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New player, Overwhelmed on class selection, can't decide and need some help please!

  • DanteYoda
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    I agree op the two bar flipping thing is just a nightmare at least for me.. In pve i generally stick to one bar because two bars just is so clunky and unresponsive for me honestly..

    If i ever uninstall ESO it would be because of this setup and server stability issues.. Gotta say i used to think Guildwars was restrictive but ESO murders the cake on bad mechanics..
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    So honestly you might enjoy nightblade healer it's a dps/ healer hybrid. Also the way you talk makes really think nightblade something us idea choice for you.
  • Exalted_Goose
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    Firstly, congratulations on the recent addition to your family! I hope you're managing to at least get some sleep, (and have time for ESO, of course)! :blush:

    Secondly, I'll try to throw in some advice. For Stamina PvP, I'd almost always recommend Stamina Nightblade - it was the class with which I learned how to AvA, (i.e., Cyrodiil/open-world PvP), and it's quite easy to pick up. The Cloak ability is very strong and can get you out of multiple dangerous situations when used correctly, which takes a bit of practice - there are a number of playstyles you can use, (for example, the classic StamNB nuance is ganking, but I've seen some tankier NBs who 1vX without using Cloak), and it's a highly mobile, high-octane class. When I first tried it out in Cyrodiil, I had no set armour or anything - all that carried me through fights were my skills, and I still had an absolute blast with it. If you like the stealthy, highly-mobile, high-risk-high-reward approach, then I think that Stamina Nightblade would really suit you - it doesn't take too long to establish a foundation of ability onto which you'll quickly build, and there's nothing quite as satisfying as causing utter havoc when an enemy group realises you're out there and starts to panic... ...except for maybe killing that Nightblade... ^^

    I'd also advise trying out StaminaDK, because you can quite easily assemble a build that'll do very nicely, and I also find it to be a very potent, very fun class. When I first tried it out, I rolled a 2H/Bow combo, using Sword-Singer's and Hunding's Rage in the <Level 50 Campaign, and it worked like a charm - it still does; I'm having so much fun with the build, I've purposefully not levelled him so that I can continue to play with this style. It hits like a truck, is sufficiently tanky, and is again highly mobile - it's a superbly fun class to play in both AvA and Battlegrounds, and its ability to withstand punishment is also quite impressive. Plus, I like it that I get to style my Orc StamDK as a genuine Knight, so I find his armour very satisfying to look at.

    Speaking of which, character aesthetic might also be a good thing to consider - StamNB very much uses dark, blood magic, so the abilities are red/black; StamDK can vary, but the sweeping DK colour is orange, with poisons having a green tinge. Furthermore, because of the nature of most StamNB builds, for immersion purposes, you'll want to style characters with Medium Armour, whereas StamDK can work with both. I won't repeat how others have already explained the classes, but I'd consider how you want your characters to look, and what look/feel you're really attracted to in this game. Equally, at the end of the day, if you don't like a class, there's nothing stopping you putting it on the shelf to be tried out again at a later date, and rolling a new character. 8 slots should be plenty for you to find something you really like!

    Hope this helps - good luck, with both your ESO adventures, and your young'un! I hope to see you on the battlefields of Cyrodiil, (when you get time to! o:) )!

    EDIT: Aaaand, I forgot to talk about where to get builds from, *Slaps self for incompetence*! Personally, I really like Alcast and Dottz Gaming; Deltia does some really good stuff, (although I'm not sure if he still plays regularly), and Blob ESO also makes some interesting, effective builds. Alcast and Dottz Gaming are quite accessible, as well - some of their builds to require end-level gear, but most of them are quite easy to make, and are very potent. Equally, the odd YouTube search can lead to something great!
    Edited by Exalted_Goose on June 11, 2018 9:32AM
    "One fine day in the middle of the night. Two dead Kings got up to fight. Back to back they faced each other, drew their bows... and stabbed themselves...".
  • Cyngar
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    Firstly, congratulations on the recent addition to your family! I hope you're managing to at least get some sleep, (and have time for ESO, of course)! :blush:

    Secondly, I'll try to throw in some advice. For Stamina PvP, I'd almost always recommend Stamina Nightblade - it was the class with which I learned how to AvA, (i.e., Cyrodiil/open-world PvP), and it's quite easy to pick up. The Cloak ability is very strong and can get you out of multiple dangerous situations when used correctly, which takes a bit of practice - there are a number of playstyles you can use, (for example, the classic StamNB nuance is ganking, but I've seen some tankier NBs who 1vX without using Cloak), and it's a highly mobile, high-octane class. When I first tried it out in Cyrodiil, I had no set armour or anything - all that carried me through fights were my skills, and I still had an absolute blast with it. If you like the stealthy, highly-mobile, high-risk-high-reward approach, then I think that Stamina Nightblade would really suit you - it doesn't take too long to establish a foundation of ability onto which you'll quickly build, and there's nothing quite as satisfying as causing utter havoc when an enemy group realises you're out there and starts to panic... ...except for maybe killing that Nightblade... ^^

    I'd also advise trying out StaminaDK, because you can quite easily assemble a build that'll do very nicely, and I also find it to be a very potent, very fun class. When I first tried it out, I rolled a 2H/Bow combo, using Sword-Singer's and Hunding's Rage in the <Level 50 Campaign, and it worked like a charm - it still does; I'm having so much fun with the build, I've purposefully not levelled him so that I can continue to play with this style. It hits like a truck, is sufficiently tanky, and is again highly mobile - it's a superbly fun class to play in both AvA and Battlegrounds, and its ability to withstand punishment is also quite impressive. Plus, I like it that I get to style my Orc StamDK as a genuine Knight, so I find his armour very satisfying to look at.

    Speaking of which, character aesthetic might also be a good thing to consider - StamNB very much uses dark, blood magic, so the abilities are red/black; StamDK can vary, but the sweeping DK colour is orange, with poisons having a green tinge. Furthermore, because of the nature of most StamNB builds, for immersion purposes, you'll want to style characters with Medium Armour, whereas StamDK can work with both. I won't repeat how others have already explained the classes, but I'd consider how you want your characters to look, and what look/feel you're really attracted to in this game. Equally, at the end of the day, if you don't like a class, there's nothing stopping you putting it on the shelf to be tried out again at a later date, and rolling a new character. 8 slots should be plenty for you to find something you really like!

    Hope this helps - good luck, with both your ESO adventures, and your young'un! I hope to see you on the battlefields of Cyrodiil, (when you get time to! o:) )!

    EDIT: Aaaand, I forgot to talk about where to get builds from, *Slaps self for incompetence*! Personally, I really like Alcast and Dottz Gaming; Deltia does some really good stuff, (although I'm not sure if he still plays regularly), and Blob ESO also makes some interesting, effective builds. Alcast and Dottz Gaming are quite accessible, as well - some of their builds to require end-level gear, but most of them are quite easy to make, and are very potent. Equally, the odd YouTube search can lead to something great!

    Thanks, I been trying out a few classes and watching video's, got my nb to 25 and its pretty fun, just squishy in pvp.

    As I play more and see other classes in pvp I'm wondering if maybe temp or Dk, might be worth trying. I'm use to more of a tanky pvp class and notice they seem to be the harder ones to kill and last longer. Seems every dk I get killed by using the lash or whip ability alot. Not sure if that mag or stam
  • Enslaved
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    Not glass cannon?
    Good mobility?
    Can be healer and also damage dealer?
    Roll magicka sorcerer.
    Go altmer if you dont mind being AD, breton if DC or Dunmer if EP.
    If more into healing Saxhleel is probably BiS.
  • hmsdragonfly
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    Cyngar wrote: »
    • For class selection, can you give me some ideas? I guess I'll look at magika if I have to, but prefer melee based and not above rolling a healer that can do dmg and be annoying as hell to kill the same time. I was hoping for something that isn't a glass canon and good mobility. Open to try anything.

    All stamina builds can be played melee.
    MagDK, Magplar, MagNB can be played melee if you want to
    Highest mobility: stamsorc and magsorc.
    Good mobility (if built correctly): stamWD, stamNB, magNB.
    Average mobility: stamplar, magWD
    Low mobility (can still be built for mobility but just not as effective): magDK, stamDK, magplar.

    Short description of PvP playstyle of different classes:
    Magsorc: High mobility. Very high burst. Tanky with wards. Good CCs. Easy to pick up and learn (low skill floor) but high skill ceiling.
    Stamsorc: High mobility. High burst. Extremely good resource sustain. If you are mechanically skilled you will be insane with this class. High skill floor and high skill ceiling.
    Magplar: Low mobility. *** loads of healing, like, A LOT OF HEALING and yes I repeat for the 3rd time, a lot of healing. Have cheap clease. Tanky af in PvP out of the box. Not the best class for burst builds but good sustain damage. Extremely easy to play, lowest skill floor, but also low skill ceiling.
    Stamplar:Average mobility. Good healing. Have cheap cleanse. High burst. Average skill floor average skill ceiling.
    MagDK: Low mobility. Good healing. Worst class for burst builds but have A LOT OF DOTS, so low burst high sustain damage. Good resource sustain (using ults gives u resources back). Good CCs. Very tanky if built that way. Easy to learn, not too hard to master, so low skill floor, low-average skill ceiling.
    StamDK: Low mobility. Good healing. Good resource sustain. High burst. Very tanky if built that way. Average skill floor average skill ceiling.
    MagNB: Good mobility. Healing in the form of doing damage to enemies. High burst but only if you are skilled. Have get away mechanics (cloak and shadow image) when things go wrong. Extremely hard to learn, highest skill floor but high skill ceiling (good magNBs are insane).
    StamNB: Good mobility. Very bad self heal. Very high burst. Have get-away mechanics (cloak and shadow image). Very sneaky and can gank people :3 Average skill floor high skill ceiling.
    MagWD: I haven't played it, but i have heard MagWD is jack-of-all-trade, can be either tanky of damage oriented. I have seen a lot of tanky MagWDs, and also MagWDs with high burst.
    StamWD: Good mobility. Good healing. Good resource sustain. Tanky. High burst. Higher than average skill floor, high skill ceiling.
    Cyngar wrote: »
    • Where is the best place to look up builds for summerset? when I google I see certain people pop up alot that are "popular" but the comments on them are either laughing or copy of other builds or the builds assume you are a veteran.
    If you are a newcomer, can't go wrong with alcasthq.com
    After that if you still want more there are PvP builds on youtube.
    Cyngar wrote: »
    • Lastly, I was in cyrodiil last night and at the vender. there was a girl vendor I think sell gear boxes for 5k points. but there were like 20options. where can I go to find out what would be in them?
    The name of the box is the name of your set. To find out what that set is about, either elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com or http://www.esoui.com/downloads/info1480-ItemizationBrowser.html



    Edited by hmsdragonfly on June 11, 2018 3:52PM
    Aldmeri Dominion Loyalist. For the Queen!
  • hmsdragonfly
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    Enslaved wrote: »
    If more into healing Saxhleel is probably BiS.

    Excuse me mister, you misspelled N'wah.
    Edited by hmsdragonfly on June 11, 2018 3:49PM
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  • Narvuntien
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    his leads me to ask advice for suggestions. I have a few questions that i need help with please.
    With my limited playtime, I'm not sure how much time i need to invest into a character before I know I like them or not, whats a good lvl?
    You'll know them long before you hit max level. But if you don't like them you can reset your skill points and attributes if you decide you want to do something else.

    For class selection, can you give me some ideas? I guess I'll look at magika if I have to, but prefer melee based and not above rolling a healer that can do dmg and be annoying as hell to kill the same time. I was hoping for something that isn't a glass canon and good mobility. Open to try anything.

    So unfortunately its a bit tricky to get everything you want.
    Templar of both the Magicka and Stamina varieties seem to be close to what you are looking for, best for healing both on self and others, but their mobility isn't that great though. They are fairly tough as far as classes go, but they can't lock targets down.

    MagDk is melee pyromancer but they lack mobility, they have good self healing can also group heal well, and are annoying as hell to kill.

    Stamina Warden, they are really good in PVP, Extremely tanky and very good healing. They have lots of burst but not a lot of sustained damage.
    Where is the best place to look up builds for summerset? when I google I see certain people pop up alot that are "popular" but the comments on them are either laughing or copy of other builds or the builds assume you are a veteran.
    www.alcasthq.com
    Lastly, I was in cyrodiil last night and at the vendor. there was a girl vendor I think sell gear boxes for 5k points. but there were like 20options. where can I go to find out what would be in them?
    I am not sure...
    I'm in 2 guilds, how do I find where if at all do the has a vendor to sell things?
    There is a guild vendor for the guild you are in at the bank. you can use that to sell things. If you are on PC trading and using guildstores are a lot easier with addons.
  • ezio45
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    Cyngar wrote: »
    I'll try to make this short and hope for some good feedback. I know picking a class is "what looks fun" and roll with it. But this game is pretty different than typical MMO and I really need help, I'm loving the game but getting discouraged quickly.

    I bought the game last week. With having a newborn I don't get to play much. I would like to pvp mostly, typically I enjoy melee characters in MMO (Warriors/Paladin/Rogue and occasionally a magic user but usually end up healing)

    After searching online, I decided to give a Warden a go. Heard a lot of killer things about them in PvP. So here we are 1 week later and im lvl 22 and honestly I don't like the class, solo mob grinding it is fun with the bear but Dung and especially pvp I just hate it. I have tried 2h/bow and 2h/1h//shield and it's just not for me. Can't put my finger on it yet, not sure if its the 2bars I have to swap to or what, but he's not fun at all.


    This leads me to ask advice for suggestions. I have a few questions that i need help with please.
    • With my limited playtime, I'm not sure how much time i need to invest into a character before I know I like them or not, whats a good lvl?
    • For class selection, can you give me some ideas? I guess I'll look at magika if I have to, but prefer melee based and not above rolling a healer that can do dmg and be annoying as hell to kill the same time. I was hoping for something that isn't a glass canon and good mobility. Open to try anything.
    • Where is the best place to look up builds for summerset? when I google I see certain people pop up alot that are "popular" but the comments on them are either laughing or copy of other builds or the builds assume you are a veteran.
    • Lastly, I was in cyrodiil last night and at the vender. there was a girl vendor I think sell gear boxes for 5k points. but there were like 20options. where can I go to find out what would be in them?
    • I'm in 2 guilds, how do I find where if at all do the has a vendor to sell things?


    Thanks

    Depends on what you want to do

    But generally magplar and mag sorc are good classes to learn on, if you are going to lvl quickly id say mag sorc because they offer decent damage but arnt fun to lvl because there main defense (shields) you dont unlock until later which can make solo'ing things while your new hard. If your not going to power lvl magplar because they get access to a good self heal early on
  • Fleshreaper
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    My suggestion is this. Level each class to level 15/20, at level 7/10 switch up your skills. If you started as melee, switch to magicka. This will give you a good idea of how each class is going to play. I would suggest not going tank/heals on your first character to level 50. You will lose too much dps and it will not be fun. Stick to PvE until you get a class and style you enjoy, then you can work on gearing and rotation for your intended use PvE/PvP.
  • Enslaved
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    Enslaved wrote: »
    If more into healing Saxhleel is probably BiS.

    Excuse me mister, you mispelled N'wah.

    Go jump of any bridge in Cyrodiil.
  • Heimpai
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    From my understanding sorcs are pretty easy for new players idk mines only 20 but i started on stamblade as that’s what i always choose

    Nightblades have harder rotations and if you don’t have a lot of time idk how it’d work out for you

    I got a templar to 10 and enjoy it, waiting for xp event before i level alts
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    I don't know what it's like on XBOX, but on PC NA the sub-50 Cyrodiil campaign has a loyal following of players that will start new characters over when they reach level 50 so they can keep playing there.

    So if you want to try new classes (remember you can have 8 characters out of the box), you can start one of each class and take them to Cyrodiil at level 10 and see if you can group with some of the vets there to teach you the ropes.
    The Moot Councillor
  • VikingBerserker
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    Cyngar wrote: »
    I'll try to make this short and hope for some good feedback. I know picking a class is "what looks fun" and roll with it. But this game is pretty different than typical MMO and I really need help, I'm loving the game but getting discouraged quickly.

    I bought the game last week. With having a newborn I don't get to play much. I would like to pvp mostly, typically I enjoy melee characters in MMO (Warriors/Paladin/Rogue and occasionally a magic user but usually end up healing)

    After searching online, I decided to give a Warden a go. Heard a lot of killer things about them in PvP. So here we are 1 week later and im lvl 22 and honestly I don't like the class, solo mob grinding it is fun with the bear but Dung and especially pvp I just hate it. I have tried 2h/bow and 2h/1h//shield and it's just not for me. Can't put my finger on it yet, not sure if its the 2bars I have to swap to or what, but he's not fun at all.


    This leads me to ask advice for suggestions. I have a few questions that i need help with please.
    • With my limited playtime, I'm not sure how much time i need to invest into a character before I know I like them or not, whats a good lvl?
    • For class selection, can you give me some ideas? I guess I'll look at magika if I have to, but prefer melee based and not above rolling a healer that can do dmg and be annoying as hell to kill the same time. I was hoping for something that isn't a glass canon and good mobility. Open to try anything.
    • Where is the best place to look up builds for summerset? when I google I see certain people pop up alot that are "popular" but the comments on them are either laughing or copy of other builds or the builds assume you are a veteran.
    • Lastly, I was in cyrodiil last night and at the vender. there was a girl vendor I think sell gear boxes for 5k points. but there were like 20options. where can I go to find out what would be in them?
    • I'm in 2 guilds, how do I find where if at all do the has a vendor to sell things?


    Thanks

    You're going to suffer in pvp on any class without the right gear setup.
  • VikingBerserker
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    Cyngar wrote: »
    ArchMikem wrote: »
    Melee PvP = Stamina Nightblade.

    Amen

    It def interests me alot when I check them out. I struggle that the popular build is 2h and not a dw, but that's me thinking NB is a rogue.


    Any suggestions if summerset build/vids to watch?

    Just do what works for you, I recently switched from 2h to dw with much success. Pre cp 7 impen traits on armor are a must, and having penetration on wpns helps as well. I've tried numerous builds only to discover the best build is what works for you. These complicated combos with bar swaps are useless if you can't get them done.
  • evoniee
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    its impossible to play PvP on early stage on the game.
    if i member i started pvp at lvl 40-50, learn a lot and improve my reaction time and game knowledge as other class skill, and what others do. Stop pvp as i get champion points, leveling up to cp 160, buy average gear which is night mother embrace and spriggan.

    Now i play above average on BG, i perform better than cp 500-700 player.

    For class preferred, it depend on playstyle. IE i want to be assassins on RPG game, so i play stam NB as one only character i play until now, and i love it.

    Bulky warrior = stamDK, stamTemplar. Charger warrior = stamSorc, stamWarden. Archer = stamNB, stamWarden. Anyhow, you can play any role with any class.

    I sugest to level up any character to cp 160, geared up and try PvP non Champ, Cyrodiil or Battlegrounds learn theirs gameplay.
    Personally i interested to play Templar or warden as PvP support, Its really enjoyable to play with them as i know how to carrying them.
  • Oreyn_Bearclaw
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    evoniee wrote: »
    its impossible to play PvP on early stage on the game.
    if i member i started pvp at lvl 40-50, learn a lot and improve my reaction time and game knowledge as other class skill, and what others do. Stop pvp as i get champion points, leveling up to cp 160, buy average gear which is night mother embrace and spriggan.

    Now i play above average on BG, i perform better than cp 500-700 player.

    For class preferred, it depend on playstyle. IE i want to be assassins on RPG game, so i play stam NB as one only character i play until now, and i love it.

    Bulky warrior = stamDK, stamTemplar. Charger warrior = stamSorc, stamWarden. Archer = stamNB, stamWarden. Anyhow, you can play any role with any class.

    I sugest to level up any character to cp 160, geared up and try PvP non Champ, Cyrodiil or Battlegrounds learn theirs gameplay.
    Personally i interested to play Templar or warden as PvP support, Its really enjoyable to play with them as i know how to carrying them.

    Impossible is perhaps a strong word, but the point is valid. I am sure many players simply dive into Cyro at level 10, and never look back. It is not the way I would suggest learning, as it real is trial by fire.

    The advice of getting a player up to the gear cap first and then jumping into a non CP campaign (you will be on a level playing field at that point) is pretty solid advice. In my experience, a lot of the players in the under 50 campaign are people on their second, third, or fifteenth character. These people often have a good plan to get the necessary skills leveled, and are able to essentially get BIS gear for a lower level character. It doesnt always make for a fair fight.

    And again, until you have all the class skills unlocked (usually around level 45 or so), you just arent going to have a good feel for the class. I think magic sorc is the easiest class to learn this game, and is always my recommendation to a new player, but admittedly, it doesnt fit the playstyle you are after. Stamina Sorc is certainly the easiest stamina class to play (at least in PVE), if that interests you at all. The reality is, you first character's main focus should be crafting. Once you get your first toon up to max and have crafting research, recipes, etc, it becomes much easier to quickly level a second toon, at which point, you will likely have a far better idea of what you want to play. .

    Edited by Oreyn_Bearclaw on June 11, 2018 4:42PM
  • VikingBerserker
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    evoniee wrote: »
    its impossible to play PvP on early stage on the game.
    if i member i started pvp at lvl 40-50, learn a lot and improve my reaction time and game knowledge as other class skill, and what others do. Stop pvp as i get champion points, leveling up to cp 160, buy average gear which is night mother embrace and spriggan.

    Now i play above average on BG, i perform better than cp 500-700 player.

    For class preferred, it depend on playstyle. IE i want to be assassins on RPG game, so i play stam NB as one only character i play until now, and i love it.

    Bulky warrior = stamDK, stamTemplar. Charger warrior = stamSorc, stamWarden. Archer = stamNB, stamWarden. Anyhow, you can play any role with any class.

    I sugest to level up any character to cp 160, geared up and try PvP non Champ, Cyrodiil or Battlegrounds learn theirs gameplay.
    Personally i interested to play Templar or warden as PvP support, Its really enjoyable to play with them as i know how to carrying them.

    That's simply not true. I pvp daily in kyne, and pre 50 bgs. In fact i prefer pre 50 pvp because it's much smaller investment. I went 22/0/16 on my fresh lv 24 magblade just last night. If you have a guild with a 6 trait crafter anyone can do what I do.
  • Cryptical
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    Cyngar wrote: »
    I'll try to make this short and hope for some good feedback. I know picking a class is "what looks fun" and roll with it. But this game is pretty different than typical MMO and I really need help, I'm loving the game but getting discouraged quickly.

    I bought the game last week. With having a newborn I don't get to play much. I would like to pvp mostly, typically I enjoy melee characters in MMO (Warriors/Paladin/Rogue and occasionally a magic user but usually end up healing)

    After searching online, I decided to give a Warden a go. Heard a lot of killer things about them in PvP. So here we are 1 week later and im lvl 22 and honestly I don't like the class, solo mob grinding it is fun with the bear but Dung and especially pvp I just hate it. I have tried 2h/bow and 2h/1h//shield and it's just not for me. Can't put my finger on it yet, not sure if its the 2bars I have to swap to or what, but he's not fun at all.


    This leads me to ask advice for suggestions. I have a few questions that i need help with please.
    • With my limited playtime, I'm not sure how much time i need to invest into a character before I know I like them or not, whats a good lvl?
    • For class selection, can you give me some ideas? I guess I'll look at magika if I have to, but prefer melee based and not above rolling a healer that can do dmg and be annoying as hell to kill the same time. I was hoping for something that isn't a glass canon and good mobility. Open to try anything.
    • Where is the best place to look up builds for summerset? when I google I see certain people pop up alot that are "popular" but the comments on them are either laughing or copy of other builds or the builds assume you are a veteran.
    • Lastly, I was in cyrodiil last night and at the vender. there was a girl vendor I think sell gear boxes for 5k points. but there were like 20options. where can I go to find out what would be in them?
    • I'm in 2 guilds, how do I find where if at all do the has a vendor to sell things?


    Thanks

    You are brand spankin new, so hear this:
    Everything you do with your character after creation can be reversed and modified. EVERYTHING.

    So, the most important long term thing you have to start with is race and class.

    I am going to suggest to you that you make a sorcerer redguard. Redguard have good stamina affinity that works well with the weapon skill lines, and as a spec you’ll have some shields and mobility.

    It’s not min max. It’s a bit in between that doesn’t leave gaping vulnerabilities. And then, don’t grind - just play the game.

    Treat the game like a 5 course meal. You don’t rush through the soup and salad and main courses just to get to the pastry dessert - you take your time and enjoy each dish. So do the same thing with eso - do the quest lines. There are at least 5 storylines happening in every single zone. The zone plot, the alliance plot, the main plot, the fighter guild plot, the mage guild plot. Then there are the small stories happening in just a town - one of my favorites was the doctor that was slowly feeding the whole town to his vampire son one person at a time.

    You’ve got lots of time before having to worry about a build. And if you play the game then by that time you’ll already know what sort of things work for you and what doesn’t.
    Xbox NA
  • Cyngar
    Cyngar
    AlnilamE wrote: »
    I don't know what it's like on XBOX, but on PC NA the sub-50 Cyrodiil campaign has a loyal following of players that will start new characters over when they reach level 50 so they can keep playing there.

    So if you want to try new classes (remember you can have 8 characters out of the box), you can start one of each class and take them to Cyrodiil at level 10 and see if you can group with some of the vets there to teach you the ropes.

    @AlnilamE not sure on XB either. chat is pretty dead and I went in Cyrodiil and couldnt find anything in the zone or where to go. I might be swapping too PC this week if my VC comes in and I got a buddy that wants to try the game as well. From all the offers I get on the forums its from PC players.
  • Cyngar
    Cyngar
    Cryptical wrote: »
    Cyngar wrote: »
    I'll try to make this short and hope for some good feedback. I know picking a class is "what looks fun" and roll with it. But this game is pretty different than typical MMO and I really need help, I'm loving the game but getting discouraged quickly.

    I bought the game last week. With having a newborn I don't get to play much. I would like to pvp mostly, typically I enjoy melee characters in MMO (Warriors/Paladin/Rogue and occasionally a magic user but usually end up healing)

    After searching online, I decided to give a Warden a go. Heard a lot of killer things about them in PvP. So here we are 1 week later and im lvl 22 and honestly I don't like the class, solo mob grinding it is fun with the bear but Dung and especially pvp I just hate it. I have tried 2h/bow and 2h/1h//shield and it's just not for me. Can't put my finger on it yet, not sure if its the 2bars I have to swap to or what, but he's not fun at all.


    This leads me to ask advice for suggestions. I have a few questions that i need help with please.
    • With my limited playtime, I'm not sure how much time i need to invest into a character before I know I like them or not, whats a good lvl?
    • For class selection, can you give me some ideas? I guess I'll look at magika if I have to, but prefer melee based and not above rolling a healer that can do dmg and be annoying as hell to kill the same time. I was hoping for something that isn't a glass canon and good mobility. Open to try anything.
    • Where is the best place to look up builds for summerset? when I google I see certain people pop up alot that are "popular" but the comments on them are either laughing or copy of other builds or the builds assume you are a veteran.
    • Lastly, I was in cyrodiil last night and at the vender. there was a girl vendor I think sell gear boxes for 5k points. but there were like 20options. where can I go to find out what would be in them?
    • I'm in 2 guilds, how do I find where if at all do the has a vendor to sell things?


    Thanks

    You are brand spankin new, so hear this:
    Everything you do with your character after creation can be reversed and modified. EVERYTHING.

    So, the most important long term thing you have to start with is race and class.

    I am going to suggest to you that you make a sorcerer redguard. Redguard have good stamina affinity that works well with the weapon skill lines, and as a spec you’ll have some shields and mobility.

    It’s not min max. It’s a bit in between that doesn’t leave gaping vulnerabilities. And then, don’t grind - just play the game.

    Treat the game like a 5 course meal. You don’t rush through the soup and salad and main courses just to get to the pastry dessert - you take your time and enjoy each dish. So do the same thing with eso - do the quest lines. There are at least 5 storylines happening in every single zone. The zone plot, the alliance plot, the main plot, the fighter guild plot, the mage guild plot. Then there are the small stories happening in just a town - one of my favorites was the doctor that was slowly feeding the whole town to his vampire son one person at a time.

    You’ve got lots of time before having to worry about a build. And if you play the game then by that time you’ll already know what sort of things work for you and what doesn’t.

    @Cryptical Im trying a MagDK now and if I dont like the Sorc is my next one. ty
  • Marginis
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    This is a daunting question, and everyone will have some useful advice, but let me offer my advice and feedback on some of this.
    Cyngar wrote: »
    I'll try to make this short and hope for some good feedback. I know picking a class is "what looks fun" and roll with it. But this game is pretty different than typical MMO and I really need help, I'm loving the game but getting discouraged quickly.

    I bought the game last week. With having a newborn I don't get to play much.

    With a game like ESO, and not being able to play much, you can end up having a hard time in PVP, where keeping up with the meta and knowing the mechanics in depth is somewhat a necessary evil, somewhat like with end game PVE content like trials. I'd suggest sticking with some regular questing, dungeons, and general PVE content (or maybe trying your best to make sure you always roll with a large group in PVP) until you know the game better (it takes a lot of time and investment, I think most would agree) or have more time to play. A lot of games these days require hardcore dedication to keep up with some of the content, and that's just not a thing everyone can do all the time, so sometimes it's best just to accept that and go with what you can. Otherwise, I'd recommend trying to play more support than anything. Being a healer or archer will significantly cut down on the need to go hardcore in PVP, for example, despite how much that may not be your preferred role.
    I would like to pvp mostly, typically I enjoy melee characters in MMO (Warriors/Paladin/Rogue and occasionally a magic user but usually end up healing)

    Paladin? Templars work well for that. Rogue? Nightblade all the way. Melee characters in PVP tend to do well with a good amount of burst damage, which Nightblades are very good for (although they tend to be fairly weak defensively), or as a tank, which Dragonknights do well as, or you could adapt a Templar to be pretty good for. I mean, you could really do whatever class you want, but those tend to fit the meta and work well. Templar healer is also an excellent choice to run.
    After searching online, I decided to give a Warden a go. Heard a lot of killer things about them in PvP. So here we are 1 week later and im lvl 22 and honestly I don't like the class, solo mob grinding it is fun with the bear but Dung and especially pvp I just hate it. I have tried 2h/bow and 2h/1h//shield and it's just not for me. Can't put my finger on it yet, not sure if its the 2bars I have to swap to or what, but he's not fun at all.

    Wardens in my view can work well with several different roles, but won't excel at any like other classes can. They can be good however. I think what might be more the problem if you're not having fun with it, might be more that the theme of the class or way the skills work with each other might not work for you. If you don't like swapping bars as much, for example, you might go with a class or role that doesn't use bar swapping as much. Depending, it can be suboptimal, but if you're limited in playtime, you're going to have a rough go of getting number 1 on the leaderboards anyway. You could for example make a healer with a DPS backbar, so you only switch when you want to switch roles - and this can work just fine for dungeons, where being super healer isn't as necessary as it is in something like trials.

    This might also be more a problem with how combat in higher end combat tends to go. If you don't like the idea of attack weaving, bar swapping, combat rotations, and such (many don't), then don't play that way. In lower end content, weaving is completely unnecessary, and some roles, like many tanks, can rely more on situational abilities rather than rotations like other classes.
    This leads me to ask advice for suggestions. I have a few questions that i need help with please.

    With my limited playtime, I'm not sure how much time i need to invest into a character before I know I like them or not, whats a good lvl?

    Usually I find that around level 20 I'll have a fairly solid understanding of the class' strengths and weaknesses, or at least thematically what their role is. Really though, if you're low on time and want to explore, go through the tutorial and a couple quests with each class and you'll get a feel for them. Nightblades are soul siphoning assassins, Templars are knight-like healers, Dragonknights are aggressive fighters, Wardens are druidic rangers, and Sorcerers are elemental wizards. Find the one that presents the theme you like, go with it for a bit, and if you don't like it, try a different one. Remember, even if you only use one character, you can have multiple - so make one of each class and play the one you're feeling at the moment. You never know - you may want to try something new in the future.
    For class selection, can you give me some ideas? I guess I'll look at magika if I have to, but prefer melee based and not above rolling a healer that can do dmg and be annoying as hell to kill the same time. I was hoping for something that isn't a glass canon and good mobility. Open to try anything.

    Sorcerers have great mobility, and work really well with shields. Additionally, they don't have to be a tank to be quite tanky, especially in PVP. Nightblades have great utility for movement with different teleport style abilities, even as tanks, but rely on quite unique abilities to tank effectively compared to the basic stuff you'll find most places on the forums. Again though, try out different stuff in-game. There's no replacement for firsthand experience - enjoy the game at your own pace, y'know? There's no requirement to be at the bleeding edge to play and enjoy ESO.
    Where is the best place to look up builds for summerset? when I google I see certain people pop up alot that are "popular" but the comments on them are either laughing or copy of other builds or the builds assume you are a veteran.

    If you're looking for solid builds, and stuff up-to-date for Summerset, I recommend Alcast. Those builds will give you a solid start point. As far as looking for builds that don't assume your knowledge however... that's almost completely unavoidable. The game mechanics as they are just require that kind of knowledge, as they aren't very transparent. There ARE guides out there to learning combat basics, and all the different mechanics, but those are guides specifically for that. Here's what you can do though without having to look up any of those guides though: When making your build, you have abilities, attributes, mundus stones, champion points (at higher levels), armor, and food/drinks. You want to combine those to first get the stats that you want, just passively or via buffs from abilities. Next, look for utility that you want - like going invisible or getting immunity to knockdown effects. That's all making a build really is.

    Like I said, it's perfectly okay to use someone else's build as a jumping off point. When I was making a healer, I went to Alcast's website, found the Summerset healer build for a Nightblade, and looked at what buffs and stats it was achieving. As long as I get similar or better stats, I figure I'm in a good place. Then I found what abilities I could and wanted to replace in that build - if I get +2% healing done from a set there, and get +2% healing done from another set I prefer, I'm solid. Lastly, as I go around playing and actually using the build, I find parts of the build I'm not utilizing or aren't relevant to the content I run, so I replace them with something that is.

    I know this is really basic, but it doesn't have to be any more complicated than that. There are useful things to know, don't get me wrong (like how having the same buff twice doesn't stack, it only refreshes it, for example), but again, you can only invest as much time into the game as you have to invest. With a newborn, that takes priority (and will probably be more rewarding in the long run). ESO is, in the end, just a game lol. Don't make it a second (or third, since a baby is basically another full and a half time job) job.
    Lastly, I was in cyrodiil last night and at the vender. there was a girl vendor I think sell gear boxes for 5k points. but there were like 20options. where can I go to find out what would be in them?

    Google. ESO wiki is a great resource for most things too.
    I'm in 2 guilds, how do I find where if at all do the has a vendor to sell things?

    Thanks

    Guild traders are posted about the world, and you can locate their markers on the map to see where. For guilds that you are in, however, simply find a banker (except Tythis Andromo) and you can access the guild store from there.

    Hope this helps!

    [EDIT: I'll also add that I'm on Xbox One NA if you want some in-person advice some time (gamertag: Marginis ii). I'm no expert, but I'd like to think I have a pretty decent handle on how stuff in ESO works after playing for... wow, it's been years now hasn't it... and I know just how it feels to have limited time in Tamriel (I like playing other games too, AND I'm trying to get a master's degree now). Hit me up sometime if you'd like.]
    Edited by Marginis on June 11, 2018 7:18PM
    @Marginis on PC, Senpai Fluffy on Xbox, Founder of Magicka. Also known as Kha'jiri, The Night Mother, Ma'iq, Jane Shepard, Damia, Kintyra, Zoor Do Kest, You, and a few others.
  • Cyngar
    Cyngar
    If you are looking for a melee PVP build, warden would be near the top of my recommendations. The only stamina class I am really not a fan of in PVP is stam DK. They make great PVE damage dealers, but I feel like in PVP everything they do, someone else can do a bit better.

    If your goal is to take a pounding, warden is very good. They get their kills by lining up burst combos, with sub assault at the center of it. If you are looking for a true brawler class, they are hard to beat.

    I find stamina templars to be my toughest counter, personally. They have good pressure, can debuff you very well, and can purge negative effects, which really comes in handy 1v1. Stamplars are amazing in duels.

    I think if you asked the internet who the most OP stam class is, the answer you would get would be stamina nightblade. They are elusive, and have great burst, but like any class, they have their counters. They dont have the healing of some of the other classes, so if you can catch one, you can usually kill one. I think nightblade (magic and stam) is the most well rounded class in the game.

    For melee, you could also consider Magic DK or Magic Templar.

    Magic DK is about pressure, CCs, and they can take a beating. They usually get kills by wearing down their opponents, and bursting with ultimates. Magplars arent as powerful as they once were, but if you have any thought to healing, its a solid choice.

    Perhaps the bigger issue is your level. A level 22 character (of any class) is only going to have access to a handful of skills, and often the good ones dont come until later. Your character will feel very different once it is properly leveled. Regardless of what you choose, I would go all in on something until you get a few hundred CP under your belt before you roll a bunch of alts.

    For the love of god, do not start spending AP on gear boxes at your level. You shouldnt spend anything on gear until you are at level 50, AND have 160 champion points. That is the gear cap. Once you are there, then you can comfortably invest in gear you know will last (at least until the next patch).

    Edit: if you are on PC/NA, I would be happy to craft you some basic gear to help you get started. Just shoot me a message in game.

    @Oreyn_Bearclaw I decided to pick the game up on PC and play with a buddy that is going to buy it as well. It's DL now. I'd be happy to add you. do I add "Oreyn_Bearclaw" or what?
  • Cyngar
    Cyngar
    If you want to be tanky with plenty of heals and deal damage magicka Dragonknight is a great class. Roll a dumner and go Vampire. If you’re on PC NA hit me up, I’ll give you a bite.

    If you really want to just PvP grind out to level 50 at least, in order to really get a feel for your character.

    Guides and builds online can help you get a feel for your class, skills, rotations etc but in time you’ll find that most of those builds are trash. Good luck.

    @JumpmanLane Does Magicka DK use a staff or 2h? Also I'm downloading right now on PC :) do I just add "JumpmanLane" to FL?
  • Oreyn_Bearclaw
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    Cyngar wrote: »
    If you are looking for a melee PVP build, warden would be near the top of my recommendations. The only stamina class I am really not a fan of in PVP is stam DK. They make great PVE damage dealers, but I feel like in PVP everything they do, someone else can do a bit better.

    If your goal is to take a pounding, warden is very good. They get their kills by lining up burst combos, with sub assault at the center of it. If you are looking for a true brawler class, they are hard to beat.

    I find stamina templars to be my toughest counter, personally. They have good pressure, can debuff you very well, and can purge negative effects, which really comes in handy 1v1. Stamplars are amazing in duels.

    I think if you asked the internet who the most OP stam class is, the answer you would get would be stamina nightblade. They are elusive, and have great burst, but like any class, they have their counters. They dont have the healing of some of the other classes, so if you can catch one, you can usually kill one. I think nightblade (magic and stam) is the most well rounded class in the game.

    For melee, you could also consider Magic DK or Magic Templar.

    Magic DK is about pressure, CCs, and they can take a beating. They usually get kills by wearing down their opponents, and bursting with ultimates. Magplars arent as powerful as they once were, but if you have any thought to healing, its a solid choice.

    Perhaps the bigger issue is your level. A level 22 character (of any class) is only going to have access to a handful of skills, and often the good ones dont come until later. Your character will feel very different once it is properly leveled. Regardless of what you choose, I would go all in on something until you get a few hundred CP under your belt before you roll a bunch of alts.

    For the love of god, do not start spending AP on gear boxes at your level. You shouldnt spend anything on gear until you are at level 50, AND have 160 champion points. That is the gear cap. Once you are there, then you can comfortably invest in gear you know will last (at least until the next patch).

    Edit: if you are on PC/NA, I would be happy to craft you some basic gear to help you get started. Just shoot me a message in game.

    @Oreyn_Bearclaw I decided to pick the game up on PC and play with a buddy that is going to buy it as well. It's DL now. I'd be happy to add you. do I add "Oreyn_Bearclaw" or what?

    You got it! Send me a friend request, and Ill be happy to make you a set of gear to get started. You are also welcome at my house any time. Got all the mundus stones, crafting stations and 8 target dummies. There is usually a small party there working on stuff.
    Cyngar wrote: »
    If you want to be tanky with plenty of heals and deal damage magicka Dragonknight is a great class. Roll a dumner and go Vampire. If you’re on PC NA hit me up, I’ll give you a bite.

    If you really want to just PvP grind out to level 50 at least, in order to really get a feel for your character.

    Guides and builds online can help you get a feel for your class, skills, rotations etc but in time you’ll find that most of those builds are trash. Good luck.

    @JumpmanLane Does Magicka DK use a staff or 2h? Also I'm downloading right now on PC :) do I just add "JumpmanLane" to FL?

    Pretty much all magic characters use staffs in PVE on both bars. In PVP, its pretty common to front bar a destro staff and back bar either a resto staff or sword and shield. 2H is really only used by stamina characters and only in PVP. It does have some uses in PVE if trying to solo stuff, but for pure damage, its all DW/Bow.
    Edited by Oreyn_Bearclaw on June 11, 2018 9:44PM
  • Cyngar
    Cyngar
    Cyngar wrote: »
    If you are looking for a melee PVP build, warden would be near the top of my recommendations. The only stamina class I am really not a fan of in PVP is stam DK. They make great PVE damage dealers, but I feel like in PVP everything they do, someone else can do a bit better.

    If your goal is to take a pounding, warden is very good. They get their kills by lining up burst combos, with sub assault at the center of it. If you are looking for a true brawler class, they are hard to beat.

    I find stamina templars to be my toughest counter, personally. They have good pressure, can debuff you very well, and can purge negative effects, which really comes in handy 1v1. Stamplars are amazing in duels.

    I think if you asked the internet who the most OP stam class is, the answer you would get would be stamina nightblade. They are elusive, and have great burst, but like any class, they have their counters. They dont have the healing of some of the other classes, so if you can catch one, you can usually kill one. I think nightblade (magic and stam) is the most well rounded class in the game.

    For melee, you could also consider Magic DK or Magic Templar.

    Magic DK is about pressure, CCs, and they can take a beating. They usually get kills by wearing down their opponents, and bursting with ultimates. Magplars arent as powerful as they once were, but if you have any thought to healing, its a solid choice.

    Perhaps the bigger issue is your level. A level 22 character (of any class) is only going to have access to a handful of skills, and often the good ones dont come until later. Your character will feel very different once it is properly leveled. Regardless of what you choose, I would go all in on something until you get a few hundred CP under your belt before you roll a bunch of alts.

    For the love of god, do not start spending AP on gear boxes at your level. You shouldnt spend anything on gear until you are at level 50, AND have 160 champion points. That is the gear cap. Once you are there, then you can comfortably invest in gear you know will last (at least until the next patch).

    Edit: if you are on PC/NA, I would be happy to craft you some basic gear to help you get started. Just shoot me a message in game.

    @Oreyn_Bearclaw I decided to pick the game up on PC and play with a buddy that is going to buy it as well. It's DL now. I'd be happy to add you. do I add "Oreyn_Bearclaw" or what?

    You got it! Send me a friend request, and Ill be happy to make you a set of gear to get started. You are also welcome at my house any time. Got all the mundus stones, crafting stations and 8 target dummies. There is usually a small party there working on stuff.
    Cyngar wrote: »
    If you want to be tanky with plenty of heals and deal damage magicka Dragonknight is a great class. Roll a dumner and go Vampire. If you’re on PC NA hit me up, I’ll give you a bite.

    If you really want to just PvP grind out to level 50 at least, in order to really get a feel for your character.

    Guides and builds online can help you get a feel for your class, skills, rotations etc but in time you’ll find that most of those builds are trash. Good luck.

    @JumpmanLane Does Magicka DK use a staff or 2h? Also I'm downloading right now on PC :) do I just add "JumpmanLane" to FL?

    Pretty much all magic characters use staffs in PVE on both bars. In PVP, its pretty common to front bar a destro staff and back bar either a resto staff or sword and shield. 2H is really only used by stamina characters and only in PVP. It does have some uses in PVE if trying to solo stuff, but for pure damage, its all DW/Bow.

    @Oreyn_Bearclaw Hey thats cool! Mundus Stone at your house? As In I don;t have to go find them to get the buff?

    Yes, I plan only pretty much only doing PVP and maybe the PVE daily. it's Sad cause I'm still not set on a class to be honest. I know my buddy is going to do a templar healer for PvP, So i'm trying to see what would be good to roll with him.

    This game DL so slow at 6meg :( going to be a while but i'll hit ya up.
  • Casterial
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    Go with what you want and learn from your mistakes. Honestly this is the best way of doing it, I was a Redguard Magicka DK at the start of the game haha... but this was back when it was really possible! I didn't know I had nerfed myself doing so, but hell I still have it and play it!
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  • notimetocare
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    Cyngar wrote: »
    I'll try to make this short and hope for some good feedback. I know picking a class is "what looks fun" and roll with it. But this game is pretty different than typical MMO and I really need help, I'm loving the game but getting discouraged quickly.

    I bought the game last week. With having a newborn I don't get to play much. I would like to pvp mostly, typically I enjoy melee characters in MMO (Warriors/Paladin/Rogue and occasionally a magic user but usually end up healing)

    After searching online, I decided to give a Warden a go. Heard a lot of killer things about them in PvP. So here we are 1 week later and im lvl 22 and honestly I don't like the class, solo mob grinding it is fun with the bear but Dung and especially pvp I just hate it. I have tried 2h/bow and 2h/1h//shield and it's just not for me. Can't put my finger on it yet, not sure if its the 2bars I have to swap to or what, but he's not fun at all.


    This leads me to ask advice for suggestions. I have a few questions that i need help with please.
    • With my limited playtime, I'm not sure how much time i need to invest into a character before I know I like them or not, whats a good lvl?
    • For class selection, can you give me some ideas? I guess I'll look at magika if I have to, but prefer melee based and not above rolling a healer that can do dmg and be annoying as hell to kill the same time. I was hoping for something that isn't a glass canon and good mobility. Open to try anything.
    • Where is the best place to look up builds for summerset? when I google I see certain people pop up alot that are "popular" but the comments on them are either laughing or copy of other builds or the builds assume you are a veteran.
    • Lastly, I was in cyrodiil last night and at the vender. there was a girl vendor I think sell gear boxes for 5k points. but there were like 20options. where can I go to find out what would be in them?
    • I'm in 2 guilds, how do I find where if at all do the has a vendor to sell things?


    Thanks

    Look to Alcast builds to get an idea of what each class excels at.

    Keep in mind, early game kinda sucks. Ive got 14 (? Whatever max slots with crown store slots is) Characters at max. Until 50 you are missing alot most of the time
  • Cyngar
    Cyngar
    Casterial wrote: »
    Go with what you want and learn from your mistakes. Honestly this is the best way of doing it, I was a Redguard Magicka DK at the start of the game haha... but this was back when it was really possible! I didn't know I had nerfed myself doing so, but hell I still have it and play it!

    Yea I get that @Casterial with my little time frame to play I would prefer not to do that too much :) I'm already starting fresh on PC now, So trying to find something good now would be prefer and hope its not the worst class out there for PvP :smiley:
  • Cyngar
    Cyngar
    @notimetocare

    I've quickly realize early game defiantly is lacking abilities. But still see the appeal or lack there of when i have played a few classes. There are some I still "want" to try out.

    ALcast I have looked out. however being so New an his builds pushed towards the end "cap" style is hard for me to understand.
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