Multi-core Performance Update, Improvement or Deterioration?

personman_145 · May 2018

Bevik wrote: »

ZOS_AlexTardif wrote: »

Just to update everyone, the fixes for this were not in today's patch. We wanted to give QA enough time to test them thoroughly before pushing them out. Thanks for your patience!

@ZOS_AlexTardif

Have you guys considered changing the game engine or a total overhaul which can help you in further development? At the moment it looks like you have very limited options what you can improve.

I've said the same thing. It's not like they don't have the money. Putting band-aids on it is obviously not doing the job.

zyk · May 2018

personman_145 wrote: »

Bevik wrote: »

ZOS_AlexTardif wrote: »

Just to update everyone, the fixes for this were not in today's patch. We wanted to give QA enough time to test them thoroughly before pushing them out. Thanks for your patience!

@ZOS_AlexTardif

Have you guys considered changing the game engine or a total overhaul which can help you in further development? At the moment it looks like you have very limited options what you can improve.

I've said the same thing. It's not like they don't have the money. Putting band-aids on it is obviously not doing the job.

If you look at the big picture, they have basically overhauled the engine over time. The reason performance seems stagnant is because it's doing so much more than before because of the huge expansion of art assets.

If anything, they need to slow down the rate of new development for a bit and fix bugs such as the 30-50% FPS drop bug that is still an issue for some players.

The interface is probably the worst part of the client at the moment. Especially the lack of features players consider essential (MM, Awesome Guild Store, Advanced Filters for example) and the implementation of addons that gives players the rope to hang themselves with in terms of performance.

A well-developed game doesn't let players destroy performance with addons. It's not enough to say, "use them at your own risk." It's something that needs to be addressed.

Parablodia · June 2018

"Improved multithreading usage on quad-core PCs."

Does this mean we shouldn't expect any improvements with hexa or octa-core CPU's?

profundidob16_ESO · June 2018

Parablodia wrote: »

"Improved multithreading usage on quad-core PCs."

Does this mean we shouldn't expect any improvements with hexa or octa-core CPU's?

you will feel improvement on any multicore cpu including beyond 4-cores. Right now there's still some hickup/stall/minifreeze problem that makes the experience not so fluent but that might be better or solved even after next patch. Evaluate after that patch

exiars10 · June 2018

The only good thing I noticed after patch is no more RAM leakage at least in my case and that's it.
Cyrodiil is (much) worse and PvE performance (outside famous micro-stutter) is same except I see all 4 cores used.

danno8 · June 2018

exiars10 wrote: »

The only good thing I noticed after patch is no more RAM leakage at least in my case and that's it.
Cyrodiil is (much) worse and PvE performance (outside famous micro-stutter) is same except I see all 4 cores used.

The thing about an mmo is even if it does improve FPS, it's really hard to tell because it's really hard to objectively test since the main cause of FPS dips is other players around you.

If the FPS improved by 2 FPS would you really even be able to tell in this game? It's not like you can load up the benchmark test that so many single player games come packaged with these days.

I think this is probably the case with most people who see no difference. It's just such a small difference it's basically unnoticeable. Then you add in the fact that the game has had a spike in players, especially in the new zones, and people will be like "performance is even worse!!"

CiliPadi · June 2018

ZOS_AlexTardif wrote: »

Just to update everyone, the fixes for this were not in today's patch. We wanted to give QA enough time to test them thoroughly before pushing them out. Thanks for your patience!

So I take it today's patch 4.0.8 will include the fixes. So we should revert the config back to:

SET MaxCoresToUse.4 "-1"
SET RequestedNumJobThreads "-1"
SET RequestedNumWorkerThreads "-1"

Which are the defaults, correct?

Minyassa · June 2018

Bad, very degraded performance. Lots of screen freezes and stuttering where before I never saw even the slightest hint of it and everything was perfectly smooth.

profundidob16_ESO · June 2018

CiliPadi wrote: »

ZOS_AlexTardif wrote: »

Just to update everyone, the fixes for this were not in today's patch. We wanted to give QA enough time to test them thoroughly before pushing them out. Thanks for your patience!

So I take it today's patch 4.0.8 will include the fixes. So we should revert the config back to:

SET MaxCoresToUse.4 "-1"
SET RequestedNumJobThreads "-1"
SET RequestedNumWorkerThreads "-1"

Which are the defaults, correct?

yes I believe they are. It's also possible the devs tweak or change values even more this patch. For instance they could conclude that using ALL cores on a 12-core I7 (=24hyperthreaded) mesh structured cpu is actually counterproductive and therefore limit the default value to something like "8" or "6".

In any case you can close the game, rename the existing file and start the game after patch and you will see the current/new default values in that file being generated by the game. Not happy with them ? close the game and swap back to the renamed file

Octopuss · June 2018

I've just logged in and it doesn't appear that anything changed. I get humongous system lag during character loading (this was gone on PTS), and game is stuttering like crazy too.

exiars10 · June 2018

Performance

Reduced the large FPS dips when moving into areas with many characters.

They fixed... something.
I'll report later when I play it.

Slayer62 · June 2018

the problem is still continuing. maybe a bit less

W0lf_z13 · June 2018

ive been getting quite a bit of VERY short freezes where i just stop moving for a second ... also random quick load screens that just flash the load screen image
....
running...
i7 4790k
Maximus Hero VII
16gb ram
gtx 970

Rawkan · June 2018

I've actually had significant improvements after Summerset. Game is utilizing more cores so my overall CPU temps are down.
Remember to reset the config changes you might've added before as shown above in this thread.

My only issue is seemingly random 100-0 fps drop that goes on for like half a second. Don't know what that is about.

Aleris · June 2018

no freezes so far

Sicsoo · June 2018

i've put back -1 to Worker and Job threads, did some run back and forth in Wayrest with a lot of ppl, freezes are gone. fps were totally fine.

Silent84 · June 2018

I test it on dolmen Alik'r, no more freezes, and the fps are the same before summerset.

MinarasLaure · June 2018

So microfreezes are gone for good?

dovakiin5574 · June 2018

i7 7700k
1080TI
32 GB of DDR4 3200 mhz
m.2 SSD

WORSE

Used to get over 100 fps on ultra no matter where I was, even in trials, even in Maw of Lorecrash (joke)

Now? I'm lucky if I get over 60 fps on ultra and yes everything is updated drivers bios etc

HanzeeBokeem · June 2018

Much better for me today since the patch, a lot less stuttering ... I never have the FPS thing switched on so no idea, I prefer pretty with everything on max including the water reflections

profundidob16_ESO · June 2018

dovakiin5574 wrote: »

i7 7700k
1080TI
32 GB of DDR4 3200 mhz
m.2 SSD

WORSE

Used to get over 100 fps on ultra no matter where I was, even in trials, even in Maw of Lorecrash (joke)

Now? I'm lucky if I get over 60 fps on ultra and yes everything is updated drivers bios etc

close the game completely down, then delete ( or rename) the usersettings.txt file and start the game again

profundidob16_ESO · June 2018

W0lf_z13 wrote: »

ive been getting quite a bit of VERY short freezes where i just stop moving for a second ... also random quick load screens that just flash the load screen image
....
running...
i7 4790k
Maximus Hero VII
16gb ram
gtx 970

close the game completely down, then delete ( or rename) the usersettings.txt file and start the game again

profundidob16_ESO · June 2018

Octopuss wrote: »

I've just logged in and it doesn't appear that anything changed. I get humongous system lag during character loading (this was gone on PTS), and game is stuttering like crazy too.

close the game completely down, then delete ( or rename) the usersettings.txt file and start the game again

just like the other people before it sounds like you still have some old setting in there that is not adapted correctly. Starting with a clean slate now after patch will cut it out

dovakiin5574 · June 2018

profundidob16_ESO wrote: »

dovakiin5574 wrote: »

i7 7700k
1080TI
32 GB of DDR4 3200 mhz
m.2 SSD

WORSE

Used to get over 100 fps on ultra no matter where I was, even in trials, even in Maw of Lorecrash (joke)

Now? I'm lucky if I get over 60 fps on ultra and yes everything is updated drivers bios etc

close the game completely down, then delete ( or rename) the usersettings.txt file and start the game again

I did that and I got a 2-4 FPS increase.............

CiliPadi · June 2018

Tested after the patch. Ran around in Vivec city, no FPS drops or microstutter. Ran some daily dungeons, smooth as silk. I did reset the following usersettings.txt to defaults:

SET MaxCoresToUse.4 "-1"
SET RequestedNumJobThreads "-1"
SET RequestedNumWorkerThreads "-1"

Seems good so far. Will try again tomorrow when more people are around

DieAlteHexe · June 2018

@profundidob16_ESO

Just wanted to thank you for all the explanations and things to try. I've managed to improve things quite a bit following your instructions.

So...thank you.

profundidob16_ESO · June 2018

dovakiin5574 wrote: »

profundidob16_ESO wrote: »

dovakiin5574 wrote: »

i7 7700k
1080TI
32 GB of DDR4 3200 mhz
m.2 SSD

WORSE

Used to get over 100 fps on ultra no matter where I was, even in trials, even in Maw of Lorecrash (joke)

Now? I'm lucky if I get over 60 fps on ultra and yes everything is updated drivers bios etc

close the game completely down, then delete ( or rename) the usersettings.txt file and start the game again

I did that and I got a 2-4 FPS increase.............

sorry to hear that mate. You have basically the best setup available. You could try running it like before summer set on mainly 1 core by changing the default value for workers from "-1" to "1" (while the game is closed) and see if that helps your fps. Worth a try and if it doesn't help just revert that settings immediately to it's previous value

Besides that I can tell you out of the top of my head how you can seriously boost your fps permanently for sure (like 20-40% gain) without losing huge on graphical detail even with the post summerset changes:

1. overlock your 3.2Ghz permanently to as close to 5GHz as your cpu cooler and hardware allows (disable intel speedstep in bios, select max performance power profile in windows)
2. In ESO settings set view distance to 70 or 60 instead of 100 if that's acceptable for you
3. In ESO settings set water reflections to 'low'

I hope any of this can help you. If not I apologise for wasting 2min of your life =P

killmove · June 2018

I made a video about ESO performance at summerset launch. Will test the improvement after the patch.

https://youtu.be/oOXnTITvk0w

jcaceresw · June 2018

Octopuss wrote: »

I've just logged in and it doesn't appear that anything changed. I get humongous system lag during character loading (this was gone on PTS), and game is stuttering like crazy too.

Those dreadful long loading screens takes around 3-5 minutes to clear up everytime I use a wayshrine even on the same map. I lose half the time of a 150% xp potion in just loading screens. This is awful.

W0lf_z13 · June 2018

profundidob16_ESO wrote: »

W0lf_z13 wrote: »

ive been getting quite a bit of VERY short freezes where i just stop moving for a second ... also random quick load screens that just flash the load screen image
....
running...
i7 4790k
Maximus Hero VII
16gb ram
gtx 970

close the game completely down, then delete ( or rename) the usersettings.txt file and start the game again

oh it happens on a regular basis ... even after ive had the computer fully off for 14 hours