The most useful PC Add-ons should be made part of the base game

Jake1576 · June 2018

Hotdog_23 wrote: »

Simple console to pc transfer. I would real pay money for this. Been playing since the game came out on PS4. I do not want to start over so let us transfer. I know it can be done ZOS just has to allow for it.

This ∆ zos allow a one time switch for us console players

shadowwraith666 · June 2018

Hotdog_23 wrote: »

Simple console to pc transfer. I would real pay money for this. Been playing since the game came out on PS4. I do not want to start over so let us transfer. I know it can be done ZOS just has to allow for it.

ZOS might allow it, but Sony may not since the player profiles, subscriptions (including psplus), expansion and crown currency purchases are exclusively tied to your psn account.

kypranb14_ESO · June 2018

@Azurephoenix999

I swapped to PC back in September 2017 after pouring nearly 3,000 hours into console. I had attained 100% game completion, done all the quests, maxed all the skills etc, on at least one character with 10 maxed characters, 1 Mag/Stam of each type.

Swapping to PC is worth it for the massive performance boost alone.

wenchmore420b14_ESO · June 2018

Acrolas wrote: »

I'm all for adding specific popular features. Lock item is a good example.
So I'd suggest instead of pointing at add-ons and requesting them in their entirety, make wishlists of very basic interface improvements. It's easier to evaluate and develop smaller pieces.

Lock Item is a good example!
It was a add-on, but it is now a part of base game. (On PC right click item and you can lock it).

Add-Ons and Mods are as much a part of the Elder Scrolls Universe as M'aiq is.
TES3: Morrowind came with a "Construction Set" disc that actually taught people and gave them the tools to make Mods for Morrowind.
Well, the really best Mods for Morrowind became base game in Oblivion, really good Oblivion Mods became base game in Skyrim. Add Ons and Mods are the TES way.

But as said, they added "Item Lock. There are others that I don't remember off hand, but point is, Yes, they will and can
make Add Ons part of base game.
Guild Store and Guild Mgt. tools, Mini Map, UI improvements, etc... Need to be base game, agreed!
Huzzah!

Arthur_Spoonfondle · June 2018

Addons are a personal choice and, should remain so. None should be imposed on players, whether they like it or not, by being included in the base game.

danno8 · June 2018

They have done this with several addons already:

1. The buff trackers-but they really need to make them Left or Right Justified rather than center.
2. Combat Damage numbers
3. Symbols for "Ornate", "Intricate" etc.. items for easier selling and deconning
4. More that I cant think of right now.

I think they really need to:

1. An awesome Guild Store like search function while in Guild Trader UI.
2. Advanced Filters like UI
3. Toggleable minimap

These three things at least are no brainers that will have no effect on those who prefer minimalist UI but are a huge QoL addition for those who prefer more options.

danno8 · June 2018

Arthur_Spoonfondle wrote: »

Addons are a personal choice and, should remain so. None should be imposed on players, whether they like it or not, by being included in the base game.

Should ZoS never improve the game if said improvement was once an addon feature?

Some addon features are so evidently and obviously an improvement over the absence of them with no harm to the player experience at all that not implementing them on principle is an incredibly rigid way of thinking.

The "lock item" feature is a great example of this. Basically invisible if you don't want to use it, but there if you do. By your reasoning this would never have been put in the game because it would be an "imposition" on players who don't use it. Ridiculous.

Azurephoenix999 · June 2018

Arthur_Spoonfondle wrote: »

Addons are a personal choice and, should remain so. None should be imposed on players, whether they like it or not, by being included in the base game.

Wrong. Putting them in the main game as OPTIONAL features would retain the choice for PC players while offering the same choice to console players. As of right now, console players don't have a choice, none of these are available to them whatsoever. If it has to be a personal choice, console players should be able to make the same choice and use the mods if they want.

Azurephoenix999 · June 2018

Tandor wrote: »

Modding is, however, a classic aspect of TES and I would hate to see the modding community effectively denied their opportunities to provide addons because their functions were being incorporated into the base UI.

How on earth will this destroy the modding community? If a mod that already exists is incorporated into the base game, how on earth does that discourage people from making new mods? If someone makes a mod that improves the game significantly enough for ZOS to consider adding it to the base game, how would the creator be negatively impacted by them doing this in any remotely significant way?

Most of these are features that should've been in the game from the start, and the fact that only players on 1/3 systems can access them simply isn't fair. Console players shouldn't have to go without "just because".

Tandor · June 2018

Azurephoenix999 wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

Modding is, however, a classic aspect of TES and I would hate to see the modding community effectively denied their opportunities to provide addons because their functions were being incorporated into the base UI.

How on earth will this destroy the modding community? If a mod that already exists is incorporated into the base game, how on earth does that discourage people from making new mods? If someone makes a mod that improves the game significantly enough for ZOS to consider adding it to the base game, how would the creator be negatively impacted by them doing this in any remotely significant way?

Most of these are features that should've been in the game from the start, and the fact that only players on 1/3 systems can access them simply isn't fair. Console players shouldn't have to go without "just because".

The console argument is an entirely separate and valid one, as made clear in the part of my original comment that you didn't quote. Although I'm on PC (with not a single mod installed at any time since launch, I have no use for them), I fully recognise the difficulties console users face and that's why I openly champion their cause here when constantly criticising the trading system which is largely dysfunctional for the two-thirds of the playerbase that don't have meaningful access to the trading addons.

On PC it's an entirely different situation, and it's incorrect to say that all the basic functions covered by mods should have been included in the base game from the start. TES is based on the principle of the developer providing a basic UI that is then complemented and enhanced by modders. For PC, therefore, the problem with taking all the "good" mods and including them in the base game is that modders are then left with only the minority interest ones and little incentive to create new ones if they're only going to end up being taken by ZOS and incorporated in the base game too.

Now, if ZOS want to run it the way that some developers have done and incentive such modders by paying for the good mods then that's a different matter, there's an incentive for them to continue. Most modders, however, operate in order to (a) improve the game and (b ) maximise the number of downloads for their mods, and that stops the moment their mods are no longer needed because they've been "adopted" by the developer.

Kimba_Do · June 2018

craigr02 wrote: »

Us console players deserve the same love as pc, and if they dont open up addons on console they should take it away from pc too, or just program some more into the game.

Really? If you can't have it no one else can? Just buy a computer, and then you can have it too. Or are you serious? You can only afford a 20 year old car, so no one should be allowed to have a new car. See? Makes no sense. Just get a computer. They're not very expensive anymore, and can do a LOT more than play games.

Aluneth · June 2018

They should make it so that if you've already discovered a skyshard/lorebook, it should be visible on the map for all of your other characters that haven't found it yet. This way you would still have to search for them and find them the first time, but it would be less tedious on your following characters. They could make this a toggle on-off feature in settings.

Azurephoenix999 · June 2018

Kimba_Do wrote: »

craigr02 wrote: »

Us console players deserve the same love as pc, and if they dont open up addons on console they should take it away from pc too, or just program some more into the game.

Really? If you can't have it no one else can? Just buy a computer, and then you can have it too. Or are you serious? You can only afford a 20 year old car, so no one should be allowed to have a new car. See? Makes no sense. Just get a computer. They're not very expensive anymore, and can do a LOT more than play games.

"Just buy a PC" is NOT a solution.

Not only is this not affordable to some people, it would require a complete reset on our progress. For those of us that have been playing since launch, that's a serious problem.

And we're not saying "if we can't have it then no one else can" (that guy did, but he doesn't speak for all of us), we're saying "if they have it then we should too". They are two separate arguments.

Tandor · June 2018

Azurephoenix999 wrote: »

Kimba_Do wrote: »

craigr02 wrote: »

Us console players deserve the same love as pc, and if they dont open up addons on console they should take it away from pc too, or just program some more into the game.

Really? If you can't have it no one else can? Just buy a computer, and then you can have it too. Or are you serious? You can only afford a 20 year old car, so no one should be allowed to have a new car. See? Makes no sense. Just get a computer. They're not very expensive anymore, and can do a LOT more than play games.

"Just buy a PC" is NOT a solution.

Not only is this not affordable to some people, it would require a complete reset on our progress. For those of us that have been playing since launch, that's a serious problem.

And we're not saying "if we can't have it then no one else can" (that guy did, but he doesn't speak for all of us), we're saying "if they have it then we should too". They are two separate arguments.

Actually he didn't. People are getting excited over one half of what he said and ignoring the other half. He actually said that PC addons should be removed or more of them added to the base game.

Juju_beans · June 2018

craigr02 wrote: »

DuskMarine wrote: »

kikkehs wrote: »

DuskMarine wrote: »

Azurephoenix999 wrote: »

There are dozens of improvements that could be made to the in-game UI, and PC players have add-ons that fix a ton of problems.

They've got things like Skyshard and Lorebook maps, a Skill Point tracker, an add-on that tells them the market values of items they've found, one that makes searching for items in guild traders easier (because there's a million categories to sift through but no search bar), and I'm sure there are just tons more that us console players aren't even aware of.

If ZOS still refuses to allow us to migrate our accounts between systems (no way in hell am I throwing away years of progress and starting all over again over this), then I believe they should put some effort in to ensure that the console players aren't missing out as much. They should take the most popular PC add-ons, and put them into the base game so that everybody has access to them.

no

yes.

itll *** to many people off so no. plus itll make the point of the add on community basically a moot point so no.

Us console players deserve the same love as pc, and if they dont open up addons on console they should take it away from pc too, or just program some more into the game.

And just who is "they" ? Who is "they" for xbox ? Who is "they" for playstation ?

"They" is not Zos.

VexingArcanist · June 2018

As much as I would like Lorebooks and Skyshards to be in the default UI, it's not gonna happen for a solid reason: Discovery. Discovery is part of the game so putting in systems to skirt what will never happen.

Votan's Minimap on the other had needs to be default UI. You can disable it and require it to be enabled by the player in Settings, but good good it's 2018 and the game has no minimap....

Kimba_Do · June 2018

Azurephoenix999 wrote: »

"Just buy a PC" is NOT a solution.

Not only is this not affordable to some people, it would require a complete reset on our progress. For those of us that have been playing since launch, that's a serious problem.

And we're not saying "if we can't have it then no one else can" (that guy did, but he doesn't speak for all of us), we're saying "if they have it then we should too". They are two separate arguments.

You skirt my post but deflate things in the third paragraph. I was replying to a person that DID say that. Nowhere did I say or imply all console users. Additionally, you can buy a PC more than capable of playing the game for less than a console. As for resetting your progress, well, after all you (plural, not meaning you specifically) are the ones on a console so if resetting your progress is a non-starter, then just don't.

Also please note here that I do understand many people play on what their parents bought, and don't yet have an income of their own. Kinda like how my first car at 16 was one my mom wanted for me, not anything near what I wanted. But you know, I drove it anyway and it did not take long to figure out only I could upgrade my ride. So I went out, got work ($2.30 an hour was the wage of that day) worked hard, saved and scrimped, and upgraded. Sucked to not spend on partying with friends and took quite some time, but I ended up with a very nice (comparatively speaking) set of wheels.

While I do understand your argument, consider this statement: "It's not fair that I can get computer viruses and console users can't. Someone should infect them, too." Or even substitute 'Mac' for console, although that is no longer the case. Try this one: "My car can't go as fast as yours, you should have your car taken away/restrictor plate limited." Then we could go with, "My house is not as nice as yours, you need to be evicted." These are non-viable arguments. In all three of these statements what is not mentioned is 'you' actually doing something about it; the only focus is 'I don't (not can't, mind you, but don't) have it, so you can't either.

That all being said, I have no problem with updating the console version of the base game to include functionality of some (or all, for that matter) of the add-ons. Why would I? Even though I don't have skin in that game, I'm all for it.

Voxicity · June 2018

While some addons are well coded, a lot of them are poorly done and bug out all the time or create lag

So for the most part I'd rather not have them, but rather ZOS to take inspiration from them and add them to the game itself

Then again ZOS would probably make it even buggier

DeadlyPhoenix · June 2018

Azurephoenix999 wrote: »

There are dozens of improvements that could be made to the in-game UI, and PC players have add-ons that fix a ton of problems.

They've got things like Skyshard and Lorebook maps, a Skill Point tracker, an add-on that tells them the market values of items they've found, one that makes searching for items in guild traders easier (because there's a million categories to sift through but no search bar), and I'm sure there are just tons more that us console players aren't even aware of.

If ZOS still refuses to allow us to migrate our accounts between systems (no way in hell am I throwing away years of progress and starting all over again over this), then I believe they should put some effort in to ensure that the console players aren't missing out as much. They should take the most popular PC add-ons, and put them into the base game so that everybody has access to them.

I wish. We've been asking. ZOS doesn't care for the most part. They gave use a few things, but ultimately they leave it to other people to make them for free.

Tired of asking.. . The UI in this game is absolute garbage on console and is setup in such a way to draw out time from the player. Leeching every second of time they can from us. There is absolutely no viable excuse other than this one that has any semblance of truth. They "can" update the UI and quite easily at that. They simply won't.

Don't say it's a money thing, not worth the time, not worth the money or development, or is a perk for playing on PC and not console.... We've been asking for updates since console launch and repeatedly people complain about things on PTS and instantly someone replies "Don't worry, I got this covered with an addon." That's bull shifting at it's finest....

I could go on and on, the rage is strong in this one regarding the issue at hand.

I won't though and you wanna know why? ZOS doesn't care in the slightest. Don't care what a PC player has to say on the subject either.

Kimba_Do · June 2018

DeadlyPhoenix wrote: »

Don't care what an PC player has to say on the subject either. You can stay out of a topic like this as it doesn't pertain to you at all.

Odd, I don't seem to remember asking you for your permission to post here.

You really sound hangry. Have a sweetroll.

DeadlyPhoenix · June 2018

Kimba_Do wrote: »

DeadlyPhoenix wrote: »

Don't care what an PC player has to say on the subject either. You can stay out of a topic like this as it doesn't pertain to you at all.

Odd, I don't seem to remember asking you for your permission to post here.
You really sound hangry. Have a sweetroll.

You'll notice I redacted that part before you even posted. Took a while to find that picture I guess?

PC players do have a say in the matter, however none of them know the struggle of the console UI, not even the ones that run without add-ons because the base UI is different.

Regardless of development time separation between platforms, it is something that is seriously needed and wanted to improve the QoL of this game. We have literally been banging our heads against the brick wall that is ZOS for years now. Meanwhile PC elitist tell us to transfer to PC if we have a problem with it.

It's been frustrating over the years so yes, I'm pretty hangry. Hungry for a better UI and angry that we've been neglected and starved all these years.

Betsararie · June 2018

This is accurate. If you consider how bad the base game is, it's truly terrible.

Navigating the guild store is a pain. The UI is garbage. Even add ons like Miat's in its reduced form add subtle welcome changes to the game.

Some such as awesome guild store, swap skills continued, deconstruction junk marker, and dressing room, should no question be added to the base game soon.

Kimba_Do · June 2018

DeadlyPhoenix wrote: »

You'll notice I redacted that part before you even posted. Took a while to find that picture I guess?

PC players do have a say in the matter, however none of them know the struggle of the console UI, not even the ones that run without add-ons because the base UI is different.

Regardless of development time separation between platforms, it is something that is seriously needed and wanted to improve the QoL of this game. We have literally been banging our heads against the brick wall that is ZOS for years now. Meanwhile PC elitist tell us to transfer to PC if we have a problem with it.

It's been frustrating over the years so yes, I'm pretty hangry. Hungry for a better UI and angry that we've been neglected and starved all these years.

Yeah, it took a few to find a decent image online, although I was doing other things as well. I do appreciate you removing 'that part'. You can still have the sweetroll though.

Kikke · June 2018

DeadlyPhoenix wrote: »

Kimba_Do wrote: »

DeadlyPhoenix wrote: »

Don't care what an PC player has to say on the subject either. You can stay out of a topic like this as it doesn't pertain to you at all.

Odd, I don't seem to remember asking you for your permission to post here.
You really sound hangry. Have a sweetroll.

You'll notice I redacted that part before you even posted. Took a while to find that picture I guess?

PC players do have a say in the matter, however none of them know the struggle of the console UI, not even the ones that run without add-ons because the base UI is different.

Regardless of development time separation between platforms, it is something that is seriously needed and wanted to improve the QoL of this game. We have literally been banging our heads against the brick wall that is ZOS for years now. Meanwhile PC elitist tell us to transfer to PC if we have a problem with it.

It's been frustrating over the years so yes, I'm pretty hangry. Hungry for a better UI and angry that we've been neglected and starved all these years.

You sound like an ignorant troll, you do know it's easy to just DONT download addons, then us PC master race knows EXACTLY how you console peasants have it. Just most of us choose not to torture our self with a bad UI and crappy performance xD

jedtb16_ESO · June 2018

modding is an integral part of bethesda games. looks like the devs deliberately leave gaps for the modders to fill. long may it continue.

integrating existing mods into the base game?

can of worms.... all those intellectual property rights issues.

DeadlyPhoenix · June 2018

kikkehs wrote: »

DeadlyPhoenix wrote: »

Kimba_Do wrote: »

DeadlyPhoenix wrote: »

Don't care what an PC player has to say on the subject either. You can stay out of a topic like this as it doesn't pertain to you at all.

Odd, I don't seem to remember asking you for your permission to post here.
You really sound hangry. Have a sweetroll.

You'll notice I redacted that part before you even posted. Took a while to find that picture I guess?

PC players do have a say in the matter, however none of them know the struggle of the console UI, not even the ones that run without add-ons because the base UI is different.

Regardless of development time separation between platforms, it is something that is seriously needed and wanted to improve the QoL of this game. We have literally been banging our heads against the brick wall that is ZOS for years now. Meanwhile PC elitist tell us to transfer to PC if we have a problem with it.

It's been frustrating over the years so yes, I'm pretty hangry. Hungry for a better UI and angry that we've been neglected and starved all these years.

You sound like an ignorant troll, you do know it's easy to just DONT download addons, then us PC master race knows EXACTLY how you console peasants have it. Just most of us choose not to torture our self with a bad UI and crappy performance xD

Clearly you are the ignorant troll. Because I already stated that the UI is completely different on console from PC even in vanilla.

For one you have access to keyboard and mouse, not just a few buttons that toggle an overall menu and joysticks to navigate.

For two the UI is different whether you realize it or not and if you don't realize it then clearly, once again, you are the ignorant troll in this thread.

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These are the same though right?

DeadlyPhoenix · June 2018

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

modding is an integral part of bethesda games. looks like the devs deliberately leave gaps for the modders to fill. long may it continue.

integrating existing mods into the base game?

can of worms.... all those intellectual property rights issues.

Intellectual property rights have nothing to do with it. You're making the mods to be used on the game. Thats why there are several add-ons that do the exact same thing.

We're not asking for add-ons, just certain features that add-ons provide to PC players that we don't have on console. This isn't infringing on anyone's rights, but merely updating an outdated game.

danno8 · June 2018

DeadlyPhoenix wrote: »

kikkehs wrote: »

DeadlyPhoenix wrote: »

Kimba_Do wrote: »

DeadlyPhoenix wrote: »

Don't care what an PC player has to say on the subject either. You can stay out of a topic like this as it doesn't pertain to you at all.

Odd, I don't seem to remember asking you for your permission to post here.
You really sound hangry. Have a sweetroll.

You'll notice I redacted that part before you even posted. Took a while to find that picture I guess?

PC players do have a say in the matter, however none of them know the struggle of the console UI, not even the ones that run without add-ons because the base UI is different.

Regardless of development time separation between platforms, it is something that is seriously needed and wanted to improve the QoL of this game. We have literally been banging our heads against the brick wall that is ZOS for years now. Meanwhile PC elitist tell us to transfer to PC if we have a problem with it.

It's been frustrating over the years so yes, I'm pretty hangry. Hungry for a better UI and angry that we've been neglected and starved all these years.

You sound like an ignorant troll, you do know it's easy to just DONT download addons, then us PC master race knows EXACTLY how you console peasants have it. Just most of us choose not to torture our self with a bad UI and crappy performance xD

Clearly you are the ignorant troll. Because I already stated that the UI is completely different on console from PC even in vanilla.

For one you have access to keyboard and mouse, not just a few buttons that toggle an overall menu and joysticks to navigate.

For two the UI is different whether you realize it or not and if you don't realize it then clearly, once again, you are the ignorant troll in this thread.

These are the same though right?

Actually PC can plug in a Gamepad and have the default UI exactly the same as consoles right down to the terrible scrolling menus.

I have heard that consoles are set up for KB and Mouse internally, but ZoS would have to code that stuff in to the game itself for it to be supported. Not sure on that though.

hellothere · June 2018

DuskMarine wrote: »

kikkehs wrote: »

DuskMarine wrote: »

Azurephoenix999 wrote: »

There are dozens of improvements that could be made to the in-game UI, and PC players have add-ons that fix a ton of problems.

They've got things like Skyshard and Lorebook maps, a Skill Point tracker, an add-on that tells them the market values of items they've found, one that makes searching for items in guild traders easier (because there's a million categories to sift through but no search bar), and I'm sure there are just tons more that us console players aren't even aware of.

If ZOS still refuses to allow us to migrate our accounts between systems (no way in hell am I throwing away years of progress and starting all over again over this), then I believe they should put some effort in to ensure that the console players aren't missing out as much. They should take the most popular PC add-ons, and put them into the base game so that everybody has access to them.

no

yes.

itll *** to many people off so no. plus itll make the point of the add on community basically a moot point so no.

What about the other 2/3’s? They don’t get this because it’s so nice for pc users

Azurephoenix999 · June 2018

danno8 wrote: »

DeadlyPhoenix wrote: »

kikkehs wrote: »

DeadlyPhoenix wrote: »

Kimba_Do wrote: »

DeadlyPhoenix wrote: »

Don't care what an PC player has to say on the subject either. You can stay out of a topic like this as it doesn't pertain to you at all.

Odd, I don't seem to remember asking you for your permission to post here.
You really sound hangry. Have a sweetroll.

You'll notice I redacted that part before you even posted. Took a while to find that picture I guess?

PC players do have a say in the matter, however none of them know the struggle of the console UI, not even the ones that run without add-ons because the base UI is different.

Regardless of development time separation between platforms, it is something that is seriously needed and wanted to improve the QoL of this game. We have literally been banging our heads against the brick wall that is ZOS for years now. Meanwhile PC elitist tell us to transfer to PC if we have a problem with it.

It's been frustrating over the years so yes, I'm pretty hangry. Hungry for a better UI and angry that we've been neglected and starved all these years.

You sound like an ignorant troll, you do know it's easy to just DONT download addons, then us PC master race knows EXACTLY how you console peasants have it. Just most of us choose not to torture our self with a bad UI and crappy performance xD

Clearly you are the ignorant troll. Because I already stated that the UI is completely different on console from PC even in vanilla.

For one you have access to keyboard and mouse, not just a few buttons that toggle an overall menu and joysticks to navigate.

For two the UI is different whether you realize it or not and if you don't realize it then clearly, once again, you are the ignorant troll in this thread.

These are the same though right?

Actually PC can plug in a Gamepad and have the default UI exactly the same as consoles right down to the terrible scrolling menus.

I have heard that consoles are set up for KB and Mouse internally, but ZoS would have to code that stuff in to the game itself for it to be supported. Not sure on that though.

OR they could just do what Destiny did and have an on-screen cursor that you control with the left stick instead of a mouse. There's a thousand different ways they could've given console players a better UI, but they really love dragging their heels when it comes to making improvements.