Ectheliontnacil wrote: »

I know this will probably never happen, but if ZOS could just tone it down a bit, or better yet, add a toggle to display everyone in vanilla armour and with normal mounts that would be awesome. Might also help performance.

^this.. pls toggle viewing lightingsparklyshinyugly stuff
I am annoyed that mostly the deep colours all add a glistening..

Ectheliontnacil wrote: »

veloSylraptor wrote: »

Ectheliontnacil wrote: »

Ratzkifal wrote: »

What do you guys think of a toggle option that disables flashy things - aka replace all special mounts with horses, make pets disappear and maybe even the floating balls of certain sets. The more customizable the options, the better.

Ye that sounds good. And people who like vanity pets and glittering costumes are completely unaffected by this .

Except they are effected, their ability to express themselves has been greatly reduced.

@veloSylraptor

Where is this mad scramble for identity and self expression coming from? I suppose it's human nature, but I still find it disturbing. Are you really defined by the clothes we wear? Is flashy armour and cheapish crown store jewellery who you are?

And that's not even the worst part! Somehow you people feel entitled to subject everyone to your appearance. You have the right to look how you like, but I don't have the right to look away?

If someone isn't into clowns swaggering across the Grahtwood city centre, what good does it do anyone to force him to see those clowns. That person's fun and immersion will be ruined and the clown clown's outfit will not be appreciated, which is what would have made the clown happy.

With TES games always opting for rather conservative and toned down graphics and TESO starting out the same way, I think it's a very reasonable demand that ZOS cater to an audience that would prefer less over the top character customisation as well as to an audience that loves this feature.

I just don't get people who think they should always be allowed to have their fun, even if it comes at the expense of other people's fun.

It'd go easier on you in life if you didn't allow others indulging in harmless fun to ruin yours. Just a thought...

Ectheliontnacil wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

Ectheliontnacil wrote: »

veloSylraptor wrote: »

Ectheliontnacil wrote: »

Ratzkifal wrote: »

What do you guys think of a toggle option that disables flashy things - aka replace all special mounts with horses, make pets disappear and maybe even the floating balls of certain sets. The more customizable the options, the better.

Ye that sounds good. And people who like vanity pets and glittering costumes are completely unaffected by this .

Except they are effected, their ability to express themselves has been greatly reduced.

@veloSylraptor

Where is this mad scramble for identity and self expression coming from? I suppose it's human nature, but I still find it disturbing. Are you really defined by the clothes we wear? Is flashy armour and cheapish crown store jewellery who you are?

And that's not even the worst part! Somehow you people feel entitled to subject everyone to your appearance. You have the right to look how you like, but I don't have the right to look away?

If someone isn't into clowns swaggering across the Grahtwood city centre, what good does it do anyone to force him to see those clowns. That person's fun and immersion will be ruined and the clown clown's outfit will not be appreciated, which is what would have made the clown happy.

With TES games always opting for rather conservative and toned down graphics and TESO starting out the same way, I think it's a very reasonable demand that ZOS cater to an audience that would prefer less over the top character customisation as well as to an audience that loves this feature.

I just don't get people who think they should always be allowed to have their fun, even if it comes at the expense of other people's fun.

It'd go easier on you in life if you didn't allow others indulging in harmless fun to ruin yours. Just a thought...

@DieAlteHexe

That's not my point and you know it.

I think it's very understandable that pink armour, glowing pets and sparkling mounts take away from the atmospheric feel of an otherwise conservative MMO in a medieval setting.

Is it a conservative medieval setting? Different regions in Tamriel have different aesthetic design. High Rock may be a conservative medieval setting, while Morrowind is designed to be alien. From Oblivion (and the Imperial City DLC here) We know Cyrodiil to be a grand majestic place with the Imperial City's towering buildings that would fit nowhere in a traditional conservative medieval setting. Also, Summerset clearly displays a high fantasy setting.

The look and feel of each region and cultures of Tamriel does present a huge diversity, would it not make sense that the people reflect the same?


Also, medieval times were a very colorful setting. Flashiness and extravagance all around! Except for peasants that is, but the cities, the nobles, the armies and the banner they carry? yup, everyone wants to display their wealth and prestige with all the options they have at the time.

Ectheliontnacil wrote: »

veloSylraptor wrote: »

Ectheliontnacil wrote: »

veloSylraptor wrote: »

Ectheliontnacil wrote: »

@veloSylraptor

Yes, I have no problem with a two way toggle. If people want to see my khajiit sporting 12 inch heels, a 5 kg pearl necklace and a golden mini skirt while using the drag queen personality, that's totally fine by me.

My point all along was not to force anyone into seeing things they don't want to see.

And that still hasn't addressed the problem of veiling people for not having an approved identity or expression.

@veloSylraptor

Well...

They wouldn't know they're being "veiled" so they can remain blissfully ignorant. If the possibility that someone you don't know and will never talk to you, may not be able to see your ESO toon upsets (correctly) you, the issue may not be with the game but with yourself.

And I despise the term "veiling" because I know where you're trying to take this discussion.

Except they would, the option existing means someone would use it. It would be safe to assume so.

And what word would you propose I replace it with? Does it not sufficiently describe the act of making people (their identities, and expression) invisible? So that people who disapprove of those identities and expression can conveniently behave as if those different people do not exist? You are talking of making people uniform and singular in their appearance, implying the assumption that there are correct and incorrect identities and expression that the people of Tamriel should or should not be able to express.

@veloSylraptor

But your garish costume isn't your identity!
At least I hope it is not, for your sake. We're talking about hiding some of your outfits in an online game. If that throws you into an existential crisis, perhaps you should work on some of those issues personally.

I mean a lot of offices, dining areas and hotels have dresscodes. How do you deal with that? If I am required to attend a black tie event, I dress appropriately, doesn't faze me. Even though you don't always get to express yourself irl doesn't really bother anyone, except for some special snowflakes perhaps. But you seem to be deeply upset about my suggestion.

And I say this again. You would still look like a trigglypuff! And others would be allowed to enjoy a more immersive game at the same time.

Why would you assume it throws me into an existential crisis? I'm just saying you are clearly dismissing a sentiment held by many people that do not want to have their expressions silenced. If you truly want to see change here you will have to address them and persuade people. Simply dismissing their concerns and acting like they don't exist or do not deserve recognition as a concern will get you nowhere.

And again you have it backwards, let me repeat: my garish costume isn't my identity. my identity expresses itself through that garish costume.

And if events or places have dress codes I don't like, I don't go there. I happen to be privileged enough to be made an exception a lot of the time (simply because people tend to want me there, and they know I wouldn't be there if I had to wear something I don't like). And when I don't, well whatever, under no circumstances am I gonna be forced to wear something I don't like. But all this is irrelevant and has no bearing on the discussion about the game.

Again, I'm not upset at your suggestion. I'm pointing out that this would be a potential problem for many people, and of course ZoS as their profits might slip.

And here:

RANKK7 wrote: »

The day they do that is the day I stop buying costumes, pets, adornments and mounts entirely, no point anymore in a Multiplayer to buy them.

If it's ok hiding mine and others customization I'd rather play a single player game for which I can make and utilize 3d models and textures of way better quality than what I have now.

In ESO I value customization as one VERY important aspect and I truly doubt some people is going to spend hundreds of dollars on Crates to get apex and radiant mounts that no one will ever see, or even a dime on "common" items in the Store.

I find this idea utterly ridiculous, some people should stick to single player games if are so annoyed and bothered by others people tastes and customization choices.

We already see example of someone who would disapprove of being made invisible. I would also repeat the sentiment that I would stop spending money on the game. Nothing to do with being upset with your suggestion here, its just business: They stop giving me stuff I like, I stop paying them.

Ectheliontnacil wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

Ectheliontnacil wrote: »

veloSylraptor wrote: »

Ectheliontnacil wrote: »

Ratzkifal wrote: »

What do you guys think of a toggle option that disables flashy things - aka replace all special mounts with horses, make pets disappear and maybe even the floating balls of certain sets. The more customizable the options, the better.

Ye that sounds good. And people who like vanity pets and glittering costumes are completely unaffected by this .

Except they are effected, their ability to express themselves has been greatly reduced.

@veloSylraptor

Where is this mad scramble for identity and self expression coming from? I suppose it's human nature, but I still find it disturbing. Are you really defined by the clothes we wear? Is flashy armour and cheapish crown store jewellery who you are?

And that's not even the worst part! Somehow you people feel entitled to subject everyone to your appearance. You have the right to look how you like, but I don't have the right to look away?

If someone isn't into clowns swaggering across the Grahtwood city centre, what good does it do anyone to force him to see those clowns. That person's fun and immersion will be ruined and the clown clown's outfit will not be appreciated, which is what would have made the clown happy.

With TES games always opting for rather conservative and toned down graphics and TESO starting out the same way, I think it's a very reasonable demand that ZOS cater to an audience that would prefer less over the top character customisation as well as to an audience that loves this feature.

I just don't get people who think they should always be allowed to have their fun, even if it comes at the expense of other people's fun.

It'd go easier on you in life if you didn't allow others indulging in harmless fun to ruin yours. Just a thought...

@DieAlteHexe

That's not my point and you know it.

I think it's very understandable that pink armour, glowing pets and sparkling mounts take away from the atmospheric feel of an otherwise conservative MMO in a medieval setting.

I can only go by what you type and you typed: "I just don't get people who think they should always be allowed to have their fun, even if it comes at the expense of other people's fun. "

We do not get to define what happens in this game. If we are bothered by something, by all means bring it up as you have done but be prepared for others to share their opinion(s). That it ("flashy") bothers you when it seems to be something an awful lot of folk in game (based on what I see daily) really enjoy, well, see what I said previously about "others ruining your fun". Actually, they aren't. You are. You've set inflexible standards that even the developers of the game disagree with and now want people to adhere to those.

I think It's good. Really. it could use the help.

Ectheliontnacil wrote: »

@veloSylraptor
@DieAlteHexe

Let us for a moment though, go back to the original message of the OP. I was concerned about this trend of increased character customisation which leads to more hilariously unrealistic and immersion breaking outfits, mounts and pets.

Now you defend this by calling it self expression and telling me an option to toggle this would be "veiling" of everyone who is different.

Well let's say I agree with all that. It still doesn't answer the problem stated in the OP. Where does it end? If my personality demands a flying mount to accompany me on my adventures should I get it? If I am a Darth Vader fan, why not add the polymorph?

All of these things would help a lot with self expression. And ZOS would make a killing with these items. At the same time it would upset a large portion of the playerbase though. At some point you have to draw the line, wouldn't you agree?

I have already said that I'm not hugely bothered by this, but if it keeps on getting worse, unicorn mounts with rainbows trailing after them will force me to quit. Already they're introducing Thanos gauntles...*sigh*

It ends where ZoS decides it ends, just like all other aspects of the game. They collect their data and make decisions based on that. I love that MMOs evolve. I hate that MMOs evolve. Sometimes they evolve (in this case by adding "flashy" things) in a direction that irks some players, other times they score a direct hit and everyone loves the changes.

I could historically argue the "flashy" bit but I think someone else already did quite well. It was surprising how much colour was involved in the medieval period. The churches alone were mind-boggling and having to introduce sumptuary laws clearly indicates that the average person was getting way above themselves with the flash and so laws, actual laws, were made to govern that "flash".

I've two pet peeves that I have had to take my own advice and shine them on. Do I wish they could be changed? Sure but they won't be as they are firmly knitted into the game.

*whispers* I hope he doesn't see the "masqued unicorn steed" or the "White-Gold Imperial Courser".

Ectheliontnacil wrote: »

@veloSylraptor
@DieAlteHexe

Let us for a moment though, go back to the original message of the OP. I was concerned about this trend of increased character customisation which leads to more hilariously unrealistic and immersion breaking outfits, mounts and pets.

Now you defend this by calling it self expression and telling me an option to toggle this would be "veiling" of everyone who is different.

Well let's say I agree with all that. It still doesn't answer the problem stated in the OP. Where does it end? If my personality demands a flying mount to accompany me on my adventures should I get it? If I am a Darth Vader fan, why not add the polymorph?

All of these things would help a lot with self expression. And ZOS would make a killing with these items. At the same time it would upset a large portion of the playerbase though. At some point you have to draw the line, wouldn't you agree?

I have already said that I'm not hugely bothered by this, but if it keeps on getting worse, unicorn mounts with rainbows trailing after them will force me to quit. Already they're introducing Thanos gauntles...*sigh*

It ends whenever ZoS decides it ends. They have a license (of some kind) to develop the Elder Scrolls intellectual property, they work with Bethesda everyday to ensure cohesion within the IP. They get to decide what canon is, and what is or isn't lore breaking. These are all approved by the owner of the IP, and the less conventional designs will end whenever the IP holder decides it will end.

The toggle would in fact be veiling people simply because they are making people disappear. If a character is being misrepresented on your screen, then they have essentially had their identity, expression, and personhood erased; no more a person than a random minor NPC, their choices made for them by someone else.

As for arguing for ZoS to not go further in this direction, sure go ahead, that argument I will not as strongly oppose (although I do wish for more variety in armor styles either from new outfits or the crown store). I am simply opposing the act of making people disappear here. You would probably not find a strong objection from me in this thread until that toggle suggestion was made.

Now, lets not get into completely fruitless questions like: "Why not add a Darth Vader polymorph?"

Because:

• Good luck getting Disney to approve that, else copyright infringement.
• Good luck getting Zenimax Media/Bethesda Softworks/Bethesda Game Studios or whoever owns the Elder Scrolls IP to approve that introduction to the Elder Scrolls series
• Good luck getting enough of a majority in the community to approve that
• Why the assumption that there is a slippery slope that would lead to this?

Be careful when asking rhetorical questions, they might just be answered and revealed to be not so rhetorical. Even rhetorical questions can be examined and broken down to reveal things that may not be immediately obvious on the surface.

This guy has walked by my side since 2014 . He's as flashy as pets get.

Ectheliontnacil wrote: »

JJBoomer wrote: »

Your basically just trying to prevent other players from doing something that 100% harmless, just so YOU can have more fun.

*You're

Awww, really?