Cyrodiil Server Issues

Casterial · June 2018

I've been around for a long time. I use to play this game with 1000 ping daily in Cyrodiil and it was still playable. At the time almost everything was on the client side (hint: that's how most people used hacks) But, then you guys(ZOS) were forced to move everything over to the server to help performance and also stop the hacking issues.

So I noticed a few issues, specially to Summerset.
I don't know if its everything is now on the server side, but you need a new server.
Your server can no longer handle Cyrodiil at all. My PING bar never spikes above 500, but 175 ping feels like 285 ping, 250 ping feels like 400 ping, 350 ping feels like almost 750 - 1000 at times. I don't know if your PING bar is even accurate. High ping just feels awful, 175 is semi playable, 250 is kinda okay.... 250+ is RIP log off time or AFK.

Also note: This is Cyrodiil after the population was cut down to a 3rd of what it use to allow. It use to be pop cap at 300 or 500, now its 150-200 per faction.

I live in California, my internet is hardwired 350 MB Down, 30 Up and I think the lowest PING I get in Cyrodiil now is 100, I use to be able to sit at 60-85.

So, my question to ZOS and maybe even the playerbase…

Do you think ZOS needs to invest in an expensive really well performance server? This server I realize was pretty new a few years back, but now Cyrodiil is big time laggy, not FPS lag (150FPS on ultra here) But PING lag the delay is incredible... I'll be in a 40v40 fight maybe even 25 v 25 and when I cast a skill with 175 ping it takes 2-4 seconds register, sometimes it doesn't register at all.

TLDR

The ping use to not be this bad (it also feels like its multiplied by 2 or 3 every time now.)
You need a new server, or optimization in Cyrodiil
Prime Time near unplayable...… I still try though!
Performance is continuously going down hill
Also add some new content to Cyrodiil we're bored! ( Just randomly added this because why not its true!:P … Maybe make IC count as part of the campaign? idk... lol IC is dead)

PC Specs:
ESO is on an M.2 I don't get loading screens, takes seconds to load anywhere
32GB 3200MHz RAM
GTX 1070 8 GB VRam
I7 6800k over clocked 4GHz 6 core

Internet: 350 MB Down, 30 Up

This is on the end of ZOS at this point. My FPS isn't an issue (The stutter seems to have slowly vanished) now its just this awful delay.

EDIT: Also shooters have everything server side, but the MAX ping is usually 60, lowest and average is 5- 20. So your goal should be this if everything is server...

Casterial · June 2018

Also, don't let this get buried this is a major issue with Cyrodiil currently.

Rygonix · June 2018

Casterial wrote: »

[*] Also add some new content to Cyrodiil we're bored! ( Just randomly added this because why not its true!:P … Maybe make IC count as part of the campaign? idk... lol IC is dead)

I have plenty of PvP-enthused guildmates that would love to participate in IC but won't due to it being a DLC and most don't own IC or pay for ESO+. I think that just adding it to the base game would go a long way towards bringing much more life to the now completely desolate zone that is IC.

Casterial · June 2018

Rygonix wrote: »

gn? idk... lol IC is dead)

I have plenty of PvP-enthused guildmates that would love to participate in IC but won't due to it being a DLC and most don't own IC or pay for ESO+. I think that just adding it to the base game would go a long way towards bringing much more life to the now completely desolate zone that is IC.

Completely agree, IC is very old and if it just became part of the base game it'd grow majorly... It should be that free DLC now to promote PVP and also make PVP grow. I stepped foot into IC and I think I saw 1 player in the home base during pop lock time? Lol.

Casterial · June 2018

Rygonix wrote: »

I think that just adding it to the base game

They may never due this due to money... But Morrowind was free with Summerset so... Why can't DLC be free? has less content? Right?

amir412 · June 2018

ZOS does not care. They abandoned pvp long time ago.

Ashdroid · June 2018

On PS4 NA it's utterly broken.

It's freezing for a couple seconds every few minutes, and completely freezing (requiring players to close the game) a couple times an hour. For me, every time a keep wall would be destroyed my game would hard freeze; others were saying it happened when they used an ultimate in a battle.

The alliance populations weren't even full when this was happening. One was at 2/3; the others were at 1/3.

Rebirthment · June 2018

Been having severe lag spikes within cyrodiil lately. To the point where i have freezed a few times and crashed back into the login screen today.

I know most people have gotten somewhat used to lag and consider it 'normal' within cyrodiil, but ever since this patch hit, ive been getting nothing but lag spikes/freezes every few minutes. Hopefully ZOS can actually look into this.

Casterial · June 2018

Ashdroid wrote: »

On PS4 NA it's utterly broken.

It's freezing for a couple seconds every few minutes, and completely freezing (requiring players to close the game) a couple times an hour. For me, every time a keep wall would be destroyed my game would hard freeze; others were saying it happened when they used an ultimate in a battle.

The alliance populations weren't even full when this was happening. One was at 2/3; the others were at 1/3.

This stuttering was a PC issue fixed with the last hot fix patch on Monday night. I know your pain.

Casterial · June 2018

Rebirthment wrote: »

Been having severe lag spikes within cyrodiil lately. To the point where i have freezed a few times and crashed back into the login screen today.

I know most people have gotten somewhat used to lag and consider it 'normal' within cyrodiil, but ever since this patch hit, ive been getting nothing but lag spikes/freezes every few minutes. Hopefully ZOS can actually look into this.

Completely agree, the lag spikes are much more noticeable. Like I said, 1000 ping was playable, but the "300" ping now days is actually unplayable nothing is registering.

akredon_ESO · June 2018

This is definitely an issue. Last night i couldn't even do anything because the game was lagging so much. I was about to make a post similar to yours but it was going to come off as a nerd rage post than anything else. like i dont think ZOS truly understands how infuriating this is. Light attacks not working skills not working and when they do they Micro slice basically which means all the attacks are hitting at once due to the lag. I really do believe they need to invest in the infrastructure. i Really think they need to go back to the board and start looking at

Certain Skills and armor sets, something is causing it and ZOS really needs to start utilizing the community for this to figure out what is going on. Why not set up a Forum of players to test stuff and present data ? you guys made one for the Class community why not start utilizing people for Server performance. I my self work for my ISP.

I want ESO to succeed as a player but ZOS is driving my absolutely freaking crazy because they arnt Wanting to impact things. YOUR TEST ENVIRONMENT ISN'T GOING TO PROVIDE YOU THE DATA YOU NEED PRODUCTION TESTING Give AP rewards or something in exchange for this.

Start with an onion Peel layers, I am completely mind boggled that this game has been out for 4 years yet Cyrodiil performance is Still an issue.

Doctordarkspawn · June 2018

ZOS's server archetecture is broken. The people who originally built it are no longer there and it's fell into disrepair.

dunno what you guys expect.

Casterial · June 2018

akredon_ESO wrote: »

This is definitely an issue. Last night i couldn't even do anything because the game was lagging so much. I was about to make a post similar to yours but it was going to come off as a nerd rage post than anything else. like i dont think ZOS truly understands how infuriating this is. Light attacks not working skills not working and when they do they Micro slice basically which means all the attacks are hitting at once due to the lag. I really do believe they need to invest in the infrastructure. i Really think they need to go back to the board and start looking at

Certain Skills and armor sets, something is causing it and ZOS really needs to start utilizing the community for this to figure out what is going on. Why not set up a Forum of players to test stuff and present data ? you guys made one for the Class community why not start utilizing people for Server performance. I my self work for my ISP.

I want ESO to succeed as a player but ZOS is driving my absolutely freaking crazy because they arnt Wanting to impact things. YOUR TEST ENVIRONMENT ISN'T GOING TO PROVIDE YOU THE DATA YOU NEED PRODUCTION TESTING Give AP rewards or something in exchange for this.

Start with an onion Peel layers, I am completely mind boggled that this game has been out for 4 years yet Cyrodiil performance is Still an issue.

I understand your pain, 4 years here as well in Cyrodiil and to be honest this is the worst Cyrodiil has ever run.

So what I think is happening is:

They pushed everything onto the server end, and no longer client end to avoid exploiters/hackers.

this means that the slightest PING raise will actually be a drastic game changer and issue. You will see the lag switches in people.
This also means that everything above normal ping is going to have a much larger delay

Cyrodiil population per time now I believe is max: 450-600 total.
In the past Cyrodiil population was: "reduced greatly for performance in 2014, and also 2016.

I can't find the 2016 nerf I do remember it went from 600 or 750 to 500, and then 300 and recently heard its now around 150ish or so (Its probably 200-250)

But the population is reduced and performance is just bad? I don't understand. They really need better servers.

Casterial · June 2018

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

ZOS's server archetecture is broken. The people who originally built it are no longer there and it's fell into disrepair.

dunno what you guys expect.

Shouldn't fire, or keep half your employes unhappy... Lol The original combat designer I believe also left and thus this is the new system min/max

Doctordarkspawn · June 2018

Casterial wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

ZOS's server archetecture is broken. The people who originally built it are no longer there and it's fell into disrepair.

dunno what you guys expect.

Shouldn't fire, or keep half your employes unhappy... Lol The original combat designer I believe also left and thus this is the new system min/max

The original combat designer also made the game with the express vision of making it the next DAOC. He's not a great example, considering he crippled ESO's combat options from there onward.

But back to the matter at hand, this is ZOS we're talking about. It'd cut into their profits to hire better programmers or upgrade the server. It likely wont happen.

akredon_ESO · June 2018

@Casterial I dont think its the population anymore dude. I think its Sets and calculations.

Take Monster sets and have their 2 peice Set Locked out of pvp. ( mainly the ones that have some sort of Proc Valkyn Zaan ect)
Take proc sets and lock them out of pvp.

Start there. After that I think starting with Skills is the next course of action. Until they figure out what the issue is

Casterial · June 2018

akredon_ESO wrote: »

@Casterial I dont think its the population anymore dude. I think its Sets and calculations.

Take Monster sets and have their 2 peice Set Locked out of pvp. ( mainly the ones that have some sort of Proc Valkyn Zaan ect)
Take proc sets and lock them out of pvp.

Start there. After that I think starting with Skills is the next course of action. Until they figure out what the issue is

Possibly? I just spammed Vigor 15 times and it used all my stamina but DID NOT cast Vigor at all.. So that's a little fishy of their server... I also tried to resurrect someone, it took an extra 4 seconds after the bar was finished at 175 ping.

My theory now is: The ping bar is divided by 3 and ZOS has been hiding the truth.

So 175 x 3 is the real PING, or even x 4.. Who knows how much they divided it by haha

akredon_ESO · June 2018

Well im playing on US- shor and i have had zero issues with any lag in pvp. So it might be Vivec if you are palying on it

gp1680 · June 2018

Cyrodiil-Xbox NA is trash. Freezes, lag, rubber banding, crashes. This game has turned into garbage. Someone should lose their job over this.

xxthir13enxx · June 2018

It’s no longer PVP, it’s a RNG Battle...the one who freezes dies...

Casterial · June 2018

akredon_ESO wrote: »

Well im playing on US- shor and i have had zero issues with any lag in pvp. So it might be Vivec if you are palying on it

@akredon_ESO please tell me Shor is alive and well? I'm afraid of running places I'm only in Vivec because I solo run all day lol.

gp1680 wrote: »

Cyrodiil-Xbox NA is trash. Freezes, lag, rubber banding, crashes. This game has turned into garbage. Someone should lose their job over this.

PC had this same issue, crashing is the only one present still. Stay strong young one!

xxthir13enxx wrote: »

It’s no longer PVP, it’s a RNG Battle...the one who freezes dies...

This is freaking hilarious!

terrannova · June 2018

I get timed out at big fights now...(50+) and cant use skills

Best servers ever
Pc eu

Casterial · June 2018

terrannova wrote: »

I get timed out at big fights now...(50+) and cant use skills

Best servers ever
Pc eu

Its not just eu! Its the US as well. Its pretty awful.

akredon_ESO · June 2018

Eh when i was playing saturday it wasnt Terrible. I run solo typically my self. so it wasnt to bad the biggest issue for me is lag. and when i was playing on Shor i wasnt really having nay

Casterial · June 2018

akredon_ESO wrote: »

Eh when i was playing saturday it wasnt Terrible. I run solo typically my self. so it wasnt to bad the biggest issue for me is lag. and when i was playing on Shor i wasnt really having nay

I run solo, but to get any action now days you need to stay near most action now days. Its fine until large zergs roll through.

Preyfar · June 2018

Rygonix wrote: »

Casterial wrote: »

[*] Also add some new content to Cyrodiil we're bored! ( Just randomly added this because why not its true!:P … Maybe make IC count as part of the campaign? idk... lol IC is dead)

I have plenty of PvP-enthused guildmates that would love to participate in IC but won't due to it being a DLC and most don't own IC or pay for ESO+. I think that just adding it to the base game would go a long way towards bringing much more life to the now completely desolate zone that is IC.

IC just needs more incentives to play there. There's no much risk/reward. Telvar stones are have been greatly improved but there's still no must have loot, and there's no major drive for people to go there.

You want to see Imperial City popularity skyrocket overnight? Add in jewelry crafting bags that give a chance for trait stones and upgrade mads to be bought with TV. People will farm it like madmen.

Casterial · June 2018

Preyfar wrote: »

Rygonix wrote: »

Casterial wrote: »

[*] Also add some new content to Cyrodiil we're bored! ( Just randomly added this because why not its true!:P … Maybe make IC count as part of the campaign? idk... lol IC is dead)

I have plenty of PvP-enthused guildmates that would love to participate in IC but won't due to it being a DLC and most don't own IC or pay for ESO+. I think that just adding it to the base game would go a long way towards bringing much more life to the now completely desolate zone that is IC.

IC just needs more incentives to play there. There's no much risk/reward. Telvar stones are have been greatly improved but there's still no must have loot, and there's no major drive for people to go there.

You want to see Imperial City popularity skyrocket overnight? Add in jewelry crafting bags that give a chance for trait stones and upgrade mads to be bought with TV. People will farm it like madmen.

Another great idea! IC is dead and its sad, it was amazing seeing it alive at one point. I think now days it'll just be zerged down though. However, there does need to be some way to encourage people to go to IC. They did add house storage, but.... you can get that elsewhere.

Preyfar · June 2018

Casterial wrote: »

Preyfar wrote: »

Rygonix wrote: »

Casterial wrote: »

[*] Also add some new content to Cyrodiil we're bored! ( Just randomly added this because why not its true!:P … Maybe make IC count as part of the campaign? idk... lol IC is dead)

I have plenty of PvP-enthused guildmates that would love to participate in IC but won't due to it being a DLC and most don't own IC or pay for ESO+. I think that just adding it to the base game would go a long way towards bringing much more life to the now completely desolate zone that is IC.

IC just needs more incentives to play there. There's no much risk/reward. Telvar stones are have been greatly improved but there's still no must have loot, and there's no major drive for people to go there.

You want to see Imperial City popularity skyrocket overnight? Add in jewelry crafting bags that give a chance for trait stones and upgrade mads to be bought with TV. People will farm it like madmen.

Another great idea! IC is dead and its sad, it was amazing seeing it alive at one point. I think now days it'll just be zerged down though. However, there does need to be some way to encourage people to go to IC. They did add house storage, but.... you can get that elsewhere.

I want to see PVP succeed and I want to see people enjoy it. I find it fun, but there needs to be more incentives to encourage people to try it out.

eso_lags · June 2018

It just doesnt matter anymore... I have been writing these posts for going on 2 years now and have gotten nothing but silence. 99.99% of the posts about lag or server issues get nothing but silence... Take this one for example (and if you havent cast your vote and posted, you should)..

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/5213051#Comment_5213051

The sad truth about zenimax online studios is that they dont care about this issue and never will.. I will ask this question to @ZOS_GinaBruno or any other dev.. A question i have asked in dozens of threads.. What does it say about your game, and the future of your game, if the game performance always gets worse and never gets better? This games performance has been on a rapid decline for going on 3 years. One tamriel started it imo. But we will always get silence, and if they do comment it will be the usual "we are actively working on improving the servers".. That response doesnt cut it anymore...

eso_lags · June 2018

Also watching the bethesda E3 showcase last night really pissed me off.. Todd howard was saying something along the lines of fallout 76 is going to have dedicated servers that will support the game for now and years to come.. If these servers are going to be so great then why dont they help zos fix these damn servers?? And yes i know fallout 76 will be a lot different than eso when it comes to player size on a server.

https://youtu.be/OxGorVTMDIU?t=9113

Casterial · June 2018

I agree, I said the same crap I spammed "FIX ESO SERVERS" on the E3 official live stream over this. I don't care what they say ESO servers are complete trash for this type of game.