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Game has become too flashy!
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lientier✭✭✭✭Ectheliontnacil wrote: »
I know this will probably never happen, but if ZOS could just tone it down a bit, or better yet, add a toggle to display everyone in vanilla armour and with normal mounts that would be awesome. Might also help performance.
^this.. pls toggle viewing lightingsparklyshinyugly stuff
I am annoyed that mostly the deep colours all add a glistening..PC-EU @lientier0 -
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@veloSylraptorveloSylraptor wrote: »Ectheliontnacil wrote: »@veloSylraptor
Yes, I have no problem with a two way toggle. If people want to see my khajiit sporting 12 inch heels, a 5 kg pearl necklace and a golden mini skirt while using the drag queen personality, that's totally fine by me.
My point all along was not to force anyone into seeing things they don't want to see.
And that still hasn't addressed the problem of veiling people for not having an approved identity or expression.
Well...
They wouldn't know they're being "veiled" so they can remain blissfully ignorant. If the possibility that someone you don't know and will never talk to you, may not be able to see your ESO toon upsets (correctly) you, the issue may not be with the game but with yourself.
And I despise the term "veiling" because I know where you're trying to take this discussion.Edited by Ectheliontnacil on May 31, 2018 9:26AM0 -
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✭✭Ectheliontnacil wrote: »veloSylraptor wrote: »Ectheliontnacil wrote: »What do you guys think of a toggle option that disables flashy things - aka replace all special mounts with horses, make pets disappear and maybe even the floating balls of certain sets. The more customizable the options, the better.
Ye that sounds good. And people who like vanity pets and glittering costumes are completely unaffected by this
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Except they are effected, their ability to express themselves has been greatly reduced.
@veloSylraptor
Where is this mad scramble for identity and self expression coming from? I suppose it's human nature, but I still find it disturbing. Are you really defined by the clothes we wear? Is flashy armour and cheapish crown store jewellery who you are?
And that's not even the worst part! Somehow you people feel entitled to subject everyone to your appearance. You have the right to look how you like, but I don't have the right to look away?
If someone isn't into clowns swaggering across the Grahtwood city centre, what good does it do anyone to force him to see those clowns. That person's fun and immersion will be ruined and the clown clown's outfit will not be appreciated, which is what would have made the clown happy.
With TES games always opting for rather conservative and toned down graphics and TESO starting out the same way, I think it's a very reasonable demand that ZOS cater to an audience that would prefer less over the top character customisation as well as to an audience that loves this feature.
I just don't get people who think they should always be allowed to have their fun, even if it comes at the expense of other people's fun.
It'd go easier on you in life if you didn't allow others indulging in harmless fun to ruin yours. Just a thought...
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✭✭✭✭✭The thing is, we should not punish people for expressing themselves in ways,which the game offers - but we should make ZOS aware of that even more of this fluff stuff would ruin the fun for many more than which they can make happy with this fluffy glowing and noisy (!!!) stuff. From time to time something flashy is ok - but more or less all new mounts are now of this kind -when was the last time,that they released a normal looking mount?- ZOS should offer us as well less fluffy mounts with interesting detail in mesh, instead to add particles and stuff to them. Like guars, they are so low-detailed in their mesh, it could be so much better looking and nevertheless be just a normal guar - but in higher detail in it's mesh.
Given that I like the guar in "blue coral snake" colors and did not have the opportunity to buy it yet, because I saw it too late. I haven't seen it ingame yet, but if it does not have other fluff and isn't overly noisy, I want it - I own a blue coral snake and love it for its pretty colors -and that is nearly exactly the color scheme of that guar as well. Maybe it is too brightly colored for some, but it is not totally unnatural, because this color scheme exists in real world nature on a blue coral snake.1 -
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@DieAlteHexeDieAlteHexe wrote: »Ectheliontnacil wrote: »veloSylraptor wrote: »Ectheliontnacil wrote: »What do you guys think of a toggle option that disables flashy things - aka replace all special mounts with horses, make pets disappear and maybe even the floating balls of certain sets. The more customizable the options, the better.
Ye that sounds good. And people who like vanity pets and glittering costumes are completely unaffected by this .
Except they are effected, their ability to express themselves has been greatly reduced.
@veloSylraptor
Where is this mad scramble for identity and self expression coming from? I suppose it's human nature, but I still find it disturbing. Are you really defined by the clothes we wear? Is flashy armour and cheapish crown store jewellery who you are?
And that's not even the worst part! Somehow you people feel entitled to subject everyone to your appearance. You have the right to look how you like, but I don't have the right to look away?
If someone isn't into clowns swaggering across the Grahtwood city centre, what good does it do anyone to force him to see those clowns. That person's fun and immersion will be ruined and the clown clown's outfit will not be appreciated, which is what would have made the clown happy.
With TES games always opting for rather conservative and toned down graphics and TESO starting out the same way, I think it's a very reasonable demand that ZOS cater to an audience that would prefer less over the top character customisation as well as to an audience that loves this feature.
I just don't get people who think they should always be allowed to have their fun, even if it comes at the expense of other people's fun.
It'd go easier on you in life if you didn't allow others indulging in harmless fun to ruin yours. Just a thought...
That's not my point and you know it.
I think it's very understandable that pink armour, glowing pets and sparkling mounts take away from the atmospheric feel of an otherwise conservative MMO in a medieval setting.1 -
veloSylraptor✭✭✭Ectheliontnacil wrote: »
@veloSylraptorveloSylraptor wrote: »Ectheliontnacil wrote: »@veloSylraptor
Yes, I have no problem with a two way toggle. If people want to see my khajiit sporting 12 inch heels, a 5 kg pearl necklace and a golden mini skirt while using the drag queen personality, that's totally fine by me.
My point all along was not to force anyone into seeing things they don't want to see.
And that still hasn't addressed the problem of veiling people for not having an approved identity or expression.
Well...
They wouldn't know they're being "veiled" so they can remain blissfully ignorant. If the possibility that someone you don't know and will never talk to you, may not be able to see your ESO toon upsets (correctly) you, the issue may not be with the game but with yourself.
And I despise the term "veiling" because I know where you're trying to take this discussion.
Except they would, the option existing means someone would use it. It would be safe to assume so.
And what word would you propose I replace it with? Does it not sufficiently describe the act of making people (their identities, and expression) invisible? So that people who disapprove of those identities and expression can conveniently behave as if those different people do not exist? You are talking of making people uniform and singular in their appearance, implying the assumption that there are correct and incorrect identities and expression that the people of Tamriel should or should not be able to express.
And again, all of this is a side note though. You do have to address the question of how this effects spending habits and profits. Would as much people be spending as much if they know that at any moment they are probably being veiled? denied the identity they wish to express and had to pay money for? How much of that potential profit loss would ZoS (and their parent company Zenimax Media, and all their stakeholders) be willing to risk and accept?Edited by veloSylraptor on May 31, 2018 9:38AM1 -
veloSylraptor✭✭✭Ectheliontnacil wrote: »
@DieAlteHexeDieAlteHexe wrote: »Ectheliontnacil wrote: »veloSylraptor wrote: »Ectheliontnacil wrote: »What do you guys think of a toggle option that disables flashy things - aka replace all special mounts with horses, make pets disappear and maybe even the floating balls of certain sets. The more customizable the options, the better.
Ye that sounds good. And people who like vanity pets and glittering costumes are completely unaffected by this .
Except they are effected, their ability to express themselves has been greatly reduced.
@veloSylraptor
Where is this mad scramble for identity and self expression coming from? I suppose it's human nature, but I still find it disturbing. Are you really defined by the clothes we wear? Is flashy armour and cheapish crown store jewellery who you are?
And that's not even the worst part! Somehow you people feel entitled to subject everyone to your appearance. You have the right to look how you like, but I don't have the right to look away?
If someone isn't into clowns swaggering across the Grahtwood city centre, what good does it do anyone to force him to see those clowns. That person's fun and immersion will be ruined and the clown clown's outfit will not be appreciated, which is what would have made the clown happy.
With TES games always opting for rather conservative and toned down graphics and TESO starting out the same way, I think it's a very reasonable demand that ZOS cater to an audience that would prefer less over the top character customisation as well as to an audience that loves this feature.
I just don't get people who think they should always be allowed to have their fun, even if it comes at the expense of other people's fun.
It'd go easier on you in life if you didn't allow others indulging in harmless fun to ruin yours. Just a thought...
That's not my point and you know it.
I think it's very understandable that pink armour, glowing pets and sparkling mounts take away from the atmospheric feel of an otherwise conservative MMO in a medieval setting.
Is it a conservative medieval setting? Different regions in Tamriel have different aesthetic design. High Rock may be a conservative medieval setting, while Morrowind is designed to be alien. From Oblivion (and the Imperial City DLC here) We know Cyrodiil to be a grand majestic place with the Imperial City's towering buildings that would fit nowhere in a traditional conservative medieval setting. Also, Summerset clearly displays a high fantasy setting.
The look and feel of each region and cultures of Tamriel does present a huge diversity, would it not make sense that the people reflect the same?
Also, medieval times were a very colorful setting. Flashiness and extravagance all around! Except for peasants that is, but the cities, the nobles, the armies and the banner they carry? yup, everyone wants to display their wealth and prestige with all the options they have at the time.Edited by veloSylraptor on May 31, 2018 9:46AM2 -
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^this.. pls toggle viewing lightingsparklyshinyugly stuffEctheliontnacil wrote: »
I know this will probably never happen, but if ZOS could just tone it down a bit, or better yet, add a toggle to display everyone in vanilla armour and with normal mounts that would be awesome. Might also help performance.
I am annoyed that mostly the deep colours all add a glistening..
The day they do that is the day I stop buying costumes, pets, adornments and mounts entirely, no point anymore in a Multiplayer to buy them.
If it's ok hiding mine and others customization I'd rather play a single player game for which I can make and utilize 3d models and textures of way better quality than what I have now.
In ESO I value customization as one VERY important aspect and I truly doubt some people is going to spend hundreds of dollars on Crates to get apex and radiant mounts that no one will ever see, or even a dime on "common" items in the Store.
I find this idea utterly ridiculous, some people should stick to single player games if are so annoyed and bothered by others people tastes and customization choices.
Edited by RANKK7 on May 31, 2018 9:48AMlll
"I really don't know who the **** came off with this change. Definitely somebody who does not play the game, that's for sure".
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@veloSylraptorveloSylraptor wrote: »Ectheliontnacil wrote: »
@veloSylraptorveloSylraptor wrote: »Ectheliontnacil wrote: »@veloSylraptor
Yes, I have no problem with a two way toggle. If people want to see my khajiit sporting 12 inch heels, a 5 kg pearl necklace and a golden mini skirt while using the drag queen personality, that's totally fine by me.
My point all along was not to force anyone into seeing things they don't want to see.
And that still hasn't addressed the problem of veiling people for not having an approved identity or expression.
Well...
They wouldn't know they're being "veiled" so they can remain blissfully ignorant. If the possibility that someone you don't know and will never talk to you, may not be able to see your ESO toon upsets (correctly) you, the issue may not be with the game but with yourself.
And I despise the term "veiling" because I know where you're trying to take this discussion.
Except they would, the option existing means someone would use it. It would be safe to assume so.
And what word would you propose I replace it with? Does it not sufficiently describe the act of making people (their identities, and expression) invisible? So that people who disapprove of those identities and expression can conveniently behave as if those different people do not exist? You are talking of making people uniform and singular in their appearance, implying the assumption that there are correct and incorrect identities and expression that the people of Tamriel should or should not be able to express.
But your garish costume isn't your identity!
At least I hope it is not, for your sake. We're talking about hiding some of your outfits in an online game. If that throws you into an existential crisis, perhaps you should work on some of those issues personally.
I mean a lot of offices, dining areas and hotels have dresscodes. How do you deal with that? If I am required to attend a black tie event, I dress appropriately, doesn't faze me. Even though you don't always get to express yourself irl doesn't really bother anyone, except for some special snowflakes perhaps. But you seem to be deeply upset about my suggestion.
And I say this again. You would still look like a trigglypuff! And others would be allowed to enjoy a more immersive game at the same time. Edited by Ectheliontnacil on May 31, 2018 9:52AM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭to be perfectly honest... I adore how vivid the game has become. it cheers me up and inspires me to see some many people expressing themselves in such a variety of ways. I love being able to theme my characters around specific color schemes, i love that I could ride wide variety of mounts and play with all sorts of fantastical pets.
and also, what post above me said. vivid clothing is actualy pretty realistic for the setting. even peasants made it a point to save up for a bright hair ribbon or an accent of some sort, for market day outings. its the drab colors that do not make much sense.
I mean... if its possible to create something that hides the flash for you and ONLY for you /shrug. I'm just not sure just how difficult it would be or time consuming. meaning... is it worth it for ZoS to spend their limited resources on? (yes development resources are always limited. everyone has budgets and deadlines, even very profitable companies, so you have to pick and chose what you work on and what you shelve)dirty worthless casual.
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veloSylraptor✭✭✭Ectheliontnacil wrote: »
@veloSylraptorveloSylraptor wrote: »Ectheliontnacil wrote: »
@veloSylraptorveloSylraptor wrote: »Ectheliontnacil wrote: »@veloSylraptor
Yes, I have no problem with a two way toggle. If people want to see my khajiit sporting 12 inch heels, a 5 kg pearl necklace and a golden mini skirt while using the drag queen personality, that's totally fine by me.
My point all along was not to force anyone into seeing things they don't want to see.
And that still hasn't addressed the problem of veiling people for not having an approved identity or expression.
Well...
They wouldn't know they're being "veiled" so they can remain blissfully ignorant. If the possibility that someone you don't know and will never talk to you, may not be able to see your ESO toon upsets (correctly) you, the issue may not be with the game but with yourself.
And I despise the term "veiling" because I know where you're trying to take this discussion.
Except they would, the option existing means someone would use it. It would be safe to assume so.
And what word would you propose I replace it with? Does it not sufficiently describe the act of making people (their identities, and expression) invisible? So that people who disapprove of those identities and expression can conveniently behave as if those different people do not exist? You are talking of making people uniform and singular in their appearance, implying the assumption that there are correct and incorrect identities and expression that the people of Tamriel should or should not be able to express.
But your garish costume isn't your identity!
At least I hope it is not, for your sake. We're talking about hiding some of your outfits in an online game. If that throws you into an existential crisis, perhaps you should work on some of those issues personally.
I mean a lot of offices, dining areas and hotels have dresscodes. How do you deal with that? If I am required to attend a black tie event, I dress appropriately, doesn't faze me. Even though you don't always get to express yourself irl doesn't really bother anyone, except for some special snowflakes perhaps. But you seem to be deeply upset about my suggestion.
And I say this again. You would still look like a trigglypuff! And others would be allowed to enjoy a more immersive game at the same time.
Why would you assume it throws me into an existential crisis? I'm just saying you are clearly dismissing a sentiment held by many people that do not want to have their expressions silenced. If you truly want to see change here you will have to address them and persuade people. Simply dismissing their concerns and acting like they don't exist or do not deserve recognition as a concern will get you nowhere.
And again you have it backwards, let me repeat: my garish costume isn't my identity. my identity expresses itself through that garish costume.
And if events or places have dress codes I don't like, I don't go there. I happen to be privileged enough to be made an exception a lot of the time (simply because people tend to want me there, and they know I wouldn't be there if I had to wear something I don't like). And when I don't, well whatever, under no circumstances am I gonna be forced to wear something I don't like. But all this is irrelevant and has no bearing on the discussion about the game.
Again, I'm not upset at your suggestion. I'm pointing out that this would be a potential problem for many people, and of course ZoS as their profits might slip.
And here:
The day they do that is the day I stop buying costumes, pets, adornments and mounts entirely, no point anymore in a Multiplayer to buy them.
If it's ok hiding mine and others customization I'd rather play a single player game for which I can make and utilize 3d models and textures of way better quality than what I have now.
In ESO I value customization as one VERY important aspect and I truly doubt some people is going to spend hundreds of dollars on Crates to get apex and radiant mounts that no one will ever see, or even a dime on "common" items in the Store.
I find this idea utterly ridiculous, some people should stick to single player games if are so annoyed and bothered by others people tastes and customization choices.
We already see example of someone who would disapprove of being made invisible. I would also repeat the sentiment that I would stop spending money on the game. Nothing to do with being upset with your suggestion here, its just business: They stop giving me stuff I like, I stop paying them.
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lientier✭✭✭✭I actually always detested all the coldhabour settings because of the ugly shiny blue stuff.. but the rocks are igly there too.. well I mean its meant to be ugly but I never liked being there. and I think everything is much too much deadra deadra deadra.. and the "mundane" quests are still too few. always murder and deadra and overly dramatic.
I actually dont ride horses, because the cluttering of the hoves is annoying too.. but I mean I have nearly all the horses and they have names too..PC-EU @lientier1 -
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✭✭Ectheliontnacil wrote: »
@DieAlteHexeDieAlteHexe wrote: »Ectheliontnacil wrote: »veloSylraptor wrote: »Ectheliontnacil wrote: »What do you guys think of a toggle option that disables flashy things - aka replace all special mounts with horses, make pets disappear and maybe even the floating balls of certain sets. The more customizable the options, the better.
Ye that sounds good. And people who like vanity pets and glittering costumes are completely unaffected by this .
Except they are effected, their ability to express themselves has been greatly reduced.
@veloSylraptor
Where is this mad scramble for identity and self expression coming from? I suppose it's human nature, but I still find it disturbing. Are you really defined by the clothes we wear? Is flashy armour and cheapish crown store jewellery who you are?
And that's not even the worst part! Somehow you people feel entitled to subject everyone to your appearance. You have the right to look how you like, but I don't have the right to look away?
If someone isn't into clowns swaggering across the Grahtwood city centre, what good does it do anyone to force him to see those clowns. That person's fun and immersion will be ruined and the clown clown's outfit will not be appreciated, which is what would have made the clown happy.
With TES games always opting for rather conservative and toned down graphics and TESO starting out the same way, I think it's a very reasonable demand that ZOS cater to an audience that would prefer less over the top character customisation as well as to an audience that loves this feature.
I just don't get people who think they should always be allowed to have their fun, even if it comes at the expense of other people's fun.
It'd go easier on you in life if you didn't allow others indulging in harmless fun to ruin yours. Just a thought...
That's not my point and you know it.
I think it's very understandable that pink armour, glowing pets and sparkling mounts take away from the atmospheric feel of an otherwise conservative MMO in a medieval setting.
I can only go by what you type and you typed: "I just don't get people who think they should always be allowed to have their fun, even if it comes at the expense of other people's fun."
We do not get to define what happens in this game. If we are bothered by something, by all means bring it up as you have done but be prepared for others to share their opinion(s). That it ("flashy") bothers you when it seems to be something an awful lot of folk in game (based on what I see daily) really enjoy, well, see what I said previously about "others ruining your fun". Actually, they aren't. You are. You've set inflexible standards that even the developers of the game disagree with and now want people to adhere to those.
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veloSylraptor✭✭✭DieAlteHexe wrote: »Ectheliontnacil wrote: »
@DieAlteHexeDieAlteHexe wrote: »Ectheliontnacil wrote: »veloSylraptor wrote: »Ectheliontnacil wrote: »What do you guys think of a toggle option that disables flashy things - aka replace all special mounts with horses, make pets disappear and maybe even the floating balls of certain sets. The more customizable the options, the better.
Ye that sounds good. And people who like vanity pets and glittering costumes are completely unaffected by this .
Except they are effected, their ability to express themselves has been greatly reduced.
@veloSylraptor
Where is this mad scramble for identity and self expression coming from? I suppose it's human nature, but I still find it disturbing. Are you really defined by the clothes we wear? Is flashy armour and cheapish crown store jewellery who you are?
And that's not even the worst part! Somehow you people feel entitled to subject everyone to your appearance. You have the right to look how you like, but I don't have the right to look away?
If someone isn't into clowns swaggering across the Grahtwood city centre, what good does it do anyone to force him to see those clowns. That person's fun and immersion will be ruined and the clown clown's outfit will not be appreciated, which is what would have made the clown happy.
With TES games always opting for rather conservative and toned down graphics and TESO starting out the same way, I think it's a very reasonable demand that ZOS cater to an audience that would prefer less over the top character customisation as well as to an audience that loves this feature.
I just don't get people who think they should always be allowed to have their fun, even if it comes at the expense of other people's fun.
It'd go easier on you in life if you didn't allow others indulging in harmless fun to ruin yours. Just a thought...
That's not my point and you know it.
I think it's very understandable that pink armour, glowing pets and sparkling mounts take away from the atmospheric feel of an otherwise conservative MMO in a medieval setting.
I can only go by what you type and you typed: "I just don't get people who think they should always be allowed to have their fun, even if it comes at the expense of other people's fun."
We do not get to define what happens in this game. If we are bothered by something, by all means bring it up as you have done but be prepared for others to share their opinion(s). That it ("flashy") bothers you when it seems to be something an awful lot of folk in game (based on what I see daily) really enjoy, well, see what I said previously about "others ruining your fun". Actually, they aren't. You are. You've set inflexible standards that even the developers of the game disagree with and now want people to adhere to those.
I would be a bit kinder here and say, yes, I get it, sometimes people express themselves in ways we don't approve, and we may detest it. Yes, sometimes I see people with outfits I generally don't approve or just consider bad. But just as I am allowed to express myself within the system, so are they. I simply accept that different people are different.
Trying to enforce standard uniformity would bring up the question, "whose uniformity and standards should we enforce? why are your standards better than mine?" and all other sorts of question that will inevitable end in an unnecessary fight that could've easily been prevented by accepting different people are different, different people are not me.0 -
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✭✭veloSylraptor wrote: »DieAlteHexe wrote: »Ectheliontnacil wrote: »
@DieAlteHexeDieAlteHexe wrote: »Ectheliontnacil wrote: »veloSylraptor wrote: »Ectheliontnacil wrote: »What do you guys think of a toggle option that disables flashy things - aka replace all special mounts with horses, make pets disappear and maybe even the floating balls of certain sets. The more customizable the options, the better.
Ye that sounds good. And people who like vanity pets and glittering costumes are completely unaffected by this .
Except they are effected, their ability to express themselves has been greatly reduced.
@veloSylraptor
Where is this mad scramble for identity and self expression coming from? I suppose it's human nature, but I still find it disturbing. Are you really defined by the clothes we wear? Is flashy armour and cheapish crown store jewellery who you are?
And that's not even the worst part! Somehow you people feel entitled to subject everyone to your appearance. You have the right to look how you like, but I don't have the right to look away?
If someone isn't into clowns swaggering across the Grahtwood city centre, what good does it do anyone to force him to see those clowns. That person's fun and immersion will be ruined and the clown clown's outfit will not be appreciated, which is what would have made the clown happy.
With TES games always opting for rather conservative and toned down graphics and TESO starting out the same way, I think it's a very reasonable demand that ZOS cater to an audience that would prefer less over the top character customisation as well as to an audience that loves this feature.
I just don't get people who think they should always be allowed to have their fun, even if it comes at the expense of other people's fun.
It'd go easier on you in life if you didn't allow others indulging in harmless fun to ruin yours. Just a thought...
That's not my point and you know it.
I think it's very understandable that pink armour, glowing pets and sparkling mounts take away from the atmospheric feel of an otherwise conservative MMO in a medieval setting.
I can only go by what you type and you typed: "I just don't get people who think they should always be allowed to have their fun, even if it comes at the expense of other people's fun."
We do not get to define what happens in this game. If we are bothered by something, by all means bring it up as you have done but be prepared for others to share their opinion(s). That it ("flashy") bothers you when it seems to be something an awful lot of folk in game (based on what I see daily) really enjoy, well, see what I said previously about "others ruining your fun". Actually, they aren't. You are. You've set inflexible standards that even the developers of the game disagree with and now want people to adhere to those.
I would be a bit kinder here and say, yes, I get it, sometimes people express themselves in ways we don't approve, and we may detest it. Yes, sometimes I see people with outfits I generally don't approve or just consider bad. But just as I am allowed to express myself within the system, so are they. I simply accept that different people are different.
Trying to enforce standard uniformity would bring up the question, "whose uniformity and standards should we enforce? why are your standards better than mine?" and all other sorts of question that will inevitable end in an unnecessary fight that could've easily been prevented by accepting different people are different, different people are not me.
Well, that's good that you said it then, innit?
There are several things in this game where if I let them get to me, I'd not be enjoying myself nearly as much as I am and, to many, they would be considered silly. I'm good with that, perhaps they are! I have expressed how I feel about 'em and then set about avoiding them. I'm not asking for major changes to a design issue nor would I.
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Let us for a moment though, go back to the original message of the OP. I was concerned about this trend of increased character customisation which leads to more hilariously unrealistic and immersion breaking outfits, mounts and pets.
Now you defend this by calling it self expression and telling me an option to toggle this would be "veiling" of everyone who is different.
Well let's say I agree with all that. It still doesn't answer the problem stated in the OP. Where does it end? If my personality demands a flying mount to accompany me on my adventures should I get it? If I am a Darth Vader fan, why not add the polymorph?
All of these things would help a lot with self expression. And ZOS would make a killing with these items. At the same time it would upset a large portion of the playerbase though. At some point you have to draw the line, wouldn't you agree?
I have already said that I'm not hugely bothered by this, but if it keeps on getting worse, unicorn mounts with rainbows trailing after them will force me to quit. Already they're introducing Thanos gauntles...*sigh*
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✭✭Ectheliontnacil wrote: »@veloSylraptor
@DieAlteHexe
Let us for a moment though, go back to the original message of the OP. I was concerned about this trend of increased character customisation which leads to more hilariously unrealistic and immersion breaking outfits, mounts and pets.
Now you defend this by calling it self expression and telling me an option to toggle this would be "veiling" of everyone who is different.
Well let's say I agree with all that. It still doesn't answer the problem stated in the OP. Where does it end? If my personality demands a flying mount to accompany me on my adventures should I get it? If I am a Darth Vader fan, why not add the polymorph?
All of these things would help a lot with self expression. And ZOS would make a killing with these items. At the same time it would upset a large portion of the playerbase though. At some point you have to draw the line, wouldn't you agree?
I have already said that I'm not hugely bothered by this, but if it keeps on getting worse, unicorn mounts with rainbows trailing after them will force me to quit. Already they're introducing Thanos gauntles...*sigh*
It ends where ZoS decides it ends, just like all other aspects of the game. They collect their data and make decisions based on that. I love that MMOs evolve. I hate that MMOs evolve. Sometimes they evolve (in this case by adding "flashy" things) in a direction that irks some players, other times they score a direct hit and everyone loves the changes.
I could historically argue the "flashy" bit but I think someone else already did quite well. It was surprising how much colour was involved in the medieval period. The churches alone were mind-boggling and having to introduce sumptuary laws clearly indicates that the average person was getting way above themselves with the flash and so laws, actual laws, were made to govern that "flash".
I've two pet peeves that I have had to take my own advice and shine them on. Do I wish they could be changed? Sure but they won't be as they are firmly knitted into the game.
*whispers* I hope he doesn't see the "masqued unicorn steed" or the "White-Gold Imperial Courser".Edited by DieAlteHexe on May 31, 2018 11:24AM
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This is not a valid source of pink armour in medieval times. Edited by Ectheliontnacil on May 31, 2018 11:32AM0 -
veloSylraptor✭✭✭Ectheliontnacil wrote: »@veloSylraptor
@DieAlteHexe
Let us for a moment though, go back to the original message of the OP. I was concerned about this trend of increased character customisation which leads to more hilariously unrealistic and immersion breaking outfits, mounts and pets.
Now you defend this by calling it self expression and telling me an option to toggle this would be "veiling" of everyone who is different.
Well let's say I agree with all that. It still doesn't answer the problem stated in the OP. Where does it end? If my personality demands a flying mount to accompany me on my adventures should I get it? If I am a Darth Vader fan, why not add the polymorph?
All of these things would help a lot with self expression. And ZOS would make a killing with these items. At the same time it would upset a large portion of the playerbase though. At some point you have to draw the line, wouldn't you agree?
I have already said that I'm not hugely bothered by this, but if it keeps on getting worse, unicorn mounts with rainbows trailing after them will force me to quit. Already they're introducing Thanos gauntles...*sigh*
It ends whenever ZoS decides it ends. They have a license (of some kind) to develop the Elder Scrolls intellectual property, they work with Bethesda everyday to ensure cohesion within the IP. They get to decide what canon is, and what is or isn't lore breaking. These are all approved by the owner of the IP, and the less conventional designs will end whenever the IP holder decides it will end.
The toggle would in fact be veiling people simply because they are making people disappear. If a character is being misrepresented on your screen, then they have essentially had their identity, expression, and personhood erased; no more a person than a random minor NPC, their choices made for them by someone else.
As for arguing for ZoS to not go further in this direction, sure go ahead, that argument I will not as strongly oppose (although I do wish for more variety in armor styles either from new outfits or the crown store). I am simply opposing the act of making people disappear here. You would probably not find a strong objection from me in this thread until that toggle suggestion was made.
Now, lets not get into completely fruitless questions like: "Why not add a Darth Vader polymorph?"
Because:- Good luck getting Disney to approve that, else copyright infringement.
- Good luck getting Zenimax Media/Bethesda Softworks/Bethesda Game Studios or whoever owns the Elder Scrolls IP to approve that introduction to the Elder Scrolls series
- Good luck getting enough of a majority in the community to approve that
- Why the assumption that there is a slippery slope that would lead to this?
Be careful when asking rhetorical questions, they might just be answered and revealed to be not so rhetorical. Even rhetorical questions can be examined and broken down to reveal things that may not be immediately obvious on the surface.1 -
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✭✭Ectheliontnacil wrote: »
Err, no it isn't?
Well, I've spoken my piece and it's time for me to go frolic in Summerset. And no, I don't have ANY flashy armor. The flashiest I get is gold trim and that's not even on everything. I do tend to try within the strictures of an MMO to be authentic-ish...but that's because that's how I like it. If someone wants to wear pink and chartreuse armor, more power to 'em.
Now...about those tassets...
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✭✭✭✭✭DieAlteHexe wrote: »Ectheliontnacil wrote: »@veloSylraptor
@DieAlteHexe
Let us for a moment though, go back to the original message of the OP. I was concerned about this trend of increased character customisation which leads to more hilariously unrealistic and immersion breaking outfits, mounts and pets.
Now you defend this by calling it self expression and telling me an option to toggle this would be "veiling" of everyone who is different.
Well let's say I agree with all that. It still doesn't answer the problem stated in the OP. Where does it end? If my personality demands a flying mount to accompany me on my adventures should I get it? If I am a Darth Vader fan, why not add the polymorph?
All of these things would help a lot with self expression. And ZOS would make a killing with these items. At the same time it would upset a large portion of the playerbase though. At some point you have to draw the line, wouldn't you agree?
I have already said that I'm not hugely bothered by this, but if it keeps on getting worse, unicorn mounts with rainbows trailing after them will force me to quit. Already they're introducing Thanos gauntles...*sigh*
It ends where ZoS decides it ends, just like all other aspects of the game. They collect their data and make decisions based on that. I love that MMOs evolve. I hate that MMOs evolve. Sometimes they evolve (in this case by adding "flashy" things) in a direction that irks some players, other times they score a direct hit and everyone loves the changes.
I could historically argue the "flashy" bit but I think someone else already did quite well. It was surprising how much colour was involved in the medieval period. The churches alone were mind-boggling and having to introduce sumptuary laws clearly indicates that the average person was getting way above themselves with the flash and so laws, actual laws, were made to govern that "flash".
I've two pet peeves that I have had to take my own advice and shine them on. Do I wish they could be changed? Sure but they won't be as they are firmly knitted into the game.
*whispers* I hope he doesn't see the "masqued unicorn steed" or the "White-Gold Imperial Courser".
Pigments were pretty hard to come by in the past - especially colors like purple - which is used by high ranking church officials for example - and blue, which is not in vain called "royal" blue for example. To keep clothing in a clean white was as well pretty hard, and that made it the color of nobility and the color of virginity as well, which was of high value in the past. So I have nothing against such colors per se, I just think that particles are overused and some stuff could be a lot less "noisy" - like why does it have particle and noisy sounds when I put on a warden costume?- That is totally unnecessary and annoying.
But ZOS might not think like that - you see, they have no shame to put that huge ad into our face every time we log into the game world with another character - that is so annoying, but ZOS has no feeling for it otherwise this would have been removed already. They do not see that having to deal with stuff like this makes one unlikely to even want to buy something. And so it is with this glowing fluff mounts as well the more I see of those in the crown store, the less likely I get to want to buy a mount at all ... or anything really ... just because I hate, how they don't care about decency with this kind of stuff.Edited by Lysette on May 31, 2018 11:48AM0 -
JJBoomer✭✭✭✭✭Stop trying to apply real world logic and standards to a video game. That's just ridiculous. You're basically just trying to prevent other players from doing something that 100% harmless, just so YOU can have more fun.
The game would be boring, bleak, and ugly af if I had to play the way you want it to be.
Also, its your choice to be bothered by """flashy""" anything. That is a choice to feel that way. You allow your fun to be ruined, which is actually something you have control over, because the only thing you can control is you. Imagine choosing not to be bothered by this? Because that is a thing you can actually do. Maybe try some CBT and radical acceptance of things you don't like. You'll be a lot happier in the long run. But hey, if you want to be unhappy because of "flashy", well then enjoy being miserable in a video game.
Same thing goes for people who constantly want classes nerfed because it "ruins their fun".
how about, we stop trying to control the way other people play and just focus on ourselves? Or is that too difficult?Edited by JJBoomer on May 31, 2018 11:56AM3 -
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This guy has walked by my side since 2014. He's as flashy as pets get.
Edited by cHIIMEERa on May 31, 2018 11:52AM“Good judgement is the result of experience and experience the result of bad judgement.” ― Mark Twain2 -
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JJBoomer✭✭✭✭✭Ectheliontnacil wrote: »
oh, thank you. Point still stands though, despite a simple typing error. [Snip].
[Edited to remove bait]Edited by ZOS_KatP on June 1, 2018 1:04PM4 -
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@DieAlteHexeDieAlteHexe wrote: »
I thought you were frolicking in Summerset.0 -
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✭✭Ectheliontnacil wrote: »
@DieAlteHexeDieAlteHexe wrote: »
I thought you were frolicking in Summerset.
Alt-tab, it's a thing.
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