Just make it not stack and problem solved

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Ladislao wrote: »

I think Sload’s Semblance is overpowered. But quite a bit, and not as it is commonly believed (probably because of the first impression). And the problem is not the type or amount of damage per se.

The only problem is versatility of this set. In other words, Sload has a very good set of parameters provided:
1) Decent damage
2) Rare and strong type of damage
3) Easy trigger condition
4) High uptime
5) Great 2-4 bonuses for procset
6) It's easy to get
Nerfing anything from this list (except 6th, of course) will make Sload quite balanced.

In my opinion, there are two good options: reduce uptime by increasing cooldown OR change 2-4 set bonuses (for example, hp regen, weapon critical, spell critical). Similar changes will make this set fairly balanced (it will have its drawbacks in comparison with other sets), but will not kill it completely (it will still be a good tool against shields, high resists and cloaks).

Indeed. The opportunity costs of slotting this set is so low it's nearly a no-brainer. On a standard build you barely miss out on one single stat bonus (weapon/spell dmg), the rest is quite useful.

You lose out on a whole lot of burst ceiling for the build if you use this for a dmg set. Use defensive or sustain set with it and you lose out on the other. You can still have a balanced build with Sload's but at least one of the three (burst/survival/sustain) will not be as high. So it's not really accurate to say there's no tradeoff.

Ever been hit by 2 Sheer Venom snipers? Selene's and Skoria at the same time? Soul Assault while getting popped in the air by
someone else's Uppercut? Xv1 has become empowered by lots of different changes ZOS has made and ppl decide to cry about Sload's Xv1 potential? I don't get it. NB's and sorcs are just mad because it messes with their core defenses, which is the only understandable explanation (to me) for all the QQ. In the Black Rose/Viper/Tremorscale days I actually think more ppl got into PvP since they could finally get kills. I remember one of my friends took a lot longer to realize he was trash at this game thanks to that meta. Not always a bad thing when there's so much free AP running around and noobs can actually have some fun.

WreckfulAbandon wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Ladislao wrote: »

I think Sload’s Semblance is overpowered. But quite a bit, and not as it is commonly believed (probably because of the first impression). And the problem is not the type or amount of damage per se.

The only problem is versatility of this set. In other words, Sload has a very good set of parameters provided:
1) Decent damage
2) Rare and strong type of damage
3) Easy trigger condition
4) High uptime
5) Great 2-4 bonuses for procset
6) It's easy to get
Nerfing anything from this list (except 6th, of course) will make Sload quite balanced.

In my opinion, there are two good options: reduce uptime by increasing cooldown OR change 2-4 set bonuses (for example, hp regen, weapon critical, spell critical). Similar changes will make this set fairly balanced (it will have its drawbacks in comparison with other sets), but will not kill it completely (it will still be a good tool against shields, high resists and cloaks).

Indeed. The opportunity costs of slotting this set is so low it's nearly a no-brainer. On a standard build you barely miss out on one single stat bonus (weapon/spell dmg), the rest is quite useful.

You lose out on a whole lot of burst ceiling for the build if you use this for a dmg set. Use defensive or sustain set with it and you lose out on the other. You can still have a balanced build with Sload's but at least one of the three (burst/survival/sustain) will not be as high. So it's not really accurate to say there's no tradeoff.

Ever been hit by 2 Sheer Venom snipers? Selene's and Skoria at the same time? Soul Assault while getting popped in the air by
someone else's Uppercut? Xv1 has become empowered by lots of different changes ZOS has made and ppl decide to cry about Sload's Xv1 potential? I don't get it. NB's and sorcs are just mad because it messes with their core defenses, which is the only understandable explanation (to me) for all the QQ. In the Black Rose/Viper/Tremorscale days I actually think more ppl got into PvP since they could finally get kills. I remember one of my friends took a lot longer to realize he was trash at this game thanks to that meta. Not always a bad thing when there's so much free AP running around and noobs can actually have some fun.

Exactly! Well said!

elijafire wrote: »

Blobsky wrote: »

I tried my best to not release any builds with this on PTS, but I did post a thread on PTS forums along with many others.

I love a lot of this summerset content, but this set is totally out of hand in PvP. 6K oblivion damage?! Note that oblivion damage ignores all resistances, all shields and even battlespirit.

How exactly are you meant to fight a recap like this on any class with shields xD

https://imgur.com/a/AfSheT9

Even on a non shield class this is literally 1k guaranteed damage every second for the entirity of the fight, which massively outdoes any other set in game.

(2 items) Adds 1096 Maximum Magicka
(3 items) Adds 1096 Maximum Stamina
(4 items) Adds 129 Spell Damage
(4 items) Adds 129 Weapon Damage
(5 items) Damaging an enemy has a 10% chance to put a Leeching Shadow on them, dealing 853 Oblivion Damage every 1 second for 6 seconds. This effect can occur every 6 seconds.

Literally (and I mean literally) no set that zos has nerfed has EVER been OP. It's extremely niche. It's just that those who complain the loudest are usually (U S U A L L Y me being a pvp sorc I know there is at least one of us who doesn't) are shield stacking sorcs. It's just plain fact. I laughed out loud for months when they nerfed bash because of pvp whines. It was meh, now its less then meh.


Zaan. If you have never used it in vSP or any other mobile fight for that matter, you have no room to even complain about it, much less if you actually die to it in PvP lol.


Even the latest nerf to that "ok" crit set was totally uneeded, sets like Spinners and Julianos were and definitely are now, more reliable and mobile in real world situations.

I think it's hilarious actually and it makes my job tons easier bc all I have to do is come on here and see what the sorcs are crying to the heavens about and avoid those sets like the plague bc they will soon become decon fodder.

Eli

I'll give you 100k PC EU if you beat my sload build on any class you like that doesnt use sload

They just don't like the Oblivion damage. It is the equalizer. It's obviously intended to be something that works against shield stackers. First Oblivion damage glyphs and shield breaker. Now this. Every time ANYTHING effective vs the sacred shield stackers comes along the whine to the heavens can be heard...well..to the heavens...and sadly in the ESO forums. I mean the best argument we've heard so far (and it's no argument at all) is they acknowledge it's not that much damage but it's a problem when multiple people are wearing it. As if being hit with the effects from ANY OTHER SET a group might be wearing should be any different.

Sload's pairs well with a variety of sets giving a build a little extra oomph. It means when I bring a shield down my target is already slightly damaged. That slight damage I'm finding is enough to make things hairy but not decisively so. The thing is shield stackers are used to being able to drop shield instead of a heal. Oblivion damage causes a whole other dynamic to pvp. sloads doesn't produce a ton of damage but it's enough they might have to play a little differently. Kind of like we've all had to do from time to time. But let's be real here. It's not like there's a lack of proc sets that synergize well for sorcs and other magicka builds by applying a ton of damage on target.

I encourage ZOS to leave the set alone

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hey folks, just letting you know we have seen this thread and are looking into Sload's performance.

This thread and countless others. Thanks for hopefully doing the right thing and nerfing this set hard.

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hey folks, just letting you know we have seen this thread and are looking into Sload's performance.

Meanwhile what about Zaan and ValkinSkoria performace?
Blob asks and the devs run?

Plus, I am writing this post during a 5 minutes loadscreen in BG.
I've spent the last 10 minutes between a loadscreen and watching untargettable corpses scoring kills.

#blobsprioritiesareourpriorities

ChildOfLight wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hey folks, just letting you know we have seen this thread and are looking into Sload's performance.

Meanwhile what about Zaan and ValkinSkoria performace?
Blob asks and the devs run?

Plus, I am writing this post during a 5 minutes loadscreen in BG.
I've spent the last 10 minutes between a loadscreen and watching untargettable corpses scoring kills.

#blobsprioritiesareourpriorities

I mean if you think Sloads is balanced you can make a thread too. People will mostly laugh at you, but you can make it.

ChildOfLight wrote: »

@Nyladreas

Skoomah is one of the most experienced pvpers here fyi

@Blobsky

I never said Sloads is balanced.
I said Skoria and Zaan are unbalanced on the same level. Still I don't see any thread of yours on the matter, nor a Gina post.
Probably because you use Skoria in every build

You can nerf every set in the game for all I care, but nothing is at sload level lol.

I also run Magplar - no skoria
Magsorc - no skoria
MagNB - any ramdom sets definitely no skoria
MagDK - Skoria or bloodspawn 5050

Thats 1/4 even assuming im not in bloodspawn.

Make zaan and skoria do 100 damage max and I honestly wouldnt care bur Sload is new level bs

Sloads is a lazy way for ZOS to address how overly powerful shield stacking and cloak are. If ZOS nerfs Sloads, we must demand nerfs to shield stacking and cloak as well. Everyone's complaining about Sloads but a lot of you are missing the point of why pvp'ers really like it, it counters the two most overpowered mechanics in the game. I could get more damage using other sets in the game but how can I turn down a way to pull NBs out of cloak spamming or Sorcs from infinite shields.

Have you gone up against an elite Nightblade? They will time their cloak perfectly to avoid most of your damage and come right back at you for 15k burst dmg over and over again with nearly no downtime. Try outhealing that or blocking. Doesn't work.

How about an elite Sorc? Whenever they need to go defensive, they shield spam. You can beat on them for a fight that has reset in terms of health and resource pools 3-4 times and on and on they go with their shield spamming. Shield spam into resto alt, almost like nothing happened. Back to full health and full resources to dish out damage. And in the right hands, elite sorcs are dishing out tons of damage while having massive shields up constantly.

Can we please get some perspective and be honest when we call for nerfs?

Dodge roll to where though? Most of the time, Stam players are snared to death. After a 2-3 dodge rolls in a row, the increased cost gets prohibitive. Good stam players use their dodge rolls only intermittently. If you spam dodge rolls you burn through so much stamina, which leaves little else to dps with.

The only class that uses dodge roll consistently when I fight against other opponents are Stam Nightblades. The same class that is guilty of cloak spamming.

Dodge Roll Usage Rate:
Stam DK - Low
Mag DK - Rare

Stam Temp - Rare
Mag Temp - Rare

Stam NB - High
Mag NB - Rare

Stam Warden - Rare
Mag Warden - Rare

Stam Sorc - Low
Mag Sorc - Rare

Out of the 10 classes only three really dodge roll in my experience in pvp. It's really only effective on a Nightblade because they roll into a cloak. On anything else, it's roll dodging into a snare or more burst damage from your opponent.

When I roll dodge on a Stam DK, it's to roll dodge behind a rock to get out of line of sight. Preferably I only roll dodge 1 time or 2 times maximum or I'm out of stamina otherwise.

How pepple defend this set is beyond me lol.. Even most Zergers, Xv1ers etc I know agree it is nonsense. Anyone defending this set is honestly a lost cause in the world of logic.

JPcrazysquirrel3 wrote: »

I played PvP for 5 hours straight yesterday against red and blue zergs and have yet to see Sloads on my death recap. Other PvP guild members said the same thing.

You tend to find tbat in 40man zergs