Trial finders

IwakuraLain42 · May 2018

SBC wrote: »

IwakuraLain42 wrote: »

SBC wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

I’d like a LFG interface instead, which lets you select and detail the kind of party/ people you want: casual, clear, hardcore completion, achievement farming, pledges. The social interface in this game is terrible and they’re making money hand over fist so there’s no excuse.

This would be where my vote goes. The way FFXIV has their group screen setup is quite nice. You can detail what you're looking for and who you need, and you can add and remove from there before you get inside. Jumping zone instances to find the last 2-3 you need can be quite annoying at times. I wouldn't want it setup like the dungeon finder is.

As for those saying vet would be terrible this way, the easiest solution to that is not to use it. For those that want the dice roll and headache at the chance to complete a pug vet trial, go for it.

FF14 does this slightly different: you have the Duty Finder (that is equivalent to our Activity Finder) that you can use for normal Raids and the Party Finder (that is what you described) that is used to create general groups.
The last one is used for their equivalent of the Vet Trials.

But then again that game has a strict role structure, you can't cheat healer/tank roles there.

Ya you're right, I didn't consider people cheating their roles. However, in all the pugs I've run for normal, no one ever lies about their role like with DF. I've also found it never makes much of a difference. Normal trials are pretty face roll.

If you're running vets you probably already have a trial guild anyway.

Considering the stupid amount of self-heal everyone has I don't see a problem with Normal trials here as well (this is obviously different in FF14 ...)
I wouldn't try Veteran trials that way here, but a system like the Party Finder would be nice (actually the ESO team could borrow a few good ideas from FF)

TelvanniWizard · May 2018

Much needed feature. Give it to us please!

Silver_Strider · May 2018

IwakuraLain42 wrote: »

SBC wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

I’d like a LFG interface instead, which lets you select and detail the kind of party/ people you want: casual, clear, hardcore completion, achievement farming, pledges. The social interface in this game is terrible and they’re making money hand over fist so there’s no excuse.

This would be where my vote goes. The way FFXIV has their group screen setup is quite nice. You can detail what you're looking for and who you need, and you can add and remove from there before you get inside. Jumping zone instances to find the last 2-3 you need can be quite annoying at times. I wouldn't want it setup like the dungeon finder is.

As for those saying vet would be terrible this way, the easiest solution to that is not to use it. For those that want the dice roll and headache at the chance to complete a pug vet trial, go for it.

FF14 does this slightly different: you have the Duty Finder (that is equivalent to our Activity Finder) that you can use for normal Raids and the Party Finder (that is what you described) that is used to create general groups.
The last one is used for their equivalent of the Vet Trials.

But then again that game has a strict role structure, you can't cheat healer/tank roles there.

Clear roles and people STILL fail at their jobs. The number of times I had to tank enemies on my MNK DPS or Healers is ridiculous, even if I used my aggro dump skills (MNK had no chill until very recently which doesn't couple well with a class that has the higest single target damage in the game)

LadyLethalla · May 2018

I'd like to find an Oceanic Trials guild on PS4 EU... but it looks like the only way I'm going to be part of one is if I make my own. Even then... idk if there'd be enough people even to unlock the guild bank.

idk · May 2018

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

idk wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

idk wrote: »

We have trial finder. It is called a guild.

Granted, craglorn normal trials could work in GF. vMoL and vHoF will probably often be a train wreck. Vet versions is an absolute perfect storm and should never be part of GF>

Zos could put forward rewards for grouping for a random normal trial but that would just mean the guilds will use it if they want the reward.

Guilds don't run trials every night, they have a set schedule. If you can't make that schedule, you're SOL.

There are guild that run trials most every day. Even outside of that I have been in guilds that raid 4-5 nights a week.

If you are in an active guild and want to raid then organize it.

If you are not in a guild where they do any raiding, find a guild that does. We have 5 guild slots. Heck, as for normal raids you can organize them from your trade guild. It really is that simple. Even in another game that does actually have normal raids in GF, it rarely pops.

Even your comment that guilds run raids on strict schedules is not entirely correct. A raid guild runs scheduled raids and impromptu raids. How do you think the weekly leaderboard fills. Mostly impromptu raids.

Mostly what is missing in active guilds is someone to actually bother to get 12 people together (and in the right roles).

Be the solution.

Why be a solution for something that can be automated?

And guilds don't run the trial you need every night. Let's say you're farming Siroria right now. You want to get it over and done with asap. This is where group finder would be ideal. Rather than running the trial over 5 weeks with your guild (once a week, logging in on the exact day they do the trial you need), you could get it over and done with in a few days.

I guess that is why they call them trial leaders. Leaders find solutions vs wait around for someone else to come up with a solution.

And again, you are incorrect. I have raided 5-6 days a week for weeks on end in the same guild. I could have raided every day but I did need, or want, a breather. I have been part of guilds that raided 4-5 nights a week.

That is fact.

It may be you need to drop a guild or two and replace them with decent guilds that have the kind of leadership you are looking for. That, or maybe also become a leader yourself.

Be the solution. That works so much better than waiting for someone else to step up.

Bobby_V_Rockit · May 2018

Its not any different from spammjng zone chat really and getting 12 randoms together for a normal trial, just solves the headache

James-Wayne · May 2018

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Would be great for farming gear. Setting up a trial group manually takes herculean effort. Most trade guilds run a normal trial every week, but sometimes I want to finish a set asap, so being able to queue for multiple normal trials in succession is perfect. I don't have time to dedicate to a progression guild.

This would also increase trials participation.

Agreed this is well overdue, even just a fully fleshed out LFG system that even allows you to group up for Overland stuff as well.

Just because your in a Guild doesn't mean you can always get a team together.

Tyrobag · May 2018

The problem is that very few good players would use it. It would be like the dungeon finder x5. As is, even on normal trials, manual pugs often fail. Just think how bad it would be when you have no way at all to filter who enters the group. It being initially not great would lead to the good players refusing to use it, then it would just become awful.

Even just using the finder for dungeons is playing Russian roulette, using it for trials would be like playing with an uzi...

MelonBialdy · May 2018

Please!! +1

MLGProPlayer · May 2018

N2woR wrote: »

No thanks, running dungeons with 3 people who don’t know mechanics is bad enough. You get lucky sometimes but imagine trying to get 11 players luck....

Then don't use it. Simple.

Not sure why people are against more options in the game.

IwakuraLain42 · May 2018

Silver_Strider wrote: »

IwakuraLain42 wrote: »

SBC wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

I’d like a LFG interface instead, which lets you select and detail the kind of party/ people you want: casual, clear, hardcore completion, achievement farming, pledges. The social interface in this game is terrible and they’re making money hand over fist so there’s no excuse.

This would be where my vote goes. The way FFXIV has their group screen setup is quite nice. You can detail what you're looking for and who you need, and you can add and remove from there before you get inside. Jumping zone instances to find the last 2-3 you need can be quite annoying at times. I wouldn't want it setup like the dungeon finder is.

As for those saying vet would be terrible this way, the easiest solution to that is not to use it. For those that want the dice roll and headache at the chance to complete a pug vet trial, go for it.

FF14 does this slightly different: you have the Duty Finder (that is equivalent to our Activity Finder) that you can use for normal Raids and the Party Finder (that is what you described) that is used to create general groups.
The last one is used for their equivalent of the Vet Trials.

But then again that game has a strict role structure, you can't cheat healer/tank roles there.

Clear roles and people STILL fail at their jobs. The number of times I had to tank enemies on my MNK DPS or Healers is ridiculous, even if I used my aggro dump skills (MNK had no chill until very recently which doesn't couple well with a class that has the higest single target damage in the game)

People being people means that you always can get people that fail at their roles (tanks not using stances or cooldown, healers only doing dps instead of healing or dps pulling mobs), but in my experience that’s the minority of players.

And yes, enmity management in later game is something that quite a few players struggle with.

Still, Duty Finder works most of the times, more the the Activity Finder in ESO.

idk · May 2018

Tyrobag wrote: »

The problem is that very few good players would use it. It would be like the dungeon finder x5. As is, even on normal trials, manual pugs often fail. Just think how bad it would be when you have no way at all to filter who enters the group. It being initially not great would lead to the good players refusing to use it, then it would just become awful.

Even just using the finder for dungeons is playing Russian roulette, using it for trials would be like playing with an uzi...

Good point.

The difference is a good player can carry 3 through most 4 man dungeons. I have rarely not been able to clear 4 mans I have queued into. A good player would find it much more challenging to carry 11.

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

N2woR wrote: »

No thanks, running dungeons with 3 people who don’t know mechanics is bad enough. You get lucky sometimes but imagine trying to get 11 players luck....

Then don't use it. Simple.

Not sure why people are against more options in the game.

I do not think he was saying he did not want Zos to add normal trials to the GF, but that he was merely stating he was wise enough to steer clear. It will not be a panacea of pleasure.

Do not want to form raids or find a guild that has them regularly then this it will be the train wreck some are asking for. It will be like those threads where people complain about their dungeon GF group (always everyone else's fault) but x3.

Armatesz · May 2018

I'm guildless, I get requested for doing vet trials and I think this request is a solid one. I do agree many others that can't branch out to find others to do trials needs a remedy.

DPShiro · May 2018

Normal ones yes!

It will probably be frustrating enough for people when the hybrid Bow/Resto light attack spamming Tank/DD/Healer tries to main tank.

Bigevilpeter · May 2018

Could be done for normal trials, but for vet? no way in hell

Peekachu99 · May 2018

Overhaul the social UI so we can have an interface that offers us the ability to make groups across any zone for dolmens/ dungeons/ Trials/ the like.

If they don’t start soon investing some of that Crown Store money into infrastructure, I’m out. Four years with this creaky ol’ Activity Finder is enough.

Pixel_Zealot · May 2018

Yeah, it's way too hard to find groups for Trials compared to dungeons. It's a barrier to entry that needs to be resolved.

mocap · May 2018

yes, pls! Will start mag sorc leveling as i hope queue in this case won't be that long as in dungeon finder.

zaria · May 2018

exiars10 wrote: »

For NORMAL trials, absolutely yes.

Yes especially nAA, always some who drop out so you lack an 12'th player and you need 12 in that.

yes it might be an issue with fake roles and an fake tank or healer will easy cause wipe except that you often only need one tank an healer. as trials also uses 8 dd its will be less queue for them.

binho · May 2018

yes please
Thais would be great

jaschacasadiob16_ESO · May 2018

So you could essentially get into vMOL with no healer/tank. Oh joy!
What about the penalties for leaving a trial you joined through the tool?