why so much hate for mag sorcs?

TequilaFire · June 2018

Facefister wrote: »

kikkehs wrote: »

WaltherCarraway wrote: »

PvP is the main reason why everyone can't have fun here.

lol?

PvP is the reason why classes get nerfed or "balanced" to uselessness.
PvP is the reason why unique builds don't exist.
PvP is the reason why the majority of sets, whether they're crafted or dropped, are useless.

The moment some unique set, skill or generally a feature appears, pvpers exploit these to the point where those getting streamlined with existing stuff ingame. Yes, pvp is the reason why we don't have nice things, now go make another thread why Sload's is OP and should be nerfed.

What a list of excuses blamed on PvP because PvE is a faceroll.

gnarlyvandal · June 2018

Daus wrote: »

Their execute gives them an unfair advantage in BGs (they can steal kills from the opposing team with little effort), their damage shields give them better survivability than heavy armor, Rune cage gives magSorcs free kills with no counterplay, Haunting Curse hits hard than incap but it goes off every 2 seconds, and you can't block or dodge it (you can shield it though which is just another reason why damage shields are OP).

Not every 2 seconds as an above post has pointed out.

If a magsorc is shield stacking they aren’t doing any dps, don’t think I ever use more than 1 shield*. And the Sload’s meta right now means shields are less useful than straight up health/heavy armour or healing.

*Side note there is also a new shield everyone has access to as a passive in psijic skill line, as well as the light armour / Resto shields everyone can use as well. Sorcs aren’t alone in having shields.

Rune cage is irritating but by no means gamebreaking; pretty on par with other CC imo as the damage is pretty minor and it only affects one target. There are other cc’s in game that also do damage and affect multiple targets, but rune cage has a longer range as it’s single target.

The execute isn’t more powerful than the mageblade execute, it just has a delay, which means if the player knows what they’re doing they can get a higher burst dmg in for that *single* cast of mages wrath, as they can use the skill just before the enemy hits 25% health and then pair it with something else.

Also, mageblades parse higher dps scores so there is that.. and have free access to minor berserk 8% extra damage as a passive on their merciless skill whilst waiting for the merciless proc, which like the sorcerers execute can be paired with another skill due to the quick animation time. - I do realise merciless isn’t the mb execute, but it can be stacked with another skill in a similar way to mages wrath, except it happens every 5 light attacks instead of once during a fight

Dragon knights and templars don’t have executes, but those classes excel at tanking and healing respectively whilst also having acceptable dps as dd without an execute.

Seems fair to me.

I honestly do think a lot of the magsorc hate is simply meme now, as it’s been around for so long and so many troll with it :’)

Emmagoldman · June 2018

@WaltherCarraway
I think that is probably pre morrowind from 2016. Magsorc was one of the hardest hitting and mobile classes and great 1 v 1 but hasnt won as I believe since november in duel competitions. Magblade can line up bigger burst though I feel it takes a slightly higher learning curve, stamblades can minor, major defile or stack into ult builds to apply incap, stamwarden has great mobility and even with the nerf, awesome burst

1) history: during the past, as the person above is stuck in, pirate skelton procd on shields. People blamed everything, yet when the set was nerfed, magsorc lost popluarity quickly.

2) It depends if its pve or pvp. For pve, magsorc has dominated for a long time but now is outdone by magblade. Dont feel like you need to reroll, its still fine to play. For pvers, the complaint was justified

3) In pvp, I think a vast majority of the complaints come from stamblades which are by far the most played class. Magsorc as a class is a HARD counter to the play style. We have either morph of rune with a hard cc, streak which can uncover a cloaked enemy and curse that leaves damage on them. With sloads, we are more deadly against them because it reveals cloak. I LOVE that people thought this set was going to make magsorcs qq. Can I say told you its bad?

4) magdk hard counter magsorcs. Talons and fossilize are nasty for us. Beating them takes kiting and a lot of pressure, and they can use up our stam pool fast which means ko for us. Lucky for us, magdk isnt a hugely popular class.

Emmagoldman · June 2018

@daus, shields are better than HA? Are we playing the same game? A HA dk/magplar can take way more pressure then shields. Even a warden that can turtle and go offense. Of all of those, we fall the fastest under pressure with numbers. Its not the magsorc inquistion

Kuramas9tails · June 2018

WitchyWarrior wrote: »

They hate us cause they ain't us

I am a MagSorc and my boyfriend and we both find it boring because it's easy. We suggest it for new players. It's not a hard class at all. So is that hate or? The forum is right when they complain about MagSorcs. I remember when their shields were nerfed big time and all the MagSorcs I knew were whining about it and I was a khajiit mageblade beating VMA looking at them like "?????????????? You will be fine bro"

GrigorijMalahevich · June 2018

some comments are really gold, thank you

New/bad players just have a perspective that they can't touch magsorcs due to shields protecting their hp and it can create a feeling of not being effective against shields, but in reality you just have to time your bursts and pay at least "some" attention on when that sorc started to shield. Shields have 6 sec duration and if you are not attacking that sorc, most of them do not re-apply shields and you can easily time your burst.

Lets put on some Kruger perspective:

Bad players are bad players, because they don't understand that they are bad players due to being bad players.

Fair?

usmguy1234 · June 2018

Vanzen wrote: »

When I want to feel delusional that am good at pvp, I jump on my sorc enter BG and spam shield+wrath, feeling overjoyed when I end up first on the leaderboard.

This clas is so easy thats a joke.

At least NB are OP but demand a bit of skill to perform.

When I get back to my DK main, I come back to reality.

Am not that good.

You must be fighting potatoes, be in a very strong premade or lying. If that's all you you do as a sorc in a bg you'll have a bad time.

Slack · June 2018

WaltherCarraway wrote: »

PvP is the main reason why everyone can't have fun here.

Anyone got a counter how often he has posted this in the last few days. Mine says at least 3 times

Biro123 · June 2018

Its simple.

Some people cannot shake their preconceptions that Sorcerers in MMO's are glass cannons. And so they expect them to hit hard, from a distance - but also expect them to crumple when hit in melee...

Ofc, that would make them the only class that crumples when attacked and completely break balance...
This is not most MMO's.

usmguy1234 · June 2018

Rowjoh wrote: »

Wait!

Isn't Cyrodiil awash with overpowered Stam NB's?

and I tried what turned out to be a not-very-good DK pvp build the other day but somehow managed to defeat someone and got told to *** OFF! with my OP cancer build ! lol

same old, same old.

It's called deflection. If nb mains (which there are a ton of) keep Zos distracted with oh noes sorc op, shield spam op typical type crying they won't focus on how overturned incap, cloak.... hell the entire nb tool kit is. I watched an ad nightblade yesterday kite and kill an entire zerg one by one. It literally took him two or three hits to kill a player... and with a flash of cloak like a fart he was gone just to pop out with incap up to nuke another player.

Enslaved · June 2018

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Rowjoh wrote: »

Wait!

Isn't Cyrodiil awash with overpowered Stam NB's?

and I tried what turned out to be a not-very-good DK pvp build the other day but somehow managed to defeat someone and got told to *** OFF! with my OP cancer build ! lol

same old, same old.

It's called deflection. If nb mains (which there are a ton of) keep Zos distracted with oh noes sorc op, shield spam op typical type crying they won't focus on how overturned incap, cloak.... hell the entire nb tool kit is. I watched an ad nightblade yesterday kite and kill an entire zerg one by one. It literally took him two or three hits to kill a player... and with a flash of cloak like a fart he was gone just to pop out with incap up to nuke another player.

Sorc say NB is strong because they cant kill what they cant see.
BTW, from PvE perspective, just see waht VETERAN DLC GROUP content VAOH soloed on sorc and then show me any other class that did that.

Btw, there are more in this game than sorc and nbs. What about magicka warden that is beyond meme at this point? What about stamina DK that is rather weak atm? What about the damned templars?

Chilly-McFreeze · June 2018

Enslaved wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Rowjoh wrote: »

Wait!

Isn't Cyrodiil awash with overpowered Stam NB's?

and I tried what turned out to be a not-very-good DK pvp build the other day but somehow managed to defeat someone and got told to *** OFF! with my OP cancer build ! lol

same old, same old.

It's called deflection. If nb mains (which there are a ton of) keep Zos distracted with oh noes sorc op, shield spam op typical type crying they won't focus on how overturned incap, cloak.... hell the entire nb tool kit is. I watched an ad nightblade yesterday kite and kill an entire zerg one by one. It literally took him two or three hits to kill a player... and with a flash of cloak like a fart he was gone just to pop out with incap up to nuke another player.

Sorc say NB is strong because they cant kill what they cant see.
BTW, from PvE perspective, just see waht VETERAN DLC GROUP content VAOH soloed on sorc and then show me any other class that did that.

Btw, there are more in this game than sorc and nbs. What about magicka warden that is beyond meme at this point? What about stamina DK that is rather weak atm? What about the damned templars?

And what about the latest trial's first clear where NBs outnumbered sorc 7 to 1?

Strider__Roshin · June 2018

Vapirko wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

Their execute gives them an unfair advantage in BGs (they can steal kills from the opposing team with little effort), their damage shields give them better survivability than heavy armor, Rune cage gives magSorcs free kills with no counterplay, Haunting Curse hits hard than incap but it goes off every 2 seconds, and you can't block or dodge it (you can shield it though which is just another reason why damage shields are OP).

Dude, shut up. You’re just making yourself look stupid. If you want to have a discussion about balance great, but don’t come here ranting because you’re getting your ass kicked.

Heavy armor v shields: ever try fighting against bleeds or sloads in shields with no hot, or just in general with no snare removal? Or getting your shield smashed with a DBoS and being defenseless for the follow up? It’s not better. I play both a lot, believe me. They both have their strengths.

Rune Prison: Never had a problem with this ability on my stam toons, idk what else to tell you. Getting caught in rune prison has been more of an issue for my mag sorc than any other class I play.

Curse v incap strike: this is where the stupid really shows. First this doesn’t hit anywhere near as hard as incap, does not have a cc and does not have defile. Secondly, it hits after 3.5 seconds and then again after 8.5 seconds. Where you get every two seconds I cannot fathom, though I imagine it was the same place you got the idea your team is losing death match because mages wrath.

Enough. You’re just spreading a bunch of lies and misinformation. I challenge you to level a mag sorc, play for a while and then come back here with your thoughts.

Except Curse does hit harder. Tool tip wise they're comparable numbers, and against damage shields the difference is negligible, but due to the concentration passive you get from light armor the actual damage done is higher. As far as me leveling up a sorc goes I have one, and truthfully this patch has been very fun for me since I can finally run Necro, Shackle, and Shadowrend. No pet needed to be slotted.

Really bummed about my magDK though. Yeah he's stronger, but I feel obligated to run a destro over DW. Which bothers me since my character's name is Drizzt Do'Urden

Potenza · June 2018

kikkehs wrote: »

WaltherCarraway wrote: »

PvP is the main reason why everyone can't have fun here.

lol?

Yep that chart is total bs. Nicely made for the "nerf Sorc" mob. Resistances got nerfed - mobility got nerfed ---nerf anymore and nothing is left.

josiahva · June 2018

Sorc isnt overpowered by any means...but the high mobility does make it very annoying to play against as a class with low mobility(Mag DK, Magplar). Happily the new Psijic speed skill has helped out with that to some degree, but still not enough since chains still wont reach far enough to grab a sorc who has just streaked away(or maybe it will, but they will have cc immunity) so as mag DK you are forced to run S&B if only for an effective gap closer.

Lylith · June 2018

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

Their execute gives them an unfair advantage in BGs (they can steal kills from the opposing team with little effort), their damage shields give them better survivability than heavy armor, Rune cage gives magSorcs free kills with no counterplay, Haunting Curse hits hard than incap but it goes off every 2 seconds, and you can't block or dodge it (you can shield it though which is just another reason why damage shields are OP).

Now you've wandered off into the weeds even more than usual...

LOL, Haunting Curse does NOT hit harder than Incap, and it does NOT go off every 2 seconds!

and it doesn't stun.

Beardimus · June 2018

JJBoomer wrote: »

I see so many threads complaining about how OP mag sorcs are. But more often than not, those threads seem to just want mag sorcs to have nothing to make them easy kills in PVP, something that shouldn't affect PVE, but that's another issue. From my perspective, all the "nerf mag sorcs" just seem to be people asking for their class to be better, so make something else easier to kill? It rarely actually seems to be for balance's sake.

Can someone explain this to me? This is the only game i've ever played where i've seen people BEG for nerfing lol.

Because noobs, potatoes and scrubs aren't good enough to adapt and kill them.

Generally they lack the skill, and run some OP meta build on the Blade and melt everyone else. So when they hit a Sorc and need to change tactic they don't. And then whine

Frankly Sorc burst has been pathetic for a good while (pre U18) and yet the moaning remained. Sorcs get nerfed and get the moan continues. And really Sorcs are very straightforward to counter you just need to play to their weaknesses

Honestly of ZOS removed Sorcs or made them play naked with the broom as only Weopon the scrubs would still cry. It's actually embarrassing.

Sevn · June 2018

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Because people like to complain. And when they get a pat on their shoulder for reiterating long past nonsense, they get even more out of it.

Sorcs have 2-3 "issues" at the moment.
The first is that rune cage got overbuffed for no reason at all ( and every serious mag sorc complained about that during PTS).
Second is that deathmatch BG mechanics allow for kill stealing. Which could be solved by having better scoring mechanics instead of *** over the class, like many people would handle the situation.
And the third issue is that sorcs have a comparably high skill floor, they are easy to get into, while are complicated to fight against for some noobs who can't count to 6. Since newish players can't just spam stuff and kill a sorc but must use some tactic they are deemed OP.
So, only one problem is a legit concern, the rest are scoring mechanics and attitude issues.

As for shield stacking: with the ever increasing damage, yet alone the buff to light attacks, it's absolutely no issue to burst through a shield in at max 2 gcd. At least not for a competent player.

WaltherCarraway wrote: »

PvP is the main reason why everyone can't have fun here.

I've rarely seen such utter nonsense. Thanks for the laugh. Where did you get that from, do you made that yourself? Very good sustain, pff.

Sevn wrote: »

I'm petty, after seeing so many sorcs beg for NB nerfs I'm all in on returning the favor, op or not.

That's a truely mature way to act, noble forum user.

Ender1310 wrote: »

There was a time when sorc was god mode whose offense and defense scales with one stat giving insane damage and it's true best mobility.

You mean it's the only class that has survivability (like healing) scale on the same stats like damage? Same goes for most heals. That generic light armor shield scales with the same resources that power up your damage. Some defensive skills don't need any scaling at all (heal for x% of missing..., mist form, cloak, shade).

Sorc's mobility is not as powerful as it should be, if you consider the fact that you can run after a streaking sorc with just major expedition and sprint, not even those swifty traits are needed. And yes, gap closers are a thing with no cost increase and longer range. Where do magsorcs get their snare removal from? Right, from nowhere if they don't want to run a stamina weapon and therefore go with worse healing by not slotting a resto staff. And not to forget that everyone can have 36+ seconds of major expedition thanks to the new skill line.

But yep, they are no longer as powerful as in the past.

Daus wrote: »

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

Their execute gives them an unfair advantage in BGs (they can steal kills from the opposing team with little effort), their damage shields give them better survivability than heavy armor, Rune cage gives magSorcs free kills with no counterplay, Haunting Curse hits hard than incap but it goes off every 2 seconds, and you can't block or dodge it (you can shield it though which is just another reason why damage shields are OP).

Now you've wandered off into the weeds even more than usual...

LOL, Haunting Curse does NOT hit harder than Incap, and it does NOT go off every 2 seconds!

Average Haunting Curse damage on my death recap is around 6.5k (no-cp). Average Incap is around 5k. And yes, the 2 second bit was an exaggeration.

Do you run around naked? I have never taken such high damage on my medium armor build. And even if your numbers were true, you could start complaining about it when curse puts a stun, defile and the 20%damage thingy on you.

I don't believe I have ever implied that I was a symbol of maturity. Quite frankly I'm as immature as they come when it comes to things of such a frivolous nature as videogames. Nope, my post is 100% honest, more than what you are getting from most folks who beg for nerfs because they lost a match or simply refuse to adjust their builds so they claim something is op to cover up their inadequacies. Any other class I probably wouldn't mind the calls for nerfs, but magsorcs have a ton of nerve banging on like they do against NB's.

No sir, let all magsorcs suffer for the cries of a few is now my sentiment going forward, op or not. We can start by nerfing their shields down to 3 seconds and allowing crits to ignore them.

D0PAMINE · June 2018

DanteYoda wrote: »

Poor warden so jack of all trades and not even as good as sorcerer at it..

Off topic, but I was doing Psijic on my warden healer, saw a dolmen was up, and was literally doing the most dps spamming flame touch and elemental blockade, while buffing everyone with combat prayer and whatever other skills i mindlessly spammed.

Karmanorway · June 2018

just use shieldbreaker, thats what i do if BGs full of magsorcs, but only use if they tbag u first

ak_pvp · June 2018

Beardimus wrote: »

JJBoomer wrote: »

I see so many threads complaining about how OP mag sorcs are. But more often than not, those threads seem to just want mag sorcs to have nothing to make them easy kills in PVP, something that shouldn't affect PVE, but that's another issue. From my perspective, all the "nerf mag sorcs" just seem to be people asking for their class to be better, so make something else easier to kill? It rarely actually seems to be for balance's sake.

Can someone explain this to me? This is the only game i've ever played where i've seen people BEG for nerfing lol.

Because noobs, potatoes and scrubs aren't good enough to adapt and kill them.

Generally they lack the skill, and run some OP meta build on the Blade and melt everyone else. So when they hit a Sorc and need to change tactic they don't. And then whine

Frankly Sorc burst has been pathetic for a good while (pre U18) and yet the moaning remained. Sorcs get nerfed and get the moan continues. And really Sorcs are very straightforward to counter you just need to play to their weaknesses

Honestly of ZOS removed Sorcs or made them play naked with the broom as only Weopon the scrubs would still cry. It's actually embarrassing.

(INB4 durr Sorc h8r. You can read my thoughts on sorcs prior in the thread.)

Honestly that is not true. Why would anyone hate sorcs just for being sorcs, hint, they won't. There are actualy reasons rather than sticking your fingers in your ears and calling everyone else wrong through the dissonance.

Don't take every call to balance as a personal attack and then rebut by calling them scrubs. It fixes nothing and just greatens the hatred of sorcs by a few.

EDIT: Again, this isn't calling for inane nerfs, no one wanted them, just like no one wanted the frag nerf, but things like rune cage are OP and that is a problem.

Thunderknuckles · June 2018

JJBoomer wrote: »

I see so many threads complaining about how OP mag sorcs are. But more often than not, those threads seem to just want mag sorcs to have nothing to make them easy kills in PVP, something that shouldn't affect PVE, but that's another issue. From my perspective, all the "nerf mag sorcs" just seem to be people asking for their class to be better, so make something else easier to kill? It rarely actually seems to be for balance's sake.

Can someone explain this to me? This is the only game i've ever played where i've seen people BEG for nerfing lol.

JJ, they gripe and moan about Stamblades, too. As in, endlessly. It boils down to nothing more than butthurt. They were smoked by a MagSorc and that's it, plain and simple.

Chilly-McFreeze · June 2018

Sevn wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Because people like to complain. And when they get a pat on their shoulder for reiterating long past nonsense, they get even more out of it.

Sorcs have 2-3 "issues" at the moment.
The first is that rune cage got overbuffed for no reason at all ( and every serious mag sorc complained about that during PTS).
Second is that deathmatch BG mechanics allow for kill stealing. Which could be solved by having better scoring mechanics instead of *** over the class, like many people would handle the situation.
And the third issue is that sorcs have a comparably high skill floor, they are easy to get into, while are complicated to fight against for some noobs who can't count to 6. Since newish players can't just spam stuff and kill a sorc but must use some tactic they are deemed OP.
So, only one problem is a legit concern, the rest are scoring mechanics and attitude issues.

As for shield stacking: with the ever increasing damage, yet alone the buff to light attacks, it's absolutely no issue to burst through a shield in at max 2 gcd. At least not for a competent player.

WaltherCarraway wrote: »

PvP is the main reason why everyone can't have fun here.

I've rarely seen such utter nonsense. Thanks for the laugh. Where did you get that from, do you made that yourself? Very good sustain, pff.

Sevn wrote: »

I'm petty, after seeing so many sorcs beg for NB nerfs I'm all in on returning the favor, op or not.

That's a truely mature way to act, noble forum user.

Ender1310 wrote: »

There was a time when sorc was god mode whose offense and defense scales with one stat giving insane damage and it's true best mobility.

You mean it's the only class that has survivability (like healing) scale on the same stats like damage? Same goes for most heals. That generic light armor shield scales with the same resources that power up your damage. Some defensive skills don't need any scaling at all (heal for x% of missing..., mist form, cloak, shade).

Sorc's mobility is not as powerful as it should be, if you consider the fact that you can run after a streaking sorc with just major expedition and sprint, not even those swifty traits are needed. And yes, gap closers are a thing with no cost increase and longer range. Where do magsorcs get their snare removal from? Right, from nowhere if they don't want to run a stamina weapon and therefore go with worse healing by not slotting a resto staff. And not to forget that everyone can have 36+ seconds of major expedition thanks to the new skill line.

But yep, they are no longer as powerful as in the past.

Daus wrote: »

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

Their execute gives them an unfair advantage in BGs (they can steal kills from the opposing team with little effort), their damage shields give them better survivability than heavy armor, Rune cage gives magSorcs free kills with no counterplay, Haunting Curse hits hard than incap but it goes off every 2 seconds, and you can't block or dodge it (you can shield it though which is just another reason why damage shields are OP).

Now you've wandered off into the weeds even more than usual...

LOL, Haunting Curse does NOT hit harder than Incap, and it does NOT go off every 2 seconds!

Average Haunting Curse damage on my death recap is around 6.5k (no-cp). Average Incap is around 5k. And yes, the 2 second bit was an exaggeration.

Do you run around naked? I have never taken such high damage on my medium armor build. And even if your numbers were true, you could start complaining about it when curse puts a stun, defile and the 20%damage thingy on you.

I don't believe I have ever implied that I was a symbol of maturity. Quite frankly I'm as immature as they come when it comes to things of such a frivolous nature as videogames. Nope, my post is 100% honest, more than what you are getting from most folks who beg for nerfs because they lost a match or simply refuse to adjust their builds so they claim something is op to cover up their inadequacies. Any other class I probably wouldn't mind the calls for nerfs, but magsorcs have a ton of nerve banging on like they do against NB's.

No sir, let all magsorcs suffer for the cries of a few is now my sentiment going forward, op or not. We can start by nerfing their shields down to 3 seconds and allowing crits to ignore them.

Deal, if they steal your lolly from incap and cloak first

Feanor · June 2018

I blame the death recap. Fury/Wrath is on there so often, even if the Sorc did only do 5% of the damage. If the Sorcs get the KB so often they must be OP.

I invite everyone who thinks Sorc is “ez mode” to try one in noCP OW Cyrodiil and not within a group of 10+. You’ll quickly see that it’s not about just hitting your execute.

HeathenDeacon · June 2018

as someone that really doesnt have a dog in this fight since i play sorc and vs sorc i gotta say right now they are OP when it comes to pvp.
Putting aside a few things that are currently boarding on broken... rune cage... The bottom line is they just have the most complete, organic, and versatile toolkit of any of the classes.
OK, maybe theye not OP, but if not then some of the other classes are seriously Underpowered or handicapped when it comes to max magic pvp builds. I mean MAgden....are you serious? how is this class in any way balanced with a magsorc right now? -puhlease.

Beruge · June 2018

Feanor wrote: »

I blame the death recap. Fury/Wrath is on there so often, even if the Sorc did only do 5% of the damage. If the Sorcs get the KB so often they must be OP.

I invite everyone who thinks Sorc is “ez mode” to try one in noCP OW Cyrodiil and not within a group of 10+. You’ll quickly see that it’s not about just hitting your execute.

Can't we also invite those who think sorc is "ez mode" to play them with one hand on their back, while jumping on one foot, while a goat eats their pillow?

Feanor · June 2018

Beruge wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

I blame the death recap. Fury/Wrath is on there so often, even if the Sorc did only do 5% of the damage. If the Sorcs get the KB so often they must be OP.

I invite everyone who thinks Sorc is “ez mode” to try one in noCP OW Cyrodiil and not within a group of 10+. You’ll quickly see that it’s not about just hitting your execute.

Can't we also invite those who think sorc is "ez mode" to play them with one hand on their back, while jumping on one foot, while a goat eats their pillow?

We could, but my point is that the perceived OPness has nothing to do with the class but rather points to the CP system.

Beruge · June 2018

Feanor wrote: »

Beruge wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

I blame the death recap. Fury/Wrath is on there so often, even if the Sorc did only do 5% of the damage. If the Sorcs get the KB so often they must be OP.

I invite everyone who thinks Sorc is “ez mode” to try one in noCP OW Cyrodiil and not within a group of 10+. You’ll quickly see that it’s not about just hitting your execute.

Can't we also invite those who think sorc is "ez mode" to play them with one hand on their back, while jumping on one foot, while a goat eats their pillow?

We could, but my point is that the perceived OPness has nothing to do with the class but rather points to the CP system.

CP is a major part of the game, inviting someone to play without CP is as stupid as inviting someone to play without passives.

Feanor · June 2018

Beruge wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

Beruge wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

I blame the death recap. Fury/Wrath is on there so often, even if the Sorc did only do 5% of the damage. If the Sorcs get the KB so often they must be OP.

I invite everyone who thinks Sorc is “ez mode” to try one in noCP OW Cyrodiil and not within a group of 10+. You’ll quickly see that it’s not about just hitting your execute.

Can't we also invite those who think sorc is "ez mode" to play them with one hand on their back, while jumping on one foot, while a goat eats their pillow?

We could, but my point is that the perceived OPness has nothing to do with the class but rather points to the CP system.

CP is a major part of the game, inviting someone to play without CP is as stupid as inviting someone to play without passives.

Battlegrounds and noCP campaigns are a vital part of PvP.

hmsdragonfly · June 2018

WaltherCarraway wrote: »

zyk wrote: »

WaltherCarraway wrote: »

kikkehs wrote: »

WaltherCarraway wrote: »

PvP is the main reason why everyone can't have fun here.

lol?

what's your input?

It's completely biased and was obviously created by a DK main with a complex.

It just hard for someone hardly ever played DK to admit DK is the most under-performing class. When was the last time you played DK? Or is that your crafting mule?

Excuse me mister, you misspelled Magicka Warden.