Honestly, the biggest thing that frustrates me as a healer, is the lack of content outside of trials where we are needed. In fact, in most cases, excluding a healer from the group makes a number of the content EASIER. That should not be the case. Running 3dps 1tank shouldn't make things easier cause you can simply burn through mechanics. I enjoy healing and support, and I enjoy dungeons. But I unfortunately are not needed nor even wanted most of the time in them. Give healers more of a role in the game other than just trials. I don't know how this can be addressed of course, with the amount of self healing and mitigation everyone has these days, but that's what this program is about, right?

Defile is too strong atm, with the scaling in cp tree some players can basicly shut down a players healing specially if someone doesnt run with minor or major mending/vitality. At the moment someone who chooses not to run with high defile in their builds is grossly disadvantaged vs someone that does. This needs to be balanced better.

There are only 3 types of healers in PVP ...

1 - The PVE player spamming heals to level vigor.
2 - The super hardcore 24 man group healer who essentially stands in the middle of his teammates while they cast a dozen destro ultimates.
3 - The 95% of people in between these 2 extremes who pretty much have to decide to either contribute nothing in a fight aside from blindly spamming heals into a blob of 200 or people who gave up on that and simply heal themselves.

Cyrodiil is an extremely unfriendly environment for non grouped up healers. There are only so many resources to go around - I get it - but the healing middle class has essentially become a class of people who just heal themselves and then you if you’re lucky. A boost to things like Breath of Life (nerfed to the ground) without causing a game breaking side effect by using an exploitable percentage based increase would help quite a bit.

Only got one: Templar Healer being the only "viable" option for end game pve. Templar got both the best single target panic heal with BoL, and sustain assistance for groupmembers with shards. Orbs spam is good, but shards gives both mag and stam back. And other classes has good HoT's and AoE heals, but got nothing near as good of a "panic heal" as BoL. The other classes doesnt need more HoT's to be able to compare, they need more support or an equally good burst heal as BoL.

1: Group utility and synergies. To make healers essential their needs to be more incentive to bring a healer along. As stated earlier survival isn't a huge problem in end game PVE so healers need to bring more to the table than just healing. I think the most logical method is through additional buffs that healers provide that help with damage / sustain or in PVP snare removal / movement buffs.
2: Sets I would like to see more diversity and especially in specific situations and on specific classes. Frankly I like the idea of more unique buffs like worm. Maybe a set that buffed group fire damage or something.

Greevir wrote: »

Honestly, the biggest thing that frustrates me as a healer, is the lack of content outside of trials where we are needed. In fact, in most cases, excluding a healer from the group makes a number of the content EASIER. That should not be the case. Running 3dps 1tank shouldn't make things easier cause you can simply burn through mechanics. I enjoy healing and support, and I enjoy dungeons. But I unfortunately are not needed nor even wanted most of the time in them. Give healers more of a role in the game other than just trials. I don't know how this can be addressed of course, with the amount of self healing and mitigation everyone has these days, but that's what this program is about, right?

This! Make healers needed in all group content please.

My other big pain point is the lack of rewards for healers in battlegrounds and pvp in general.

the fact that just yesterday we did the hm dailies with 4 stam dds (imp city 3 stam and 1 tank) with only one running vigor and the rest with extra fighters guild skills to buff damage, is unsettling

^ dk obsidian shard heals for basically the same amount, and you'll aready have bosses in your reticle for ele drain

Kadoin wrote: »

SonH95 wrote: »

Only got one: Templar Healer being the only "viable" option for end game pve. Templar got both the best single target panic heal with BoL, and sustain assistance for groupmembers with shards. Orbs spam is good, but shards gives both mag and stam back. And other classes has good HoT's and AoE heals, but got nothing near as good of a "panic heal" as BoL. The other classes doesnt need more HoT's to be able to compare, they need more support or an equally good burst heal as BoL.

What? Have you used NB's "burst heal?" I swear that heal is far stronger than BoL. You can't target yourself, but it costs HP, the hp debuff damage is a joke, and it heals for a very high amount (I swear it seems more than BoL). I'm surprised people aren't complaining about that yet...it seems to have been buffed massively after the PTS. But I guess it needs time to sink in..and for the Templars to start complaining.

Shhhhhh!

1. Healers aren't actually required for a lot of content. I've done dungeons easily with one tank and three DPS, everybody just healed themselves through dmg and/or tank kept people alive through just general buffs. in order to make healers more relevant somehow the capacity of the heals received by a healer must be at least marginally better than just ordinary upkeep heals by non-healers.
2. If in a large group the healer may provide an essential role to a large group, in say Imperial City WB fighting, but if the number in the group is over twelve the healer doesn't get anything. This penalizes the healer and support players in general.

A bit frustrating and quite boring is to read all the time that a healer has to wear SPC plus wield a destro Staff just for leeching minor magicka to everyone around. You participated in creation of this "supporting model for healers", bad in my opinion, and are responsible for solution. It also created a kind of ostracism for a person who doesn't follow the only proper model...

The only way that Healers will be relevant is for mechanics to make them relevant.
I'm thinking something along the lines of a Major Defile debuff on steroids that make it physically impossible to self heal or shield through it. It would apply to everyone that isn't flagged as the Healer with the debuff while an AoE attack is going out that will instantly OHKO anyone that isn't at full health before the next cast goes off.

Granted, that's an extreme scenario and even then, some Vigor hero will come along and make them irrelevant again but at least it's something.

Imo we need more class identity healing. Every class should have its own approach to healing. What i mean:
Templar: cleanse, resource restoration. A good all-around healer
Warden: then buff healer. More buff, more hots, less big heals than templar
DK: a shield healer, with a more proactive approach than other healers
NB: they have many themes but none of them is explored very much imho. A NB healer can be have a focus n hots, debuff, damage or sacrificing their own health for the group.
Sorc: idk the class very well honestly. Maybe the sustain healer?

ascan7 wrote: »

Imo we need more class identity healing. Every class should have its own approach to healing. What i mean:
Templar: cleanse, resource restoration. A good all-around healer
Warden: then buff healer. More buff, more hots, less big heals than templar
DK: a shield healer, with a more proactive approach than other healers
NB: they have many themes but none of them is explored very much imho. A NB healer can be have a focus n hots, debuff, damage or sacrificing their own health for the group.
Sorc: idk the class very well honestly. Maybe the sustain healer?

You almsot have the right idea but the differences between the 5 healers needs to be thematic and in HOW they perform viable healing.

The reality is simply that this isnt a game with a vast array of applicable roles to fill in a given group. You have tanks damage dealers and healers. There is little wiggle room for variable forms of exclusive support. Meaning the second you give one healer exclusivr access to the best form of resource restoration, they will by default become the mandatory healer simply becuase of how eso group play is designed.

People like to preach how taking that unique aspect away from templar was a practice in homogenization, but the truth is, templars had a monopoly on the role for a very long time. I dont see any reason to return to that time.

Classes should be able to perfom in all roles, more specifically, zos needs to establish the foundation for what a healer is expected to provide a group in end game, then make sure those tools are made available in various different ways, whether its a templars shards, which are faster, more accurate but limited in how many can make use of it per cast, vs undaunted's orbs, which while slower, had a larger application range for which it can effect many targets without dropping as much time healing. These are the kinds of contrasts and design philosphies that work best and need to be further enforced. A dk healer should be able to emphasize shields since that is still under the mantra of damage mitigation and mechanically fufills the same purpose and healing does while making the DK healer actually PLAY fundamentally different from the others since they would get the most mileage out of anticipating damage spikes and playong around that vs reacting to damage. NBs could operate under the juggling act of just how many forms of health cost heals they can endure while maintaining hot uptime, again a different dynamic but fufills the role.