RIP mag warden :(

HeathenDeacon · May 2018

I might be convinced to stay on Magic with a support/Aoe build if i had a premade, but as i mostly play BGs solo i'm switching to Stam...

Adenoma · May 2018

@Hutch679 , imo I would prefer to run overwhelming + Sload + shadowrend in duels with an infused disease glyph on the front bar ice staff. Obviously, use the bear too.

If overwhelming isn’t to your taste, substitute it with necropotence.

Mojomonkeyman · May 2018

HeathenDeacon wrote: »

I might be convinced to stay on Magic with a support/Aoe build if i had a premade, but as i mostly play BGs solo i'm switching to Stam...

I play my assist warden solo in BGs as well. It's not easy but can be used to great effect.

Torbschka · May 2018

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

HeathenDeacon wrote: »

I might be convinced to stay on Magic with a support/Aoe build if i had a premade, but as i mostly play BGs solo i'm switching to Stam...

I play my assist warden solo in BGs as well. It's not easy but can be used to great effect.

Can u share ur builds here guys? I actually never really play support builds^^

Im working on a pretty strange build with ranger set , i hate snares and love mobility

Mojomonkeyman · May 2018

Torbschka wrote: »

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

HeathenDeacon wrote: »

I might be convinced to stay on Magic with a support/Aoe build if i had a premade, but as i mostly play BGs solo i'm switching to Stam...

I play my assist warden solo in BGs as well. It's not easy but can be used to great effect.

Can u share ur builds here guys? I actually never really play support builds^^

Im working on a pretty strange build with ranger set , i hate snares and love mobility

Of course. Solo it was recently Skoria, Torugs, Overwhelming with s&b + frost staff. Playing around with new sets of course. Replacing either, OW or Torugs with Sloads seems to be very strong.

Key for the setup is control via woe, like ordinary frostwarden. Corrupting, Trellis, Growth & Trees for heal assist & survival. I prefer shock over clench for several reasons, so my burst combo is usually woe - shalk- la- shock (which will trigger all procsets + concussed & chilled). Offensive ult is permafrost (for heavy ae pressure) or soul strike (used as finisher).

I recently incorporated Introspection, since trellis-trees-introspection is an almost guaranteed ressource filllup with immovable pots or immunity up.

I prefer heavy over light this patch, going 5h2l for at least some penetration.

Hutch679 · May 2018

Adenoma wrote: »

@Hutch679 , imo I would prefer to run overwhelming + Sload + shadowrend in duels with an infused disease glyph on the front bar ice staff. Obviously, use the bear too.

If overwhelming isn’t to your taste, substitute it with necropotence.

Caluurion is much better than both. Adds a ton to your burst. Overwhelming surge is very underwhelming.

Hutch679 · May 2018

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

Torbschka wrote: »

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

HeathenDeacon wrote: »

I might be convinced to stay on Magic with a support/Aoe build if i had a premade, but as i mostly play BGs solo i'm switching to Stam...

I play my assist warden solo in BGs as well. It's not easy but can be used to great effect.

Can u share ur builds here guys? I actually never really play support builds^^

Im working on a pretty strange build with ranger set , i hate snares and love mobility

Of course. Solo it was recently Skoria, Torugs, Overwhelming with s&b + frost staff. Playing around with new sets of course. Replacing either, OW or Torugs with Sloads seems to be very strong.

Key for the setup is control via woe, like ordinary frostwarden. Corrupting, Trellis, Growth & Trees for heal assist & survival. I prefer shock over clench for several reasons, so my burst combo is usually woe - shalk- la- shock (which will trigger all procsets + concussed & chilled). Offensive ult is permafrost (for heavy ae pressure) or soul strike (used as finisher).

I recently incorporated Introspection, since trellis-trees-introspection is an almost guaranteed ressource filllup with immovable pots or immunity up.

I prefer heavy over light this patch, going 5h2l for at least some penetration.

Damage on warden is just ridiculously lacking in heavy armor.

Savos_Saren · May 2018

I actually like the Ice Warden builds.

2 Valkyn
5 Ysgramor
5 Winterborn

I'm sure some of you have been immobilized by Ice Reach. The Valkyn + Winterborn proc is no joke, either. There's quite a lot of utility in it.

Adenoma · May 2018

I actually loved running 5x Winterborn, 5x necro, 2x skoria on magwarden. Just camp your AOE.

Mojomonkeyman · May 2018

Hutch679 wrote: »

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

Torbschka wrote: »

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

HeathenDeacon wrote: »

I might be convinced to stay on Magic with a support/Aoe build if i had a premade, but as i mostly play BGs solo i'm switching to Stam...

I play my assist warden solo in BGs as well. It's not easy but can be used to great effect.

Can u share ur builds here guys? I actually never really play support builds^^

Im working on a pretty strange build with ranger set , i hate snares and love mobility

Of course. Solo it was recently Skoria, Torugs, Overwhelming with s&b + frost staff. Playing around with new sets of course. Replacing either, OW or Torugs with Sloads seems to be very strong.

Key for the setup is control via woe, like ordinary frostwarden. Corrupting, Trellis, Growth & Trees for heal assist & survival. I prefer shock over clench for several reasons, so my burst combo is usually woe - shalk- la- shock (which will trigger all procsets + concussed & chilled). Offensive ult is permafrost (for heavy ae pressure) or soul strike (used as finisher).

I recently incorporated Introspection, since trellis-trees-introspection is an almost guaranteed ressource filllup with immovable pots or immunity up.

I prefer heavy over light this patch, going 5h2l for at least some penetration.

Damage on warden is just ridiculously lacking in heavy armor.

You have no idea. (Edit for more clarity/sounding less rude:) I was playing 5L2H Skoria, Winterborn, Overwhelming before my current setup (for about 6 months, so quite for a long time). Heavy torugs is outperforming that by quite a huge margin. So in my experience, heavy is the way to go for a pressure build. You get just so much more time being right in the middle of the fight, which dramatically increases your overall damage output while having roughly the same burst (torugs is much easier/reliable to integrate into any burst combo than winterborn).

Hope I didnt offend you with my first reply, wasn't meant to be. It's just that I usually test/compare setups very carefully and my results attest that light armor doesn't necessarily increase damage output.

Torbschka · May 2018

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

Torbschka wrote: »

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

HeathenDeacon wrote: »

I might be convinced to stay on Magic with a support/Aoe build if i had a premade, but as i mostly play BGs solo i'm switching to Stam...

I play my assist warden solo in BGs as well. It's not easy but can be used to great effect.

Can u share ur builds here guys? I actually never really play support builds^^

Im working on a pretty strange build with ranger set , i hate snares and love mobility

Of course. Solo it was recently Skoria, Torugs, Overwhelming with s&b + frost staff. Playing around with new sets of course. Replacing either, OW or Torugs with Sloads seems to be very strong.

Key for the setup is control via woe, like ordinary frostwarden. Corrupting, Trellis, Growth & Trees for heal assist & survival. I prefer shock over clench for several reasons, so my burst combo is usually woe - shalk- la- shock (which will trigger all procsets + concussed & chilled). Offensive ult is permafrost (for heavy ae pressure) or soul strike (used as finisher).

I recently incorporated Introspection, since trellis-trees-introspection is an almost guaranteed ressource filllup with immovable pots or immunity up.

I prefer heavy over light this patch, going 5h2l for at least some penetration.

Thank you very much for the detailed answer.

Honestly, until now I've never really used proc sets on my magwarden, besides valkyn. I actually played for almost a year with my necropotence/wizards/valkyn Froststaff / SnB build, which pretty much had a pretty similiar playstyle I guess, although I always wanted to have at least 45k magicka, otherwise I felt "bad" somehow *g*.

I guess its time to make the switch. Since im an argonian Ill pretty much, dunno, run around with 35k-37k magicka in Cp and 30k? in no CP with 2,2k spelldmg buffed?

Lets see how this will work out, do u even use harness in heavy with such a "low" magicka pool? to be clear, I dont really played ike a sorc, I actually used harnes more like a heal, since wizards Riposte/shimmering/+ blue netch spam (which is actually very good on mag warden IMO) was almost always enough vs 1-2 opponents.

Ill try my necro + ranger + valkn Setup once, but Ill defenitely try the Sloads/OW/Torgugs + skoria Setup.

Did u consider playing with frost staff backbar? I mean, its not really a difference for snb, u can proc another enchant on it more easily, and could have Access to frost WoW + Shock stun front?

Mojomonkeyman · May 2018

Torbschka wrote: »

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

Torbschka wrote: »

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

HeathenDeacon wrote: »

I might be convinced to stay on Magic with a support/Aoe build if i had a premade, but as i mostly play BGs solo i'm switching to Stam...

I play my assist warden solo in BGs as well. It's not easy but can be used to great effect.

Can u share ur builds here guys? I actually never really play support builds^^

Im working on a pretty strange build with ranger set , i hate snares and love mobility

Of course. Solo it was recently Skoria, Torugs, Overwhelming with s&b + frost staff. Playing around with new sets of course. Replacing either, OW or Torugs with Sloads seems to be very strong.

Key for the setup is control via woe, like ordinary frostwarden. Corrupting, Trellis, Growth & Trees for heal assist & survival. I prefer shock over clench for several reasons, so my burst combo is usually woe - shalk- la- shock (which will trigger all procsets + concussed & chilled). Offensive ult is permafrost (for heavy ae pressure) or soul strike (used as finisher).

I recently incorporated Introspection, since trellis-trees-introspection is an almost guaranteed ressource filllup with immovable pots or immunity up.

I prefer heavy over light this patch, going 5h2l for at least some penetration.

Thank you very much for the detailed answer.

Honestly, until now I've never really used proc sets on my magwarden, besides valkyn. I actually played for almost a year with my necropotence/wizards/valkyn Froststaff / SnB build, which pretty much had a pretty similiar playstyle I guess, although I always wanted to have at least 45k magicka, otherwise I felt "bad" somehow *g*.

I guess its time to make the switch. Since im an argonian Ill pretty much, dunno, run around with 35k-37k magicka in Cp and 30k? in no CP with 2,2k spelldmg buffed?

Lets see how this will work out, do u even use harness in heavy with such a "low" magicka pool? to be clear, I dont really played ike a sorc, I actually used harnes more like a heal, since wizards Riposte/shimmering/+ blue netch spam (which is actually very good on mag warden IMO) was almost always enough vs 1-2 opponents.

Ill try my necro + ranger + valkn Setup once, but Ill defenitely try the Sloads/OW/Torgugs + skoria Setup.

Did u consider playing with frost staff backbar? I mean, its not really a difference for snb, u can proc another enchant on it more easily, and could have Access to frost WoW + Shock stun front?

I don't claim to have ultimate knowledge, but in my personal experience stats dont matter in no cp. With my current test setup, Sloads/OW/Skoria (no-CP) and clockwork food im at:
25k hp, 27k mag, 11.3k stam
2.4k Spell dmg (with betty active), 2k mag regen, 700 stamregen
I average around 1.2m dmg done/400k healing done/10 kills in BGs.

I can confidently say that I am usually top score across most KPI's and outperform mainstream warden builds (necro + anything) by quite a bit.

I did play dampen for a while on light, but swapped completely to growth instead on frontbar. Both have roughly the same cost. The advantage of being proactive (dampen/harness) is imo outperformed by growth providing 10% more mag/stam regen, being able to crit, its output being multiplied by targets hit and being vital for group support. Another point to consider is, that dampen will not net you any medals, while growth will boost your healing done, which is adding to your personal performance medal/point wise. Also, if you take the current BG meta and environment into account (No-CP, Bleeds everywhere and now sloads) shields are not an optimal defense mechanism since sustained pressure from bleeds will lead to permanent recasting which is not sustainable vs the incredibly forgiving cost/output ratio a stambleed build with trollking on top can benefit from.

I tried double frost staff but in the end s&b is a bit more tanky and feels way less clunky to blockcast trellis/betch/predator/corrupting on.

Torbschka · May 2018

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

Torbschka wrote: »

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

Torbschka wrote: »

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

HeathenDeacon wrote: »

I might be convinced to stay on Magic with a support/Aoe build if i had a premade, but as i mostly play BGs solo i'm switching to Stam...

I play my assist warden solo in BGs as well. It's not easy but can be used to great effect.

Can u share ur builds here guys? I actually never really play support builds^^

Im working on a pretty strange build with ranger set , i hate snares and love mobility

Of course. Solo it was recently Skoria, Torugs, Overwhelming with s&b + frost staff. Playing around with new sets of course. Replacing either, OW or Torugs with Sloads seems to be very strong.

Key for the setup is control via woe, like ordinary frostwarden. Corrupting, Trellis, Growth & Trees for heal assist & survival. I prefer shock over clench for several reasons, so my burst combo is usually woe - shalk- la- shock (which will trigger all procsets + concussed & chilled). Offensive ult is permafrost (for heavy ae pressure) or soul strike (used as finisher).

I recently incorporated Introspection, since trellis-trees-introspection is an almost guaranteed ressource filllup with immovable pots or immunity up.

I prefer heavy over light this patch, going 5h2l for at least some penetration.

Thank you very much for the detailed answer.

Honestly, until now I've never really used proc sets on my magwarden, besides valkyn. I actually played for almost a year with my necropotence/wizards/valkyn Froststaff / SnB build, which pretty much had a pretty similiar playstyle I guess, although I always wanted to have at least 45k magicka, otherwise I felt "bad" somehow *g*.

I guess its time to make the switch. Since im an argonian Ill pretty much, dunno, run around with 35k-37k magicka in Cp and 30k? in no CP with 2,2k spelldmg buffed?

Lets see how this will work out, do u even use harness in heavy with such a "low" magicka pool? to be clear, I dont really played ike a sorc, I actually used harnes more like a heal, since wizards Riposte/shimmering/+ blue netch spam (which is actually very good on mag warden IMO) was almost always enough vs 1-2 opponents.

Ill try my necro + ranger + valkn Setup once, but Ill defenitely try the Sloads/OW/Torgugs + skoria Setup.

Did u consider playing with frost staff backbar? I mean, its not really a difference for snb, u can proc another enchant on it more easily, and could have Access to frost WoW + Shock stun front?

I don't claim to have ultimate knowledge, but in my personal experience stats dont matter in no cp. With my current test setup, Sloads/OW/Skoria (no-CP) and clockwork food im at:
25k hp, 27k mag, 11.3k stam
2.4k Spell dmg (with betty active), 2k mag regen, 700 stamregen
I average around 1.2m dmg done/400k healing done/10 kills in BGs.

I can confidently say that I am usually top score across most KPI's and outperform mainstream warden builds (necro + anything) by quite a bit.

I did play dampen for a while on light, but swapped completely to growth instead on frontbar. Both have roughly the same cost. The advantage of being proactive (dampen/harness) is imo outperformed by growth providing 10% more mag/stam regen and being vital for group support. Another point to consider is, that dampen will not net you any medals, while growth will boost your healing done, which is adding to your personal performance medal/point wise. Also, if you take the current BG meta and environment into account (No-CP, Bleeds everywhere and now sloads) shields are not an optimal defense mechanism since sustained pressure from bleeds will lead to permanent recasting which is not sustainable vs the incredibly forgiving cost/output ratio a stambleed build with trollking on top can benefit from.

I tried double frost staff but in the end s&b is a bit more tanky and feels way less clunky to blockcast trellis/betch/predator/corrupting on.

Once again, thank you for our Input. I already tested the following now:

5x Sloads (3x Body, 1x shock infused shock staff)
5x Torugs (3x jewelry + 2x Body)
2x Skoria
1x Frost VSMA backbar

I run 3x infused glyphs with potion cd on jewelry, using hp + mag + immovable - being an argonian.

Well, what can I say. I melt people left and right with even "crappier" stats (magicka is like 25k no cp, spelldmg like 1,8 [2,1k with spell dmg glpyh from backbar] buffed).

Combo is pretty much
shalks - wall - stun - elmental weapon - heavy attack, but even if I just lay down the aoe with shalks + ult it kills stuff lol. sustain is pretty good with the potions and i even do run mist form, so I'm pretty "mobile".

I just cant decide to run shock or oblivion dmg glpyh on my infused frontbar...

Mojomonkeyman · May 2018

You want to ditch the pot reduc enchants (unless you go argo clever alch), go 1x infused block cost reduc 2x arcane mag regen.

The best wpn glyph combo i found was oblivion froststaff/mag return s&b. Both will trigger on cd (every 2 sec), share no cooldown and the mag return enchant alone equals 599 mag regen (which is outperforming lich, bloodthorn and even desert rose when triggered on cd) and has a 4k crittable dmg tooltip. Its the single best source of infight sustain besides ele drain and you get some dmg on top.

Wouldn't advise mistform this patch tho, if you meet a setup like yours, you will just melt in mistform being unable to heal or regen mag.

Slack · May 2018

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

Torbschka wrote: »

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

Torbschka wrote: »

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

HeathenDeacon wrote: »

I might be convinced to stay on Magic with a support/Aoe build if i had a premade, but as i mostly play BGs solo i'm switching to Stam...

I play my assist warden solo in BGs as well. It's not easy but can be used to great effect.

Can u share ur builds here guys? I actually never really play support builds^^

Im working on a pretty strange build with ranger set , i hate snares and love mobility

Of course. Solo it was recently Skoria, Torugs, Overwhelming with s&b + frost staff. Playing around with new sets of course. Replacing either, OW or Torugs with Sloads seems to be very strong.

Key for the setup is control via woe, like ordinary frostwarden. Corrupting, Trellis, Growth & Trees for heal assist & survival. I prefer shock over clench for several reasons, so my burst combo is usually woe - shalk- la- shock (which will trigger all procsets + concussed & chilled). Offensive ult is permafrost (for heavy ae pressure) or soul strike (used as finisher).

I recently incorporated Introspection, since trellis-trees-introspection is an almost guaranteed ressource filllup with immovable pots or immunity up.

I prefer heavy over light this patch, going 5h2l for at least some penetration.

Thank you very much for the detailed answer.

Honestly, until now I've never really used proc sets on my magwarden, besides valkyn. I actually played for almost a year with my necropotence/wizards/valkyn Froststaff / SnB build, which pretty much had a pretty similiar playstyle I guess, although I always wanted to have at least 45k magicka, otherwise I felt "bad" somehow *g*.

I guess its time to make the switch. Since im an argonian Ill pretty much, dunno, run around with 35k-37k magicka in Cp and 30k? in no CP with 2,2k spelldmg buffed?

Lets see how this will work out, do u even use harness in heavy with such a "low" magicka pool? to be clear, I dont really played ike a sorc, I actually used harnes more like a heal, since wizards Riposte/shimmering/+ blue netch spam (which is actually very good on mag warden IMO) was almost always enough vs 1-2 opponents.

Ill try my necro + ranger + valkn Setup once, but Ill defenitely try the Sloads/OW/Torgugs + skoria Setup.

Did u consider playing with frost staff backbar? I mean, its not really a difference for snb, u can proc another enchant on it more easily, and could have Access to frost WoW + Shock stun front?

I don't claim to have ultimate knowledge, but in my personal experience stats dont matter in no cp. With my current test setup, Sloads/OW/Skoria (no-CP) and clockwork food im at:
25k hp, 27k mag, 11.3k stam
2.4k Spell dmg (with betty active), 2k mag regen, 700 stamregen
I average around 1.2m dmg done/400k healing done/10 kills in BGs.

I can confidently say that I am usually top score across most KPI's and outperform mainstream warden builds (necro + anything) by quite a bit.

No offense, but of course stats don't mather for someone who uses that many Procs, neither does class

Mojomonkeyman · May 2018

Slack wrote: »

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

Torbschka wrote: »

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

Torbschka wrote: »

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

HeathenDeacon wrote: »

I might be convinced to stay on Magic with a support/Aoe build if i had a premade, but as i mostly play BGs solo i'm switching to Stam...

I play my assist warden solo in BGs as well. It's not easy but can be used to great effect.

Can u share ur builds here guys? I actually never really play support builds^^

Im working on a pretty strange build with ranger set , i hate snares and love mobility

Of course. Solo it was recently Skoria, Torugs, Overwhelming with s&b + frost staff. Playing around with new sets of course. Replacing either, OW or Torugs with Sloads seems to be very strong.

Key for the setup is control via woe, like ordinary frostwarden. Corrupting, Trellis, Growth & Trees for heal assist & survival. I prefer shock over clench for several reasons, so my burst combo is usually woe - shalk- la- shock (which will trigger all procsets + concussed & chilled). Offensive ult is permafrost (for heavy ae pressure) or soul strike (used as finisher).

I recently incorporated Introspection, since trellis-trees-introspection is an almost guaranteed ressource filllup with immovable pots or immunity up.

I prefer heavy over light this patch, going 5h2l for at least some penetration.

Thank you very much for the detailed answer.

Honestly, until now I've never really used proc sets on my magwarden, besides valkyn. I actually played for almost a year with my necropotence/wizards/valkyn Froststaff / SnB build, which pretty much had a pretty similiar playstyle I guess, although I always wanted to have at least 45k magicka, otherwise I felt "bad" somehow *g*.

I guess its time to make the switch. Since im an argonian Ill pretty much, dunno, run around with 35k-37k magicka in Cp and 30k? in no CP with 2,2k spelldmg buffed?

Lets see how this will work out, do u even use harness in heavy with such a "low" magicka pool? to be clear, I dont really played ike a sorc, I actually used harnes more like a heal, since wizards Riposte/shimmering/+ blue netch spam (which is actually very good on mag warden IMO) was almost always enough vs 1-2 opponents.

Ill try my necro + ranger + valkn Setup once, but Ill defenitely try the Sloads/OW/Torgugs + skoria Setup.

Did u consider playing with frost staff backbar? I mean, its not really a difference for snb, u can proc another enchant on it more easily, and could have Access to frost WoW + Shock stun front?

I don't claim to have ultimate knowledge, but in my personal experience stats dont matter in no cp. With my current test setup, Sloads/OW/Skoria (no-CP) and clockwork food im at:
25k hp, 27k mag, 11.3k stam
2.4k Spell dmg (with betty active), 2k mag regen, 700 stamregen
I average around 1.2m dmg done/400k healing done/10 kills in BGs.

I can confidently say that I am usually top score across most KPI's and outperform mainstream warden builds (necro + anything) by quite a bit.

No offense, but of course stats don't mather for someone who uses that many Procs, neither does class

That's basically what I am saying. No-CP is all about the most ressourcefriendly way to deal damage/heal, thats why stats dont matter since they won't free up ressources and cds in the same way as supplementary procs do.

And to be honest, in the current state of BGs (being dominated by stam proc/bleed/trollking cheese) I don't feel bad countercheesing. Zaan's/Trollking is a no go for me though. I regularly have 18-29k zaan recaps, NOTHING compares to that. And trollking is basically allowing people who even forget to heal themself to live on by chaining dodge rolls.

Hutch679 · May 2018

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

Hutch679 wrote: »

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

Torbschka wrote: »

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

HeathenDeacon wrote: »

I might be convinced to stay on Magic with a support/Aoe build if i had a premade, but as i mostly play BGs solo i'm switching to Stam...

I play my assist warden solo in BGs as well. It's not easy but can be used to great effect.

Can u share ur builds here guys? I actually never really play support builds^^

Im working on a pretty strange build with ranger set , i hate snares and love mobility

Of course. Solo it was recently Skoria, Torugs, Overwhelming with s&b + frost staff. Playing around with new sets of course. Replacing either, OW or Torugs with Sloads seems to be very strong.

Key for the setup is control via woe, like ordinary frostwarden. Corrupting, Trellis, Growth & Trees for heal assist & survival. I prefer shock over clench for several reasons, so my burst combo is usually woe - shalk- la- shock (which will trigger all procsets + concussed & chilled). Offensive ult is permafrost (for heavy ae pressure) or soul strike (used as finisher).

I recently incorporated Introspection, since trellis-trees-introspection is an almost guaranteed ressource filllup with immovable pots or immunity up.

I prefer heavy over light this patch, going 5h2l for at least some penetration.

Damage on warden is just ridiculously lacking in heavy armor.

You have no idea. (Edit for more clarity/sounding less rude:) I was playing 5L2H Skoria, Winterborn, Overwhelming before my current setup (for about 6 months, so quite for a long time). Heavy torugs is outperforming that by quite a huge margin. So in my experience, heavy is the way to go for a pressure build. You get just so much more time being right in the middle of the fight, which dramatically increases your overall damage output while having roughly the same burst (torugs is much easier/reliable to integrate into any burst combo than winterborn).

Hope I didnt offend you with my first reply, wasn't meant to be. It's just that I usually test/compare setups very carefully and my results attest that light armor doesn't necessarily increase damage output.

Not offended. I don't see my light armor mag warden dieing to a heavy armor mag warden... ever. I'll run you out of resources. I have 25k resist in light armor... without an armor buff set (i.e. fortified brass, armor master, etc.)... using zaan and calurrions legacy.

Torbschka · May 2018

Cant really decide between overwhelming surge + sloads or torugs + sloads, torugs seems stronger actually.

Not sure about heavy armor though, Ive never really felt a huge increase in survivwability wearing it on my warden, but might try it out again soon.

olesmo · May 2018

Torbschka wrote: »

.... so sad.

Well, any1 came up with a build for solo pvp ? I dunno,I like the change with the 2h/staves , but actually I do like Wizards riposte..

5x necro
5x Wizards
2x skoria
1x willpower Staff Front

Frost back + fire Front, dunno...

i was using a build like that last patch, was rly tank (heavy armor) and good dmg. but rly poor execute potencial, used shacle, 1x domi, magicka furnance backbar (frost) and master fire destro front.

Slack · May 2018

I am using 2x engine Guardian, 5BSW, 5necro
5/1/1 in BGs and CP Pvp.
Burst is awesome, Ressource management too, unluckily my broken mouse which doesn't let met block or break free is a huge handicap