I can’t 1v6 a group of Sloads wearers....

THEDKEXPERIENCE · June 2018

Follow up question, if I have an extremely powerful self heal should I be able to heal through it?

While my shield might be pointless against them I’m wondering if spamming Honor the Dead is the most simple solution for me as a Magplar?

Feanor · June 2018

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

Follow up question, if I have an extremely powerful self heal should I be able to heal through it?

While my shield might be pointless against them I’m wondering if spamming Honor the Dead is the most simple solution for me as a Magplar?

It’s a simple solution, yes. The question is how long you can actually sustain spamming HotD.

THEDKEXPERIENCE · June 2018

Feanor wrote: »

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

Follow up question, if I have an extremely powerful self heal should I be able to heal through it?

While my shield might be pointless against them I’m wondering if spamming Honor the Dead is the most simple solution for me as a Magplar?

It’s a simple solution, yes. The question is how long you can actually sustain spamming HotD.

I currently have 52k+ Magicka and heavy attack a lot. So a while? I’d much prefer to spam my shield but that’s I have my shield and heal on the same bar swap button.

Samadhi · June 2018

Vaoh wrote: »

Samadhi wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

Samadhi wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

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However, Sloads is an “Xv1” set, meaning it specializes in killing solo players based on its very functionality, while being meh in 1vX. ...

Here is a question,
Multiple players can have the Sloads DoT active on a single target
but is it even possible for a single player to have the Sloads DoT on multiple targets?

Basically a question of is this explicitly a Xv1 set; or is the functionality at least programed with group vs group play in mind

There is a single DoT. Once it is applied, there is cooldown. Therefore it is extremely powerful vs a single target, but useless for that single target vs a group of enemies. Also with the way this specific set works it reallyyyyu hurts solo players when the procs stack. Major Defile makes Oblivion Damage far more dangerous since you struggle to outheal it. A group player will get plenty of heals anyway.

If it could apply to multiple targets at the same time, it would make more sense as being designed for a group vs group scenario
if the mechanics of the DoT are explicitly that multiple can stack on a single target, but a single playhe cannot impact multiple targets
then it sounds like it may well have been designed with the intention of wiping out 1vX/at least making it more difficult with no purge

from the way you describe it tho
it is relatively well-balanced/not particularly overpowered for everything else
only particularly powerful in an Xv1 scenario

But another thing is that even in a 1v1 it is very strong.

Also I’d hate to see this become so strong literally everyone uses it and we all glow purple in PvP 24/7. I love how ZOS blames lag on armor procs but now wants us o stack as many as possible

This set truly should not exist imo. It’s horrible for the health of the game and truly impossible to balance.

Have not used it, nor encountered it (been avoiding Keep battles and sticking to Cyrodiil towns with the stutter issue before this patch)
have no frame of reference on it in 1v1 either

Am guessing that it is not the effective death sentence that a stack of multiple are?
ie: it has a maximum capacity for damage output per proc that does not typically constitute an entire player healthbar

when multiple players use it against a single target, there is no means of surviving aside from Purge tho, yes?
there is a threshold where a certain number of players stacking the DoT will completely eradicate a health bar on their own

would consider that to still be 'balanced' in 1v1, even if it is poorly implemented and not to my tastes

basically trying to figure out what the 'design philosophy' of the set could potentially be -- Shield Breaker at least has specific parameters (ie: basic weapon attacks into a damage shield)
the 'design philosophy' of Shield Breaker could be said to explicitly be countering damage shields

from the overall description, it sounds like the actual intended design of Sloads is to work against 1vX players
am not able to see a particularly practical application for general play -- not trying to claim 'oh it's not overpowered because it is bad at other things'
just reflecting on the fact that there does not seem to be any other mode of play this set could have been designed with in mind

Samadhi · June 2018

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

Follow up question, if I have an extremely powerful self heal should I be able to heal through it?

While my shield might be pointless against them I’m wondering if spamming Honor the Dead is the most simple solution for me as a Magplar?

to my comprehension, as a Magplar your best bet may be Cleansing Ritual
as it removes debuffs but is less costly than the Alliance War Purge

josiahva · June 2018

So equip Sloads yourself, get together with a group of 5 friends also wearing sloads and go back and try again. Sloads isnt the problem here, its 6v1 that is the problem, they could all be light attacking you and you wouldnt survive

mandrakethebard_ESO · June 2018

bg22 wrote: »

This is ridiculous. If 6 ppl wearing Sloads attack me at once, there’s literally nothing I can do about it because of the Sloads proc.

It killded me.

Sounds to my like this is working as intended. In fact, at first I thought you were making a joke.

Here's how I see it. What are 2 of the most obnoxious things that happen in PvP? (1) Zerg balls (2) Individual people taking on large groups and being seemingly un-killable.

How has ZOS addressed this in the Summerset update? Simple... Time Stop and Sload's Semblance. In the past couple of weeks I've seen numerous zerg balls stopped in their tracks and melted by the use of a well timed and placed Time Stop. As for Sload's, it's only really dangerous when 1 person is getting proc'd by multiple users of it, an event that only happens with any regularity in 1vX situations.

So, while it's only a matter of time before some other sort of unbalance crops up, the simple fact is that these 2 solutions are working precisely as intended and no amount of complaint on the part of those who have seen their favorite exploit hamstrung will cause them to be altered.

Cheers.

THEDKEXPERIENCE · June 2018

Just spit balling here but it seems like this set is essentially the anti-1vXer gear which can either be considered good or bad depending on your view. That said, are there any out-of-the-box solutions that could work here before it’s just nerfed into the trash bin?

For example, I use what is predominantly viewed as PVE gear in PVP and do quite well. My hypothesis was always, my best defense is a good offense so I can win a DPS race if it comes down to it against most people. Not to get on another anti-impen tirade but if this can’t crit maybe we as a group should consider alternate builds in PVP instead of just yelling nerf!

Sylosi · June 2018

Vaoh wrote: »

kikkehs wrote: »

I think it is amazing how ESO players realisticly think that they can go up against x6 and get away alive.

Yes, you could do it before; Not anymore... They dont want demi-gods running around in cyro facetanking 10 people each..
So sets like sload is nice; time too say NO to demi-gods destroying our newer players!

“demi-gods” aka good players

Good players who had fair fights when against players of the same skill level. And when those good players went up against even 2 other good players they get destroyed. That sounds great to me.

What doesn’t sound normal is if I am a new player and join the game a week ago and then hop into Cyrodiil barely knowing what a dodge roll is. However I am able to stack health/survivability sets and Sloads to create a build that actually hurts those good players and applies pressure, all while having enough survivability to avoid getting bursted and can heal up plenty. That’s sounds really bad to me.
If I was a new player who understood very little about the game, or simply a player who is extremely unskilled, and could legitimately hurt the very best players because of a sets that do the work for me while I remain a tank..... well that tells me there are fundamental issues here in the gameplay itself.

That’s my opinion on it at least And back in those times when skilled play was rewarded and you could viably play solo in Cyrodiil, there were significantly more players.

I wouldn't really call anyone good who chooses to play an uncompetitve game where more experienced players constantly face new players and call themselves "good" when they beat some newbie or some guy in zerg build that plays PvP once a week, the good players are off playing games that provide the fundamentals of skilled PvP like vaguely competent matchmaking, a high skill cap, a level playing field (none of this get carried by gear, CP, etc), dedicated balance and design, an actual competitive playerbase, etc.

BaneOfBattler · June 2018

I recently got shieldbreaker, zaan, sloads and damn it feels so good

TequilaFire · June 2018

Vaoh wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

I am disappointed, I have yet to see Sload's on my death recap on my PC NA account.
It will come I am sure.

Don’t you run in a group? I understand you’re a PS4 NA player as well and only recall ever seeing you in a group. I don’t mean this is any negative way either.

However, Sloads is an “Xv1” set, meaning it specializes in killing solo players based on its very functionality, while being meh in 1vX. So if you haven’t seen it on your death recap it would make sense based on what I know about you that you’re always in a group.

On PC I am strictly solo playing stam sorc or stamblade. Even on PS4 where my main is a magplar since my guild has evaporated I am solo most of time. What is left of use coordinate in guild chat but we rarely formally group and if so it is usually less than 8.

I don't advocate proc sets like Sload's just saying I haven't encountered it yet.
In 4 years the only proc set I have used is Skoria on my Templar to give him some hope of damage. lol

templesus · June 2018

Just another “Demi-god” here giving my 2 cents.

Previously in this game you could 1v6, even upwards of that, however as years progress and new ways of tanks being able to kill people are killing any scrap of solo play left in the game.

With Sloads, going into cyrodiil alone is a death trap, whereas before at certain times you could find pvp. It is an xv1 set in the purest sense and takes away any form of skilled gameplay away from pvp. So if you think there’s nothing wrong...we know how skilled you are.

Dreyloch · June 2018

Hope ya all know there is a thread already dedicated to this Sload's issue.

That aside, best thing ZoS could do is introduce PvP only sets. Whereas they only work in Cyrodiil or have set bonuses that do. The only downside is, the sets would most likely end up so weak, that PvP would become crazy boring and no one would be able to kill anyone. Everyone will be wearing the same set for their class, using the exact same skills. It then becomes who has more numbers at every encounter. Is this what you all want? There were crys forever about "Time to kill". You all want to go back to that?

So tell me how you retain build diversity and yet still make sets worth having that work for both solo and group play? Standing in front of a zerg or not knowing one is coming your way, is your own faults. Learn situational and surrounding area awareness, and you'll live longer. Unless your getting jumped by 6 NB's from stealth, there isn't much else ZoS can (or is willing to do) for PvP. Or, just quit the game. Because it IS in fact a GAME. Ya all get way too emo about dying like your gonna die in RL. LOL it's comical. Get past that, and you'll have a much better experience.

PvP can not be balanced for every style of play. ZoS isn't able to even balance skills for PvE VS. PvP. How they gonna balance solo vs. group play. Cyrodiil always ends up being numbers vs. numbers anyway. Regardless of who is wearing what.

Nemeliom · June 2018

Feanor wrote: »

EvilCroc wrote: »

Nobody should be able 1v6, no matter what skill he has.
Sload or not, but it sounds like a healthy situation.

He absolutely should if the 6 are light attacking potatoes. The set is in the game to make Xv1 even easier and to give all the light attacking potatoes out there a chance to feel “powerful”.

That said, it’s just one of many unbalanced setups. Fun times indeed.

How many light attacking potatoes have you met? Honestly not 1. Nobody just lights attack. Everybody knows how to use skills. If you are lvl 50 then you know how to use a skill, so don't come with ridiculous arguments.

I'm not saying Sloads is balanced, but 1v6 and winning isn't balanced as well.

THEDKEXPERIENCE · June 2018

Nemeliom wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

EvilCroc wrote: »

Nobody should be able 1v6, no matter what skill he has.
Sload or not, but it sounds like a healthy situation.

He absolutely should if the 6 are light attacking potatoes. The set is in the game to make Xv1 even easier and to give all the light attacking potatoes out there a chance to feel “powerful”.

That said, it’s just one of many unbalanced setups. Fun times indeed.

How many light attacking potatoes have you met? Honestly not 1. Nobody just lights attack. Everybody knows how to use skills. If you are lvl 50 then you know how to use a skill, so don't come with ridiculous arguments.

I'm not saying Sloads is balanced, but 1v6 and winning isn't balanced as well.

Come to console. 35% of the people there just stand around and die. This falls into the same category of “why would you use Illambris in PVP where people could move out of the way?” Simple answer ... 1 out 3 don’t.

You’d be amazed what you can get away with on console with no add-ons. It’s a whole different world.

josiahva · June 2018

templesus wrote: »

Just another “Demi-god” here giving my 2 cents.

Previously in this game you could 1v6, even upwards of that, however as years progress and new ways of tanks being able to kill people are killing any scrap of solo play left in the game.

With Sloads, going into cyrodiil alone is a death trap, whereas before at certain times you could find pvp. It is an xv1 set in the purest sense and takes away any form of skilled gameplay away from pvp. So if you think there’s nothing wrong...we know how skilled you are.

If you are skilled, you will find a way to overcome Sloads. I find all the whining about this set just amusing. I have yet to die to Sloads even once. There are hundreds of sets in this game and almost as many skills...find a counter if you are dying to this....if you truly are skilled. So you are running up against a bunch of sload users? Add another healer to your group...countered. That is just the simplest solution. Any decent healer will be able to keep their group alive through a few sloads procs. If you are trying to 1vX though...well, just face that fact that one person is no longer able to take down 8 without some imaginative gameplay. To be clear, I dont use Sloads or other proc sets and I dont intend to...but I am not going to fault others for using whatever it takes to win, the more damage is nerfed, the more people are forced to rely on procs to win, as long as the trend continues its not going to change.

THEDKEXPERIENCE · June 2018

For what it’s worth, when I made my triumphant comeback to Cyrodiil a week ago after taking a year off, I was told of the scourge of Zaan.

I’ve died to it once in a week. So yeah ... we’ll see.

ZOS_Mika · June 2018

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