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Anazasi · May 2018

Maybe it would be better to have all the resources be worth 0 pts. Its enough that they are needed for transit and now holding at least 1 increases defense siege and of course they all contribute to defense ticks. Isn't that enough for players to see the value? Having them contribute pts to the campaign score just encourages hourly flipping for pts.

Vilestride · May 2018

What do you think of the idea that instead of simple being worth 1 point a resource added to the factions score who controls it, the resources instead add to the value of the keep they're attached to. So for example an AD keep with all EP resorces would be worth lets just say 1 point. But if all resources of that keep were under AD control the keep would be worth say 4 points. (Keep in mind i think this change is best coupled with changing the values of various objectives but lets leave that aside for now)

The primary benigits of this change is that it means taking recourses doesnt actually increase your factions score (unless you also capture the keep). instead it effectively refuces the enemies score. This would mean we would see less of the behaviour where the leading 2 factions simply attemp to outscore one another by capping the weakest factions stuff faster than the other can. But rather it would mean to start outscoring the leading faction or the faction most threatening to you, you would have to actually target that faction.

I beleive this would go a lomg way to improving the scoring system in regards to resources.

Anazasi · May 2018

It's possible that might have an impact on the top 2 faction scoring but it doesn't really help the 3rd place faction. Making the resources worth 0 pts means factions have to push keep super structures for pts instead of bleeding an already hemorrhaging 3rd place faction to death. With the way resources are set up now they add defense bonus and defense siege increase but the lowest pop faction has no means to fight resource wars while the leading factions simply camp them and take keeps while resources are spent turning them back. It always boils down to numbers and while ZOS can't control how many or what faction players play on its best to eliminate the pawns in this chess game by removing the score value that is being used.

Vilestride · May 2018

Mmm I dunno, I dont think the solution to population issues is to just start hacking away at the core gameplay and reducing it.

My proposal improves the gameplay l regarding scoring. If you want to talk about population that's another issue. To which I would defer to suggesting the system sanct has proposed many times (and many others) of a dynamic evaluation timer that would effectively reduce the potential to earn points dependant on how balanced the population levels are. This would definitely alleviate the problem. Not remove it 100%, but mitigate it certainly. Progress not perfection.

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO · May 2018

The reason resources were made the major method for points gain was night capping. The thought was that even if a faction has the majority of keeps the other 2 factions could take resources more easily and earn at least some points.

The problem with this is that the evaluation timer is too long so it benefits just flipping every hour and you're done. If Eval timer was dynamic (because at low pop times the map doesn't change as often and points shouldn't be worth as much) then it would make taking and holding a resource actually valid in order to earn points for your faction. Rather than just go flip everything and leave as we have now.

Feanor · May 2018

Maybe the best way would be to reduce everything to 0 points. Then everybody can just meet at Alessia bridge, a thing that most of any campaign population does anyway...

Seriously, the only solution to night- and morning-capping would be to tie campaign scoring to the population size. It's a moot point though as long as the campaign rewards stay what they are. There are only a few people left that still play for the campaign win on any campaign, the majority of people is just out there farming AP.

frozywozy · May 2018

- Dynamically adjust faction scoring in relation with population bars.
- Generate points every minute rather than every hour.

Kartalin · May 2018

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

If Eval timer was dynamic (because at low pop times the map doesn't change as often and points shouldn't be worth as much) then it would make taking and holding a resource actually valid in order to earn points for your faction. Rather than just go flip everything and leave as we have now.

Oh, that’s a really interesting idea. Make an inverse relationship between the eval timer and the population. Anywhere from 30 mins at triple lock up to say 2 or 3 hours for lower pop times. That way everyone’s work counts, but higher pop factions can’t pad scores during off hours as easily.

If only rewards for winning were more worthwhile now...

WaltherCarraway · May 2018

these changes will eventually come true in “Battle for Tamriel” expansion.

Anazasi · May 2018

I don't know if some form of dynamic scoring is even possible. If it is, perhaps ZOS will explore dynamic scoring further. What I do know is they can set keep and resource points with a simply change now. Maybe they should make everything worth 1 pt on the map and leave the scrolls at 10? I really don't know what the solution is, but balancing score and population seems to be at the heart of the disparity in PVP.

SwampRaider · May 2018

WaltherCarraway wrote: »

these changes will eventually come true in “Battle for Tamriel” expansion.

Can you imagine a chapter PVP expansion? I wouldn't doubt that zenimax would do that LOL. A perfect PVP patch gated behind a $40 paywalll

frozywozy · May 2018

Anazasi wrote: »

I don't know if some form of dynamic scoring is even possible. If it is, perhaps ZOS will explore dynamic scoring further. What I do know is they can set keep and resource points with a simply change now. Maybe they should make everything worth 1 pt on the map and leave the scrolls at 10? I really don't know what the solution is, but balancing score and population seems to be at the heart of the disparity in PVP.

scrolls : 10
keeps : 5
outposts : 3
ressources : 1

Soul_Demon · May 2018

Faction locks. Always was the solution, always will be the solution. Reworking the game multiple times over seems like going too far rather than remembering how play was with locks and how that might work now with only one competitive server. I know some die hards will say they don't want that because "want to play with friends" or "when fights get stale" or "I only swap to the undermanned faction" but really they sound more like excuses now than they did years ago- we are seeing the direct result of not having locks today.

Kartalin · May 2018

Soul_Demon wrote: »

Faction locks. Always was the solution, always will be the solution. Reworking the game multiple times over seems like going too far rather than remembering how play was with locks and how that might work now with only one competitive server. I know some die hards will say they don't want that because "want to play with friends" or "when fights get stale" or "I only swap to the undermanned faction" but really they sound more like excuses now than they did years ago- we are seeing the direct result of not having locks today.

But it's too late for that. The time to institute that would have been more than four years ago, having each account locked to a faction. We're way past that now.

WaltherCarraway · June 2018

SwampRaider wrote: »

WaltherCarraway wrote: »

these changes will eventually come true in “Battle for Tamriel” expansion.

Can you imagine a chapter PVP expansion? I wouldn't doubt that zenimax would do that LOL. A perfect PVP patch gated behind a $40 paywalll

Awesome idea but shh!

Anrose · June 2018

frozywozy wrote: »

Anazasi wrote: »

I don't know if some form of dynamic scoring is even possible. If it is, perhaps ZOS will explore dynamic scoring further. What I do know is they can set keep and resource points with a simply change now. Maybe they should make everything worth 1 pt on the map and leave the scrolls at 10? I really don't know what the solution is, but balancing score and population seems to be at the heart of the disparity in PVP.

scrolls : 10
keeps : 5
outposts : 3
ressources : 1

I would take it a step farther and make the emperor ring worth less points. Since they’re essential for supply lines, people will fight over them anyway. Make the tri-keeps worth more since they’re harder to take and strike a harder blow to the home faction and will give people more of a reason to his the back keeps.

Scrolls: 15
Tri-keeps: 10
Emp ring: 5
Outposts: 3
Resources: 1

Corner keeps? Could be 3 since they’re essential for transit but usually a PvDoor. Could be 5 to align with emp keeps.