Would you like to see the Werewolf's heal scale on stamina instead of magicka?

Arobain · May 2018

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jlmurra2 · May 2018

Yes

My only werewolf character is a stamina sorcerer, so yes, but I find werewolf is best used for burst damage. Staying in that form too long usually gets me killed, so a better heal would be nice, but I'm unsure would make a significant difference.

Sky_WK · May 2018

Just wanted to see the poll

Pelinial's and shh.

Chrlynsch · May 2018

While I don't think that changing all of the heals over to stam based would be the right thing to do, I do think Hircine's Fortitude should be reworked.

Make it a toggle, Adding Health regen when not active, after activating you gain a medium range aoe hot that also reveals enemies. Toggling stops mag regen and costs 2k per second to keep active.

This gives stamina wolves more survivability. With a stealth removal mechanic at the loss of burst heal and damage increase.

RouDeR · May 2018

No

Worst idea ever ,
This Heal is the ONLY good skill in the WW skill line .

Avalon · May 2018

OTHER

I'd like to see certain parts of the werewolf be available outside of werewolf form. It isn't like you just stop being a WW when you aren't wolfing out. They should have a lot of stuff, just like Vampire, available in normal form. But, everything should be based on whatever your stat is... there have been WW shamans, too! They aren't stamina...

Sergykid · May 2018

Yes

Avalon wrote: »

OTHER

I'd like to see certain parts of the werewolf be available outside of werewolf form. It isn't like you just stop being a WW when you aren't wolfing out. They should have a lot of stuff, just like Vampire, available in normal form. But, everything should be based on whatever your stat is... there have been WW shamans, too! They aren't stamina...

you have a werewolf advantage with an ability slotted, 15% stam regen with the ult.
would be fairer between the two if vampire required an ability slotted for its passives, like most skill lines require.

Arobain · May 2018

RouDeR wrote: »

Worst idea ever ,
This Heal is the ONLY good skill in the WW skill line .

lol wut

Arobain · May 2018

Sky_WK wrote: »

Pelinial's and shh.

absolutely, but you lose out on an entire 5 pc just to make the heal good

Pink_Violinz · May 2018

Yes

I don't understand why it's magicka to begin with. Werewolf is used solely by stam, so basing their heal off of magicka is just weird.

AuldWolf · May 2018

Yes

Ah, werewolves. Our beloved lycanthropes are so very undermined when compared against other trees. I find myself wishing an erstwhile wish that ZOS would fix them up and turn the ability into a toggle so that werewolves would actually be a worthwhile investment. Thematically, I love werewolves. Generally though they're fairly useless in play -- They don't last long enough (they're either killed too quickly or the timer runs out if you don't have a large group of werewolves, and it's stressful to eat all the time), and the hassles of using them (such as losing one's Undaunted taunt) don't make them worthwhile.

I'd love to see the heal become a stamina heal, but I'd also love to see so, so much more. Werewolves deserve better.

Aznox · May 2018

No

Werewolf is fine in my opinion, you just need to build around it and practice.

Buffing the healing in any way would make nerfing its damage mandatory.

Removing the magicka heal would kill what's unique about werewolf and make build creation bland and boring.

Aebaradath · May 2018

Yes

Sky_WK wrote: »

Pelinial's and shh.

By Reman... Why?

Why do people put an 'i' in there? Pelinal. Say it with me. PELINAL.

Marginis · May 2018

Just wanted to see the poll

Magicka/hybrid tank that uses werewolf purely for the stamina regen here.

I don't know if I'd mind the change terribly much, but I'm fine with it as is.

josiahva · May 2018

Yes

Marginis wrote: »

Magicka/hybrid tank that uses werewolf purely for the stamina regen here.

I don't know if I'd mind the change terribly much, but I'm fine with it as is.

You are far better off with vampire than werewolf for that build....werewolf as it is is only decent in non-cp PvP. The vampire passives with give regen for both stam and magicka.

While you have Vampirism stage 2 or higher:

Increases Magicka and Stamina recovery by 10%.

No slotted skills needed. The undeath passive essentially negates the fire susceptibility...even more so if you happen to be a Dunmer...which is the class I would choose for that particular build.

GaunterODim · May 2018

Yes

Id like to see the heal being scaled on stam and therefor have the fear cost magicka instead.

Marginis · May 2018

Just wanted to see the poll

josiahva wrote: »

Marginis wrote: »

Magicka/hybrid tank that uses werewolf purely for the stamina regen here.

I don't know if I'd mind the change terribly much, but I'm fine with it as is.

You are far better off with vampire than werewolf for that build....werewolf as it is is only decent in non-cp PvP. The vampire passives with give regen for both stam and magicka.

While you have Vampirism stage 2 or higher:

Increases Magicka and Stamina recovery by 10%.

No slotted skills needed. The undeath passive essentially negates the fire susceptibility...even more so if you happen to be a Dunmer...which is the class I would choose for that particular build.

The slot wouldn't be used for anything else, as I only use one ultimate, and that's on my other bar. Additionally, vampirism comes with several negatives that aren't very helpful as a tank (Yes, I know you addressed fire susceptibility, but essentially is not the same as actually, health regen actually makes a difference, believe it or not, and I happen to hate the way vampires look (I've ranked up both vampire and werewolf to 10 on my tank, so I know)).

Qbiken · May 2018

No

Will copy what I wrote on the werewolf discord made by one of the class-representatives:

The preaching for this skill to scale of max stamina and weapon-damage is a bad idea. First you need to understand that this healing has one of the best scaling (aka the amount of heal you get for each invested points into spell-damage and max magicka) in the game. Using the same calculations but making it scale of weapon-damage and max stamina would make it the best heal in the game. Adjust your build and the heal is really useful

Werewolfs also need a magicka dump. Their sustain is already difficult to deal with, having another skill that costs stamina is just really bad move. Having a skill that costs magicka actually helps werewolfs with their sustain indirectly

If you aim to play a "permawolf" playstyle, don´t run solo. And if you run solo, aim to build for a more burst oriented build (or an extremely tanky build). If you go for a burst oriented playstyle, you don´t need to utilize Hircine´s Rage as a heal, you only use it for the 14% extra weapon-damage.

I find it funny that the people that are experienced with werewolf think the heal is fine while the ones who isn´t want it to scale of weapon-damage and max stamina......coincidence??

josiahva wrote: »

Marginis wrote: »

Magicka/hybrid tank that uses werewolf purely for the stamina regen here.

I don't know if I'd mind the change terribly much, but I'm fine with it as is.

You are far better off with vampire than werewolf for that build....werewolf as it is is only decent in non-cp PvP. The vampire passives with give regen for both stam and magicka

While you have Vampirism stage 2 or higher:

Increases Magicka and Stamina recovery by 10%.

No slotted skills needed. The undeath passive essentially negates the fire susceptibility...even more so if you happen to be a Dunmer...which is the class I would choose for that particular build.

Werewolf is far better in CP-campaigns but whatever.....

Arobain · May 2018

I feel people don't know; but ZOS can reduce scaling with abilities and can make abilities scale with stamina but cost Magicka @Qbiken

Qbiken · May 2018

No

Arobain wrote: »

I feel people don't know; but ZOS can reduce scaling with abilities and can make abilities scale with stamina but cost Magicka @Qbiken

Sure, ZOS can do that, but what´s the point of changing it then? If you want good heal there´s a trade of doing so as a werewolf, that´s what makes theorycrafting a werewolf build interesting.

99% of all issues people have with werewolf´s are "L2P-issues". I don´t know how many times I´ll say it but:

Werewolf´s doesn´t need any major overhaul. They need bug-fixes. Fixing currently known bugs will make them even more viable, especially in PvP. Seeing people making suggestions how to "fix" werewolf´s is giving me nightmares....

Elusiin · May 2018

No

If they do, I hope the heal is cut in half, otherwise werewolves will never die... They're already hard to kill >_>

Arobain · May 2018

Do you have an use a successful werewolf? I have a werewolf and I'm successful but I'm curious if you do

worsttankever · May 2018

Qbiken wrote: »

Will copy what I wrote on the werewolf discord made by one of the class-representatives:

Can you share or PM me the link to the Werewolf discord ? I’d like to join !

Valen_Byte · May 2018

Sergykid wrote: »

Avalon wrote: »

OTHER

I'd like to see certain parts of the werewolf be available outside of werewolf form. It isn't like you just stop being a WW when you aren't wolfing out. They should have a lot of stuff, just like Vampire, available in normal form. But, everything should be based on whatever your stat is... there have been WW shamans, too! They aren't stamina...

you have a werewolf advantage with an ability slotted, 15% stam regen with the ult.
would be fairer between the two if vampire required an ability slotted for its passives, like most skill lines require.

Give vamps a full skill bar, make it so I can lvl vamp from 0-10 in 30 min, just like WW, and Id go for needing a skill slotted.

Aznox · May 2018

No

If you were successful as a werewolf you would not be asking for such a change.

mb10 · May 2018

Yes

Everyone voting no obviously doesnt play werewolf lol how can you be against this?

Qbiken · May 2018

No

mb10 wrote: »

Everyone voting no obviously doesnt play werewolf lol how can you be against this?

Because we´ve played werewolf long enough to realise two things:

1. Werewolf don´t need it, if you´ve problem surviving without a big burst heal in werewolf form it´s a L2P issue
2. It would make werewolf´s so broken OP they would´ve to be nerfed somewhere else.

Arobain wrote: »

Do you have an use a successful werewolf? I have a werewolf and I'm successful but I'm curious if you do

I´ve several successful werewolf builds (most success with stamsorc and stamplar). Only class I haven´t played werewolf on is on warden, and the reason is simply because it´s kinda time consuming gearing up 5 different werewolf-characters and test them all. All those builds are different from eachother but none of them are in need of a werewolf heal scaling of weapon-damage and max stamina.

Aznox · May 2018

No

mb10 wrote: »

Everyone voting no obviously doesnt play werewolf lol how can you be against this?

I'm probably one of the 10 guys on PC EU who spends the most time as a Werewolf in PvP.

Giving just as low as a 15% boost to werewolf survivability would make it OP.

josiahva · May 2018

Yes

Marginis wrote: »

josiahva wrote: »

Marginis wrote: »

Magicka/hybrid tank that uses werewolf purely for the stamina regen here.

I don't know if I'd mind the change terribly much, but I'm fine with it as is.

You are far better off with vampire than werewolf for that build....werewolf as it is is only decent in non-cp PvP. The vampire passives with give regen for both stam and magicka.

While you have Vampirism stage 2 or higher:

Increases Magicka and Stamina recovery by 10%.

No slotted skills needed. The undeath passive essentially negates the fire susceptibility...even more so if you happen to be a Dunmer...which is the class I would choose for that particular build.

The slot wouldn't be used for anything else, as I only use one ultimate, and that's on my other bar. Additionally, vampirism comes with several negatives that aren't very helpful as a tank (Yes, I know you addressed fire susceptibility, but essentially is not the same as actually, health regen actually makes a difference, believe it or not, and I happen to hate the way vampires look (I've ranked up both vampire and werewolf to 10 on my tank, so I know)).

Health regen really doesn't matter unless you build for it(and thats virtually worthless), and you should ALWAYS have an alternate ultimate available depending on the situation...for instance front bar for me is barrier(barely ever used) and warhorn backbar(which is mostly used), however there are times when barrier is certainly more important than warhorn, even when it doesnt hit anyone but you(when the 3rd amalgam spawns in vBF for example, since a dead tank means insta-wipe for the group with all 3 amalgams up and no taunts on them). Especially with the addition of meditate to the tank toolkit, health regen is even more useless than it used to be. I dont need the regen even without a healer...this is why I have shields and green dragon blood. As for how vampires look? who cares? I never take my helm off anyway, it really doesn't matter what I look like. My most hated buff on an armor set: healing received...its as worthless as health regen with a halfway decent healer and/or a tank that has a couple shields. Most times my shields are enough to take care of any incoming damage, and the little healing I need if working without a healer is taken care of by the red diamond passive, along with green dragon blood....spam the ice staff heavy and you can heal forever with green dragon blood...or at least until you are caught by some mechanic you cant do anything about

RouDeR · May 2018

No

Scrubos pls , go back to light attacking in random dungeons queues. Werewolf heal is fine the way it is right now , learn to play or gtfo.

Arobain · June 2018

RouDeR wrote: »

Scrubos pls , go back to light attacking in random dungeons queues. Werewolf heal is fine the way it is right now , learn to play or gtfo.

Lol I love how you assume that I don't know how to play werewolf and don't have,a build because I asked a legitimate question; idiot

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