they don't care, i brought this up several weeks in a row with before and after shots of guilds with no items in the store yet nada.

Jayman1000 wrote: »

Kuramas9tails wrote: »

Last night on PS4 NA, there was a Ghost Trader in Elden Root called "Get In My Van". Is there an appropriate way to deal with this? Seems really uncalled for.

What is this? What is a "ghost trader" and why is it uncalled for? what is it? And how can you give a trader a name? Don't guild traders have fixed names?

@Jayman1000, I edited my post just for you.

Should need guild store to bid 50members

Nestor wrote: »

Kuramas9tails wrote: »

The sole purpose of this is to win a spot and sell that spot to someone else to make a profit off of it. Anyone who offers a higher price than what they paid for, the Ghost Trader that owns it will relinquish the spot and let the one who paid them for the trade grab the trader right after.

That is not going to work. You can't relinquish your Kiosk, you rent it for the week. It then goes out for public bidding again. How are they going to stop anyone from Bidding on the Kiosk other than their "customer".

So, anyone who pays for this spot is a fool, both the one thinking they are selling it, and the one who buys it, then can't use it this week, only to have to bid against everyone else for the kiosk next week.

They disband the ghost guild, which then immediately opens the trader up to anyone who wants to buy it. At that point, bidding 1g will instantly lock the trader in for your guild.

Is common on ps4 EU too.

It's an issue on the PC-NA too. Honestly I don't know what they should do about that wouldn't be disruptive to the present bidding system and tax guilds more for getting a spot. For now just find out the main guild that's running those dummy guilds and not buy anything from their real trader. If it's in a popular guild trader city it's most likely one of the other guilds there so it's not hard to find out--hell, ask in zone chat, "Who here is the sister guild of X guild." Someone usually knows and will tell or whisper it to you.

generalmyrick wrote: »

they don't care, i brought this up several weeks in a row with before and after shots of guilds with no items in the store yet nada.

Code changes don’t happen overnight, or over a few weeks. It’s not a fly-by-the-seat-of-your-pants thing. It’s done more cautiously like modding a million dollar car while it’s cruising down the highway.

First, a problem is brought up. A decision is made as to just how important is the problem, compared to all the other things clamoring for attention. Some investigation is done to determine the nature of the issue, in more exact terms than most on the forum seem capable. For example: I recently was trying to help them diagnose a bug where I am listing things on a guild that I don’t belong to, through their trader or rarely through a bank. It’s only happened to me a few times, it’s only happened to one other player when I mentioned it, and it’s clearly not breaking the game - so I’m not at all surprised that the email chain was going slowly. They have bigger issues, the 6th guild thing barely merits any attention at all.

Second, people have a meeting to come up with ideas that address the exact issue with zero to minimal side effects. A list of the ideas of the brainstorming session is compiled.

Third, someone or a small group goes through exploring all the ideas, rejecting any that seemed good but would actually have calamitous effects.

Fourth, results of the exploration are returned to the whole group in the first meeting. Recommendations are made on which would be the most promising and which the most dangerous or complicated.

Fifth, start coding rough drafts. When several improvement cycles have gone past several people’s eyes and generated something that should function, put it in an internal test server and try to break it. Lather, rinse, repeat until ready to put it on the public test server.

Sixth, When enough items have made it through step 5, put the whole thing on an internal test server to check that the different patches at least coexist with each other. Work those bugs internally.

Seventh, finally it’s time to push it to the public test server. Anything that made it this far is highly likely to be simple typo errors or some odd issue that only appeared because of the sheer number of people pushing all those keys, like the infinite monkeys on infinite computers would eventually result in one of them typing the complete works of Shakespeare.

And then their real “fun” begins, as the pc public gets to the task of making the next list of things for step 1.

It's been an issue on PS4 EU for the longest time. Tickets have been sent, reports, ss, the works. There are multiple threads on the subject, a lot of good suggestions to what they can implement as changes to try and get rid of the problem. ZOS just dont care about it.

Ok... so they lock traders. Have you considered potential consequences for this?? If guilds lose their option of a Plan B... then they are going to bid even more since they can't afford to lose. On console where weekly fees are a thing... if bids go up then eventually dues will as well.

Trust me when I say it is NEVER the plan to lose a bid and need a back up. It's a competitive market getting traders, even more so in the hot spots.

Cryptical wrote: »

generalmyrick wrote: »

they don't care, i brought this up several weeks in a row with before and after shots of guilds with no items in the store yet nada.

Code changes don’t happen overnight, or over a few weeks. It’s not a fly-by-the-seat-of-your-pants thing. It’s done more cautiously like modding a million dollar car while it’s cruising down the highway.

First, a problem is brought up. A decision is made as to just how important is the problem, compared to all the other things clamoring for attention. Some investigation is done to determine the nature of the issue, in more exact terms than most on the forum seem capable. For example: I recently was trying to help them diagnose a bug where I am listing things on a guild that I don’t belong to, through their trader or rarely through a bank. It’s only happened to me a few times, it’s only happened to one other player when I mentioned it, and it’s clearly not breaking the game - so I’m not at all surprised that the email chain was going slowly. They have bigger issues, the 6th guild thing barely merits any attention at all.

Second, people have a meeting to come up with ideas that address the exact issue with zero to minimal side effects. A list of the ideas of the brainstorming session is compiled.

Third, someone or a small group goes through exploring all the ideas, rejecting any that seemed good but would actually have calamitous effects.

Fourth, results of the exploration are returned to the whole group in the first meeting. Recommendations are made on which would be the most promising and which the most dangerous or complicated.

Fifth, start coding rough drafts. When several improvement cycles have gone past several people’s eyes and generated something that should function, put it in an internal test server and try to break it. Lather, rinse, repeat until ready to put it on the public test server.

Sixth, When enough items have made it through step 5, put the whole thing on an internal test server to check that the different patches at least coexist with each other. Work those bugs internally.

Seventh, finally it’s time to push it to the public test server. Anything that made it this far is highly likely to be simple typo errors or some odd issue that only appeared because of the sheer number of people pushing all those keys, like the infinite monkeys on infinite computers would eventually result in one of them typing the complete works of Shakespeare.

And then their real “fun” begins, as the pc public gets to the task of making the next list of things for step 1.

Oh how I wish more people understood this process. There would be a lot less angst for everyone, including the devs.

starkerealm wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

Kuramas9tails wrote: »

The sole purpose of this is to win a spot and sell that spot to someone else to make a profit off of it. Anyone who offers a higher price than what they paid for, the Ghost Trader that owns it will relinquish the spot and let the one who paid them for the trade grab the trader right after.

That is not going to work. You can't relinquish your Kiosk, you rent it for the week. It then goes out for public bidding again. How are they going to stop anyone from Bidding on the Kiosk other than their "customer".

So, anyone who pays for this spot is a fool, both the one thinking they are selling it, and the one who buys it, then can't use it this week, only to have to bid against everyone else for the kiosk next week.

They disband the ghost guild, which then immediately opens the trader up to anyone who wants to buy it. At that point, bidding 1g will instantly lock the trader in for your guild.

I have never gone through the process, so I don't know how it works. But from what you are saying they, the Alt guild + Trading guild, actually paid more for the spot, even if it was one gold. I am not sure if you can bit on two locations or not. But this might be an attempt to make sure they get a spot. If they, trading guild, loses the bid on a prime spot, they still have a backup location.

reiverx wrote: »

Ghost traders are there to prevent other guilds from having a prime spot.

Nah they are usually used to help guilds that lose their trader bids. In most cases the "ghost" only gets the spot because no one else put a bid on the trader.