Are DK's viable in PVP at the moment?

MalakithAlamahdi · April 2018

Emothic wrote: »

I wished I never chose a DK. Should of went with a Templar or NB class. And since I only have enough time to play one class, I'm stuck with this damn DK.

Templar is really frustrating to play atm imo, and I'm a Templar main. I honestly enjoy my StamDK a lot more atm.

FloppyTouch · April 2018

No

Sylphie · April 2018

The only thing I want for my magdk is snare removal that isn't forwards or mistform and for whip to be undodgeable again.

The_Brosteen · April 2018

Rainingblood wrote: »

The_Brosteen wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

The_Brosteen wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

The_Brosteen wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Viable? Yes. If you’re a better player than your opponent then you’ll win. This game is well-enough balanced that skill trumps class choice.
But just because you can be viable on any character doesn’t mean that Stam DK is good. Many people, myself included, consider it the weakest class / spec for PvP at the moment. If you’re good you can still kill and win with it, but that same player would be even more effective on any other class.

Stam dk and mag dk are incredibly strong right now. The class synergizes well using sword and board as well as heavy armor. It has enough survivability with class passives that allow it to thrive in medium or light as well, which makes it very powerful.

I agree skill does supersede class but this class has so many useful tools at its disposal it's hard to say it's not in a good spot. Right now stam nb seems to be the flavor of the week based on the nerf threads, dks having major mending essentially cancels out defile from incap strike. So in "the current meta" dks are not only viable but very useful. Not to mention the group utility with cc's.

I strongly disagree with many of your points.
1. A heavy armor Stam DK will have to either give up the rally heal or will be snared / rooted for most fights against good players
2. Major mending is not a counter to major defile. Major vitality, damage shields, and vanish are the counters to major defile.
3. You will have serious mag sustain issues if you’re running petrify and igneous along with your other buffs on a Stam DK
4. Mag DKs have never been weaker than right now
5. The class passives are the worst in the game. They are certainly the least used of any class and they provide the least DPS increase of any class for Stam DKs.
6. A Stam DK’s only real advantages were 1. Permablocking 2. Healing received 3. Sustain. All have been nerfed significantly in the last year (befoul increase being the nerf to healing received)
7. Leap is still fun though

1. You can use dragons blood as a burst heal. I know its not as good as rally. But I've seen people make it work in order to use heavy.
2. For self healing it is a counter. Decrease healing recieved increase healing done.... To yourself. I'm sure i could be wrong about it mathmatically but don't try and tell me major mending doesnt help quite a bit.
3. I have no sustain issue on my stam dk running igneos hardened armor and fossilize.
4. Comparatively sure you can make that arguement. They're still very good though. Thats like saying sorcs are at they're worst.
5. They're passives mainly provide more tankiness. Worst in the game? I'd argue that title belongs to stam sorcs.
6. Cc ability is still there and sustain while nerfed is still goof especially paired with the right sets.
7. Absolutely

IF you truly think that stamsorc passives are the worst you shouldn't be talking about balance arguments.

The only thing stamDK outperforms stamsorc at , is healing received. For literally everything else stamsorc wins atm.

Literally everything else is not true.
Dks have better passives for blocking, resource management, resistences, crowd control, poison damage.

Stamsorcs get passives for weapon damage, cheeper ult, and an execute proc.

There are a few passives that I put 0 points into on my stamsorc because they are literally useless. I have all my passives unlocked on my stam dk. Thats mainly my point.

To clarify I think both are still in a great spot. I dont see what all the fuss is about.

I think you are basing all your opinions on tooltip info and theory, not actual play. Because if you think that DK passives help with everything you mentioned they do, you are factually mistaken. And the simple fact that you state that both stamDKs and mDKs are "still in a great spot" makes me question your advice to the OP.

So there are no dk passives that affect crowdcontrol, poison damage, resistences, resource management, and blocking?

Ok.

So note to OP, Dks are terrible and you can only sort of make it work if you're REALLY good, which few are. But even then you are greatly gimping yourself. Just uninstall.

Is that better advice?

So far what I've learned in this thread is that my builds suck, I dont know what I'm talking about, I'm factually wrong about almost everything, and only top tier players can play a dk with any success.

I'm not going to argue anymore. I'm not insanely good and I do just fine on a dk. Most bg matches I get more damage than anyone else.

So if someone who doesn't know what they are talking about, with a crap build, and average play ability can make it work you can to!

I'm out.

TheBonesXXX · April 2018

I've seen plenty of Stam DKs outshining every other class lately, every class is best equipped in a situation; put yourself in the situation where you are in control.

At this point in the MMO scene, see if you can put together a build that you enjoy and make it competitive; 2h/sb set up is just a lot less work for a whole lot of effectiveness.

I play a pressure Warden, it buzzsaws through most players which twin slashes and bloodthirst in conjuction with dual poisons and shalks, and its not even optimized still in development stage; but I tear through most players and I am not even hyperfocusing to do it (ADHD). Running medium with brass/molags/bloodspawn and a nord. Realistically heavy, orc, and bloodspawn is better (not a well optimized build, it was just what I thought of at the time cheap to get used to the set up)

I could make a pressure DK and do the same damn thing, works just fine if you play in the scenario YOU want to play in.

Don't be fooled by those who want you to see things in a certain light, because it may be a deception and misdirection.
or just spitballing/conjecture.

Kronuxx · April 2018

The_Brosteen wrote: »

Rainingblood wrote: »

The_Brosteen wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

The_Brosteen wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

The_Brosteen wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Viable? Yes. If you’re a better player than your opponent then you’ll win. This game is well-enough balanced that skill trumps class choice.
But just because you can be viable on any character doesn’t mean that Stam DK is good. Many people, myself included, consider it the weakest class / spec for PvP at the moment. If you’re good you can still kill and win with it, but that same player would be even more effective on any other class.

Stam dk and mag dk are incredibly strong right now. The class synergizes well using sword and board as well as heavy armor. It has enough survivability with class passives that allow it to thrive in medium or light as well, which makes it very powerful.

I agree skill does supersede class but this class has so many useful tools at its disposal it's hard to say it's not in a good spot. Right now stam nb seems to be the flavor of the week based on the nerf threads, dks having major mending essentially cancels out defile from incap strike. So in "the current meta" dks are not only viable but very useful. Not to mention the group utility with cc's.

I strongly disagree with many of your points.
1. A heavy armor Stam DK will have to either give up the rally heal or will be snared / rooted for most fights against good players
2. Major mending is not a counter to major defile. Major vitality, damage shields, and vanish are the counters to major defile.
3. You will have serious mag sustain issues if you’re running petrify and igneous along with your other buffs on a Stam DK
4. Mag DKs have never been weaker than right now
5. The class passives are the worst in the game. They are certainly the least used of any class and they provide the least DPS increase of any class for Stam DKs.
6. A Stam DK’s only real advantages were 1. Permablocking 2. Healing received 3. Sustain. All have been nerfed significantly in the last year (befoul increase being the nerf to healing received)
7. Leap is still fun though

1. You can use dragons blood as a burst heal. I know its not as good as rally. But I've seen people make it work in order to use heavy.
2. For self healing it is a counter. Decrease healing recieved increase healing done.... To yourself. I'm sure i could be wrong about it mathmatically but don't try and tell me major mending doesnt help quite a bit.
3. I have no sustain issue on my stam dk running igneos hardened armor and fossilize.
4. Comparatively sure you can make that arguement. They're still very good though. Thats like saying sorcs are at they're worst.
5. They're passives mainly provide more tankiness. Worst in the game? I'd argue that title belongs to stam sorcs.
6. Cc ability is still there and sustain while nerfed is still goof especially paired with the right sets.
7. Absolutely

IF you truly think that stamsorc passives are the worst you shouldn't be talking about balance arguments.

The only thing stamDK outperforms stamsorc at , is healing received. For literally everything else stamsorc wins atm.

Literally everything else is not true.
Dks have better passives for blocking, resource management, resistences, crowd control, poison damage.

Stamsorcs get passives for weapon damage, cheeper ult, and an execute proc.

There are a few passives that I put 0 points into on my stamsorc because they are literally useless. I have all my passives unlocked on my stam dk. Thats mainly my point.

To clarify I think both are still in a great spot. I dont see what all the fuss is about.

I think you are basing all your opinions on tooltip info and theory, not actual play. Because if you think that DK passives help with everything you mentioned they do, you are factually mistaken. And the simple fact that you state that both stamDKs and mDKs are "still in a great spot" makes me question your advice to the OP.

So there are no dk passives that affect crowdcontrol, poison damage, resistences, resource management, and blocking?

Ok.

So note to OP, Dks are terrible and you can only sort of make it work if you're REALLY good, which few are. But even then you are greatly gimping yourself. Just uninstall.

Is that better advice?

So far what I've learned in this thread is that my builds suck, I dont know what I'm talking about, I'm factually wrong about almost everything, and only top tier players can play a dk with any success.

I'm not going to argue anymore. I'm not insanely good and I do just fine on a dk. Most bg matches I get more damage than anyone else.

So if someone who doesn't know what they are talking about, with a crap build, and average play ability can make it work you can to!

I'm out.

Yes please be done and out. Any more drivel from you really won't benefit anyone or the DK class in general. It will only confuse the new players and ZOS' attempts at improving the class.

ak_pvp · April 2018

Sylphie wrote: »

The only thing I want for my magdk is snare removal that isn't forwards or mistform and for whip to be undodgeable again.

Suprise. You got removal. And got no immunity,

Enjoy your 0.1s of snare free life.

ChildOfLight · April 2018

Meanwhile the stamDk will get got no love nor focus in the next major patch while they are giving to Sorcs an improved version of the DK passives through Bound Armaments.

I am not a big fan of these early leaked informations, just to be kind and euphemistic.
Consequently, if these changes will get confirmed in the live server, I'll not buy the next chapter and leave the plus expire.

Ragnarock41 · April 2018

ChildOfLight wrote: »

Meanwhile the stamDk will get got no love nor focus in the next major patch while they are giving to Sorcs the DK passives through Bound Armaments.

I am not a big fan of these early leaked informations, just to be kind and euphemistic.
Consequently, if these changes will get confirmed in the live server, I'll not buy the next chapter and leave the plus expire.

sDK is officially dead in PvP now. Just reroll magicka DK. I already started working on a fresh build for my mDk.

ChildOfLight · April 2018

I just play one character and I don't think I am going to race change to suit the magikaDk. So well, whatever.

Plan for next patch is to drop every game related bill and enjoy the Cyrodill landscape with my AP-Piñata during the week-end.

That's it.

Ragnarock41 · April 2018

ChildOfLight wrote: »

I just play one character and I don't think I am going to race change to suit the magikaDk. So well, whatever.

Plan for next patch is to drop every game related bill and enjoy the Cyrodill landscape with my AP-Piñata during the week-end.

That's it.

Can't really blame ZOS for it. Most of the changes are PvE based and thats what brings them money in the end of the day.

The way I see it, Games are supposed to be fun. So If stamDk is no longer fun, why play it?

Making a new magDk and farming undaunted will only take you 2 or 3 days, a week of getting used to and you're good to go.

sinxsader · April 2018

What's better in pvp stam dk or mag dk? I'm returning after a year and would really like to know...thanks!

The_Brosteen · April 2018

sinxsader wrote: »

What's better in pvp stam dk or mag dk? I'm returning after a year and would really like to know...thanks!

read the thread, apparently the correct answer is delete your dk

sinxsader · April 2018

The_Brosteen wrote: »

sinxsader wrote: »

What's better in pvp stam dk or mag dk? I'm returning after a year and would really like to know...thanks!

read the thread, apparently the correct answer is delete your dk

Apparently but there is another thread that people are saying DKs are very powerful and there are many 1vx vids..it's very confusing lol

Durham · April 2018

Viable yes... Best in slot no....

Riggsy · April 2018

sinxsader wrote: »

What's better in pvp stam dk or mag dk? I'm returning after a year and would really like to know...thanks!

Lets see... Stam DKs almost always wear one of three sets to survive/manage resources, throw in blood spawn gear, most are likely SB/2h, and out of our twelve ability slots maybe 3 are actually class based (Leap Ulti, Volatile armor) - the rest are generic abilities every other class can access. Bottom line, you could put the same set up on a different class and get better results.

Sarjako · May 2018

I love my StamDK. I had a LOT of trouble at first coming from StamNB and MagNB. But over time I've grown to like my StamDK just as much.

Ender1310 · June 2018

Flame lash stronk. If you can survive stamden burst combo they are not so overwhelming. Basically dizzy swing dawnbreaker shalks bird. All at the same time. No really. But if you survive that there is little other pressure. Dks can put a lot of pressure on you.