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The game is now Pay to win thanks to crowns for gold in game.
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Slick_007✭✭✭✭✭
✭skywarnmc27 wrote: »It will severly hurt the trading system in the game...Motifs, costumes, char slots, backpack upgrades etc etc....now a guild can sell those for gold to increase their gold. Watch trade bids be 100 million or 150 million before to long.
so your definition of pay to win is that? please, come back when you have a literate response.0 -
CelticStones✭✭✭Watch traders start asking for 300k sales a week, oh wait, they already have, self fulfilling prophecy... Now I understand the reason for this post...0
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Asha_11_ESO✭✭✭skywarnmc27 wrote: »It will severly hurt the trading system in the game...Motifs, costumes, char slots, backpack upgrades etc etc....now a guild can sell those for gold to increase their gold. Watch trade bids be 100 million or 150 million before to long.
Do you understand what pay to win means?
Will a motif help you finish a trial? Does donning a costume make you able to solo every world boss with ease? Does having all backpack upgrades increase the drop rate of Perfect Roe? Does unlocking a character slot make you meta dps?1 -
zyk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Everyone seems to be missing the OP's point. He's not talking about P2W at a combat level. He's talking about the trading game in ESO. To some players, the trading game is more important than PVP or Trials.
He makes a good point. In theory, someone with a large disposable income could throw around Crown gifts to attract/butter up the top sellers and/or accumulate in-game wealth to finance kiosk bids by trading Crown gifts for gold.Ya know they still have to make the gold to spend the gold? Right now trade guilds are offering up services such as two hours of farming or fishing at auctions that sell for a lot more gold than they are probably worth. The members tend to support the guild one way or another. Offering up something from the crown store for auction probably isn't going to change how much a guild brings in each week.
Are you kidding? Bundles of Crown Crates and the most expensive Crown-only houses will be worth millions of gold. Kiosk bids, in theory, could be financed exclusively with gold obtained through Crate trades.
ESO feels less like a game and more like something along the lines of Second Life or IMVU now. It's very disappointing.Edited by zyk on June 9, 2018 5:32AM1 -
DoctorESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Juju_beans wrote: »And if someone wants to give a guild master 100 million gold for a 5K crown banker dude so what ?
How does that hurt you ?
Is that the going rate for a 5K crown banker NPC? If so, does anyone want to give me 100 million gold in exchange for a banker NPC?
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Cpt_Teemo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Juju_beans wrote: »And if someone wants to give a guild master 100 million gold for a 5K crown banker dude so what ?
How does that hurt you ?
Is that the going rate for a 5K crown banker NPC? If so, does anyone want to give me 100 million gold in exchange for a banker NPC?
I'll do it for 99,999,999, I mean i'll buy a banker to sell for 99,999,999
Edited by Cpt_Teemo on June 9, 2018 6:00AM1 -
hydrocynus✭✭✭✭✭skywarnmc27 wrote: »"A Crown Store item is considered an in-game item" So people can spend a ton of RL money, and guild members can gift crown items for in game gold. This is seriously going to SCREW up the entire game, and trading system.
What can you buy in the crown store that makes you kill stuff faster?My internet is invalid0 -
you can already buy gold at black market
its always was pay to win just not legally1 -
Odnoc✭✭✭✭imnotanother wrote: »Does anyone know what “Pay to Win” really means?
These threads pop up constantly and are never close to describing a pay to win situation.
This. I’ve seen people saying the expansion makes the game pay to win because of the new content... I don’t think people know.0 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭SaintAemilian wrote: »I really hate to say it, but this topic is completely idiotic, even moreso when the OP explained.
So if I'm tracking this correctly, this game is now Pay to Win simply because of the trading system changing?
That is incredibly odd because, as a Solo Player, I don't actually do the whole trading thing, and I've been doing just fine.
The theory is, you can convert crowns into cash by trading crown store items for gold. In practice... eh, not really. I mean, Even if you walk away with enough money to gold out your gear, if you don't know what you're doing that's not going to carry you very far.0 -
zyk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭imnotanother wrote: »Does anyone know what “Pay to Win” really means?
These threads pop up constantly and are never close to describing a pay to win situation.
This. I’ve seen people saying the expansion makes the game pay to win because of the new content... I don’t think people know.
The ability to legitimately buy gold with cash is black and white play to win, actually. The people calling the OP ignorant are the ignorant ones because they have extremely narrow definitions of the term which don't encompass all elements of the game.
So no, gifting someone hair isn't P2W. However, trading, for example, a 13K Crown Notable house for millions of gold clearly could be in many contexts. In the context of the OP, it could be used to help a guild win a guild trader bid.
Beyond that, it gives the affluent and the credit-foolish the ability to completely bypass the need to earn a gold income in-game. That's a pretty huge short cut. They can pay the peasants to do even more work for them now!
Considering what players are known to spend on housing and crates, Crown store gifting will surely impact the culture of the game, especially trading, in many ways.Edited by zyk on June 9, 2018 7:23AM0 -
WaltherCarraway✭✭✭✭✭I didn't pay 50 bucks to the game or group members get my Master Inferno Staff.Back from my last hiatus. 2021 a new start.0 -
bellatrixed✭✭✭✭✭It's actually the literal opposite of pay to win.
Now all the people who cry about how they won't spend $$$ to support the game (despite playing it every single day) can buy crown stuff with gold instead of $$$.
In what universe is that P2W? You literally no longer have to PAY to get anything from the crown store! AmazingESO Roleplay | RP community for all factions/servers/platforms4 -
zyk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭WaltherCarraway wrote: »I didn't pay 50 bucks to the game or group members get my Master Inferno Staff.
But you could, actually. Paid (for gold) carries for Trials and even dungeon achievements are a thing. So now that also means cash will likely happen.
I'm fine with gold carries because that fits in with the player economy, but not cash carries. I think it's lame that loophole now exists.0 -
Kel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Everyone seems to be missing the OP's point. He's not talking about P2W at a combat level. He's talking about the trading game in ESO. To some players, the trading game is more important than PVP or Trials.
He makes a good point. In theory, someone with a large disposable income could throw around Crown gifts to attract/butter up the top sellers and/or accumulate in-game wealth to finance kiosk bids by trading Crown gifts for gold.Ya know they still have to make the gold to spend the gold? Right now trade guilds are offering up services such as two hours of farming or fishing at auctions that sell for a lot more gold than they are probably worth. The members tend to support the guild one way or another. Offering up something from the crown store for auction probably isn't going to change how much a guild brings in each week.
Are you kidding? Bundles of Crown Crates and the most expensive Crown-only houses will be worth millions of gold. Kiosk bids, in theory, could be financed exclusively with gold obtained through Crate trades.
ESO feels less like a game and more like something along the lines of Second Life or IMVU now. It's very disappointing.
You guys realize in World of Warcraft, you can just buy gold for real money, right? Directly from Blizzard, not some 3rd party shady site..
https://us.shop.battle.net/en-us/product/world-of-warcraft-token
Not only that, but you can use the tokens for thier Blizzard net balance, meaning you can buy things like transfers and items from thier store...all with in game gold. Gold you get by selling a token on the auction house you paid for with real money.
You're telling me the WoW player base is able to handle this, but not ESO's?
Never thought I'd see the day ESO players were more whiny than WoW players...yet, here we are...
Edited by Kel on June 9, 2018 8:31AM4 -
zyk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It's not whiny at all. At the end of the day, it comes down to personal preference. Years ago, the majority of MMO players felt the same as I do. But times have changed, obviously.
Regardless of one's preference, it's clearly a P2W dynamic when one can exchange cash for gold and therefore pretty much any kind of in-game service from other players.1 -
Radinyn✭✭✭✭✭You know goldselling is a thing? Well now goldselling money goes to ZOS = more money = more content0 -
Kel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It's not whiny at all. At the end of the day, it comes down to personal preference. Years ago, the majority of MMO players felt the same as I do. But times have changed, obviously.
Regardless of one's preference, it's clearly a P2W dynamic when one can exchange cash for gold and therefore pretty much any kind of in-game service from other players.
What is the difference between this and paying gold for any in game service now? So, someone who trades and has billions of gold, it's fine for them to get whatever they want...including paying gold for trial carries? That's not considered pay to win because..reasons? It's only been happening since the dawn of MMO's. But someone trades a banker for a carry and all of the sudden this is a slippery slope?
Laughable.2 -
zyk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭What is the difference between this and paying gold for any in game service now? So, someone who trades and has billions of gold, it's fine for them to get whatever they want...including paying gold for trial carries? That's not considered pay to win because..reasons? It's only been happening since the dawn of MMO's. But someone trades a banker for a carry and all of the sudden this is a slippery slope?
What's the difference between earning gold by playing the game vs buying it with cash? Are you serious?0 -
clocksstoppe✭✭✭✭✭
✭goldselling money goes to ZOS = more money = more contentmore content
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztVMib1T4T4
the extra money goes into the pockets of the shareholders, there won't be any invested in content creation3 -
Kel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭What is the difference between this and paying gold for any in game service now? So, someone who trades and has billions of gold, it's fine for them to get whatever they want...including paying gold for trial carries? That's not considered pay to win because..reasons? It's only been happening since the dawn of MMO's. But someone trades a banker for a carry and all of the sudden this is a slippery slope?
What's the difference between earning gold by playing the game vs buying it with cash? Are you serious?
Your non answer is telling...you don't have one.
Paying for a carry is paying for a carry. Explain the diffrence. You earn gold with time, or you pay for gold with cosmetics. So, buying a Specter mask, or a mud ball pouch is pay to win because you traded a cosmetic you didn't earn for gold?
One can't do it on thier own, so they pay for it. Your issue seems to be how they do it, and it's odd because neither way effects you what so ever. Seems to me this just evens the playing field and makes up for the *** trading system in this game.
And like I've pointed out, this isn't even a new thing. I doubt you'll find another successful MMO that doesn't have this type of system.
Again, milking someone for gear/items now, things with real power, a-ok according to you, as long as its gold in game. Yet let someone trade cosmetics for gold....cosmetics....just because they bought it with real cash....that's somehow unacceptable.
Sounds more like jealousy.Edited by Kel on June 9, 2018 9:25AM2 -
dtsharples✭✭✭✭✭Wait, what?
You think a guild leader is going to pay real money, to buy crowns, to then sell items to their guild-mates for imaginary gold?
In order to fund an imaginary trader?
I'm totally lost.1 -
Radinyn✭✭✭✭✭clocksstoppe wrote: »goldselling money goes to ZOS = more money = more contentmore contenthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztVMib1T4T4
the extra money goes into the pockets of the shareholders, there won't be any invested in content creation
You can never know, but more money for company that makes my fav game is always good.0 -
DanteYoda✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Cosmetics are now Pay to win...
I weep for mankind lolEdited by DanteYoda on June 9, 2018 11:35AM3 -
ArvenAldmeri✭✭✭✭✭First of, its not pay to win. Second, its against the TOS.Magicka sorcerer from start until the end. Always. Through the good times and the bad, even now when its probably saddest PvE dps it has ever been.
Even as an owner of one radiant apex mounts I am against radiant apex mounts and anything thats not obtainable by direct purchase.0 -
Cpt_Teemo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭ArvenAldmeri wrote: »First of, its not pay to win. Second, its against the TOS.
Gina already said it wasn't against the ToS to sell crown items for in game gold, and yes it is p2w1 -
Universe✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Everyone seems to be missing the OP's point. He's not talking about P2W at a combat level. He's talking about the trading game in ESO. To some players, the trading game is more important than PVP or Trials.
He makes a good point. In theory, someone with a large disposable income could throw around Crown gifts to attract/butter up the top sellers and/or accumulate in-game wealth to finance kiosk bids by trading Crown gifts for gold.Ya know they still have to make the gold to spend the gold? Right now trade guilds are offering up services such as two hours of farming or fishing at auctions that sell for a lot more gold than they are probably worth. The members tend to support the guild one way or another. Offering up something from the crown store for auction probably isn't going to change how much a guild brings in each week.
Are you kidding? Bundles of Crown Crates and the most expensive Crown-only houses will be worth millions of gold. Kiosk bids, in theory, could be financed exclusively with gold obtained through Crate trades.
ESO feels less like a game and more like something along the lines of Second Life or IMVU now. It's very disappointing.
Exactly.
Sadly very few manage to see the big picture.
Combat is not the only aspect in this game.
The P2W influence the OP is talking about is linked to the game's economy, which will most certainly will be affected by the crown store gifting.Edited by Universe on June 9, 2018 12:26PMSome videos I recorded for fun: Main character:
PC EU main: Universe - AD magicka Sorcerer, Former Emperor, Grand Overlord, The Merciless, Trial Bosses Solo Champion
Top alts: Genius(stamina/sagicka Dragonknight) The Force(stamina Nightblade) and other chars.
PC NA main: The Magic - AD magicka Sorcerer
Started playing ESO in beta & early access
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Cpt_Teemo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Everyone seems to be missing the OP's point. He's not talking about P2W at a combat level. He's talking about the trading game in ESO. To some players, the trading game is more important than PVP or Trials.
He makes a good point. In theory, someone with a large disposable income could throw around Crown gifts to attract/butter up the top sellers and/or accumulate in-game wealth to finance kiosk bids by trading Crown gifts for gold.Ya know they still have to make the gold to spend the gold? Right now trade guilds are offering up services such as two hours of farming or fishing at auctions that sell for a lot more gold than they are probably worth. The members tend to support the guild one way or another. Offering up something from the crown store for auction probably isn't going to change how much a guild brings in each week.
Are you kidding? Bundles of Crown Crates and the most expensive Crown-only houses will be worth millions of gold. Kiosk bids, in theory, could be financed exclusively with gold obtained through Crate trades.
ESO feels less like a game and more like something along the lines of Second Life or IMVU now. It's very disappointing.
Exactly.
Sadly very few manage to see the big picture.
Combat is not the only aspect in this game.
The P2W influence the OP is talking about is linked to the game's economy, which will most certainly will be affected by the crown store gifting.
Gifting is just a filler word for this tbh0 -
DanteYoda✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭ArvenAldmeri wrote: »First of, its not pay to win. Second, its against the TOS.
Gina already said it wasn't against the ToS to sell crown items for in game gold, and yes it is p2w
How is it pay to win? what exactly do you win?Everyone seems to be missing the OP's point. He's not talking about P2W at a combat level. He's talking about the trading game in ESO. To some players, the trading game is more important than PVP or Trials.
He makes a good point. In theory, someone with a large disposable income could throw around Crown gifts to attract/butter up the top sellers and/or accumulate in-game wealth to finance kiosk bids by trading Crown gifts for gold.Ya know they still have to make the gold to spend the gold? Right now trade guilds are offering up services such as two hours of farming or fishing at auctions that sell for a lot more gold than they are probably worth. The members tend to support the guild one way or another. Offering up something from the crown store for auction probably isn't going to change how much a guild brings in each week.
Are you kidding? Bundles of Crown Crates and the most expensive Crown-only houses will be worth millions of gold. Kiosk bids, in theory, could be financed exclusively with gold obtained through Crate trades.
ESO feels less like a game and more like something along the lines of Second Life or IMVU now. It's very disappointing.
Exactly.
Sadly very few manage to see the big picture.
Combat is not the only aspect in this game.
The P2W influence the OP is talking about is linked to the game's economy, which will most certainly will be affected by the crown store gifting.
Getting lots of virtual currency in a game is still not winning.. Being fake rich is not winning..Edited by DanteYoda on June 9, 2018 12:35PM2
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