Wow Magsorcs are really this game's easy mode

exiars10 · June 2018

Do you know what Alcast said in today's stream (actually yesterday as is technically Monday) to his viewers?
Better not to type

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And of course he commented that uploaded BGs video* and that famous Sorcerer ability how is balanced.

*I watched live stream and wrote in his thread about it. I agree with @JPcrazysquirrel3 and his analysis.

Kikke · June 2018

JPcrazysquirrel3 wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Then enlighten us what you tried to achieve with your sassy "Found a Sorc main!" . Besides undermining the pov of players that don't jump the band wagon to bash sorcs. Which btw seems to be a trademark of many noobs in this forum.

Did he exaggerated in his post? Yes, he did. Does he still have a point? Yes, he does.
Was it alcast who cleared the new trail on vet hm with 7 magblades and 1 sorc in the group?

Is the floor higher on a magsorc (especially w/ pets) than on a magblade? Seems so, but the change to Grim Focus made it a lot easier for NBs.
Does the floor mean anything except for complete beginners to the class? No. The ceiling is far more imporant.

I'm far from a noob. And sorcs are definitely the strongest class in the game ability-wise. I agree with @gnarlyvandal , in that Sorcs are squishier than NBs, because Sorcs typically go all out damage, whereas NBs have more survivability with their abilities to steal health.

Also, @pieratsos has it right too. Don't really see "wrecking faces", more like just sitting back and using CCs and an overpowered execute to steal kills from the rest of his group members.

Tbqh, Sorcs as is should be the standard for balancing other classes. If they were brought up to the level of utility and flexibility Sorcs have, this game would probably be better balanced, class-wise.

I'm not bashing Sorcs by stating the fact that they are currently and have been for quite some time, the overall best class in the game. @kikkehs remark, on the otherhand was blatantly bashing a class, and if you're too blind to see that, then perhaps you hold some class prejudice as well.

So telling the truth about a class is bashing a class. Cool! All of you can stop bashing magsorcs then, as you obviously have no clue what your talking about.

as said, as a new player: Magblade > Magsorc
as a decent player: Magblade > Magsorc
as a veteran player: Magblade > Magsorc

The ONLY specc that can be considered 'easy' is double pet builds, but who are you kidding? you wont raid with that!
And there are a few posts on the forum allready from all the 'new' players that got told to role a magsorc for easy life complaining about low DPS, low survivability, lack of controlled healing and tons more. But HEY! keep up your #Magsorc2Eze trend. as it only makes more crap players roll sorc, then complaining that the sorc is weak. So soon I bet magsorcs will be the new fotm again and take the reins of the magblade.

JPcrazysquirrel3 · June 2018

kikkehs wrote: »

JPcrazysquirrel3 wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Then enlighten us what you tried to achieve with your sassy "Found a Sorc main!" . Besides undermining the pov of players that don't jump the band wagon to bash sorcs. Which btw seems to be a trademark of many noobs in this forum.

Did he exaggerated in his post? Yes, he did. Does he still have a point? Yes, he does.
Was it alcast who cleared the new trail on vet hm with 7 magblades and 1 sorc in the group?

Is the floor higher on a magsorc (especially w/ pets) than on a magblade? Seems so, but the change to Grim Focus made it a lot easier for NBs.
Does the floor mean anything except for complete beginners to the class? No. The ceiling is far more imporant.

I'm far from a noob. And sorcs are definitely the strongest class in the game ability-wise. I agree with @gnarlyvandal , in that Sorcs are squishier than NBs, because Sorcs typically go all out damage, whereas NBs have more survivability with their abilities to steal health.

Also, @pieratsos has it right too. Don't really see "wrecking faces", more like just sitting back and using CCs and an overpowered execute to steal kills from the rest of his group members.

Tbqh, Sorcs as is should be the standard for balancing other classes. If they were brought up to the level of utility and flexibility Sorcs have, this game would probably be better balanced, class-wise.

I'm not bashing Sorcs by stating the fact that they are currently and have been for quite some time, the overall best class in the game. @kikkehs remark, on the otherhand was blatantly bashing a class, and if you're too blind to see that, then perhaps you hold some class prejudice as well.

So telling the truth about a class is bashing a class. Cool! All of you can stop bashing magsorcs then, as you obviously have no clue what your talking about.

as said, as a new player: Magblade > Magsorc
as a decent player: Magblade > Magsorc
as a veteran player: Magblade > Magsorc

The ONLY specc that can be considered 'easy' is double pet builds, but who are you kidding? you wont raid with that!
And there are a few posts on the forum allready from all the 'new' players that got told to role a magsorc for easy life complaining about low DPS, low survivability, lack of controlled healing and tons more. But HEY! keep up your #Magsorc2Eze trend. as it only makes more crap players roll sorc, then complaining that the sorc is weak. So soon I bet magsorcs will be the new fotm again and take the reins of the magblade.

headdesk

Since you're apparently as brain-dead to facts as this other dude that all of us had to put up with in another, non-related thread, it is probably for the best that I, along with everyone else acting more sensibly in this thread, stop giving you anymore attention.

Chilly-McFreeze · June 2018

JPcrazysquirrel3 wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Then enlighten us what you tried to achieve with your sassy "Found a Sorc main!" . Besides undermining the pov of players that don't jump the band wagon to bash sorcs. Which btw seems to be a trademark of many noobs in this forum.

Did he exaggerated in his post? Yes, he did. Does he still have a point? Yes, he does.
Was it alcast who cleared the new trail on vet hm with 7 magblades and 1 sorc in the group?

Is the floor higher on a magsorc (especially w/ pets) than on a magblade? Seems so, but the change to Grim Focus made it a lot easier for NBs.
Does the floor mean anything except for complete beginners to the class? No. The ceiling is far more imporant.

I'm far from a noob. And sorcs are definitely the strongest class in the game ability-wise. I agree with @gnarlyvandal , in that Sorcs are squishier than NBs, because Sorcs typically go all out damage, whereas NBs have more survivability with their abilities to steal health.

Also, @pieratsos has it right too. Don't really see "wrecking faces", more like just sitting back and using CCs and an overpowered execute to steal kills from the rest of his group members.

Tbqh, Sorcs as is should be the standard for balancing other classes. If they were brought up to the level of utility and flexibility Sorcs have, this game would probably be better balanced, class-wise.

I'm not bashing Sorcs by stating the fact that they are currently and have been for quite some time, the overall best class in the game. @kikkehs remark, on the otherhand was blatantly bashing a class, and if you're too blind to see that, then perhaps you hold some class prejudice as well.

Sorry, but I just can't agree on this. Flexibility? Where? How many different options do sorcs have? Where are those heavy armor magsorcs? Where are those melee magsorcs? Where are those magsorcs that survive via other means than wards? Compared to e.g. a nightblades option sorcs are very limited. NBs have flexibility: light or heavy armor. Melee or ranged. Brawl or gank. Plus a *** of sets and bar setups to choose from. Pretty much every sorc looks the same. Master Destro + Reach or Rune Cage, light armor, at least one sustain set, destro+resto, wards. Almost like carbon copies.

I think NBs should be the bar for power, utility and flexibility. Not one useless or bad passive, different ways to play, powerful class abilities that are filled up via guild/weapon skills. Not the other way around like e.g. stam sorcs have to do, which ironically also can't make good of half of their own class passives.

mocap · June 2018

no magplar love? You can Sweep an entire game blindfolded.

nnargun · June 2018

kikkehs wrote: »

JPcrazysquirrel3 wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Then enlighten us what you tried to achieve with your sassy "Found a Sorc main!" . Besides undermining the pov of players that don't jump the band wagon to bash sorcs. Which btw seems to be a trademark of many noobs in this forum.

Did he exaggerated in his post? Yes, he did. Does he still have a point? Yes, he does.
Was it alcast who cleared the new trail on vet hm with 7 magblades and 1 sorc in the group?

Is the floor higher on a magsorc (especially w/ pets) than on a magblade? Seems so, but the change to Grim Focus made it a lot easier for NBs.
Does the floor mean anything except for complete beginners to the class? No. The ceiling is far more imporant.

I'm far from a noob. And sorcs are definitely the strongest class in the game ability-wise. I agree with @gnarlyvandal , in that Sorcs are squishier than NBs, because Sorcs typically go all out damage, whereas NBs have more survivability with their abilities to steal health.

Also, @pieratsos has it right too. Don't really see "wrecking faces", more like just sitting back and using CCs and an overpowered execute to steal kills from the rest of his group members.

Tbqh, Sorcs as is should be the standard for balancing other classes. If they were brought up to the level of utility and flexibility Sorcs have, this game would probably be better balanced, class-wise.

I'm not bashing Sorcs by stating the fact that they are currently and have been for quite some time, the overall best class in the game. @kikkehs remark, on the otherhand was blatantly bashing a class, and if you're too blind to see that, then perhaps you hold some class prejudice as well.

So telling the truth about a class is bashing a class. Cool! All of you can stop bashing magsorcs then, as you obviously have no clue what your talking about.

as said, as a new player: Magblade > Magsorc
as a decent player: Magblade > Magsorc
as a veteran player: Magblade > Magsorc

The ONLY specc that can be considered 'easy' is double pet builds, but who are you kidding? you wont raid with that!
And there are a few posts on the forum allready from all the 'new' players that got told to role a magsorc for easy life complaining about low DPS, low survivability, lack of controlled healing and tons more. But HEY! keep up your #Magsorc2Eze trend. as it only makes more crap players roll sorc, then complaining that the sorc is weak. So soon I bet magsorcs will be the new fotm again and take the reins of the magblade.

Magsorc with one pet and double HA rota breaks 40k DPS easy, has absolutely no sustain issues and is basically unkillable. The only thing magblade is better at is single target DPS and what makes them preferable for trials is that they reach those numbers without the annoying pets. I do in fact see magblade as the veteran version of magsorc. Less survivability, less strong in trash fights, better for single target and trials.

edit: I mean I didn't even know what tab target was before I rolled a magblade. With magsorc you just kill everything at the same time by vaguely firing in the right direction.

Vahrokh · June 2018

nnargun wrote: »

kikkehs wrote: »

JPcrazysquirrel3 wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Then enlighten us what you tried to achieve with your sassy "Found a Sorc main!" . Besides undermining the pov of players that don't jump the band wagon to bash sorcs. Which btw seems to be a trademark of many noobs in this forum.

Did he exaggerated in his post? Yes, he did. Does he still have a point? Yes, he does.
Was it alcast who cleared the new trail on vet hm with 7 magblades and 1 sorc in the group?

Is the floor higher on a magsorc (especially w/ pets) than on a magblade? Seems so, but the change to Grim Focus made it a lot easier for NBs.
Does the floor mean anything except for complete beginners to the class? No. The ceiling is far more imporant.

I'm far from a noob. And sorcs are definitely the strongest class in the game ability-wise. I agree with @gnarlyvandal , in that Sorcs are squishier than NBs, because Sorcs typically go all out damage, whereas NBs have more survivability with their abilities to steal health.

Also, @pieratsos has it right too. Don't really see "wrecking faces", more like just sitting back and using CCs and an overpowered execute to steal kills from the rest of his group members.

Tbqh, Sorcs as is should be the standard for balancing other classes. If they were brought up to the level of utility and flexibility Sorcs have, this game would probably be better balanced, class-wise.

I'm not bashing Sorcs by stating the fact that they are currently and have been for quite some time, the overall best class in the game. @kikkehs remark, on the otherhand was blatantly bashing a class, and if you're too blind to see that, then perhaps you hold some class prejudice as well.

So telling the truth about a class is bashing a class. Cool! All of you can stop bashing magsorcs then, as you obviously have no clue what your talking about.

as said, as a new player: Magblade > Magsorc
as a decent player: Magblade > Magsorc
as a veteran player: Magblade > Magsorc

The ONLY specc that can be considered 'easy' is double pet builds, but who are you kidding? you wont raid with that!
And there are a few posts on the forum allready from all the 'new' players that got told to role a magsorc for easy life complaining about low DPS, low survivability, lack of controlled healing and tons more. But HEY! keep up your #Magsorc2Eze trend. as it only makes more crap players roll sorc, then complaining that the sorc is weak. So soon I bet magsorcs will be the new fotm again and take the reins of the magblade.

Magsorc with one pet and double HA rota breaks 40k DPS easy, has absolutely no sustain issues and is basically unkillable. The only thing magblade is better at is single target DPS and what makes them preferable for trials is that they reach those numbers without the annoying pets. I do in fact see magblade as the veteran version of magsorc. Less survivability, less strong in trash fights, better for single target and trials.

edit: I mean I didn't even know what tab target was before I rolled a magblade. With magsorc you just kill everything at the same time by vaguely firing in the right direction.

Besides the tiny detail where pet sorc usually has to not use pets where it matters (last boss fights), could you please point me a video of this "double HA rota breaks 40k DPS easy"?

Also, considering magblade can break 50-60k, why would anyone want to take more than 1 sorc in any content?

Why world first Cloudrest clear involved ALL NBs except 1 sorc and not vice-versa? 1 sorc taken for the buffs, certainly not for the DPS! If sorcs are the ultimate class, shouldn't it be the contrary?

Last but not least, speaking of "trials survivability", magblades come with self healing embedded in their "rotation", whereas sorcs have exactly ZERO healing. Only ability that brings in healing and that is usually employed is Power Surge. It's used in 4 men and other low level content that does not matter.

nnargun · June 2018

Vahrokh wrote: »

nnargun wrote: »

kikkehs wrote: »

JPcrazysquirrel3 wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Then enlighten us what you tried to achieve with your sassy "Found a Sorc main!" . Besides undermining the pov of players that don't jump the band wagon to bash sorcs. Which btw seems to be a trademark of many noobs in this forum.

Did he exaggerated in his post? Yes, he did. Does he still have a point? Yes, he does.
Was it alcast who cleared the new trail on vet hm with 7 magblades and 1 sorc in the group?

Is the floor higher on a magsorc (especially w/ pets) than on a magblade? Seems so, but the change to Grim Focus made it a lot easier for NBs.
Does the floor mean anything except for complete beginners to the class? No. The ceiling is far more imporant.

I'm far from a noob. And sorcs are definitely the strongest class in the game ability-wise. I agree with @gnarlyvandal , in that Sorcs are squishier than NBs, because Sorcs typically go all out damage, whereas NBs have more survivability with their abilities to steal health.

Also, @pieratsos has it right too. Don't really see "wrecking faces", more like just sitting back and using CCs and an overpowered execute to steal kills from the rest of his group members.

Tbqh, Sorcs as is should be the standard for balancing other classes. If they were brought up to the level of utility and flexibility Sorcs have, this game would probably be better balanced, class-wise.

I'm not bashing Sorcs by stating the fact that they are currently and have been for quite some time, the overall best class in the game. @kikkehs remark, on the otherhand was blatantly bashing a class, and if you're too blind to see that, then perhaps you hold some class prejudice as well.

So telling the truth about a class is bashing a class. Cool! All of you can stop bashing magsorcs then, as you obviously have no clue what your talking about.

as said, as a new player: Magblade > Magsorc
as a decent player: Magblade > Magsorc
as a veteran player: Magblade > Magsorc

The ONLY specc that can be considered 'easy' is double pet builds, but who are you kidding? you wont raid with that!
And there are a few posts on the forum allready from all the 'new' players that got told to role a magsorc for easy life complaining about low DPS, low survivability, lack of controlled healing and tons more. But HEY! keep up your #Magsorc2Eze trend. as it only makes more crap players roll sorc, then complaining that the sorc is weak. So soon I bet magsorcs will be the new fotm again and take the reins of the magblade.

Magsorc with one pet and double HA rota breaks 40k DPS easy, has absolutely no sustain issues and is basically unkillable. The only thing magblade is better at is single target DPS and what makes them preferable for trials is that they reach those numbers without the annoying pets. I do in fact see magblade as the veteran version of magsorc. Less survivability, less strong in trash fights, better for single target and trials.

edit: I mean I didn't even know what tab target was before I rolled a magblade. With magsorc you just kill everything at the same time by vaguely firing in the right direction.

Besides the tiny detail where pet sorc usually has to not use pets where it matters (last boss fights), could you please point me a video of this "double HA rota breaks 40k DPS easy"?

Also, considering magblade can break 50-60k, why would anyone want to take more than 1 sorc in any content?

Why world first Cloudrest clear involved ALL NBs except 1 sorc and not vice-versa? 1 sorc taken for the buffs, certainly not for the DPS! If sorcs are the ultimate class, shouldn't it be the contrary?

Last but not least, speaking of "trials survivability", magblades come with self healing embedded in their "rotation", whereas sorcs have exactly ZERO healing. Only ability that brings in healing and that is usually employed is Power Surge. It's used in 4 men and other low level content that does not matter.

No, I won't upload a video. You can have this as proof instead, only thing I get access to on my work pc. I have only 618 CP at that point so I'm absolutely comfortable saying I will break 40k easily at cap. 90% of my parses are 39k-40k already.

I did agree that magblades were better for trials though, didn't I? That's why I rolled one myself to play instead of magsorc^^

And the selfheal of magblade is not that great when using elemental weapon instead of swallow soul. Rather take a shield that's double the size.

edit: actually I wonder...did you even read my previous post? It certainly doesn't look like it. For instance, I specifically say that one big benefit of magblade is that they reach the numbers WITHOUT the annoying pets. Then you tell me how magsorcs have to disbale their pets at many bosses in trials. Eingh? I rolled a magblade solely for the purpose of being able to run trials with my progression guild because nobody likes petsorcs in competetive environment. Hence, I also stated that I thought magblade was the veteran version of magsorc. It is clearly better in certain situations, but not for the average joe running vet non-dlc dungeons.

gnarlyvandal · June 2018

I’m not quite sure how Sorcs are the best class in the game tbh. I’m not saying they’re bad in any way; I love my magsorc and regularly solo group dungeons to farm out gear. I get how the pets can make soloing content easier for new players, but my magblade has more self buffs and doesn’t have to rely on the ugliest looking npc (the pets) to do damage. To explain: I’m hitting roughly 25k dps at cp500, I lose 2-3k dps if I don’t slot volatile familiar

Magblade has the same amount of aoes, doesn’t need to slot 2 abilities for a self heal, siphoning strikes doubles as a heal and resource restore.
With the psijic skill line they also have a double merciless proc in the form of spell orb; granted the Sorc also has access to this too

Also, one thing that I really haven’t seen mentioned in all of these class comparisons for eso that is always apparent for other games; different classes are designed for different play styles.

‘Mages’ tend to be great at aoe dmg-ing groups of mobs, ‘rogues’ tend to be great at single target dmg, ‘tanks’ tend to have lower dmg but greater survivability and gap closers, ‘healers’ tend to sit back and group buff with the odd dmg here and there. From what I can see, eso is no different; yes any class can play as they like and in the overland for story content you’re not gimped in any way, but to be competitive in vet or against other players, this seems to be the comparison I’m seeing people complain about. It’s normal for these differences though right?

Xarc · June 2018

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

I played all classes magicka and stamina all geared up and end game content. The last class I got to unfortunately was the Magsorc and boy have I been missing out.

Not only is they damage insane and have access to almost all utilities, but they are also so durable with shields and can self heal just by doing damage.

I got the easiest no deaths runs yet and can so easily carry my teams.

Yeah mageblades can so more damage, but they are not as relaxing and carefree as Magsorcs

welcome to teso

Kikke · June 2018

so we all agree that magNB > magSorc? awesome!

Sergykid · June 2018

gnarlyvandal wrote: »

‘Mages’ tend to be great at aoe dmg-ing groups of mobs, ‘rogues’ tend to be great at single target dmg, ‘tanks’ tend to have lower dmg but greater survivability and gap closers, ‘healers’ tend to sit back and group buff with the odd dmg here and there. From what I can see, eso is no different; yes any class can play as they like and in the overland for story content you’re not gimped in any way, but to be competitive in vet or against other players, this seems to be the comparison I’m seeing people complain about. It’s normal for these differences though right?

wrong. Tanks can deal very high amounts of damage while taking little, healers the same. This game is very unbalanced when it comes to defense offense ratio. If u're 100% damage you have 0% defense. If you're 75% damage you have 50% defense. Same for heal.

nnargun · June 2018

kikkehs wrote: »

so we all agree that magNB > magSorc? awesome!

Don't agree, no. I say it depends.

Oreyn_Bearclaw · June 2018

Sorcs are the easiest way to learn end game. They do 90% of the damage of nightblade with 50% of the effort. That said, sorcs don’t have great utility and are generally a poor choice against good players.

If your goal is to slaughter pugs and clear content the first time, admittedly, they are hard to beat. If you are looking to break leaderboards and take on the best players, look elsewhere.

Sevn · June 2018

NB haters defending sorcs, should have known sorc was their main.
NerfSorcs.

Astrid · June 2018

Buff Sorc

NyassaV · June 2018

themaddaedra wrote: »

All i see here is you being quite ignorant about the subject. There's basically no difference in magicka classes except for magblades having a trouble rotation, but they already get paid by insane damage so there's no point in it.

Everyone around like petsorc easy, petsorc easy well be my guess try to play petsorc in endgame content. First, nobody will want you, really. Everyone will try to stop you playing pet build. Then you can't use pets on Mage, Warrior, Serpent, Saint Olms due to mechanics. Not even counting bosses where you can play pets but they keep dying anyway. There are so few bosses where you can actually play petsorc, but even for those it's not viable because 2 heavy attacks in a rotation is not easy as you all think. Try to move and avoid stuff while doing that rotation precisely. That build is losing huge time on mobility.
Also there's this point that you don't have a spammable on that build. So changing focus is a huge problem. Let's say you are fighting Pinaccle Factotum and there's a conduit to kill. You will either do heavy attack on it or ignore it. Heavy attacking on a target makes your pets change target. And those targets just die even before your pet arrives so all you do is lose quite some damage on boss. Same happens on Commitee and Varlaiel all the time.

I played -i believe- every possible combination for pet builds and if you think it's easy mode just be my guess. It's more like calling petsorc easy is the easy mode these days.

For non-pet sorc, -i also played almost all possible non-pet combinations- i don't know how different it is from magplar or magdk.

Only thing i could agree is magblades having a harder rotation than others, but it only matters till you get used to it tbh. And you deal more damage than others once you do it, so fair enough imo.

No...

Rune Cage

That's it

thankyourat · June 2018

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Sorcs are the easiest way to learn end game. They do 90% of the damage of nightblade with 50% of the effort. That said, sorcs don’t have great utility and are generally a poor choice against good players.

If your goal is to slaughter pugs and clear content the first time, admittedly, they are hard to beat. If you are looking to break leaderboards and take on the best players, look elsewhere.

I disagree mag sorc isn't that bad 1v1 in open world PvP, and if you are looking for a duo partner it's probably second to only mag warden. It's a great class vs good players as well. The only place it really struggle is against stamina players who build dedicated heavy armor dueling builds. You rarely see these type of builds in cyrodiil though. So if I was planning on winning a dueling tournament yes I would look elsewhere, but if I'm going into cyrodiil mag sorc is hard to beat

Chilly-McFreeze · June 2018

NyassaV wrote: »

themaddaedra wrote: »

All i see here is you being quite ignorant about the subject. There's basically no difference in magicka classes except for magblades having a trouble rotation, but they already get paid by insane damage so there's no point in it.

Everyone around like petsorc easy, petsorc easy well be my guess try to play petsorc in endgame content. First, nobody will want you, really. Everyone will try to stop you playing pet build. Then you can't use pets on Mage, Warrior, Serpent, Saint Olms due to mechanics. Not even counting bosses where you can play pets but they keep dying anyway. There are so few bosses where you can actually play petsorc, but even for those it's not viable because 2 heavy attacks in a rotation is not easy as you all think. Try to move and avoid stuff while doing that rotation precisely. That build is losing huge time on mobility.
Also there's this point that you don't have a spammable on that build. So changing focus is a huge problem. Let's say you are fighting Pinaccle Factotum and there's a conduit to kill. You will either do heavy attack on it or ignore it. Heavy attacking on a target makes your pets change target. And those targets just die even before your pet arrives so all you do is lose quite some damage on boss. Same happens on Commitee and Varlaiel all the time.

I played -i believe- every possible combination for pet builds and if you think it's easy mode just be my guess. It's more like calling petsorc easy is the easy mode these days.

For non-pet sorc, -i also played almost all possible non-pet combinations- i don't know how different it is from magplar or magdk.

Only thing i could agree is magblades having a harder rotation than others, but it only matters till you get used to it tbh. And you deal more damage than others once you do it, so fair enough imo.

No...

Rune Cage

That's it

Is this still about PvE?

Feanor · June 2018

Sevn wrote: »

NB haters defending sorcs, should have known sorc was their main.
NerfSorcs.

No, not hating NB. Just loving Sorc and wishing the class would get an overhaul with the additions to the toolkit that it needs.

Qbiken · June 2018

Daus wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

Nyladreas wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

What’s easy mode is the amount of bad players around. Nothing to do with Sorc really.

10/10 would chuckle again ...

As an example... Compare vMA as stamblade vs vMA as magsorc and share the results... I'll wait

Stamblade laughing how some other class has it easy?

If you think the stamblade's rotation is easy mode then your bias has completely blinded you beyond credibility. You yourself have admitted that you don't play as a stamblade so maybe you should avoid critiquing a class you're ignorant about.

* creates nightblade
* check some youtube video on rotations + ask some people about theirs
* practice rotation for 1-2 hours
* rotation learned.

No offense, but this "nightblade got complex rotation" is simply not true anymore. Sure it depends on what you compare it with, but it´s not that difficult to learn.

Septimus_Magna · June 2018

You forgot to mention why mag sorcs are so easy to play.
The amount of things you need to manage is absolutely minimal due to the lack of useful skills in PVE.

Liquid Lightning, strong AOE dot with the smallest radius in the game.
Cfrags which is cluncky to weave with and deals mediocre dmg.
Mages Fury, strong PVP execute which is not that strong in PVE.
Volatile Familiar, strong AOE pulse that needs to be double slotted on both bars (not usable in all fights).
Hardened Ward, a slightly better dmg shield than Harness (only needed reactively).

I am the last one to deny that sorcs are hard to play but thats not because the skills are so overpowered.
Especially pet sorcs with heavy attack rotations are easy to break 30k dps with and sustain isnt an issue either.
When you get to the 35k dps point it is very hard to find improvement.
To put this in context, with a magblade you quickly get to 35k dps with a messy rotation.

HEXENWOLF · June 2018

/popcorn

This is quite an entertaining/informative read.

So let's say I have a magicka sorcerer and I'm wondering how much greener this "nightblade" grass is. I mean, I hate, hate, hate sorcerer pets and I'm not particularly keen on being a glass cannon. Can nightblades also solo content with ease? Will I find it every bit as rewarding if I only plan on playing trials on a more casual basis? Is AOE noticeably lesser than a sorcerer?

I came to a sorcerer thread and am asking nightblade questions. Have I been incepted?

nnargun · June 2018

HEXENWOLF wrote: »

/popcorn

This is quite an entertaining/informative read.

So let's say I have a magicka sorcerer and I'm wondering how much greener this "nightblade" grass is. I mean, I hate, hate, hate sorcerer pets and I'm not particularly keen on being a glass cannon. Can nightblades also solo content with ease? Will I find it every bit as rewarding if I only plan on playing trials on a more casual basis? Is AOE noticeably lesser than a sorcerer?

I came to a sorcerer thread and am asking nightblade questions. Have I been incepted?

Get a magblade and try it. I love mine and barely play my sorc since I have it. It's quite different from petsorc regarding playstyle. It's basically slow movement and massive AOE vs. agility and burst/single target (lightning vs. flame says it all actually). While sorcs are probably easier to solo stuff on, it gets much faster as a skilled magblade. Petsorc is super easy in vMA for instance but will you ever get a nice score with it?
It depends on what you want. But if you hate the pets you are in the same boat as me and will probably love the NB for it's mobility and independence.

HEXENWOLF · June 2018

nnargun wrote: »

Get a magblade and try it. I love mine and barely play my sorc since I have it. It's quite different from petsorc regarding playstyle. It's basically slow movement and massive AOE vs. agility and burst/single target (lightning vs. flame says it all actually). While sorcs are probably easier to solo stuff on, it gets much faster as a skilled magblade. Petsorc is super easy in vMA for instance but will you ever get a nice score with it?
It depends on what you want. But if you hate the pets you are in the same boat as me and will probably love the NB for it's mobility and independence.

All right, you've convinced me. Thanks for taking the time to respond!