Has the Ebb and Flow of Cyrodiil Changed?

Koolio · May 2018

How has the scroll and Defensive Ticks effected PC Cyrodiil. Are fights in different places because of scrolls?

Do people defend keeps more?
Are people rushing to the outposts after defending?
Are people defending scrolls more?

DeadlyRecluse · May 2018

I haven't noticed any impact from the scroll points change, nor has the point value even come up as a factor in the decision making process in any groups I've been in. Scroll fights are still fun, when they work out, but I haven't noticed any kind of ZOMG GOTTA GET SCROLLS attitude. I don't generally roll with groups overly concerned with campaign score, though.

The ability to leave keeps after defending is fantastic. It's mainly just that now you can go clean up resources after a successful defense rather than that people are riding straight off to the next objective, but I've definitely been in situations where I've busted tail to get to a flagged outpost rather than waiting at the adjacent, defended keep for the tick. That's super nice.

frozywozy · May 2018

It is definitely more challenging to run around the emp keeps ring with a scroll than it was prior of the change. It creates alot more aggro and good fights. I like the change personally.

Biro123 · June 2018

It's made me completely give up on the campaign..

I now play much, much less and just go where the 'fun fights' are.

Beardimus · June 2018

Biro123 wrote: »

It's made me completely give up on the campaign..

I now play much, much less and just go where the 'fun fights' are.

Whys that @Biro123? Just intruiged as i feel that's the case currently on console. Vivec is an AP / action farm as opposed to a campaign goal push.

I hoped the changes would alter that.

White wabbit · June 2018

Beardimus wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

It's made me completely give up on the campaign..

I now play much, much less and just go where the 'fun fights' are.

Whys that @Biro123? Just intruiged as i feel that's the case currently on console. Vivec is an AP / action farm as opposed to a campaign goal push.

I hoped the changes would alter that.

Sadly it's Dc getting farmed

Nermy · June 2018

The scroll points changes have meant that AD are even FURTHER ahead on Vivec [EU]. This make everyone play for the campaign even less now and just look for fights.

Shame but I can't see me playing ESO PvP after next year when Camelot Unchained comes out.

dtsharples · June 2018

Yeah its just 2 people / guilds who have ruined Vivec EU for everyone.

If you wanted to morning cap you should have gone to an empty campaign like everyone else - not ruin the last busy, viable, competitive campaign on Cyrodiil PC EU.
You are the single most reason that Cyrodiil in every campaign is a total joke now.
You should be ashamed of yourselves.

Biro123 · June 2018

Beardimus wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

It's made me completely give up on the campaign..

I now play much, much less and just go where the 'fun fights' are.

Whys that @Biro123? Just intruiged as i feel that's the case currently on console. Vivec is an AP / action farm as opposed to a campaign goal push.

I hoped the changes would alter that.

What Nermy said.

The morning cappers in PC EU have been AD for 2 years now. They have won every single campaing bar one over the last 2 years because they have a team on early in the morning when nobody else is online - which takes every red and blue keep and scrolls. They then have a large group defending them which massively outnumbers anyone else until around lunchtime when it becomes a fairly even fight.. But since it takes so long with opposition to make that ground back, by the time primetime comes around, AD have already scored most of the points available for the day (and are often still scoring more)

Many of us were hoping that the scoring changes would reduce the benefit of this morning capping. But instead, they make scrolls worth 10 points rather than 1. So the morning cappers get all the scrolls, and now have a much, much bigger score each tick compared to everyone else.. And scrolls being scrolls, it takes much, much longer to get them back than it does keeps.. So its many, many times worse than it ever was.

It makes it completely pointless to play the campaign because we all know the result before we start. As it stands on Vivec, AD have almost double the points of DC and EP. DC and EP are fairly close together.. and every primetime, AD get hammered back to their scroll gates - yet they still win by a mile.... Pointless. Completely pointless. So more and more, good players are instead forming small groups to go out and just farm/find 'fun fights' / troll people (mostly soloers).. And more and more it completely kills my playstyle of solo but paying for the campaign.

I honestly was ignoring Camelot unchained before this patch - now I'm paying attention to it - while playing single-player games again..

NBrookus · June 2018

Have you considered switching en masse to one of EU's other campaigns?

dtsharples · June 2018

Well Shor is also ruined ^ It's now an Emp trading campaign because a lot of disgruntled EP + DC moved there from Vivec due to the morning cap.
The only AD you find there are the pretty decent ones who prefer not to Zerg, so that's nice.
But the map there + scoring is also totally one-sided bullshiz.

The other campaigns are totally empty all day long - so moving en-mass to there would just be dominating another empty map.

The actions of a very small number of people have ruined PVP for the majority.

Biro123 · June 2018

dtsharples wrote: »

Well Shor is also ruined ^ It's now an Emp trading campaign because a lot of disgruntled EP + DC moved there from Vivec due to the morning cap.
The only AD you find there are the pretty decent ones who prefer not to Zerg, so that's nice.
But the map there + scoring is also totally one-sided bullshiz.

The other campaigns are totally empty all day long - so moving en-mass to there would just be dominating another empty map.

The actions of a very small number of people have ruined PVP for the majority.

/Agree.
It isn't about winning - so switching server to woodcap + zerg a few small groups isn't any good. What PVP needs is large-scale, objective-based combat with EVEN opposition - and the feeling that your actions contribute towards the chance of winning the campaign.

ezio45 · June 2018

they need to remove scrolls and emp lol i was already sick off people chasing scrolls and leaving keeps empty, now that scrolls are worth something its worst

TBois · June 2018

I think the ebb and flow has changed in cyrodiil more due to the new quests. They gave real incentive to do those quests with the Triune jewlery tarit research rings dropping from there. Now even those, who wouldn't normally jump into a zerg, see that the zerg may take a keep. There is a quests that requires three keeps taken. So they jump in with the group or large amount of pugs to help take the keep. I have been a part of some epic keep defenses that I haven't seen the likes of in a while, but the server still can't handle the saturated population of those battles. I've also seen groups (8+) come to take back resources more than usual, probably trying to finish the 9 resources as a group.