wildbear247 wrote: »After playing all of last weekend in CP Cyrodiil, I do not think Sloads is OP for that environment. Starting last patch I've been running Purge on my non-cloak stamblade, and Sloads was hitting from 3--5k dmg on my death recaps. In no-CP I could see this being a real problem, but for CP PvP it seems okay & provides a counter to cloak.
The most potent thing I saw this weekend was the sorc combo involving rune cage & meteor. I saw sorcs nuking people with it, and I see more sorcs this patch, so they got a nice damage buff. Mag wardens could still use some buffs.
I don't think we should be nerfing anything just yet until we had more time with the changes. The one exception is proc sets should be relooked for no-CP PvP, especially Sloads.
As a disclaimer, if it were up to me I'd make it so no damaging proc sets affected players, and I would make snake blood (alchemy passive) reduce the potency of poisons applied on you in order to make this game as competitive and skill based as possible, but I'm not in change of balance. So we need to either adapt to the proc meta or continue raging. Your choice.
WaltherCarraway wrote: »Ectheliontnacil wrote: »Is this another issue of "how to trigger the forums in one sentence"? ^^
Eatin popcorn wanna join me
Yeah that's right it's not OP. As a matter of fact I encourage you to use it since it will increase my survivability as a medium armor wearer. Here's the truth of the matter, Sloads is weak against non-cloak medium armored builds because we're used to undodgeable proc sets that rip through our health. Want to really destroy a medium armor build? Use Caluurion or Zaan. What Sloads is strong against are cloaking Nightblades, and play styles that rely on damage shields. Thinking about using Caluurion, Sloads' and Zaan/Skoria? Go right ahead. If you're going against a competent player like me you'll die first because you're not spec'd for resource management or survivability.
Damage shields is an untouched defense mechanic when it comes to abilities, and mist form is a better escape than both cloak and streak in most cases. Both of these defense mechanics are the most affected by Sload's and I say it's about time.
ZOS I would actually like to see more oblivion damage in PvE because if you think shields are strong in PvP they are way stronger in PvE.
So if you want to use a proc set; may I suggest thinking about what kind of opponent gives you a hard time, and spec accordingly.
If you struggle against medium armored builds then go with Skoria, Zaan or Caluurion.
If you struggle against cloaking Nightblades or magSorcs then go with Sloads.
If you struggle against magplars then go with Duroks, and use minor defile poisons.
Cheers, and may the proc be with you.
As a disclaimer, if it were up to me I'd make it so no damaging proc sets affected players, and I would make snake blood (alchemy passive) reduce the potency of poisons applied on you in order to make this game as competitive and skill based as possible, but I'm not in change of balance. So we need to either adapt to the proc meta or continue raging. Your choice.
Yeah that's right it's not OP. As a matter of fact I encourage you to use it since it will increase my survivability as a medium armor wearer. Here's the truth of the matter, Sloads is weak against non-cloak medium armored builds because we're used to undodgeable proc sets that rip through our health. Want to really destroy a medium armor build? Use Caluurion or Zaan. What Sloads is strong against are cloaking Nightblades, and play styles that rely on damage shields. Thinking about using Caluurion, Sloads' and Zaan/Skoria? Go right ahead. If you're going against a competent player like me you'll die first because you're not spec'd for resource management or survivability.
Damage shields is an untouched defense mechanic when it comes to abilities, and mist form is a better escape than both cloak and streak in most cases. Both of these defense mechanics are the most affected by Sload's and I say it's about time.
ZOS I would actually like to see more oblivion damage in PvE because if you think shields are strong in PvP they are way stronger in PvE.
So if you want to use a proc set; may I suggest thinking about what kind of opponent gives you a hard time, and spec accordingly.
If you struggle against medium armored builds then go with Skoria, Zaan or Caluurion.
If you struggle against cloaking Nightblades or magSorcs then go with Sloads.
If you struggle against magplars then go with Duroks, and use minor defile poisons.
Cheers, and may the proc be with you.
As a disclaimer, if it were up to me I'd make it so no damaging proc sets affected players, and I would make snake blood (alchemy passive) reduce the potency of poisons applied on you in order to make this game as competitive and skill based as possible, but I'm not in change of balance. So we need to either adapt to the proc meta or continue raging. Your choice.
combine sloads with durogs bane master dual wield dagger and axe with drain poisons and zan's gg its cancer
Yeah that's right it's not OP. As a matter of fact I encourage you to use it since it will increase my survivability as a medium armor wearer. Here's the truth of the matter, Sloads is weak against non-cloak medium armored builds because we're used to undodgeable proc sets that rip through our health. Want to really destroy a medium armor build? Use Caluurion or Zaan. What Sloads is strong against are cloaking Nightblades, and play styles that rely on damage shields. Thinking about using Caluurion, Sloads' and Zaan/Skoria? Go right ahead. If you're going against a competent player like me you'll die first because you're not spec'd for resource management or survivability.
Damage shields is an untouched defense mechanic when it comes to abilities, and mist form is a better escape than both cloak and streak in most cases. Both of these defense mechanics are the most affected by Sload's and I say it's about time.
ZOS I would actually like to see more oblivion damage in PvE because if you think shields are strong in PvP they are way stronger in PvE.
So if you want to use a proc set; may I suggest thinking about what kind of opponent gives you a hard time, and spec accordingly.
If you struggle against medium armored builds then go with Skoria, Zaan or Caluurion.
If you struggle against cloaking Nightblades or magSorcs then go with Sloads.
If you struggle against magplars then go with Duroks, and use minor defile poisons.
Cheers, and may the proc be with you.
As a disclaimer, if it were up to me I'd make it so no damaging proc sets affected players, and I would make snake blood (alchemy passive) reduce the potency of poisons applied on you in order to make this game as competitive and skill based as possible, but I'm not in change of balance. So we need to either adapt to the proc meta or continue raging. Your choice.
combine sloads with durogs bane master dual wield dagger and axe with drain poisons and zan's gg its cancer
Working as intended. This game isn’t about player skill anymore - it’s about who hardcounters what. Don’t run solo.
Lol, so because you don't know how to survive in pvp means taking away the MAIN mechanic of a nb? Sloads needs to be fixed.. ZOS loves to passively nerf nbs every patch and this one is the ultimate one.. They might as well just remove nb from game!
Lol, so because you don't know how to survive in pvp means taking away the MAIN mechanic of a nb? Sloads needs to be fixed.. ZOS loves to passively nerf nbs every patch and this one is the ultimate one.. They might as well just remove nb from game!
What the hell are you on about?
This was in a game with 3 SLOADS and 2 ZAANs present. I'm a STAMBLADE too.
Can you people stop? You people have no idea how this game even works. I'm doing just fine unless I'm directly outnumbered.
Use a different build, make one yourself - idc - just STOP thinking that copying stuff from Alcast or w/e will make you a pro.
Yeah that's right it's not OP. As a matter of fact I encourage you to use it since it will increase my survivability as a medium armor wearer. Here's the truth of the matter, Sloads is weak against non-cloak medium armored builds because we're used to undodgeable proc sets that rip through our health. Want to really destroy a medium armor build? Use Caluurion or Zaan. What Sloads is strong against are cloaking Nightblades, and play styles that rely on damage shields. Thinking about using Caluurion, Sloads' and Zaan/Skoria? Go right ahead. If you're going against a competent player like me you'll die first because you're not spec'd for resource management or survivability.
Damage shields is an untouched defense mechanic when it comes to abilities, and mist form is a better escape than both cloak and streak in most cases. Both of these defense mechanics are the most affected by Sload's and I say it's about time.
ZOS I would actually like to see more oblivion damage in PvE because if you think shields are strong in PvP they are way stronger in PvE.
So if you want to use a proc set; may I suggest thinking about what kind of opponent gives you a hard time, and spec accordingly.
If you struggle against medium armored builds then go with Skoria, Zaan or Caluurion.
If you struggle against cloaking Nightblades or magSorcs then go with Sloads.
If you struggle against magplars then go with Duroks, and use minor defile poisons.
Cheers, and may the proc be with you.
As a disclaimer, if it were up to me I'd make it so no damaging proc sets affected players, and I would make snake blood (alchemy passive) reduce the potency of poisons applied on you in order to make this game as competitive and skill based as possible, but I'm not in change of balance. So we need to either adapt to the proc meta or continue raging. Your choice.
combine sloads with durogs bane master dual wield dagger and axe with drain poisons and zan's gg its cancer
Working as intended. This game isn’t about player skill anymore - it’s about who hardcounters what. Don’t run solo.
I would say item-optimization is apart of the term "skill". Failing to pick the right gear for the job shows lack of skill in my opinion.
Back when the amount of proc-sets where a lot less than it is today it was all about stacking stats, which was incredibly boring. Personally don´t want to go back to that (I´m not implying certain sets doesn´t need re-balance). Proc-sets (both offensive and defensive ones) makes PvP more interesting and more fun.
Lol, so because you don't know how to survive in pvp means taking away the MAIN mechanic of a nb? Sloads needs to be fixed.. ZOS loves to passively nerf nbs every patch and this one is the ultimate one.. They might as well just remove nb from game!
What the hell are you on about?
This was in a game with 3 SLOADS and 2 ZAANs present. I'm a STAMBLADE too.
Can you people stop? You people have no idea how this game even works. I'm doing just fine unless I'm directly outnumbered.
Use a different build, make one yourself - idc - just STOP thinking that copying stuff from Alcast or w/e will make you a pro.
Lol, so because you don't know how to survive in pvp means taking away the MAIN mechanic of a nb? Sloads needs to be fixed.. ZOS loves to passively nerf nbs every patch and this one is the ultimate one.. They might as well just remove nb from game!
What the hell are you on about?
This was in a game with 3 SLOADS and 2 ZAANs present. I'm a STAMBLADE too.
Can you people stop? You people have no idea how this game even works. I'm doing just fine unless I'm directly outnumbered.
Use a different build, make one yourself - idc - just STOP thinking that copying stuff from Alcast or w/e will make you a pro.
I was getting these kind of scores before Summerset with nothing more than Hundings rage and bone pirate. And the highest scoring team I've seen was an all magsorc team. I guess we can only attribute to them being OP, and carried by their class rather than attribute to player skill right?
Lol, so because you don't know how to survive in pvp means taking away the MAIN mechanic of a nb? Sloads needs to be fixed.. ZOS loves to passively nerf nbs every patch and this one is the ultimate one.. They might as well just remove nb from game!
What the hell are you on about?
This was in a game with 3 SLOADS and 2 ZAANs present. I'm a STAMBLADE too.
Can you people stop? You people have no idea how this game even works. I'm doing just fine unless I'm directly outnumbered.
Use a different build, make one yourself - idc - just STOP thinking that copying stuff from Alcast or w/e will make you a pro.
I was getting these kind of scores before Summerset with nothing more than Hundings rage and bone pirate. And the highest scoring team I've seen was an all magsorc team. I guess we can only attribute to them being OP, and carried by their class rather than attribute to player skill right?
Lol, so because you don't know how to survive in pvp means taking away the MAIN mechanic of a nb? Sloads needs to be fixed.. ZOS loves to passively nerf nbs every patch and this one is the ultimate one.. They might as well just remove nb from game!
What the hell are you on about?
This was in a game with 3 SLOADS and 2 ZAANs present. I'm a STAMBLADE too.
Can you people stop? You people have no idea how this game even works. I'm doing just fine unless I'm directly outnumbered.
Use a different build, make one yourself - idc - just STOP thinking that copying stuff from Alcast or w/e will make you a pro.
Nice game. Going 30-0-23 probably says nothing about the sets and more about a vast difference in player skill though. Given this is BGs, you probably played against 2 really bad PuGs.
Besides, your caveat is part of the problem - most things are just fine unless „directly outnumbered“.
Lol, so because you don't know how to survive in pvp means taking away the MAIN mechanic of a nb? Sloads needs to be fixed.. ZOS loves to passively nerf nbs every patch and this one is the ultimate one.. They might as well just remove nb from game!
What the hell are you on about?
This was in a game with 3 SLOADS and 2 ZAANs present. I'm a STAMBLADE too.
Can you people stop? You people have no idea how this game even works. I'm doing just fine unless I'm directly outnumbered.
Use a different build, make one yourself - idc - just STOP thinking that copying stuff from Alcast or w/e will make you a pro.
I was getting these kind of scores before Summerset with nothing more than Hundings rage and bone pirate. And the highest scoring team I've seen was an all magsorc team. I guess we can only attribute to them being OP, and carried by their class rather than attribute to player skill right?
Use sloads. Lose out on other stats. Silly people.
Skill:Yeah that's right it's not OP. As a matter of fact I encourage you to use it since it will increase my survivability as a medium armor wearer. Here's the truth of the matter, Sloads is weak against non-cloak medium armored builds because we're used to undodgeable proc sets that rip through our health. Want to really destroy a medium armor build? Use Caluurion or Zaan. What Sloads is strong against are cloaking Nightblades, and play styles that rely on damage shields. Thinking about using Caluurion, Sloads' and Zaan/Skoria? Go right ahead. If you're going against a competent player like me you'll die first because you're not spec'd for resource management or survivability.
Damage shields is an untouched defense mechanic when it comes to abilities, and mist form is a better escape than both cloak and streak in most cases. Both of these defense mechanics are the most affected by Sload's and I say it's about time.
ZOS I would actually like to see more oblivion damage in PvE because if you think shields are strong in PvP they are way stronger in PvE.
So if you want to use a proc set; may I suggest thinking about what kind of opponent gives you a hard time, and spec accordingly.
If you struggle against medium armored builds then go with Skoria, Zaan or Caluurion.
If you struggle against cloaking Nightblades or magSorcs then go with Sloads.
If you struggle against magplars then go with Duroks, and use minor defile poisons.
Cheers, and may the proc be with you.
As a disclaimer, if it were up to me I'd make it so no damaging proc sets affected players, and I would make snake blood (alchemy passive) reduce the potency of poisons applied on you in order to make this game as competitive and skill based as possible, but I'm not in change of balance. So we need to either adapt to the proc meta or continue raging. Your choice.
combine sloads with durogs bane master dual wield dagger and axe with drain poisons and zan's gg its cancer
Working as intended. This game isn’t about player skill anymore - it’s about who hardcounters what. Don’t run solo.
I would say item-optimization is apart of the term "skill". Failing to pick the right gear for the job shows lack of skill in my opinion.
Back when the amount of proc-sets where a lot less than it is today it was all about stacking stats, which was incredibly boring. Personally don´t want to go back to that (I´m not implying certain sets doesn´t need re-balance). Proc-sets (both offensive and defensive ones) makes PvP more interesting and more fun.
No it’s not lol. Skill -> player skill.
Item optimization definitely played into the strengths of a player in the past. A good player made much better use of stat gear sets than others because they enhanced what a player was already capable of. They didn’t outright do the work for you.
However, this is no longer the case. Slot Sloads, or Shieldbreaker, or Skoria, etc on a tanky build and watch your armor sets do the work for you. Armor sets doing the work diminishes the need for player skill to be the vast majority of what decides an outcome. So in essence, what was once a bad player with no skill could barely hurt you. Due to powerful proc sets that do the work for them, these bad players are now on the level of what was once considered a “decent” player who can truly apply pressure.
Add in tons of nerfs to solo players overtime and RIP - that is why solo play is no longer a thing in Cyrodiil to any great effect like it once was. There is a reason Viper was nerfed. It looks like ZOS learned nothing from that.
Complaining that you don't want to do X in a game because "it doesn't take skill" is a common scrub complaint. The concept of "skill" is yet another excuse to add fictional rules and avoid making the best moves. Curiously, scrubs often talk about how they have skill whereas other players—very much including the ones who beat them flat out—do not have skill. This might be some sort of ego defense mechanism where people define "skill" as whatever subset of the game they're good at and then elevate that above actually trying to win.
Drummerx04 wrote: »I'll comment here as well.
When sorcs complained about shieldbreaker, the community pretty collectively told them to suck it up. Now oblivion damage sets affect everyone and they think it's OP.
Come talk to me when you get ambushed on your magsorc by three skilled stamblades wearing shieldbreaker.
No skilled nightblade would run shieldbreaker lmao
Lol, so because you don't know how to survive in pvp means taking away the MAIN mechanic of a nb? Sloads needs to be fixed.. ZOS loves to passively nerf nbs every patch and this one is the ultimate one.. They might as well just remove nb from game!