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Sloads and duroks bane should be looked into
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WeylandLabs✭✭✭✭✭It's amazing how Youtubers and Twitch streamers can gather an entire community of people to there benefit. If I die to it nerf it, if I kill a player its my skill. Everybody in eso is losing there minds.4 -
Dredlord✭✭✭✭✭You all realize sloads does about the same damage as overwhelming does right?
Erm...no?5 items: When you activate a Class ability, you have a 15% chance to surround yourself with a torrent that deals 22-2365 Shock Damage to the closest enemy within 12 meters of you every 1 second for 6 seconds.
It's shock damage. It can be mitigated by spell resistances, blocking, shielding, and healing. Unlike Sload's oblivion damage.
Actually, test it on a dummy. Surge will give noticeably higher DPS because the proc has a higher tooltip plus can cause concussion which boosts ALL incoming damage on that target by 8%. The only reason to run Sload over Surge on a magika build is as a counter to block or shields.
Edit: @TheDoomsdayMonster Overwhelming Surge is a superior proc set for countering cloak because it reveals EVERYTHING in a 13m radius since the proc is an “aoe”
Its an aoe with max targets 1, so no it doesnt reveal everything.1 -
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✭@Shokasegambit1 , I want to hear what you think is degenerate right now.Adenoma-Badenoma-Sadenoma1 -
IZZEFlameLash✭✭✭✭✭
✭IZZEFlameLash wrote: »dwemer_paleologist wrote: »use purge, it will remove the dot from sloads.
Stop posting this dumb answer. No class can afford to give up a skill slot just to deal with one set, thereby gimping yourself in ever other fight. I know you and others want to keep your cheap sets because you can’t win otherwise, but it shouldn’t be required to change your build just to deal with one op proc set because a few tryhards finally feel like they can win.L2P
Defending sloads by telling someone to l2p is incredibly ironic.
Stop posting your stupid retort then, every *** build in the game applies dots debuffs and status effects that it is beneficial to purge.
Argueing you have to slot purge for only one set is either pure ignorance or childish whining...
Which is one of the reasons why purge is prety much useless on ur bar unless u are running in a zerg which is precisely what it was designed for which is also precisely why its mostly used in those situations. It removes two negative effects and most of the time you have so many debuffs on you to the point where even if you use it, it may not even remove the debuff you want to actually remove. And on top of that, its probably the most expensive skill in the game. It costs so much to the point where consecutive casts are simply impossible on normal builds.
Its a support skill which is utilised best by support builds. Aka builds that actually have one main job, to support entire groups. So arguing that everyone should run around with pocket healers is also pure ignorance.
Thank you for proving vapirko's argument is just scrub talk.
I don't think
You coulda stopped there.
Ps. I'm not using sloads and it hasnt been on a death recap of mine in 3 days.
You resort to ad hominem. Nice job. You misread him and you are embarassed. So you must attack me like that. Perhaps you should think more and work on reading comprehension.
Edited by IZZEFlameLash on June 3, 2018 2:54AMImperials, the one and true masters of all mortal races of Tamriel0 -
Dredlord✭✭✭✭✭IZZEFlameLash wrote: »IZZEFlameLash wrote: »dwemer_paleologist wrote: »use purge, it will remove the dot from sloads.
Stop posting this dumb answer. No class can afford to give up a skill slot just to deal with one set, thereby gimping yourself in ever other fight. I know you and others want to keep your cheap sets because you can’t win otherwise, but it shouldn’t be required to change your build just to deal with one op proc set because a few tryhards finally feel like they can win.L2P
Defending sloads by telling someone to l2p is incredibly ironic.
Stop posting your stupid retort then, every *** build in the game applies dots debuffs and status effects that it is beneficial to purge.
Argueing you have to slot purge for only one set is either pure ignorance or childish whining...
Which is one of the reasons why purge is prety much useless on ur bar unless u are running in a zerg which is precisely what it was designed for which is also precisely why its mostly used in those situations. It removes two negative effects and most of the time you have so many debuffs on you to the point where even if you use it, it may not even remove the debuff you want to actually remove. And on top of that, its probably the most expensive skill in the game. It costs so much to the point where consecutive casts are simply impossible on normal builds.
Its a support skill which is utilised best by support builds. Aka builds that actually have one main job, to support entire groups. So arguing that everyone should run around with pocket healers is also pure ignorance.
Thank you for proving vapirko's argument is just scrub talk.
I don't think
You coulda stopped there.
Ps. I'm not using sloads and it hasnt been on a death recap of mine in 3 days.
You resort to ad hominem. Nice job. You misread him and you are embarassed. So you must attack me like that. Perhaps you should think more and work on reading comprehension.
Touche, disparage my ad hominem then add your own. Sorry hypocrit but i didnt misread anything. He supplied a whole host of reasons to use purge then erroneously concluded it was only good to slot on a support class.Edited by Dredlord on June 3, 2018 3:13AM0 -
Vapirko✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭L2PDoctordarkspawn wrote: »L2P.
Sloads is fine. And necessary.
say that to pvpers like @FENGRUSH or @Gilliamtherogue whom have openly stated that sloads is a horribly implemented set and needs to be deleted, experienced pvpers who know how to play
It’s okay, everyone knows better than people who have been playing this game since launch/are literally invited by the devs to produce input about the game because of how experienced they are/put out some of/the most comprehensive information about eso.
The only consolation atm is that sloads will for sure be nerfed it’s just a matter of when all the people crutchig off it can go back to getting farmed.3 -
TheDoomsdayMonster✭✭✭✭✭You all realize sloads does about the same damage as overwhelming does right?
Erm...no?5 items: When you activate a Class ability, you have a 15% chance to surround yourself with a torrent that deals 22-2365 Shock Damage to the closest enemy within 12 meters of you every 1 second for 6 seconds.
It's shock damage. It can be mitigated by spell resistances, blocking, shielding, and healing. Unlike Sload's oblivion damage.
Actually, test it on a dummy. Surge will give noticeably higher DPS because the proc has a higher tooltip plus can cause concussion which boosts ALL incoming damage on that target by 8%. The only reason to run Sload over Surge on a magika build is as a counter to block or shields.
Edit: @TheDoomsdayMonster Overwhelming Surge is a superior proc set for countering cloak because it reveals EVERYTHING in a 13m radius since the proc is an “aoe”
Isn't Surge single target only?
In addition, Surges reveal radius is inferior to Sloads; you can be 28m from me, and if I proc Sloads on you, then you have to endure being revealed for 6 secs...Unyeilding Bias
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IZZEFlameLash✭✭✭✭✭
✭IZZEFlameLash wrote: »IZZEFlameLash wrote: »dwemer_paleologist wrote: »use purge, it will remove the dot from sloads.
Stop posting this dumb answer. No class can afford to give up a skill slot just to deal with one set, thereby gimping yourself in ever other fight. I know you and others want to keep your cheap sets because you can’t win otherwise, but it shouldn’t be required to change your build just to deal with one op proc set because a few tryhards finally feel like they can win.L2P
Defending sloads by telling someone to l2p is incredibly ironic.
Stop posting your stupid retort then, every *** build in the game applies dots debuffs and status effects that it is beneficial to purge.
Argueing you have to slot purge for only one set is either pure ignorance or childish whining...
Which is one of the reasons why purge is prety much useless on ur bar unless u are running in a zerg which is precisely what it was designed for which is also precisely why its mostly used in those situations. It removes two negative effects and most of the time you have so many debuffs on you to the point where even if you use it, it may not even remove the debuff you want to actually remove. And on top of that, its probably the most expensive skill in the game. It costs so much to the point where consecutive casts are simply impossible on normal builds.
Its a support skill which is utilised best by support builds. Aka builds that actually have one main job, to support entire groups. So arguing that everyone should run around with pocket healers is also pure ignorance.
Thank you for proving vapirko's argument is just scrub talk.
I don't think
You coulda stopped there.
Ps. I'm not using sloads and it hasnt been on a death recap of mine in 3 days.
You resort to ad hominem. Nice job. You misread him and you are embarassed. So you must attack me like that. Perhaps you should think more and work on reading comprehension.
Touche, disparage my ad hominem then add your own. Sorry hypocrit but i didnt misread anything. He supplied a whole host of reasons to use purge then erroneously concluded it was only good to slot on a support class.
Okay, let's try reading this again:dwemer_paleologist wrote: »use purge, it will remove the dot from sloads.
Stop posting this dumb answer. No class can afford to give up a skill slot just to deal with one set, thereby gimping yourself in ever other fight. I know you and others want to keep your cheap sets because you can’t win otherwise, but it shouldn’t be required to change your build just to deal with one op proc set because a few tryhards finally feel like they can win.L2P
Defending sloads by telling someone to l2p is incredibly ironic.
Stop posting your stupid retort then, every *** build in the game applies dots debuffs and status effects that it is beneficial to purge.
Argueing you have to slot purge for only one set is either pure ignorance or childish whining...
Which is one of the reasons why purge is prety much useless on ur bar unless u are running in a zerg which is precisely what it was designed for which is also precisely why its mostly used in those situations. It removes two negative effects and most of the time you have so many debuffs on you to the point where even if you use it, it may not even remove the debuff you want to actually remove. And on top of that, its probably the most expensive skill in the game. It costs so much to the point where consecutive casts are simply impossible on normal builds.
Its a support skill which is utilised best by support builds. Aka builds that actually have one main job, to support entire groups. So arguing that everyone should run around with pocket healers is also pure ignorance.
His post goes: 'Purge is useless on your bar unless you are in a zerg because it may or may not remove the debuff/too expensive for most builds' -> 'Therefore, saying run purge is telling everyone to run around with a pocket healers which is just a pure ignorance'. His post actually supports Vapirko's argument of 'telling people to run purge for one set is not a good response'. So now... where is pieratsos actually saying that purge is great and you should slot purge when not in big zerg again?
Here are some facts in pointers
1. You entirely misread.
2. You did resort to ad hominem first instead of actual response. What did you expect in response then?
By the way, the game is filled with debuffs and it is near impossible to get debuffs you want purged even 1v1. And Alliance War purge costs 6k or so. So, if running out of Magicka is your thing without clearly building for it (which is a group support build FOR group play where there's a clear role division), all the powers to you. Not even 1vX Templar builds can afford to sustain constant purging with their class skill when they have to defend from other damage sources and commit to counter offensive trying to relieve pressure only to have those debuffs right back into the game constantly.Edited by IZZEFlameLash on June 3, 2018 7:26AMImperials, the one and true masters of all mortal races of Tamriel2 -
pieratsos✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭IZZEFlameLash wrote: »IZZEFlameLash wrote: »dwemer_paleologist wrote: »use purge, it will remove the dot from sloads.
Stop posting this dumb answer. No class can afford to give up a skill slot just to deal with one set, thereby gimping yourself in ever other fight. I know you and others want to keep your cheap sets because you can’t win otherwise, but it shouldn’t be required to change your build just to deal with one op proc set because a few tryhards finally feel like they can win.L2P
Defending sloads by telling someone to l2p is incredibly ironic.
Stop posting your stupid retort then, every *** build in the game applies dots debuffs and status effects that it is beneficial to purge.
Argueing you have to slot purge for only one set is either pure ignorance or childish whining...
Which is one of the reasons why purge is prety much useless on ur bar unless u are running in a zerg which is precisely what it was designed for which is also precisely why its mostly used in those situations. It removes two negative effects and most of the time you have so many debuffs on you to the point where even if you use it, it may not even remove the debuff you want to actually remove. And on top of that, its probably the most expensive skill in the game. It costs so much to the point where consecutive casts are simply impossible on normal builds.
Its a support skill which is utilised best by support builds. Aka builds that actually have one main job, to support entire groups. So arguing that everyone should run around with pocket healers is also pure ignorance.
Thank you for proving vapirko's argument is just scrub talk.
I don't think
You coulda stopped there.
Ps. I'm not using sloads and it hasnt been on a death recap of mine in 3 days.
You resort to ad hominem. Nice job. You misread him and you are embarassed. So you must attack me like that. Perhaps you should think more and work on reading comprehension.
Touche, disparage my ad hominem then add your own. Sorry hypocrit but i didnt misread anything. He supplied a whole host of reasons to use purge then erroneously concluded it was only good to slot on a support class.
You did actually misread everything.0 -
Dredlord✭✭✭✭✭IZZEFlameLash wrote: »IZZEFlameLash wrote: »dwemer_paleologist wrote: »use purge, it will remove the dot from sloads.
Stop posting this dumb answer. No class can afford to give up a skill slot just to deal with one set, thereby gimping yourself in ever other fight. I know you and others want to keep your cheap sets because you can’t win otherwise, but it shouldn’t be required to change your build just to deal with one op proc set because a few tryhards finally feel like they can win.L2P
Defending sloads by telling someone to l2p is incredibly ironic.
Stop posting your stupid retort then, every *** build in the game applies dots debuffs and status effects that it is beneficial to purge.
Argueing you have to slot purge for only one set is either pure ignorance or childish whining...
Which is one of the reasons why purge is prety much useless on ur bar unless u are running in a zerg which is precisely what it was designed for which is also precisely why its mostly used in those situations. It removes two negative effects and most of the time you have so many debuffs on you to the point where even if you use it, it may not even remove the debuff you want to actually remove. And on top of that, its probably the most expensive skill in the game. It costs so much to the point where consecutive casts are simply impossible on normal builds.
Its a support skill which is utilised best by support builds. Aka builds that actually have one main job, to support entire groups. So arguing that everyone should run around with pocket healers is also pure ignorance.
Thank you for proving vapirko's argument is just scrub talk.
I don't think
You coulda stopped there.
Ps. I'm not using sloads and it hasnt been on a death recap of mine in 3 days.
You resort to ad hominem. Nice job. You misread him and you are embarassed. So you must attack me like that. Perhaps you should think more and work on reading comprehension.
Touche, disparage my ad hominem then add your own. Sorry hypocrit but i didnt misread anything. He supplied a whole host of reasons to use purge then erroneously concluded it was only good to slot on a support class.
You did actually misread everything.
Not at all, all the factual information in his post i agree with, his conclusions I do not. His conclusions basically amount scrub talk. New patch, new gear, new meta whick means skills relative value changes.
This whole thread is the classic example of: crybabies dont want to adjust their favorite build to counter the new meta.
Many of us have adjusted and are having no problems dealing with this new set and its lack luster damage.
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Gilvoth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭IZZEFlameLash wrote: »IZZEFlameLash wrote: »dwemer_paleologist wrote: »use purge, it will remove the dot from sloads.
Stop posting this dumb answer. No class can afford to give up a skill slot just to deal with one set, thereby gimping yourself in ever other fight. I know you and others want to keep your cheap sets because you can’t win otherwise, but it shouldn’t be required to change your build just to deal with one op proc set because a few tryhards finally feel like they can win.L2P
Defending sloads by telling someone to l2p is incredibly ironic.
Stop posting your stupid retort then, every *** build in the game applies dots debuffs and status effects that it is beneficial to purge.
Argueing you have to slot purge for only one set is either pure ignorance or childish whining...
Which is one of the reasons why purge is prety much useless on ur bar unless u are running in a zerg which is precisely what it was designed for which is also precisely why its mostly used in those situations. It removes two negative effects and most of the time you have so many debuffs on you to the point where even if you use it, it may not even remove the debuff you want to actually remove. And on top of that, its probably the most expensive skill in the game. It costs so much to the point where consecutive casts are simply impossible on normal builds.
Its a support skill which is utilised best by support builds. Aka builds that actually have one main job, to support entire groups. So arguing that everyone should run around with pocket healers is also pure ignorance.
Thank you for proving vapirko's argument is just scrub talk.
I don't think
You coulda stopped there.
Ps. I'm not using sloads and it hasnt been on a death recap of mine in 3 days.
You resort to ad hominem. Nice job. You misread him and you are embarassed. So you must attack me like that. Perhaps you should think more and work on reading comprehension.
Touche, disparage my ad hominem then add your own. Sorry hypocrit but i didnt misread anything. He supplied a whole host of reasons to use purge then erroneously concluded it was only good to slot on a support class.
You did actually misread everything.
This whole thread is the classic example of: crybabies dont want to adjust their favorite build to counter the new meta.
Many of us have adjusted and are having no problems dealing with this new set and its lack luster damage.
well said!
that is exactly right on the money and worded perfectly.
all truth.
Edited by Gilvoth on June 3, 2018 5:51PM2 -
Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭L2PDoctordarkspawn wrote: »L2P.
Sloads is fine. And necessary.
say that to pvpers like @FENGRUSH or @Gilliamtherogue whom have openly stated that sloads is a horribly implemented set and needs to be deleted, experienced pvpers who know how to play
It’s okay, everyone knows better than people who have been playing this game since launch/are literally invited by the devs to produce input about the game because of how experienced they are/put out some of/the most comprehensive information about eso.
The only consolation atm is that sloads will for sure be nerfed it’s just a matter of when all the people crutchig off it can go back to getting farmed.
I am probably the longest playing console player still on the forums.
At release of Intel I made the sloads page
ZoS does listen, every time, it's about a 3-8 month wait though.
Which is odd, because every single Nerf thread was preceeded by a "wtf are you thinking making this set?' thread posted by me in the PTS
I mean, if they listened to balance concerns on PTS a lot of this would be avoided2 -
pieratsos✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭IZZEFlameLash wrote: »IZZEFlameLash wrote: »dwemer_paleologist wrote: »use purge, it will remove the dot from sloads.
Stop posting this dumb answer. No class can afford to give up a skill slot just to deal with one set, thereby gimping yourself in ever other fight. I know you and others want to keep your cheap sets because you can’t win otherwise, but it shouldn’t be required to change your build just to deal with one op proc set because a few tryhards finally feel like they can win.L2P
Defending sloads by telling someone to l2p is incredibly ironic.
Stop posting your stupid retort then, every *** build in the game applies dots debuffs and status effects that it is beneficial to purge.
Argueing you have to slot purge for only one set is either pure ignorance or childish whining...
Which is one of the reasons why purge is prety much useless on ur bar unless u are running in a zerg which is precisely what it was designed for which is also precisely why its mostly used in those situations. It removes two negative effects and most of the time you have so many debuffs on you to the point where even if you use it, it may not even remove the debuff you want to actually remove. And on top of that, its probably the most expensive skill in the game. It costs so much to the point where consecutive casts are simply impossible on normal builds.
Its a support skill which is utilised best by support builds. Aka builds that actually have one main job, to support entire groups. So arguing that everyone should run around with pocket healers is also pure ignorance.
Thank you for proving vapirko's argument is just scrub talk.
I don't think
You coulda stopped there.
Ps. I'm not using sloads and it hasnt been on a death recap of mine in 3 days.
You resort to ad hominem. Nice job. You misread him and you are embarassed. So you must attack me like that. Perhaps you should think more and work on reading comprehension.
Touche, disparage my ad hominem then add your own. Sorry hypocrit but i didnt misread anything. He supplied a whole host of reasons to use purge then erroneously concluded it was only good to slot on a support class.
You did actually misread everything.
Not at all, all the factual information in his post i agree with, his conclusions I do not. His conclusions basically amount scrub talk. New patch, new gear, new meta whick means skills relative value changes.
This whole thread is the classic example of: crybabies dont want to adjust their favorite build to counter the new meta.
Many of us have adjusted and are having no problems dealing with this new set and its lack luster damage.
His post? Dude, you do realise that im the one that made the post right? The entire point of my post was the exact opposite of what you are saying. So yeah, you did misread everything.0 -
Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭IZZEFlameLash wrote: »IZZEFlameLash wrote: »dwemer_paleologist wrote: »use purge, it will remove the dot from sloads.
Stop posting this dumb answer. No class can afford to give up a skill slot just to deal with one set, thereby gimping yourself in ever other fight. I know you and others want to keep your cheap sets because you can’t win otherwise, but it shouldn’t be required to change your build just to deal with one op proc set because a few tryhards finally feel like they can win.L2P
Defending sloads by telling someone to l2p is incredibly ironic.
Stop posting your stupid retort then, every *** build in the game applies dots debuffs and status effects that it is beneficial to purge.
Argueing you have to slot purge for only one set is either pure ignorance or childish whining...
Which is one of the reasons why purge is prety much useless on ur bar unless u are running in a zerg which is precisely what it was designed for which is also precisely why its mostly used in those situations. It removes two negative effects and most of the time you have so many debuffs on you to the point where even if you use it, it may not even remove the debuff you want to actually remove. And on top of that, its probably the most expensive skill in the game. It costs so much to the point where consecutive casts are simply impossible on normal builds.
Its a support skill which is utilised best by support builds. Aka builds that actually have one main job, to support entire groups. So arguing that everyone should run around with pocket healers is also pure ignorance.
Thank you for proving vapirko's argument is just scrub talk.
I don't think
You coulda stopped there.
Ps. I'm not using sloads and it hasnt been on a death recap of mine in 3 days.
You resort to ad hominem. Nice job. You misread him and you are embarassed. So you must attack me like that. Perhaps you should think more and work on reading comprehension.
Touche, disparage my ad hominem then add your own. Sorry hypocrit but i didnt misread anything. He supplied a whole host of reasons to use purge then erroneously concluded it was only good to slot on a support class.
You did actually misread everything.
Not at all, all the factual information in his post i agree with, his conclusions I do not. His conclusions basically amount scrub talk. New patch, new gear, new meta whick means skills relative value changes.
This whole thread is the classic example of: crybabies dont want to adjust their favorite build to counter the new meta.
Many of us have adjusted and are having no problems dealing with this new set and its lack luster damage.
His post? Dude, you do realise that im the one that made the post right? The entire point of my post was the exact opposite of what you are saying. So yeah, you did misread everything.
Trying to follow who said what to whom with 6 different people made my head explode3 -
Dredlord✭✭✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »L2PDoctordarkspawn wrote: »L2P.
Sloads is fine. And necessary.
say that to pvpers like @FENGRUSH or @Gilliamtherogue whom have openly stated that sloads is a horribly implemented set and needs to be deleted, experienced pvpers who know how to play
It’s okay, everyone knows better than people who have been playing this game since launch/are literally invited by the devs to produce input about the game because of how experienced they are/put out some of/the most comprehensive information about eso.
The only consolation atm is that sloads will for sure be nerfed it’s just a matter of when all the people crutchig off it can go back to getting farmed.
I am probably the longest playing console player still on the forums.
Not unless you also played beta and then pc until console release.0 -
Dredlord✭✭✭✭✭IZZEFlameLash wrote: »IZZEFlameLash wrote: »dwemer_paleologist wrote: »use purge, it will remove the dot from sloads.
Stop posting this dumb answer. No class can afford to give up a skill slot just to deal with one set, thereby gimping yourself in ever other fight. I know you and others want to keep your cheap sets because you can’t win otherwise, but it shouldn’t be required to change your build just to deal with one op proc set because a few tryhards finally feel like they can win.L2P
Defending sloads by telling someone to l2p is incredibly ironic.
Stop posting your stupid retort then, every *** build in the game applies dots debuffs and status effects that it is beneficial to purge.
Argueing you have to slot purge for only one set is either pure ignorance or childish whining...
Which is one of the reasons why purge is prety much useless on ur bar unless u are running in a zerg which is precisely what it was designed for which is also precisely why its mostly used in those situations. It removes two negative effects and most of the time you have so many debuffs on you to the point where even if you use it, it may not even remove the debuff you want to actually remove. And on top of that, its probably the most expensive skill in the game. It costs so much to the point where consecutive casts are simply impossible on normal builds.
Its a support skill which is utilised best by support builds. Aka builds that actually have one main job, to support entire groups. So arguing that everyone should run around with pocket healers is also pure ignorance.
Thank you for proving vapirko's argument is just scrub talk.
I don't think
You coulda stopped there.
Ps. I'm not using sloads and it hasnt been on a death recap of mine in 3 days.
You resort to ad hominem. Nice job. You misread him and you are embarassed. So you must attack me like that. Perhaps you should think more and work on reading comprehension.
Touche, disparage my ad hominem then add your own. Sorry hypocrit but i didnt misread anything. He supplied a whole host of reasons to use purge then erroneously concluded it was only good to slot on a support class.
You did actually misread everything.
Not at all, all the factual information in his post i agree with, his conclusions I do not. His conclusions basically amount scrub talk. New patch, new gear, new meta whick means skills relative value changes.
This whole thread is the classic example of: crybabies dont want to adjust their favorite build to counter the new meta.
Many of us have adjusted and are having no problems dealing with this new set and its lack luster damage.
His post? Dude, you do realise that im the one that made the post right? The entire point of my post was the exact opposite of what you are saying. So yeah, you did misread everything.
Sorry I don't normally take note of who is making all the nerf and whine posts.1 -
Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »L2PDoctordarkspawn wrote: »L2P.
Sloads is fine. And necessary.
say that to pvpers like @FENGRUSH or @Gilliamtherogue whom have openly stated that sloads is a horribly implemented set and needs to be deleted, experienced pvpers who know how to play
It’s okay, everyone knows better than people who have been playing this game since launch/are literally invited by the devs to produce input about the game because of how experienced they are/put out some of/the most comprehensive information about eso.
The only consolation atm is that sloads will for sure be nerfed it’s just a matter of when all the people crutchig off it can go back to getting farmed.
I am probably the longest playing console player still on the forums.
Not unless you also played beta and then pc until console release.
I find those players to be PC players that also use console.
I also should have used "one of" (I immediately thought of it after the post) but nah, might as well just post this.
And, my point was, whom is a console only player that has been invited to anything?
We don't even get a class Rep
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✭✭IZZEFlameLash wrote: »IZZEFlameLash wrote: »dwemer_paleologist wrote: »use purge, it will remove the dot from sloads.
Stop posting this dumb answer. No class can afford to give up a skill slot just to deal with one set, thereby gimping yourself in ever other fight. I know you and others want to keep your cheap sets because you can’t win otherwise, but it shouldn’t be required to change your build just to deal with one op proc set because a few tryhards finally feel like they can win.L2P
Defending sloads by telling someone to l2p is incredibly ironic.
Stop posting your stupid retort then, every *** build in the game applies dots debuffs and status effects that it is beneficial to purge.
Argueing you have to slot purge for only one set is either pure ignorance or childish whining...
Which is one of the reasons why purge is prety much useless on ur bar unless u are running in a zerg which is precisely what it was designed for which is also precisely why its mostly used in those situations. It removes two negative effects and most of the time you have so many debuffs on you to the point where even if you use it, it may not even remove the debuff you want to actually remove. And on top of that, its probably the most expensive skill in the game. It costs so much to the point where consecutive casts are simply impossible on normal builds.
Its a support skill which is utilised best by support builds. Aka builds that actually have one main job, to support entire groups. So arguing that everyone should run around with pocket healers is also pure ignorance.
Thank you for proving vapirko's argument is just scrub talk.
I don't think
You coulda stopped there.
Ps. I'm not using sloads and it hasnt been on a death recap of mine in 3 days.
You resort to ad hominem. Nice job. You misread him and you are embarassed. So you must attack me like that. Perhaps you should think more and work on reading comprehension.
Touche, disparage my ad hominem then add your own. Sorry hypocrit but i didnt misread anything. He supplied a whole host of reasons to use purge then erroneously concluded it was only good to slot on a support class.
You did actually misread everything.
Not at all, all the factual information in his post i agree with, his conclusions I do not. His conclusions basically amount scrub talk. New patch, new gear, new meta whick means skills relative value changes.
This whole thread is the classic example of: crybabies dont want to adjust their favorite build to counter the new meta.
Many of us have adjusted and are having no problems dealing with this new set and its lack luster damage.
His post? Dude, you do realise that im the one that made the post right? The entire point of my post was the exact opposite of what you are saying. So yeah, you did misread everything.
Sorry I don't normally take note of who is making all the nerf and whine posts.
Which still has nothing to do with whether you misread the post or not. And in case that its still not clear. You did misread everything.0 -
Dredlord✭✭✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »L2PDoctordarkspawn wrote: »L2P.
Sloads is fine. And necessary.
say that to pvpers like @FENGRUSH or @Gilliamtherogue whom have openly stated that sloads is a horribly implemented set and needs to be deleted, experienced pvpers who know how to play
It’s okay, everyone knows better than people who have been playing this game since launch/are literally invited by the devs to produce input about the game because of how experienced they are/put out some of/the most comprehensive information about eso.
The only consolation atm is that sloads will for sure be nerfed it’s just a matter of when all the people crutchig off it can go back to getting farmed.
I am probably the longest playing console player still on the forums.
Not unless you also played beta and then pc until console release.
I find those players to be PC players that also use console.
I also should have used "one of" (I immediately thought of it after the post) but nah, might as well just post this.
And, my point was, whom is a console only player that has been invited to anything?
We don't even get a class Rep
Its a good point, things are very different on console for being the same game.0 -
Dredlord✭✭✭✭✭IZZEFlameLash wrote: »IZZEFlameLash wrote: »dwemer_paleologist wrote: »use purge, it will remove the dot from sloads.
Stop posting this dumb answer. No class can afford to give up a skill slot just to deal with one set, thereby gimping yourself in ever other fight. I know you and others want to keep your cheap sets because you can’t win otherwise, but it shouldn’t be required to change your build just to deal with one op proc set because a few tryhards finally feel like they can win.L2P
Defending sloads by telling someone to l2p is incredibly ironic.
Stop posting your stupid retort then, every *** build in the game applies dots debuffs and status effects that it is beneficial to purge.
Argueing you have to slot purge for only one set is either pure ignorance or childish whining...
Which is one of the reasons why purge is prety much useless on ur bar unless u are running in a zerg which is precisely what it was designed for which is also precisely why its mostly used in those situations. It removes two negative effects and most of the time you have so many debuffs on you to the point where even if you use it, it may not even remove the debuff you want to actually remove. And on top of that, its probably the most expensive skill in the game. It costs so much to the point where consecutive casts are simply impossible on normal builds.
Its a support skill which is utilised best by support builds. Aka builds that actually have one main job, to support entire groups. So arguing that everyone should run around with pocket healers is also pure ignorance.
Thank you for proving vapirko's argument is just scrub talk.
I don't think
You coulda stopped there.
Ps. I'm not using sloads and it hasnt been on a death recap of mine in 3 days.
You resort to ad hominem. Nice job. You misread him and you are embarassed. So you must attack me like that. Perhaps you should think more and work on reading comprehension.
Touche, disparage my ad hominem then add your own. Sorry hypocrit but i didnt misread anything. He supplied a whole host of reasons to use purge then erroneously concluded it was only good to slot on a support class.
You did actually misread everything.
Not at all, all the factual information in his post i agree with, his conclusions I do not. His conclusions basically amount scrub talk. New patch, new gear, new meta whick means skills relative value changes.
This whole thread is the classic example of: crybabies dont want to adjust their favorite build to counter the new meta.
Many of us have adjusted and are having no problems dealing with this new set and its lack luster damage.
His post? Dude, you do realise that im the one that made the post right? The entire point of my post was the exact opposite of what you are saying. So yeah, you did misread everything.
Sorry I don't normally take note of who is making all the nerf and whine posts.
Which still has nothing to do with whether you misread the post or not. And in case that its still not clear. You did misread everything.
How can you be so sure, please explain.0 -
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Now that's some good self-motivation! I'm happy people notice their own flaws so well!L2PDoctordarkspawn wrote: »L2P.
Sloads is fine. And necessary.
say that to pvpers like @FENGRUSH or @Gilliamtherogue whom have openly stated that sloads is a horribly implemented set and needs to be deleted, experienced pvpers who know how to play
And this. I completely agree. It took me months and months of practice and tons of resources to get to the point where I can say I am an experienced player too. This set is just totally braindead and horribly put into the game, often completely throwing out the window any effort you've put into the game. Where's the play how you want, class/set diversity? Where's the skill in PvP?
It's absolutely hilarious there even are leaderboards at this point since the entire game has become "Who procs what first, wins first". Literally. Even the sets that some use to defend against sloads. Just get rid of it ZOS.
Speaking of Durok's Bane....
I feel like this set would be just fine if it was Minor Defile. It supports everything in a good and balanced way and if you apply Major Defile with it, it serves it's purpose well for a couple seconds. Defile CP needs a nerf into oblivion.Edited by Nyladreas on June 3, 2018 10:42PM0 -
IZZEFlameLash✭✭✭✭✭
✭IZZEFlameLash wrote: »IZZEFlameLash wrote: »dwemer_paleologist wrote: »use purge, it will remove the dot from sloads.
Stop posting this dumb answer. No class can afford to give up a skill slot just to deal with one set, thereby gimping yourself in ever other fight. I know you and others want to keep your cheap sets because you can’t win otherwise, but it shouldn’t be required to change your build just to deal with one op proc set because a few tryhards finally feel like they can win.L2P
Defending sloads by telling someone to l2p is incredibly ironic.
Stop posting your stupid retort then, every *** build in the game applies dots debuffs and status effects that it is beneficial to purge.
Argueing you have to slot purge for only one set is either pure ignorance or childish whining...
Which is one of the reasons why purge is prety much useless on ur bar unless u are running in a zerg which is precisely what it was designed for which is also precisely why its mostly used in those situations. It removes two negative effects and most of the time you have so many debuffs on you to the point where even if you use it, it may not even remove the debuff you want to actually remove. And on top of that, its probably the most expensive skill in the game. It costs so much to the point where consecutive casts are simply impossible on normal builds.
Its a support skill which is utilised best by support builds. Aka builds that actually have one main job, to support entire groups. So arguing that everyone should run around with pocket healers is also pure ignorance.
Thank you for proving vapirko's argument is just scrub talk.
I don't think
You coulda stopped there.
Ps. I'm not using sloads and it hasnt been on a death recap of mine in 3 days.
You resort to ad hominem. Nice job. You misread him and you are embarassed. So you must attack me like that. Perhaps you should think more and work on reading comprehension.
Touche, disparage my ad hominem then add your own. Sorry hypocrit but i didnt misread anything. He supplied a whole host of reasons to use purge then erroneously concluded it was only good to slot on a support class.
You did actually misread everything.
Not at all, all the factual information in his post i agree with, his conclusions I do not. His conclusions basically amount scrub talk. New patch, new gear, new meta whick means skills relative value changes.
This whole thread is the classic example of: crybabies dont want to adjust their favorite build to counter the new meta.
Many of us have adjusted and are having no problems dealing with this new set and its lack luster damage.
His post? Dude, you do realise that im the one that made the post right? The entire point of my post was the exact opposite of what you are saying. So yeah, you did misread everything.
Sorry I don't normally take note of who is making all the nerf and whine posts.
Which still has nothing to do with whether you misread the post or not. And in case that its still not clear. You did misread everything.
How can you be so sure, please explain.
And how are you so full of confidence when the poster himself did say you misread? Goal post moving does not make you right.Imperials, the one and true masters of all mortal races of Tamriel0 -
Ocelot9x✭✭✭✭✭It's normal for zos to promote sets like sload and durok. They need to sell their game to as many people as possible and 80% of cyrodiil is made of not-so-skilled people who prefer to quit PvP instead of getting good after getting 1vX'ed.
The solution is to give those players a way to not feel useless,and durok and sload are the perfect example of this.
So I'm OK with that but the moment you wear one of those sets is like saying to everyone "OK guys,I'm not good like you and I don't want to learn".
I miss the hunding/agility/VMA meta ):1 -
Galalin✭✭✭✭✭The problem with sloads is that it stacks, the damage itself is not off the charts and is purgable not that most do this but the fact remains it can be removed at a high cost. With the amount of proc sets in the game when used in combination with other's like shield breaker, caalurions, plauge sliger, venom, viper etc. and the list goes on its kinda over the top. If you ask me it helps balance out things for newer players but needs to be changed so that it does not stack with other using it. Then if your not able to heal the 900ish dps it becomes a l2p issue on sloads itself (Still would be an addition to the proctard meta though)
As far as Duroks this set has been in the game for some time and there has been some controversy over it but here is my take. Its available to anyone since the stats are kinda crap but the 5 piece is good, ppl who use it are giving up a damage set to reduce the healing of enemies, its kinda balanced out with over performing healing CP passives and major mending bonuses to everything and their dog, Which can somewhat be offset by defile passive (which i feel is also over performing in CP). With how widespread Major defile is on abilities and enchants you are likely to have major defile on you anyways and I think ppl are blaming this set for what they are really seeing which is minor and major defile when used in combination with poisons, thurvokun, fassala's etc.
Just my thoughts on the matter
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Dredlord✭✭✭✭✭IZZEFlameLash wrote: »IZZEFlameLash wrote: »IZZEFlameLash wrote: »dwemer_paleologist wrote: »use purge, it will remove the dot from sloads.
Stop posting this dumb answer. No class can afford to give up a skill slot just to deal with one set, thereby gimping yourself in ever other fight. I know you and others want to keep your cheap sets because you can’t win otherwise, but it shouldn’t be required to change your build just to deal with one op proc set because a few tryhards finally feel like they can win.L2P
Defending sloads by telling someone to l2p is incredibly ironic.
Stop posting your stupid retort then, every *** build in the game applies dots debuffs and status effects that it is beneficial to purge.
Argueing you have to slot purge for only one set is either pure ignorance or childish whining...
Which is one of the reasons why purge is prety much useless on ur bar unless u are running in a zerg which is precisely what it was designed for which is also precisely why its mostly used in those situations. It removes two negative effects and most of the time you have so many debuffs on you to the point where even if you use it, it may not even remove the debuff you want to actually remove. And on top of that, its probably the most expensive skill in the game. It costs so much to the point where consecutive casts are simply impossible on normal builds.
Its a support skill which is utilised best by support builds. Aka builds that actually have one main job, to support entire groups. So arguing that everyone should run around with pocket healers is also pure ignorance.
Thank you for proving vapirko's argument is just scrub talk.
I don't think
You coulda stopped there.
Ps. I'm not using sloads and it hasnt been on a death recap of mine in 3 days.
You resort to ad hominem. Nice job. You misread him and you are embarassed. So you must attack me like that. Perhaps you should think more and work on reading comprehension.
Touche, disparage my ad hominem then add your own. Sorry hypocrit but i didnt misread anything. He supplied a whole host of reasons to use purge then erroneously concluded it was only good to slot on a support class.
You did actually misread everything.
Not at all, all the factual information in his post i agree with, his conclusions I do not. His conclusions basically amount scrub talk. New patch, new gear, new meta whick means skills relative value changes.
This whole thread is the classic example of: crybabies dont want to adjust their favorite build to counter the new meta.
Many of us have adjusted and are having no problems dealing with this new set and its lack luster damage.
His post? Dude, you do realise that im the one that made the post right? The entire point of my post was the exact opposite of what you are saying. So yeah, you did misread everything.
Sorry I don't normally take note of who is making all the nerf and whine posts.
Which still has nothing to do with whether you misread the post or not. And in case that its still not clear. You did misread everything.
How can you be so sure, please explain.
And how are you so full of confidence when the poster himself did say you misread? Goal post moving does not make you right.
Oh ok, when did you notice the goal post move?0 -
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✭✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »L2PDoctordarkspawn wrote: »L2P.
Sloads is fine. And necessary.
say that to pvpers like @FENGRUSH or @Gilliamtherogue whom have openly stated that sloads is a horribly implemented set and needs to be deleted, experienced pvpers who know how to play
It’s okay, everyone knows better than people who have been playing this game since launch/are literally invited by the devs to produce input about the game because of how experienced they are/put out some of/the most comprehensive information about eso.
The only consolation atm is that sloads will for sure be nerfed it’s just a matter of when all the people crutchig off it can go back to getting farmed.
I am probably the longest playing console player still on the forums.
Not unless you also played beta and then pc until console release.
I did1 -
TheTruestKing✭✭✭The lack of mentioning how broke this combo is against medium armor users baffles me. And you reverb=duroks ppl are hilarious. Reverb can be blocked in which defile IS NOT applied. Duroks u can't stop, there is no cleansing it. It's a ONE second CD. A dk armor buff procs duroks. I'm not a dk. But man are they in the gutter now. And those who don't know the math it's dmg + no healing =death. So the duroks is a defensive set arguement is laughable to say the least.
And people who mention burning them haven't done their research. Blob eso mag warden has 40k health and will kill any build this game. PERIOD. YOU ARE NOT BURNING A 40K HEALTH MAJOR PROTECTION MINOR PROTECTION FULL HEAVY MAGDEN. I wore duroks back when reactive trollking transmitation was healing meta and trollking wasn't effected by defile. When crit dmg meant crit healing . When earthgore ball groups cleansed all of cyrodiil. The times have changed Duroks needs changed.
Zaan is honestly meh. The fact u can break tether nullifing the proc is an efficient counter. Sloads uptime needs cut in half or only effects those with damage shields like shieldbreaker. Or make the ticks dodgeable. There is absolutely no reason this set needs to effect medium armor users.
Balance is detrimental to PvP. If you stow your bias and look at the numbers the combination of sets the op mentioned durok sload zaan/skoria is for certain uncounterable. It's all rocks. No more paper. No more scissors. In what world is this balance?Edited by TheTruestKing on July 2, 2018 3:39AM0 -
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✭✭I think ZOS should be looking at what they look into.... Oh, and nerf the nerfs!!!Australian on PS4 NA server.
Everyone's entitled to an opinion.0