My sincere apologies to everyone for saying Sload is fine. This has to STOP. NOW.

templesus · June 2018

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Nyladreas wrote: »

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Sload's should have been 9 traits AND magicka only.

They never should have put stamina and weapon damage bonuses on it. Builds that are already overpowered to begin with are running it the most. If it had been magicka only, at least it would have been balanced against stam builds who already have Shield Breaker.

How would this be any different? You'd have the exact same results anyway. Magicka set or not... What, you actually naively believe that people would give up so much free unmitigated damage for a bunch of underperforming stamina attributes? Get out...

Even if Magicka only users used it in your perfect world, you'd still be dying from every MagSorc, MagBlade or what have you in the exact same fashion.

Magicka builds don't have bleeds and all the other overpowered mechanics Stamina has. I don't mind fighting Magicka builds with Sload's because they can't damage me any faster than I can damage them. At least it's a fair fight! Stamina builds, on the other hand, simply do more damage in less time. Sload's just exacerbates the existing imbalance between Stamina and Magicka.

That's just a L2P issue.

Anne_Firehawk · June 2018

Looks like a stamina problem to me, once again.

Sky_WK · June 2018

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

if a group of 4 people hit me with attacks i usually die, it does not mean that they are over powered, it means a group of people killed me.

Alot of skilled players who have been playing the game longer can outplay a group of 4 and kill all of them, this set takes that opportunity away.

srfrogg23 · June 2018

pteam wrote: »

SkillzMFG wrote: »

srfrogg23 wrote: »

I hope they only nerf it in PvP. Tired of PvE being nerfed because of PvP...

Who the HELL would EVER use Sloads in PvE?

Lol apparently srfrogg23!!

I was thinking about playing around with it. Sure, it could use a bit of a buff, but I don’t think it would be totally useless. Like I said earlier, it’s practically free damage that’s unmitigated. Nothing to sneeze at there.

ParaNostram · June 2018

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Woahkay, I had not seen actual numbers.

5K per second? Thaaaaat's broken.

I FORMALLY RETRACT MY OBJECTIONS, THAT'S FRIGGIN' TRASH BRO.

Bro it isn't 5k for second bro, that is the end total for all the tics from that singular proc brah

Gilvoth · June 2018

Sky_WK wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

if a group of 4 people hit me with attacks i usually die, it does not mean that they are over powered, it means a group of people killed me.

Alot of skilled players who have been playing the game longer can outplay a group of 4 and kill all of them, this set takes that opportunity away.

allowing everyone to have fun instead of just a few elite is a good thing, not a bad thing.

ezio45 · June 2018

srfrogg23 wrote: »

I hope they only nerf it in PvP. Tired of PvE being nerfed because of PvP...

its only effective in pvp, there are better sets for pve

Shadowmaster · June 2018

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Woahkay, I had not seen actual numbers.

5K per second? Thaaaaat's broken.

I FORMALLY RETRACT MY OBJECTIONS, THAT'S FRIGGIN' TRASH BRO.

Its not 5k per second. Its a death log of 5 people all proccing it on him.

The problem is its cooldown. All they have to do is make the cooldown a global one that maxes out every 15s and the entire *** fest goes away.

PainfulFAFA · June 2018

Not only that, whats really broken about Sloads is that while the effect lasts for the 6 seconds... the COOLDOWN is also 6 seconds... which means by the time it finishes doing its 5-6k unmitigatable damage, another proc is ready to take effect...

NyassaV · June 2018

srfrogg23 wrote: »

I hope they only nerf it in PvP. Tired of PvE being nerfed because of PvP...

troll post right?

DuskMarine · June 2018

Nyladreas wrote: »

[ZOS: PLEASE, DO NOT MOVE THIS TO PVP AGAIN IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO COMMENT. THIS HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP A 100 TIMES BEFORE ME, AND YOU ALWAYS MOVE IT TO PVP SECTION WITHOUT A SINGLE COMMENT, WHICH QUITE HONESTLY IS A HUGE IF NOT GIANT MIDDLE FINGER TO EVERYONE WHO WANTS TO SEE YOUR INPUT ON THIS ISSUE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH - A CONCERNED CUSTOMER.]

Pix:
This really isn't fun

Other pictures from PVP section:

Pictures: courtesy of Edziu & mikegundy.

I was one of those players saying Sload's is fine in the last couple of days... Seeing as it never ever has done much harm to me... Until recently.

Me saying this... was me never encountering what I'm about to share here... This is absolutely ridiculous and completely gamebreaking in Battlegrounds.

Not only that but this has completely destroyed PVP as it is. Nowadays everyone just runs the same proc set, over and over and over and there is absolutely no room for skill or even variety.

This right here has officialy, today, made me want to stop playing. Simply because there is nothing fun in this, there is nothing interesting, nothing new. It's all get a different set and hope Sload's doesn't proc. Actually... This has now become a game of... who procs what first, wins first.

Any of you care to tell me how would you play in a situation like this? Even as a max health recovery tank I can't see you surviving this. It's NOT JUST Sload. Keep in mind that players get to attack you at the same time as this keeps ticking. My sincere apologies again for ever daring to say that this set was just fine and that you can build around it.

EDIT: On another note, while in this situation multiple opponents use this set. I have more than a 100 times seen this proc over 3 times in a row from just one person. It's the fact that all incoming damage procs this, direct, aoe, dot, anything. This can literally proc 2 times from a single light attack and a single dot. Not to mention it's supposed to be 10%, yet it procs like if it was 50% due to all the effects that can stack up, that activate it.

ZOS, some words on this would be nice.

heres the thing sloads is 100% fine. its not viper period so honestly its fine its trash. im more worried about time stop

NyassaV · June 2018

I want this sh!t fixed in time for midyear mayhem

Troneon · June 2018

PainfulFAFA wrote: »

Not only that, whats really broken about Sloads is that while the effect lasts for the 6 seconds... the COOLDOWN is also 6 seconds... which means by the time it finishes doing its 5-6k unmitigatable damage, another proc is ready to take effect...

The 100% uptime is what is broken yes, you cleanse it and it goes right back on...but what is also broken in the amount of unmitigated damage due to it being oblivion damage.

Oblivion Damage is also broken, is should be bypasses 50% or something not 100% of all defense...or it should not exist at all, no damage should bypass everything about someones build and defense....

That being said shield stacking and insane healing has brought the sloads problem on in the first place......which has always been broken....

You see a pattern here? ZOS NOT TAKING CARE OF BALLANCE AND USING BAND AID FIXES BY ADDING MORE BROKEN THINGS...

Even after PTS telling them ....it's broken...

They also need to stop trying to ballance pvp the same as pve, it is screwing both up....just stop. SPLIT THEM UP, it is what Guild Wars 1 did and other games, they had a PVP Version of a skill and a PVE Version of a skill.....

CrazYDunm3r · June 2018

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

Sky_WK wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

if a group of 4 people hit me with attacks i usually die, it does not mean that they are over powered, it means a group of people killed me.

Alot of skilled players who have been playing the game longer can outplay a group of 4 and kill all of them, this set takes that opportunity away.

allowing everyone to have fun instead of just a few elite is a good thing, not a bad thing.

Sorry, I have ignored your ignorant posts before but it has come to a point where it is no longer imaginable that you are not trolling.

My man, people that invest a lot of time and dedication in this game to excel in PvP should be praised, not looked down upon. From your posts in history you would like this game to be a dice roll in PvP. I just don't get it? Those who have the ability to kill more people should get that, because they are simply much better. I suggest you really think about other people their vision of balance, because yours is so boring and involves no skill at all. I'm glad, really glad, people don't listen to you at all.

Gilvoth · June 2018

Troneon wrote: »

PainfulFAFA wrote: »

Not only that, whats really broken about Sloads is that while the effect lasts for the 6 seconds... the COOLDOWN is also 6 seconds... which means by the time it finishes doing its 5-6k unmitigatable damage, another proc is ready to take effect...

The 100% uptime is what is broken yes, you cleanse it and it goes right back on...but what is also broken in the amount of unmitigated damage due to it being oblivion damage.

Oblivion Damage is also broken, is should be bypasses 50% or something not 100% of all defense...

6 second cool down means it cannot do that.
and in addition to that it only has a 10% proc chance.

Sload’s Semblance
LEVEL 50 - CP 160
Type Craftable
Set bonus
(2 items) 1096 Maximum Magicka
(3 items) 1096 Maximum Stamina
(4 items) 129 Spell Damage - 129 Weapon Damage
(5 items) Damaging an enemy has a 10% chance to put a Leeching Shadow on them, dealing 853 Oblivion Damage every 1 second for 6 seconds. This effect can occur every 6 seconds.

ezio45 · June 2018

MaddPowered wrote: »

Sloads is fine... And you can purge it. So stop complaining lol

QUIT DEFENDING THIS OBVIOUSLY BROKEN SET

Silver_Strider · June 2018

Nice pics OP. Now show me one of 3 Zaan Procs on you with a Caluurion’s Legacy proc thrown in for good measure.

Gilvoth · June 2018

CrazYDunm3r wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

Sky_WK wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

if a group of 4 people hit me with attacks i usually die, it does not mean that they are over powered, it means a group of people killed me.

Alot of skilled players who have been playing the game longer can outplay a group of 4 and kill all of them, this set takes that opportunity away.

allowing everyone to have fun instead of just a few elite is a good thing, not a bad thing.

Sorry, I have ignored your ignorant posts before but it has come to a point where it is no longer imaginable that you are not trolling.

My man, people that invest a lot of time and dedication in this game to excel in PvP should be praised, not looked down upon. From your posts in history you would like this game to be a dice roll in PvP. I just don't get it? Those who have the ability to kill more people should get that, because they are simply much better. I suggest you really think about other people their vision of balance, because yours is so boring and involves no skill at all. I'm glad, really glad, people don't listen to you at all.

for about 5 years that has been the case. nothing stays the same forever.
every patch we see new sets and new changes and we have to change our playstyles and our builds to suit those changes.
elite players should be exampt from that?
like i mentioned earlier, nothing wrong with allowing everyone a fair chance to have fun instead of just a few.
allow us all a chance to share the fun and PvP along side the others instead of just instant death.

Troneon · June 2018

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

Troneon wrote: »

PainfulFAFA wrote: »

Not only that, whats really broken about Sloads is that while the effect lasts for the 6 seconds... the COOLDOWN is also 6 seconds... which means by the time it finishes doing its 5-6k unmitigatable damage, another proc is ready to take effect...

The 100% uptime is what is broken yes, you cleanse it and it goes right back on...but what is also broken in the amount of unmitigated damage due to it being oblivion damage.

Oblivion Damage is also broken, is should be bypasses 50% or something not 100% of all defense...

6 second cool down means it cannot do that.
and in addition to that it only has a 10% proc chance.

Sload’s Semblance
LEVEL 50 - CP 160
Type Craftable
Set bonus
(2 items) 1096 Maximum Magicka
(3 items) 1096 Maximum Stamina
(4 items) 129 Spell Damage - 129 Weapon Damage
(5 items) Damaging an enemy has a 10% chance to put a Leeching Shadow on them, dealing 853 Oblivion Damage every 1 second for 6 seconds. This effect can occur every 6 seconds.

Then it is not working as intended because it for sure has 100% up time especially in battlegrounds....it re applies almost instantly...

Gilvoth · June 2018

Troneon wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

Troneon wrote: »

PainfulFAFA wrote: »

Not only that, whats really broken about Sloads is that while the effect lasts for the 6 seconds... the COOLDOWN is also 6 seconds... which means by the time it finishes doing its 5-6k unmitigatable damage, another proc is ready to take effect...

The 100% uptime is what is broken yes, you cleanse it and it goes right back on...but what is also broken in the amount of unmitigated damage due to it being oblivion damage.

Oblivion Damage is also broken, is should be bypasses 50% or something not 100% of all defense...

6 second cool down means it cannot do that.
and in addition to that it only has a 10% proc chance.

Sload’s Semblance
LEVEL 50 - CP 160
Type Craftable
Set bonus
(2 items) 1096 Maximum Magicka
(3 items) 1096 Maximum Stamina
(4 items) 129 Spell Damage - 129 Weapon Damage
(5 items) Damaging an enemy has a 10% chance to put a Leeching Shadow on them, dealing 853 Oblivion Damage every 1 second for 6 seconds. This effect can occur every 6 seconds.

Then it is not working as intended because it for sure has 100% up time especially in battlegrounds....it re applies almost instantly...

that is because you are fighting four people and all four of them are wearing the set.

Doctordarkspawn · June 2018

Solariken wrote: »

srfrogg23 wrote: »

I hope they only nerf it in PvP. Tired of PvE being nerfed because of PvP...

Why in Tamriel would you ever use this in PvE?

If it's puting out those numbers? Un-mitigatable damage that basicly just resets full time?

I might.

Konstant_Tel_Necris · June 2018

Cadbury wrote: »

TelvanniWizard wrote: »

The deal with this set it´s like what happened with warden class. Sload´s semblance is brokenly op beacuse it comes with the new dlc. Once the sells start going down, it will be nerfed.

So this is Mechanical Acuity 2.0?

Or Black Rose.

Troneon · June 2018

TelvanniWizard wrote: »

The deal with this set it´s like what happened with warden class. Sload´s semblance is brokenly op beacuse it comes with the new dlc. Once the sells start going down, it will be nerfed.

EXACTLY THIS ^^ Same with IC and Black Rose..

Doctordarkspawn · June 2018

ParaNostram wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Woahkay, I had not seen actual numbers.

5K per second? Thaaaaat's broken.

I FORMALLY RETRACT MY OBJECTIONS, THAT'S FRIGGIN' TRASH BRO.

Bro it isn't 5k for second bro, that is the end total for all the tics from that singular proc brah

Couple of different things on that. People saying it's total procs, people saying it's all procs at once.

With -that- in mind, though, maybe a little calibration so that multiple people cant put shadows on one guy, and I think it'd be fine if it's that happening.

Gilvoth · June 2018

how is this any different then 4 people all casting thier ultimates on you at the exact same time.

zyk · June 2018

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

how is this any different then 4 people all casting thier ultimates on you at the exact same time.

For one thing because coordinating ults takes timing and coordination and for another sets like Sload are used in conjunction with ults.

The fundamental problem with proc damage sets is that they allow for far more burst than what would be possible with ordinary set bonuses and they don't trigger the GCD so players can combo at the same time. Every experienced PVP player should understand the significance of damage that can be layered.

Not only can this damage be layered, it is nearly completely thoughtless. But that's the point, I think.

The gameplay resulting from these sets is garbage. I've experimented with some and beyond the cheap thrill of stupidly easy kills, they were completely unfulfilling.

Yubarius · June 2018

I'm so sick and tired of getting destroyed by mag dk's with Zaan AND Sloads. Literally melting people down in the most unskillful way possible, these 2 sets on their own carry bad players, but together is the scourge of this game.

ezio45 · June 2018

DuskMarine wrote: »

Nyladreas wrote: »

[ZOS: PLEASE, DO NOT MOVE THIS TO PVP AGAIN IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO COMMENT. THIS HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP A 100 TIMES BEFORE ME, AND YOU ALWAYS MOVE IT TO PVP SECTION WITHOUT A SINGLE COMMENT, WHICH QUITE HONESTLY IS A HUGE IF NOT GIANT MIDDLE FINGER TO EVERYONE WHO WANTS TO SEE YOUR INPUT ON THIS ISSUE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH - A CONCERNED CUSTOMER.]

Pix:
This really isn't fun

Other pictures from PVP section:

Pictures: courtesy of Edziu & mikegundy.

I was one of those players saying Sload's is fine in the last couple of days... Seeing as it never ever has done much harm to me... Until recently.

Me saying this... was me never encountering what I'm about to share here... This is absolutely ridiculous and completely gamebreaking in Battlegrounds.

Not only that but this has completely destroyed PVP as it is. Nowadays everyone just runs the same proc set, over and over and over and there is absolutely no room for skill or even variety.

This right here has officialy, today, made me want to stop playing. Simply because there is nothing fun in this, there is nothing interesting, nothing new. It's all get a different set and hope Sload's doesn't proc. Actually... This has now become a game of... who procs what first, wins first.

Any of you care to tell me how would you play in a situation like this? Even as a max health recovery tank I can't see you surviving this. It's NOT JUST Sload. Keep in mind that players get to attack you at the same time as this keeps ticking. My sincere apologies again for ever daring to say that this set was just fine and that you can build around it.

EDIT: On another note, while in this situation multiple opponents use this set. I have more than a 100 times seen this proc over 3 times in a row from just one person. It's the fact that all incoming damage procs this, direct, aoe, dot, anything. This can literally proc 2 times from a single light attack and a single dot. Not to mention it's supposed to be 10%, yet it procs like if it was 50% due to all the effects that can stack up, that activate it.

ZOS, some words on this would be nice.

heres the thing sloads is 100% fine. its not viper period so honestly its fine its trash. im more worried about time stop

no its not viper, its not even old viper, because BOTH of those hit you for LESS than sloads does

RedRook · June 2018

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

how is this any different then 4 people all casting thier ultimates on you at the exact same time.

Casting an ultimate costs a GCD and a bunch of ultimate and you can't do it every second, or reapply it if it's purged.

Gilvoth · June 2018

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