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3 proc sets = hate whisper
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✭Just need to add a nasty poison and weapon enchant to hit that coveted 5 star proc..."Stendarr's mercy be upon you, for the vigil has none to spare."3 -
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✭✭✭✭I don't send hate whispers, but if I did, they'd be to people wearing 3 proc sets.Thrice Empress, Forever Scrub9 -
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✭✭✭is the set that starts with "s" perhaps one there is 4+ threads about with people wanting a nerf that zos has failed to respond to aside from keeping people in those threads at least some what civil?2 -
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✭Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Who is the real scrub? The one that Handicaps himself by moral standards or the one that has to rely on proc sets to ever archive a kill, @Turelus Just a general question, since you brought that term into play.
I don't really use proc sets often myself(unless you count illambris, which more often than not I just forget to swap out when going into PvP, but people have to be pretty dumb to die to illambris) but the real scrub in this case is indeed the person who loses. The article has a stinging point...no matter how you play or what you think of proc sets...they exist...adapt or die. Whining about them doesn't change a thing or help you win, do something that does8 -
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✭✭✭✭Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Who is the real scrub? The one that Handicaps himself by moral standards or the one that has to rely on proc sets to ever archive a kill, @Turelus Just a general question, since you brought that term into play.
Absolutely the moral standards handicapper. If I can beat you with one skill, or one play in Madden, or by smashing 1 button in Street Fighter I will. It’s not that I’m not capable of more, I surely am, but if you’re gonna let me beat you with just page one of my playbook I’m not about to use page 2 let alone anything fancifully skillful.
Proc sets might be annoying but as long as they are performing as designed I see no issue. Everyone has the ability to be OP, so have at it.5 -
Neoauspex✭✭✭✭✭
✭I got a message the other day I thought would be a hate whisper (because I killed the same person several times), but he just complemented my combo. That was nice.1 -
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✭✭✭✭THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Who is the real scrub? The one that Handicaps himself by moral standards or the one that has to rely on proc sets to ever archive a kill, @Turelus Just a general question, since you brought that term into play.
Absolutely the moral standards handicapper. If I can beat you with one skill, or one play in Madden, or by smashing 1 button in Street Fighter I will. It’s not that I’m not capable of more, I surely am, but if you’re gonna let me beat you with just page one of my playbook I’m not about to use page 2 let alone anything fancifully skillful.
Proc sets might be annoying but as long as they are performing as designed I see no issue. Everyone has the ability to be OP, so have at it.
I totally understand you and josiahva. And like I said before, I use some proc sets myself.
But let's be honest, sometimes procs really do all the work (especially if you stack 3 of them) and you have nothing to do but to try not do die. I envision a PvP where we all just stand around while watching our procs go off. A little bit decoupled from what's really happening there. If you want to be romantic about it, a 3d strategy game where you simply move your figure and watch him do the rest.1 -
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Right and I am not saying this is a good thing for PvP, we should all want a system based on skill of the player not on sets carrying players but... If you're trying to win under the current system it's a viable way of doing so.Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Who is the real scrub? The one that Handicaps himself by moral standards or the one that has to rely on proc sets to ever archive a kill, Turelus Just a general question, since you brought that term into play.
Absolutely the moral standards handicapper. If I can beat you with one skill, or one play in Madden, or by smashing 1 button in Street Fighter I will. It’s not that I’m not capable of more, I surely am, but if you’re gonna let me beat you with just page one of my playbook I’m not about to use page 2 let alone anything fancifully skillful.
Proc sets might be annoying but as long as they are performing as designed I see no issue. Everyone has the ability to be OP, so have at it.
I totally understand you and josiahva. And like I said before, I use some proc sets myself.
But let's be honest, sometimes procs really do all the work (especially if you stack 3 of them) and you have nothing to do but to try not do die. I envision a PvP where we all just stand around while watching our procs go off. A little bit decoupled from what's really happening there. If you want to be romantic about it, a 3d strategy game where you simply move your figure and watch him do the rest.
As others said, if there was a one shot skill almost everyone would use it and play insta-gib matches because it's the most efficient way to achieve a goal.
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✭Using that many proc sets tells a lot more about the user than a hate whisperer. Pathetic.1 -
Slack✭✭✭✭✭THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Who is the real scrub? The one that Handicaps himself by moral standards or the one that has to rely on proc sets to ever archive a kill, @Turelus Just a general question, since you brought that term into play.
.. If I can beat you with one skill, or one play in Madden, or by smashing 1 button in Street Fighter I will. It’s not that I’m not capable of more...
Everyone who is not capable of more would say exactly thatPC EU
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Hate whispers are like balm on my soul0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Yeah you probably deserve it. There doesn’t need to be a moral code, to each there own, if some want to let the sets do the work for them fine, enjoy, but you’ll rightfully get called out for it and probably hunted down. If i see people using sloads and Zaan I’m BGs they’re immediately on the kill list. I usually try not to hate whisper since what good does that do, but I will single you out.2 -
Syncronaut✭✭✭Personaly if you get a hate wisper, just replay back in a manner that is not offensive.
If person still hate wispers after with insults -- report them.
Unless you are using hacks, then...........0 -
Aznox✭✭✭✭✭Continue using the sets if you're winning and that's your goal.
As long as you're not exploiting or cheating in ways the game developers didn't intend then everything is fair in PvP, those complaining in whispers have just not moved out of the "scrub* mentality" as per link below.
I used to be the same, complain about cheap builds in games, how play by a moral code etc. then complain when others didn't play by my self determined rules, however if you're playing to win you can't play that way.
This link below is one of the most interesting reads and vastly changed my outlook on competitive gaming. You rarely will see me complain about "cheap moves" now because of it.
http://www.sirlin.net/articles/playing-to-winOn the rare times I get the whispers I enjoy them, especially if you don't answer and the person continues to degrade further and further into incoherent ramblings.
This.
I found "feeding" on the hate messages (but never replying), can do me a lot of good.
The single best thing you can do to yourself is to never project your failure on external factors.
Did i just die to Zaan + Sload + Durok + Master Axes ?
- " Damn that's a powerful setup, how can i increase my chances against it ? Should i try those sets ? "
etc..
You need to welcome everything that happens to you and use it to evolve.Edited by Aznox on June 1, 2018 8:59AMAznox
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✭✭✭✭✭Continue using the sets if you're winning and that's your goal.
As long as you're not exploiting or cheating in ways the game developers didn't intend then everything is fair in PvP, those complaining in whispers have just not moved out of the "scrub* mentality" as per link below.
I used to be the same, complain about cheap builds in games, how play by a moral code etc. then complain when others didn't play by my self determined rules, however if you're playing to win you can't play that way.
This link below is one of the most interesting reads and vastly changed my outlook on competitive gaming. You rarely will see me complain about "cheap moves" now because of it.
http://www.sirlin.net/articles/playing-to-win
* before this triggers people and gets mass reports then check the link as I reference that material and don't mean scrub in the common derogative sense it's normally used in.
You fell for OP's trap. It's a reverse psychology thread. They don't actually use any proc sets. They created this thread to passively aggressively whine about proc sets.Edited by MLGProPlayer on June 1, 2018 9:16AM0 -
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*nibbles on the tasty bait* but... it's so good!MLGProPlayer wrote: »Continue using the sets if you're winning and that's your goal.
As long as you're not exploiting or cheating in ways the game developers didn't intend then everything is fair in PvP, those complaining in whispers have just not moved out of the "scrub* mentality" as per link below.
I used to be the same, complain about cheap builds in games, how play by a moral code etc. then complain when others didn't play by my self determined rules, however if you're playing to win you can't play that way.
This link below is one of the most interesting reads and vastly changed my outlook on competitive gaming. You rarely will see me complain about "cheap moves" now because of it.
http://www.sirlin.net/articles/playing-to-win
* before this triggers people and gets mass reports then check the link as I reference that material and don't mean scrub in the common derogative sense it's normally used in.
You fell for OP's trap. It's a reverse psychology thread. They don't actually use any proc sets. They created this thread to passively aggressively whine about proc sets.
@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
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On the rare times I get the whispers I enjoy them, especially if you don't answer and the person continues to degrade further and further into incoherent ramblings. You can also trigger a melt down right at the end by just saying "u mad bro?", childish but funny.Peekachu99 wrote: »Pro tip: WHEN PVPING SET YOUR STATUS TO OFFLINE.
I haven’t had a a hate whisper in years, unless I’ve been dungeoning and forgot to change my status back.
You’re welcome.
I usually respond with “Reported” which triggers them even more2 -
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✭Let's be honest here. If there was a button to give you gear that would make you win every fight and never die...
Everyone would scream remove it.
But everyone would also press it first.
Prove me wrong. This is a stupid discussion. There is no way any human being on this planet would not do such a thing given the opportunity. And If you don't understand what I mean, then you're on your own.
Yep, this is so true lol. But tell me one thing, how could anyone ever win a fight if everyone would have gear that makes them immortal?
"In the end there can be only one."
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✭✭Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Who is the real scrub? The one that Handicaps himself by moral standards or the one that has to rely on proc sets to ever archive a kill, @Turelus Just a general question, since you brought that term into play.
Understand that scrub is a state of mind, not a skill level.0 -
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✭✭✭What? No love for Valkyn, Caluurion, and Flame Blossom? (My proc mDK loves this)
Psssh. I guess I need to swap FB for Sload to get on the hate train.Want to enjoy the game more? Try both PvP (crybabies) and PvE (carebears). You'll get a better perspective on everyone's opinion.
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Tyreal1974✭✭✭✭Why would anyone not use legitimate equipment to help win a fight? Not using the most effective equipment available to the player is like not using the book in an open book test!
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✭✭✭✭Tyreal1974 wrote: »Why would anyone not use legitimate equipment to help win a fight? Not using the most effective equipment available to the player is like not using the book in an open book test!
Ye, sure. But don't come here one day and wonder that this game is now "who procs first?" instead of "who's better?".2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭So am I the only one who sends gratz to the ones that killed me 1v1 no matter what? O_o It's just a game, I prefer to make friends here, not enemies
(the only exception are shieldbreaker users, I won't gratulate them clicking one button). Say no to Toxic Casuals!
I am doing my best, but I am not a native speaker, sorry.
"Difficulty scaling is desperately needed. 9 years. 6 paid expansions. 24 DLCs. 40 game changing updates including A Realm Reborn-tier overhaul of the game including a permanent CP160 gear cap and ridiculous power creep thereafter. I'm sick and tired of hearing about Cadwell Silver&Gold as a "you think you do but you don't"-tier deflection to any criticism regarding the lack of overland difficulty in the game." - @AlexanderDeLarge0 -
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✭Continue using the sets if you're winning and that's your goal.
As long as you're not exploiting or cheating in ways the game developers didn't intend then everything is fair in PvP, those complaining in whispers have just not moved out of the "scrub* mentality" as per link below.
I used to be the same, complain about cheap builds in games, how play by a moral code etc. then complain when others didn't play by my self determined rules, however if you're playing to win you can't play that way.
This link below is one of the most interesting reads and vastly changed my outlook on competitive gaming. You rarely will see me complain about "cheap moves" now because of it.
http://www.sirlin.net/articles/playing-to-win
* before this triggers people and gets mass reports then check the link as I reference that material and don't mean scrub in the common derogative sense it's normally used in.
ehhhhhh its kind of a biased view to be honest. At least from what i've read in the link.
It comes across as being written by someone who used things others considered skilless and thus has experience in being on the other end.
I agree with you despite how I feel about the state of the game, use whatever you want or do whatever you need to win.
HOWEVER skill is measured in the ability to outplay your opponent but depending on how you define the word "outplay" it doesn't necessarily mean that by equipping a broken set you are outplaying them. The set is doing that not the player.
Players will combine abilities too maximise damage and CC while simultaneously trying to ensure the opponent cannot react appropriately in time thus being outplayed. This is why people hate proc sets. It doesn't require any kind of use of intellect beyond a little bit of math. You can press buttons and it procs. I remember when selenes first came out...that was fun - Everyone was quick to call themselves "skillful" but when it was used against them? NOPE. "Noob" "trash player".
Its an interesting social dynamic to be sure but skill exists generally in and outside games. How people define it determines how its view and reacted too.
REGARDLESS, playing to win is one thing but there is no competitive pvp in this game and nobody is paid to play or be "professionals" and thus there is no said environment for fair competition and so "playing too win" will be "cheap" until things change. The only time in this game skill actually exists generally is without proc sets. But the game isn't balanced for it so ultimately its irrelevant.Ah, e-communities - the "pinnacle" of the internet............yeah, right.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭The point in any battle, be it a game or real is I live and the enemy dies.
I will use any means necessary within the rules that the game developers established to do that.
Here is a list of all the skills or sets that have come along that someone thought was OP at one time or another
Vicious Death
Destro Ult
Zaan
Earthgore
VIper
Valkyn Skoria
Malubeth
Radiant Destruction
Snipe
Incapcitating Strike
Dawnbreaker
Veledreth
Im sure I can name others, these were just what came to mind quickly
Any one of these were used my many people if it was to their advantage.
Edited by Katahdin on June 2, 2018 6:22PMBeta tester November 20130
