Shield Stacking. Ranged Burst Damage. Has skills to stun and immobilize. Spams Streak when they want to run away from an actual threat.

I hate Sorcs more than Nightblades. Not by much, but still more.

I think it's because sorcs have a lot of utility as a class (even more so before the nerfs--ultimate points going to 1000, frags stunning, etc.), with pets, a third bar, and so on, which makes for unique and powerful builds, not to mention their shields. I find all the cries for nerfs, even now when sorcs are not at their best by a long shot, kind of endearing; things may change in ESO but outrage for sorcs is a comforting constant

Poor warden so jack of all trades and not even as good as sorcerer at it..

Shields that can't be critted against, can be stacked, and the likelihood of Healing Ward being slotted, (which heals a substantial amount after it elapses); a variety of great CC abilities that ZO$' servers amplify, like, tenfold, (Defensive Rune springs to mind - I always have like a 2-second delay before I can break free, and I've heard others report the same); INSANE - albeit predictable - burst damage; insane mobility, allowing MagSorcs to reach locations that other classes simply cannot, and making escaping so much easier; excellent sustain; a great class execute; very useful class Ultimates... the list goes on...

Also, I think that hate for MagSorcs has been rejuvenated since Summerset; at least on the EU-CP Campaign, the number of all-Sorc deathsquads steamrolling everything in their paths has certainly nurtured some loathing...

Because people like to complain. And when they get a pat on their shoulder for reiterating long past nonsense, they get even more out of it.

Sorcs have 2-3 "issues" at the moment.
The first is that rune cage got overbuffed for no reason at all ( and every serious mag sorc complained about that during PTS).
Second is that deathmatch BG mechanics allow for kill stealing. Which could be solved by having better scoring mechanics instead of *** over the class, like many people would handle the situation.
And the third issue is that sorcs have a comparably high skill floor, they are easy to get into, while are complicated to fight against for some noobs who can't count to 6. Since newish players can't just spam stuff and kill a sorc but must use some tactic they are deemed OP.
So, only one problem is a legit concern, the rest are scoring mechanics and attitude issues.

As for shield stacking: with the ever increasing damage, yet alone the buff to light attacks, it's absolutely no issue to burst through a shield in at max 2 gcd. At least not for a competent player.

WaltherCarraway wrote: »

PvP is the main reason why everyone can't have fun here.

I've rarely seen such utter nonsense. Thanks for the laugh. Where did you get that from, do you made that yourself? Very good sustain, pff.

Sevn wrote: »

I'm petty, after seeing so many sorcs beg for NB nerfs I'm all in on returning the favor, op or not.

That's a truely mature way to act, noble forum user.

Ender1310 wrote: »

There was a time when sorc was god mode whose offense and defense scales with one stat giving insane damage and it's true best mobility.

You mean it's the only class that has survivability (like healing) scale on the same stats like damage? Same goes for most heals. That generic light armor shield scales with the same resources that power up your damage. Some defensive skills don't need any scaling at all (heal for x% of missing..., mist form, cloak, shade).

Sorc's mobility is not as powerful as it should be, if you consider the fact that you can run after a streaking sorc with just major expedition and sprint, not even those swifty traits are needed. And yes, gap closers are a thing with no cost increase and longer range. Where do magsorcs get their snare removal from? Right, from nowhere if they don't want to run a stamina weapon and therefore go with worse healing by not slotting a resto staff. And not to forget that everyone can have 36+ seconds of major expedition thanks to the new skill line.

But yep, they are no longer as powerful as in the past.

Daus wrote: »

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

Their execute gives them an unfair advantage in BGs (they can steal kills from the opposing team with little effort), their damage shields give them better survivability than heavy armor, Rune cage gives magSorcs free kills with no counterplay, Haunting Curse hits hard than incap but it goes off every 2 seconds, and you can't block or dodge it (you can shield it though which is just another reason why damage shields are OP).

Now you've wandered off into the weeds even more than usual...

LOL, Haunting Curse does NOT hit harder than Incap, and it does NOT go off every 2 seconds!

Average Haunting Curse damage on my death recap is around 6.5k (no-cp). Average Incap is around 5k. And yes, the 2 second bit was an exaggeration.

Do you run around naked? I have never taken such high damage on my medium armor build. And even if your numbers were true, you could start complaining about it when curse puts a stun, defile and the 20%damage thingy on you.

why so much hate for mag sorcs?

For me; they always jumping like rabbits and flee like cowards. Jumping is not a skill pls dont forget it.

Not all BTW but 90% and that's enough for me to hate them.

I have a Stam and Mag of every class fully leveled and unduanted and have PvP'd with all of em. So in terms of Stam classes I feel like it's StamDen StamBlade then the other 3 are interchangeable almost depending on what you want to do. So we'll leave those guys out, cause people here are complaining about magSorc mostly.

MagSorc is really good at ripping potatoes basically, I call mine a potato farmer. It will destroy every bad to barely ok player in cyrodil. It will now with rune cage also really hurt stamBlade. And depending on their reaction speed outright Nuke one that was built purely as a rollerblade ganker.

MagSorc struggles against anyone with some tankiness and over like 24k health. Because the thing about magSorc is they are very single Target and their burst is on a timer. So while curse is down many are able to heal up. Usually you die to a Sorc because you went too hard and didn't put up mitigations or heals. And just tried too hard to execute.

I have played sorc with double shield and with single shield and rapid Regen/mutagen. Both ways honestly work fine, double shield is tankier definitely, but both ways are fine.

Now onto shields themselves they should not be compared to heavy armor alone, they should be compared to blocking or dodging because it is about damage avoidance not mitigating incoming health damage. Shields cost alot of mag blocking and dodging cost alot of stam. Shields scale poorly in PvP vs 2+ players. Unless again they are potatoes. Dodge roll and blocking scale far better than shields, a rollerblade builds low health with no real mitigations and they survive great, a stanDK magPlar MagDK and StamDen survive really well with blocking even against a good amount of people. Now there is alot of counters that work against dodge and blocking now, while the only thing that works against shield is Oblivion damage. That's BS I think. Oblivion damage is a bad mechanic and needs to go, but there should be things that counter shields like defile (not current state of defile though) or Oblivion damage can stay but make it mitigatable as in your armor rating lowers it but allow the damage to go through shields and blocking. Problem is one player can really pressure your shields, that's why sorcs tend to run away alot, to get people chase and burn their resources chasing because against 2 or more players they will just be shield and resto ulti spamming. Now dodge roll and blocking have alot of counters with stuns that go through them. And if you have a Sorc just shield spamming then they are in horrible trouble. Against a good player a shield stack lasts about 2 seconds maybe 3. And a Sorc burst take about 4 seconds, and then back to shielding. Against 2 players or more sorcs can only win if people are really ignoring their healing and mitigations, the sorc will shield stack pop an immovablet or a resto ulti and go in on one of them. And since their health is so low they will die, because they were not playing smart.

Now magSorcs are IMO the best ranged class in PvP. Nightblades burst just doesn't WORK in PvP not good enough. That arrow proc was JUUUUUUUUST doable at 4 light attacks but 5 is too much. It requires way too much effort to line up an arrow proc burst against 2+ good players for magBlade. While at the same time they are completely countered by reflects.

MagDen is good imo I got a ton of kills with mine and could support the group at the same time moreso than my MagSorc could. With trees and just my usual heals. It's more of a support Sorc lol. Sorc is better at killing but in a group I value a magDen more than a magSorc. The tree and ice ulti are fantastic. I know a negate in the right situation is AMAZING though.

MagPlar I did not play for a long time since they took away the stun on shards. But have been again this patch. And they can be played ranged like Mr. Nobody does and can be played as support and melee. They however rely too much on outside skills IMO like soul assault is the best ulti for them honestly, and psijic skills plug alot of the holes in the skilline now with the tone bubble meditate and accelerate. However I am finding it more enjoyable than my Sorc because I have way more Group utility and survivability acces to a purge, THAT AMAZING TEMPLAR BUBBLE!!! And my damage is fantastic especially bats and jabs I can really run rough shot on a group of enimies. And then playing it ranged like Mr. Nobody is a ton of fun.

MagDK is amazing I've played them extensively in PvP. They take less skill to use than a magBlade IMO. But they are a higher skill cap class definitely. They are very tanky. Very bursty if played for that. They have great group utility with talons (yes a Sorc has a version of this but a sorcs bar is very concrete). Are they better than a magSorc? Depends on what you want. The ability to thrive in big fights and control movement or the ability to really burst down guy.

I think overall for mag classes magSorc is the easiest to be decent with, and can carry really bad players to make them seem at least ok. But overall the cieling for a magSorc is lower than most other specs as in if you can survive the full meteor combo then that Sorc really can't beat you unless you really play badly and let your heals/mit go down.

I do think rune cage is overperforming. It was just good enough before this buff. Now it's really good. It needs to be a dot, not extra burst. While in the cage it ticks for more when you break free the dot lingers but is reduced or some BS. It should do damage when it didn't it was just ok. It needs to be tweaked that it doesn't just add more burst.

I think magSorc is the best solo magClass in that you can run away. But in terms of group play (which is what PvP is about sorry 1vX'ers) it is not the best I think a magPlar magDen is better and it is tied with a magDK magBlade is great if they are specced for bombing. Solo a magSorc is best mag class 100%.

I do not mind if it became not possible to stack hardened and annulment but it won't have the effect people think it would.

TLDR: MagSorc good lacking in pressure when burst is down, they very 1v1 in terms of damage and shields are strong against one player but imo do not scale as well as blocking and dodging. I think magSorc is in a nearly balanced place. Not the top dog but a really good solo class probably best after stamBlade in that regard, but besides negate suffer the same problem as a stamBlade in a group in that they are to single Target. However I think a magSorc running negate resto ulti and mutagen is better than a stamBlade in group, but you only really want one and then other more AOE oriented classes in that group.

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

And not to forget that everyone can have 36+ seconds of major expedition thanks to the new skill line.

The major expedition on channeled acceleration is just 9 seconds, the minor force lasts 36s.

You made me salivate for a moment.

as ranked player on EU BG Deathmatch. Mag sorc is superior on some aspect, which is mobility, CC, Good defensive with no downside on offensive, good as area controller,so much utility skill and all skill is useful.