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Sloads and duroks bane should be looked into
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IZZEFlameLash✭✭✭✭✭
✭Thunderknuckles wrote: »Teach a rookie. This has to be multiple people focusing the same player with Sload's, right? I mean, 1v1 it doesn't seem like it'd be that bad with a 6 second cool down. I haven't had a chance to get back into Cyro since Summerset due largely to limited play time.
Even a single person using Sload will guarantee that they get full tooltip damage as far as I am aware. When I played, I had Sload ticking and it ticked for full tooltip amount. So if it completely ticks, you will take about 5k? Or so. You can try to outheal it but it still turns the fight to your enemy's favor because you are spending about 2k~4k resources per heal instead of counter offensive because Sload is a free damage proc and it is usually accompanied with major defile so you cannot really outheal the total incoming damage.Imperials, the one and true masters of all mortal races of Tamriel0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭You all realize sloads does about the same damage as overwhelming does right?https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXpX7JMwRXtczc5GTrIYRIw
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✭✭✭✭✭You all realize sloads does about the same damage as overwhelming does right?
Erm...no?5 items: When you activate a Class ability, you have a 15% chance to surround yourself with a torrent that deals 22-2365 Shock Damage to the closest enemy within 12 meters of you every 1 second for 6 seconds.
It's shock damage. It can be mitigated by spell resistances, blocking, shielding, and healing. Unlike Sload's oblivion damage.Main characters: Feanor the Believer - AD Altmer mSorc - AR 50 - Flawless Conqueror (PC EU)Idril Arnanor - AD Altmer mSorc - CP 217 - Stormproof (PC NA)Other characters:Necrophilius Killgood - DC Imperial NecromancerFearscales - AD Argonian Templar - Stormproof (healer)Draco Imperialis - AD Imperial DK (tank)Cabed Naearamarth - AD Dunmer mDKValirion Willowthorne - AD Bosmer stamBladeTuruna - AD Altmer magBladeKheled Zaram - AD Redguard stamDKKibil Nala - AD Redguard stamSorc - StormproofYavanna Kémentárí - AD Breton magWardenAzog gro-Ghâsh - EP Orc stamWardenVidar Drakenblød - DC Nord mDKMarquis de Peyrac - DC Breton mSorc - StormproofRawlith Khaj'ra - AD Khajiit stamWardenTu'waccah - AD Redguard StamplarAll chars 50 @ CP 1900+. Playing and enjoying PvP with RdK mostly on PC EU.5 -
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✭Edit: to those of you saying to purge it, let me just waste the virtually nonexistent pool of magic casting it on a stam class and get the same debuff 2 seconds later.
why are these two sets implemented the way they are? Duroks bane has virtually no cooldown and defile is strong and this having no cooldown just makes healing that much tougher, and you combine that with sloads and you have a dot on you that you can only really heal through to counter and duroks bane makes it that much more frustrating to counter sloads… With the amount of cheese going around I am surprised zos hasn't come out and created a ingame pizza recipe that would make sheogorath proud
Because people need to die okay?! If things like this were not in the game there would be too many infinite sustain block and heal tools out there as if there aren't enough already.
Think of defile and sload as balance to that and your life will be much less stressful
On another note, sload is craftable and available to everyone. USE IT.
if you mean those healbots, insane tanks not to kill but which can also wrck other people then yes
but didi you thought about people who dont run thos insane tanks and healbots? thos eplayers have problem with sload becuase or sload is just additional damage which you dont have resources to healing more additional damage or its breaking main defense (cloak, shields)
tbh those healbots and tanks have jsut in ass this sload because its damage like every other dont they have applied to them with their resists, they have anough healing to heal this additional sload but normal nontank, nonhealbot people just have sload as last nail to coffin1 -
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✭Thunderknuckles wrote: »Teach a rookie. This has to be multiple people focusing the same player with Sload's, right? I mean, 1v1 it doesn't seem like it'd be that bad with a 6 second cool down. I haven't had a chance to get back into Cyro since Summerset due largely to limited play time.
6 second cooldown starts when the ability procs (this is the case with most set cooldowns in the game) and the duration lasts 6 seconds, so once the sload proc expires it's ready to be procced again. Combine this with easy proc conditions (procs on literally all damage, including individual DOT ticks) and you end up with an easy 90-95% uptime on the set's DOTＦＯＲＵＭＰＬＡＲ
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Horker✭✭✭✭Issues with duroks is just a L2P problem, i wear it aswell, on all builds rn. Because to let ppl know, leave me alone or you get the instagibROSES ARE RED, VIOLETS ARE BLUE, TRINIMAC IS DEAD, MALACATH IS TRUE4 -
chris211✭✭✭✭Edit: to those of you saying to purge it, let me just waste the virtually nonexistent pool of magic casting it on a stam class and get the same debuff 2 seconds later.
why are these two sets implemented the way they are? Duroks bane has virtually no cooldown and defile is strong and this having no cooldown just makes healing that much tougher, and you combine that with sloads and you have a dot on you that you can only really heal through to counter and duroks bane makes it that much more frustrating to counter sloads… With the amount of cheese going around I am surprised zos hasn't come out and created a ingame pizza recipe that would make sheogorath proud
durogs bane is fine as it is sloads however needs be NERFED INTO THE GROUND1 -
Tzayad✭✭✭TheValar85 wrote: »Sload is fine to be honest. finaly sorc got some candy dont robe them.
candy that can be used against them as stacking shield breaker and sloads will melt your sorc's defence
If someone is wearing these two sets together, they are going to be garbage at literally everything but killing MagSorcsBeren Tinamion | Nightblade3 -
Dredlord✭✭✭✭✭dwemer_paleologist wrote: »use purge, it will remove the dot from sloads.
Stop posting this dumb answer. No class can afford to give up a skill slot just to deal with one set, thereby gimping yourself in ever other fight. I know you and others want to keep your cheap sets because you can’t win otherwise, but it shouldn’t be required to change your build just to deal with one op proc set because a few tryhards finally feel like they can win.L2P
Defending sloads by telling someone to l2p is incredibly ironic.
Stop posting your stupid retort then, every *** build in the game applies dots debuffs and status effects that it is beneficial to purge.
Argueing you have to slot purge for only one set is either pure ignorance or childish whining...2 -
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✭✭dwemer_paleologist wrote: »use purge, it will remove the dot from sloads.
Stop posting this dumb answer. No class can afford to give up a skill slot just to deal with one set, thereby gimping yourself in ever other fight. I know you and others want to keep your cheap sets because you can’t win otherwise, but it shouldn’t be required to change your build just to deal with one op proc set because a few tryhards finally feel like they can win.L2P
Defending sloads by telling someone to l2p is incredibly ironic.
Stop posting your stupid retort then, every *** build in the game applies dots debuffs and status effects that it is beneficial to purge.
Argueing you have to slot purge for only one set is either pure ignorance or childish whining...
Which is one of the reasons why purge is prety much useless on ur bar unless u are running in a zerg which is precisely what it was designed for which is also precisely why its mostly used in those situations. It removes two negative effects and most of the time you have so many debuffs on you to the point where even if you use it, it may not even remove the debuff you want to actually remove. And on top of that, its probably the most expensive skill in the game. It costs so much to the point where consecutive casts are simply impossible on normal builds.
Its a support skill which is utilised best by support builds. Aka builds that actually have one main job, to support entire groups. So arguing that everyone should run around with pocket healers is also pure ignorance.3 -
WaltherCarraway✭✭✭✭✭If one couldn’t kill or got killed by a Dragonknight wearing Sload’s + Durok as nightblade or sorcerer then that person must has some serious L2P problem.
Some folks are too used to their easy win rolls to kill people and the same kind of people cries when something breaks their cheesiness is present.
LOL, befriend with a dev and nerf it immediately or simply wait for potential nerf. ZOS won’t listen everything fron forum or prestigious streamers, so these explicit nerf please thread are futile.Back from my last hiatus. 2021 a new start.1 -
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✭✭✭You all realize sloads does about the same damage as overwhelming does right?
This doesn't speak for overwhelming. If it would be a stam based proc set it would have been nerfed into the ground a long time ago.I used to think that PvP was a tragedy, but now I realize, it's a comedy.2 -
Xsorus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭You all realize sloads does about the same damage as overwhelming does right?
Erm...no?5 items: When you activate a Class ability, you have a 15% chance to surround yourself with a torrent that deals 22-2365 Shock Damage to the closest enemy within 12 meters of you every 1 second for 6 seconds.
It's shock damage. It can be mitigated by spell resistances, blocking, shielding, and healing. Unlike Sload's oblivion damage.
First, have you ever actually used Overwhelming, while you can mitigate it the actual damage it does in PVP is around 800 so a tic which is around what Sloads hits for.
Now I agree with you on the shield part though i'm not sure what you mean by healing..Cause you can heal Sloads damage just like Overwhelming.
Now overwhelming also has the advantage of applying Concussion and if you can lower a players mitigation it will do more damage then Sloads vs everything but Shields of course.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXpX7JMwRXtczc5GTrIYRIw
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IZZEFlameLash✭✭✭✭✭
✭Issues with duroks is just a L2P problem, i wear it aswell, on all builds rn. Because to let ppl know, leave me alone or you get the instagib
Yeah, it is totally a l2p issue when you don't even have to use a single skill to apply such a strong debuff. A strong debuff that can be re-applied immediately. Totally a l2p issue there.Imperials, the one and true masters of all mortal races of Tamriel4 -
Dredlord✭✭✭✭✭dwemer_paleologist wrote: »use purge, it will remove the dot from sloads.
Stop posting this dumb answer. No class can afford to give up a skill slot just to deal with one set, thereby gimping yourself in ever other fight. I know you and others want to keep your cheap sets because you can’t win otherwise, but it shouldn’t be required to change your build just to deal with one op proc set because a few tryhards finally feel like they can win.L2P
Defending sloads by telling someone to l2p is incredibly ironic.
Stop posting your stupid retort then, every *** build in the game applies dots debuffs and status effects that it is beneficial to purge.
Argueing you have to slot purge for only one set is either pure ignorance or childish whining...
Which is one of the reasons why purge is prety much useless on ur bar unless u are running in a zerg which is precisely what it was designed for which is also precisely why its mostly used in those situations. It removes two negative effects and most of the time you have so many debuffs on you to the point where even if you use it, it may not even remove the debuff you want to actually remove. And on top of that, its probably the most expensive skill in the game. It costs so much to the point where consecutive casts are simply impossible on normal builds.
Its a support skill which is utilised best by support builds. Aka builds that actually have one main job, to support entire groups. So arguing that everyone should run around with pocket healers is also pure ignorance.
Thank you for proving vapirko's argument is just scrub talk.Edited by Dredlord on May 31, 2018 1:46AM0 -
IZZEFlameLash✭✭✭✭✭
✭dwemer_paleologist wrote: »use purge, it will remove the dot from sloads.
Stop posting this dumb answer. No class can afford to give up a skill slot just to deal with one set, thereby gimping yourself in ever other fight. I know you and others want to keep your cheap sets because you can’t win otherwise, but it shouldn’t be required to change your build just to deal with one op proc set because a few tryhards finally feel like they can win.L2P
Defending sloads by telling someone to l2p is incredibly ironic.
Stop posting your stupid retort then, every *** build in the game applies dots debuffs and status effects that it is beneficial to purge.
Argueing you have to slot purge for only one set is either pure ignorance or childish whining...
Which is one of the reasons why purge is prety much useless on ur bar unless u are running in a zerg which is precisely what it was designed for which is also precisely why its mostly used in those situations. It removes two negative effects and most of the time you have so many debuffs on you to the point where even if you use it, it may not even remove the debuff you want to actually remove. And on top of that, its probably the most expensive skill in the game. It costs so much to the point where consecutive casts are simply impossible on normal builds.
Its a support skill which is utilised best by support builds. Aka builds that actually have one main job, to support entire groups. So arguing that everyone should run around with pocket healers is also pure ignorance.
Thank you for proving vapirko's argument is just scrub talk.
I don't think he proved Vapirko's argument is just scrub talk. What he basically said is on the same lane as Vapirko actually. Vapirko said, 'no one should be forced to run expensive Purge for just 1 set which may or may not even remove the debuff you want to remove' and from what I can tell, pieratos is saying the similar thing and adding on by saying how it is only useful for full on support build which means you need a pocket heals for that.Imperials, the one and true masters of all mortal races of Tamriel3 -
TheDoomsdayMonster✭✭✭✭✭You share a build and the whole world gets up in arms
And this is why I have not decided to share any build going foward...
If you create a successful cancer build, keep it to yourself otherwise others will use it (in increasing numbers) until it gets nerfed...Unyeilding Bias
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TheDoomsdayMonster✭✭✭✭✭As pertains Sloads, most of the people I see complaining are either Nightblades or people that want to 1vX with their "perfect" builds at will...
Now that there's a set that counters that cheesy 'Cloak out whenever you are in trouble' gameplay or inhibits ones ability to 1vX, people want to cry bloody murder...
The answer to this seems to be pretty easy; adapt or die...
And stop begging for the game to bend around you; you bend around the game instead...
Edited by TheDoomsdayMonster on May 31, 2018 2:07PMUnyeilding Bias
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✭✭✭✭✭I wasn’t aware that there was anyone who thought Sload’s was balanced. It seems to affect all classes so I haven’t seen anyone defending it.
But it looks like snipe spammers are defending it. I guess the people at the very bottom rung of the skill ladder are dying so fast in PvP that they don’t really have time to notice what the dot set is doing to them.
Oh well. I’m sure it’ll get nerfed. I’ve never seen mag sorcs and Stam nightblades agree about something like this lol.PC NA - @dazkt - Dazk Ardoonkt / Sir Thogalot / Dask Dragoh’t / Dazk Dragoh’t / El Thogardo
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BigBadVolk✭✭✭✭✭I wasn’t aware that there was anyone who thought Sload’s was balanced. It seems to affect all classes so I haven’t seen anyone defending it.
But it looks like snipe spammers are defending it. I guess the people at the very bottom rung of the skill ladder are dying so fast in PvP that they don’t really have time to notice what the dot set is doing to them.
Oh well. I’m sure it’ll get nerfed. I’ve never seen mag sorcs and Stam nightblades agree about something like this lol.
ye but that time had to come one day
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nekura✭✭✭TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »
...Now that there's a set that counters that cheesy 'Cloak out whenever you are in trouble' gameplay...
If you aren't a complete schlep anyone can do this with pots. I don't see it often, but I've definitely fought against visi's that have cloaked via potion and gotten away when I was low magicka, and my pot timer was down. Stealth & speed pots are enough to get away from 6 medium stealth detection.0 -
TheMystid✭✭✭Narvuntien wrote: »1v1 its fine its when its 1 v X that is a problem.
Your all your heals are busy keeping you alive from the onslaught. then you are getting hit will all these sload procs.
It needs to be weakend specifically in 1 v X situations.
Shieldbreaker is mostly not the same because you would have to have everyone running shieldbreaker for it to be a problem and that would only happen in a Sorc OP meta ( which we are not in)
1 vs X isn't mean to be a 'situation' anymore :'(PC EU
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IZZEFlameLash✭✭✭✭✭
✭TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »As pertains Sloads, most of the people I see complaining are either Nightblades or people that want to 1vX with their "perfect" builds at will...
Now that there's a set that counters that cheesy 'Cloak out whenever you are in trouble' gameplay or inhibits ones ability to 1vX, people want to cry bloody murder...
The answer to this seems to be pretty easy; adapt or die...
And stop begging for the game to bend around you; you bend around the game instead...
People WILL figure out the cancer builds on their own if they know how to play even slightly. There are not that many useful sets you know. So, it would not matter. Build secrecy in this game, I will never understand. I ran all defile builds before it became a meta even and so did few others. Cancer builds should be exposed to the masses so that they get fixed.Imperials, the one and true masters of all mortal races of Tamriel0 -
Lexxypwns✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭You all realize sloads does about the same damage as overwhelming does right?
Erm...no?5 items: When you activate a Class ability, you have a 15% chance to surround yourself with a torrent that deals 22-2365 Shock Damage to the closest enemy within 12 meters of you every 1 second for 6 seconds.
It's shock damage. It can be mitigated by spell resistances, blocking, shielding, and healing. Unlike Sload's oblivion damage.
Actually, test it on a dummy. Surge will give noticeably higher DPS because the proc has a higher tooltip plus can cause concussion which boosts ALL incoming damage on that target by 8%. The only reason to run Sload over Surge on a magika build is as a counter to block or shields.
Edit: @TheDoomsdayMonster Overwhelming Surge is a superior proc set for countering cloak because it reveals EVERYTHING in a 13m radius since the proc is an “aoe”Edited by Lexxypwns on May 31, 2018 11:25PM2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Narvuntien wrote: »1v1 its fine its when its 1 v X that is a problem.
Your all your heals are busy keeping you alive from the onslaught. then you are getting hit will all these sload procs.
It needs to be weakend specifically in 1 v X situations.
Shieldbreaker is mostly not the same because you would have to have everyone running shieldbreaker for it to be a problem and that would only happen in a Sorc OP meta ( which we are not in)
1 vs X isn't mean to be a 'situation' anymore :'(
that is a Good thing. the more people realize that was a badly trained idea and start to see the overpoweredness of that the closer and better we will be as a community and allow ALL people Everyone to enjoy playing PvP and having fun instead of just a few.0 -
Revelzdevelz✭✭✭Someone killed me wearing this...please nerf it. Cmon man, use a work around like other ppl2
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Dredlord✭✭✭✭✭IZZEFlameLash wrote: »dwemer_paleologist wrote: »use purge, it will remove the dot from sloads.
Stop posting this dumb answer. No class can afford to give up a skill slot just to deal with one set, thereby gimping yourself in ever other fight. I know you and others want to keep your cheap sets because you can’t win otherwise, but it shouldn’t be required to change your build just to deal with one op proc set because a few tryhards finally feel like they can win.L2P
Defending sloads by telling someone to l2p is incredibly ironic.
Stop posting your stupid retort then, every *** build in the game applies dots debuffs and status effects that it is beneficial to purge.
Argueing you have to slot purge for only one set is either pure ignorance or childish whining...
Which is one of the reasons why purge is prety much useless on ur bar unless u are running in a zerg which is precisely what it was designed for which is also precisely why its mostly used in those situations. It removes two negative effects and most of the time you have so many debuffs on you to the point where even if you use it, it may not even remove the debuff you want to actually remove. And on top of that, its probably the most expensive skill in the game. It costs so much to the point where consecutive casts are simply impossible on normal builds.
Its a support skill which is utilised best by support builds. Aka builds that actually have one main job, to support entire groups. So arguing that everyone should run around with pocket healers is also pure ignorance.
Thank you for proving vapirko's argument is just scrub talk.
I don't think
You coulda stopped there.
Ps. I'm not using sloads and it hasnt been on a death recap of mine in 3 days.0
