforms sorc in most situations
Found the smarty boy. The dudes trying to argue sorc is still better than magblade this patch needs to get a clue soon imo.
Sorc is not better than magblade in 1vX situations. It lacks tools that the magblade brings to the table. People are focused too heavily on sorc "burst" or damage output. You can deal all of the damage in the world but if you can't stay alive it is for nothing.
Once those shields go down and they will go down it's gg against even decent players while outnumbered.
Just out of curiosity, how is magblade any different?
Last I checked they get even less shields to stack and drop even faster once you're sloaded/marked/det potted and unable to cloak at all.
The Magblade has more utility, escape, healing. It just has a larger toolkit.
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✭Someone looking to primarily 1vX and solo should look at the S tier classes first. The magsorc and magblade discussion isn't really viable as the disparity between them is very small. Magsorc, in my opinion, is just barely in B tier.
Neither of these classes are going to be your go-to solo pvp class in any case.1 -
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✭When looking at the classes we have to look at them objectively.
People seem to focus on burst which should not be the first concern.
When looking at the classes I look at their capability in this order.- Survivability - Some would argue the StamDK is durable but this is only true in the short term. It cannot mitigate the incoming damage by dispatching the enemy expediently. The best way to survive is to kill your opponents which will lessen your incoming damage before "blowing out".
- Sustainability - This includes the ability to continue doing damage while staying alive.
- Mobility - In order to properly 1vX you need to be mobile. (MagDK and StamDK lack mobility)
- Pressure - This forces your opponent(s) to remain on the defensive and contributes to sustain and survival.
- Burst - Burst is important in PVP but in 1vX pressure is more important. If the enemy can heal your burst you have wasted resources. A sorc burst may not compare adequately to the S tier classes and may be survived or put the sorc in a bad situation.
Edited by Knowledge on June 12, 2018 9:03PM1 -
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I don't believe that shade will save you when you get jumped with an ult and cc'ed, snared, rooted. Because you first need to kite away in order to make use of it. Mirage can be nice, but is ultimately rng based. The magblade heals over time are also not that good when you are being defiled into oblivion and have sloads ticking on you. The magblade toolkit has the potential to be superior to sorc and it always was. But in the current meta where everyone and their brother is running defile, and where burst damage has vastly rampened up, I personally think the sorc toolkit is more reliable.
Magblade is definately not performing better than magsorc in the current patch. At best they are at break even. In the current meta the hot stacking of magblade is eliminated by the hordes of defile spammers, while cloak is being countered by sloads users. That leaves the magblade with little tools to defend themself other than shade.idk personally I don't think magblade deserves A tier especially with sloads (which everyone and their granny is running) breaking cloak and also taking into consideration that sorc is "just" B tier, I wouldnt place magblade higher.
No? Magblade performing better than sorc this patch. Don't you agree?
and if not pls explain y for the board.
It is still better than what other classes have currently, and Magsorcs have similar problems, although offensively their burst is easier and faster. Again, I am talking this patch, with the new rune cage burst and overall increased damage which opens up a lot of 1 gcd one shots when cage, curse, frag and execute all hit at the same time. Previous patch I would have given magblade the edge though.
Strongly disagree. Heavy mageblade outperforms sorc in most situations
Found the smarty boy. The dudes trying to argue sorc is still better than magblade this patch needs to get a clue soon imo.
Sorc is not better than magblade in 1vX situations. It lacks tools that the magblade brings to the table. People are focused too heavily on sorc "burst" or damage output. You can deal all of the damage in the world but if you can't stay alive it is for nothing.
Once those shields go down and they will go down it's gg against even decent players while outnumbered.
Just out of curiosity, how is magblade any different?
Last I checked they get even less shields to stack and drop even faster once you're sloaded/marked/det potted and unable to cloak at all.
The Magblade has more utility, escape, healing. It just has a larger toolkit.
They get an extra shield, can streak to rocks and other places where others cannot reach to escape, place mines and get the upper hand. They can also hard cc at range without it being reflectable or dodgable unlike magblade (looking at you cripple). I will not deny that magblade can be insanely good when played well, but I see a lot more sorcs 1vx'ing succesfully than magblades (anecdotal argument, I know..) and when I play on my stamblade and magplar I have a much easier time killing magblades than I do killing magsorcs. Against magsorcs there is just less room for error and it is a lot easier to play.
This is just my opinion though, based on my personal experience.3 -
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I don't believe that shade will save you when you get jumped with an ult and cc'ed, snared, rooted. Because you first need to kite away in order to make use of it. Mirage can be nice, but is ultimately rng based. The magblade heals over time are also not that good when you are being defiled into oblivion and have sloads ticking on you. The magblade toolkit has the potential to be superior to sorc and it always was. But in the current meta where everyone and their brother is running defile, and where burst damage has vastly rampened up, I personally think the sorc toolkit is more reliable.
Magblade is definately not performing better than magsorc in the current patch. At best they are at break even. In the current meta the hot stacking of magblade is eliminated by the hordes of defile spammers, while cloak is being countered by sloads users. That leaves the magblade with little tools to defend themself other than shade.idk personally I don't think magblade deserves A tier especially with sloads (which everyone and their granny is running) breaking cloak and also taking into consideration that sorc is "just" B tier, I wouldnt place magblade higher.
No? Magblade performing better than sorc this patch. Don't you agree?
and if not pls explain y for the board.
It is still better than what other classes have currently, and Magsorcs have similar problems, although offensively their burst is easier and faster. Again, I am talking this patch, with the new rune cage burst and overall increased damage which opens up a lot of 1 gcd one shots when cage, curse, frag and execute all hit at the same time. Previous patch I would have given magblade the edge though.
Strongly disagree. Heavy mageblade outperforms sorc in most situations
Found the smarty boy. The dudes trying to argue sorc is still better than magblade this patch needs to get a clue soon imo.
Sorc is not better than magblade in 1vX situations. It lacks tools that the magblade brings to the table. People are focused too heavily on sorc "burst" or damage output. You can deal all of the damage in the world but if you can't stay alive it is for nothing.
Once those shields go down and they will go down it's gg against even decent players while outnumbered.
Just out of curiosity, how is magblade any different?
Last I checked they get even less shields to stack and drop even faster once you're sloaded/marked/det potted and unable to cloak at all.
The Magblade has more utility, escape, healing. It just has a larger toolkit.
They get an extra shield, can streak to rocks and other places where others cannot reach to escape, place mines and get the upper hand. They can also hard cc at range without it being reflectable or dodgable unlike magblade (looking at you cripple). I will not deny that magblade can be insanely good when played well, but I see a lot more sorcs 1vx'ing succesfully than magblades (anecdotal argument, I know..) and when I play on my stamblade and magplar I have a much easier time killing magblades than I do killing magsorcs. Against magsorcs there is just less room for error and it is a lot easier to play.
This is just my opinion though, based on my personal experience.
The skill cap on MagBlade is much higher than magsorc. But triple stacking shields is not going to get very far against a skilled player. Teleport can become expensive if spammed.0