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Artaeum Pickled Fish Bowl - working or bugged?
Carbonised
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The Pickled Fish Bowl is the new purple food item, the recipe of which is found by fishing.
The tooltip on the item is deliberately vague, only says it "attracts fish". I haven't tested it myself, seeing as it requires a substantial amount of clam gall, which is simply too expensive right now to throw away on this.
However, people who have used it say that it increases your chances for a larger number of loot drops per line thrown, so you can get multiple drops instead of just 1 per bait. Also, several people are now saying that this ONLY works if you are fishing with ONE other person. Can this really be true? Is this really working as intended, or bugged? The gold recipe seems to be bugged, since it's a drink but doesn't reguster as a drink, so it's not hard to believe that the purple recipe might be bugged as well.
I have fished a lot, in fact I have finished Master Angler and all DLC zones, and I was happy about seeing this new recipe, and wanted to get back into fishing again with it. But, if this really only works while fishing with ONE other person, then it's a really horrible game design, and I can't see myself using it at all.
Fishing is usually a lonesome business, few people fish, and often you're left on your own. In fact, 95 % of all my fishing for Master Angler and DLC zones has been solo. Unless you're a part of a dedicated fishing guild, and I can't spare guild slots for that, then the odds are that you will fish alone most of the time. When people do fish in groups, like right now in Summerset where there's a fishing frenzy going on, you're often bombed by gangs of 4-5 people fishing with you. Both of these scenarios would mean the fishing food will not work, if it is true that it only works when exactly TWO people are fishing together.
I cannot for the life of me think why ZOS would implement something like this. Fishing is already extremely under-rewarding as it is, and we need encouragement to go fish. Did someone really think it was too OP if the food worked while fishing alone? Is there any particular reason to lock off the food effect if you're fishing alone? I really hope this is either a false rumor, or perhaps a bug in the food effect that will be fixed, if not, then you can really forget about me throwing away expensive ingredients for something as absurd as a food that requires you to always be fishing with exactly ONE other person.
The tooltip on the item is deliberately vague, only says it "attracts fish". I haven't tested it myself, seeing as it requires a substantial amount of clam gall, which is simply too expensive right now to throw away on this.
However, people who have used it say that it increases your chances for a larger number of loot drops per line thrown, so you can get multiple drops instead of just 1 per bait. Also, several people are now saying that this ONLY works if you are fishing with ONE other person. Can this really be true? Is this really working as intended, or bugged? The gold recipe seems to be bugged, since it's a drink but doesn't reguster as a drink, so it's not hard to believe that the purple recipe might be bugged as well.
I have fished a lot, in fact I have finished Master Angler and all DLC zones, and I was happy about seeing this new recipe, and wanted to get back into fishing again with it. But, if this really only works while fishing with ONE other person, then it's a really horrible game design, and I can't see myself using it at all.
Fishing is usually a lonesome business, few people fish, and often you're left on your own. In fact, 95 % of all my fishing for Master Angler and DLC zones has been solo. Unless you're a part of a dedicated fishing guild, and I can't spare guild slots for that, then the odds are that you will fish alone most of the time. When people do fish in groups, like right now in Summerset where there's a fishing frenzy going on, you're often bombed by gangs of 4-5 people fishing with you. Both of these scenarios would mean the fishing food will not work, if it is true that it only works when exactly TWO people are fishing together.
I cannot for the life of me think why ZOS would implement something like this. Fishing is already extremely under-rewarding as it is, and we need encouragement to go fish. Did someone really think it was too OP if the food worked while fishing alone? Is there any particular reason to lock off the food effect if you're fishing alone? I really hope this is either a false rumor, or perhaps a bug in the food effect that will be fixed, if not, then you can really forget about me throwing away expensive ingredients for something as absurd as a food that requires you to always be fishing with exactly ONE other person.
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Aliyavana✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭so it helps with fishing rng? my master angler became easier?
do you have a screenshot? 1 -
Carbonised✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭so it helps with fishing rng? my master angler became easier? do you have a screenshot?
The tooltip is deliberately vague.
Well no, it doesn't directly help with RNG, you don't get "better drops", but it works like the plentiful harvest perk - you have an RNG chance for ADDITIONAL drops per bait, so more than just 1 drop per 1 bait, as it currently is.
However, quite a few people have mentioned that this only works when 2 and only 2 people are fishing together, so not 1 solo person, or 3+, that is my major complaint and concern.2 -
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✭✭✭✭I can't answer you from personal experience as I don't have the recipe. But today I was talking to a guy who was fishing solo and according to him, he was getting double catches. He gave me one of the food so later today I will try it solo and see if it works. I will report back unless someone else can answer your question before I return.PC/NA/EP ✌️1 -
Karraxx✭✭✭I was fishing for approx an hour by myself and had 0 double procs with the food active. As far as i'm concerned, it is either broken or a way to force people to fish in groups, which doesn't realistically happen. 99% of people aren't going to fish in groups and its incredibly shortsighted to think that this food will change that.Officer - Bleakrock Barter Co/Blackbriar Barter coResident Bacon Enthusiast and Salt FactoryI livestream ESO and occasionally other stuff on https://www.twitch.tv/karraxx/3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Carbonised wrote: »so it helps with fishing rng? my master angler became easier? do you have a screenshot?
The tooltip is deliberately vague.
Well no, it doesn't directly help with RNG, you don't get "better drops", but it works like the plentiful harvest perk - you have an RNG chance for ADDITIONAL drops per bait, so more than just 1 drop per 1 bait, as it currently is.
However, quite a few people have mentioned that this only works when 2 and only 2 people are fishing together, so not 1 solo person, or 3+, that is my major complaint and concern.
It's hard to get people to fish with you if the content isn't new, I hope they fix it0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I was fishing for approx an hour by myself and had 0 double procs with the food active. As far as i'm concerned, it is either broken or a way to force people to fish in groups, which doesn't realistically happen. 99% of people aren't going to fish in groups and its incredibly shortsighted to think that this food will change that.
Yeah there are so many mixed messages about this. Some say it works solo, some say it doesn't. So I'm trying to get some clarification with this post.
If it doesn't work solo, then I hope it's simply bugged and needs fixing, if it's supposed to work with only 2 people, then I'm quite frankly very disappointed and will not bother using this food at all.0 -
Some guy linked it in chat yesterday and I asked about the effect as well. One guy said that fish swim with you when you take it. Like a visual effect.0
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✭✭✭✭✭hamsterontherocksb16_ESO wrote: »Some guy linked it in chat yesterday and I asked about the effect as well. One guy said that fish swim with you when you take it. Like a visual effect.
He was pulling your leg. It's been pretty much established that the recipe is connected to multiplying fishing drops, anything else is just unconfirmed and most likely false.0 -
Geekgirl✭✭✭I didn't know this was a thing. I need some of this food now. ::twitches::PC/NA - Perpetually casual. Furniture and fish collector. Lover of exploration and opener of urns.
Maxed CPs, still no clue how to endgame, too much time opening urns, prolly.Eve Morrison - Templar DPS - Furniture Crafter/Maker of Arms - Co-op w/hubby/achievements/crafting
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✭✭✭✭✭I tested for an hour and a half in Rivenspire, Artaeum, and Summerset.
Fishing Solo: 100% normal drops, one fish and a time
Fishing with 2 to 5 other people: 100% normal drops, no doubles.
Fishing with one other person got me two fish, most of the time. There were a few casts I only got one fish (maybe having to do with how the fish recognizes the other person is there? IDK, not enough testing.)
The doubled fish were anything that could drop from the hole. I got a bottle and fish, a kelp and fish, two green fish, a green fish and a blue fish, the same two fish, bait and fish, two different fish, any sort of combination.
So partnering up is absolutely the best way to fish for green and blue fish now. That's a little disappointing given I'm a solo fisher, but makes sense because it basically gives you back the fish you miss from having the other person present. It would be nice if it worked with 3 people fishing.
If you solo fish, this food is useless unless someone wanders by to fish with you, as near as I can tell.Edited by VaranisArano on May 25, 2018 12:21PM6 -
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✭Have this recipe, and played around with it.
While this food buff is active, if there is exactly one other line cast in the fishing hole you've cast your line in, you will get two rolls at fish when you catch something.
(Some solo players might have thought that it worked with one person, but in actuality, there was an invisible player (instancing) fishing in the same spot)
If they catch a fish, and pull their line out for a moment, and you catch a fish while their line is not in the water, you will only get one roll.
I like the idea, in that you can get more of a bonus if you grab a fishing partner (through zone chat or something like a fishing guild).
However, it is a bit finicky. (two lines must be in the water at the same time)
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KittyHazWares✭✭✭I wish they would just remove the increased rng for fishing in a group all together and just increase it for solo fishing.
Make this food give you the same rng equal to fishing in a group to help solo fishers. That would be grand
Edited by KittyHazWares on May 25, 2018 12:48PMXbox One NA9 -
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✭✭✭✭✭@Avran_Sylt @VaranisArano
Thanks for the thoroug testing, even though the result is immensely disappointing. I cannot fathom why they would lock out solo fishers from even using this food, not to mention groups larger than 2!
It's a huge slap in the face for solo fishers, already fishing is such a niche activity, did ZOS really think that adding this food for solo players would suddenly result in a frenzy of frothing fishermen at every fishing hole? And what about trolls who come along to a group of 2 people who are fishing together, and then join in and essentially ruining the food for the other 2?
This is an expensive recipe that requires a large number of clam gall - why on earth did you restrict it for only 2 players fishing together? It makes no sense, and frankly it is a huge disappointment.7 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Well, if you could do it while solo fishing, it would halve the time for Master Angler, in all likelihood, and crash the market for fish, so I can see why they didn't do it for solo fishing.
With a partner, you can get the same number of fish you can get solo.
I do wish they made it work with 3 or more people.0 -
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Eh, I like it. It adds an 'end-game' to fishing (for those stat chasers). Gotta organize or pull together a troupe to get the best results.
It is unfortunate that the general use, but fishing restricted content (Pyandonean Motifs, Artaeum Recipes) are located solely in Summerset and Artaeum at the moment. Hopefully this is expanded in the future.
And I understand the reasoning behind a 2-person limit, as otherwise it'll just be a stat-stick option with no thought or player interaction. But I do think it could be considered being changed to a range, of say 2-4. Rather than hard capping at 2.
Regarding Clam Gall? Yeah. I've been trying to farm clam gall and mother of pearl by running the shores looking for clams and fishing. I've found a whopping 3 clams total, and 6 clam gall over the past two days. I'm not sure if the intention is to have these be as scarce as they are or not, but it seems awfully low right now. (Though I might not be farming them in the right manner)0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭You said it yourself, clam gall is extremely scarce and expensive, and it takes 3 to make a batch of this food.
Wouldn't be unbalanced at all to have it work on solo fishers. Fishing is already one of the least rewarding activities you can engage in, apart from the very rare roes, and now the new summerset stuff.
They didn't necessarily have to make it double ALL drops, they could have made it a 20 % chance for double drops, like the plentiful harvest perk. But making it have absolutely 0 impact on a solo fisher is practically useless. Ask any Master Angler how many times they fish alone vs fish with exactly 1 other person ..3 -
TheCyberDruid✭✭✭✭✭I can confirm that it works only when exactly two people are fishing a hole at the same time. My wife and I fished yesterday together and every time a third player (or more) joined we didn't get double fishes. When I fished this morning alone I didn't get double fishes and when my wife joined later we got double fishes again. Looks like it's most likely a bug right now.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Exactly. What if you find 1 more person to fish with? Every random person that comes along will make you waste your food, whether they were intentionally trolling you or not. Such bad game design.
@ZOS_GinaBruno Can we get confirmation that this is really working as intended? It's so clumsy that it looks more like a bug than by design.2 -
N0TPLAYER2✭✭✭✭✭TheCyberDruid wrote: »I can confirm that it works only when exactly two people are fishing a hole at the same time. My wife and I fished yesterday together and every time a third player (or more) joined we didn't get double fishes. When I fished this morning alone I didn't get double fishes and when my wife joined later we got double fishes again. Looks like it's most likely a bug right now.
Why? It sounds like it’s working as intended form your description.0 -
TheCyberDruid✭✭✭✭✭N0TPLAYER2 wrote: »Why? It sounds like it’s working as intended form your description.
The description of the food doesn't mention exactly two player. it just says that fish may be drawn to you, so that you get double fishes every time you pull fish out is a bit much. Plus it's early access.5 -
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✭✭✭✭Carbonised wrote: »Exactly. What if you find 1 more person to fish with? Every random person that comes along will make you waste your food, whether they were intentionally trolling you or not. Such bad game design.
@ZOS_GinaBruno Can we get confirmation that this is really working as intended? It's so clumsy that it looks more like a bug than by design.
You are exactly right! I tested the food this morning. Two of us were fishing, catching doubles, until 4 other players threw their lines in and from there our food was wasted. Considering the mats it takes to make that food, it's just not worth it.PC/NA/EP ✌️1 -
patents✭✭✭Hi ZOS,
Please make this to be like bountiful harvest for fishing
Currently as it seems, it sucks 1 -
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✭✭✭✭Are you sure that other people just being AT the same fishing hole affects catch %? I mean that's what I have always heard, but in my personal experience, fishing with 4-5 other people I was NOT grouped up with has NEVER given me a rare fish, while fishing with 3+ other people I AM grouped with has consistently ALWAYS given me rare fish. I don't know if that's the RNG screwing with me or not but I got the impression from this that you have to be grouped with the other fishers for it to affect your drop chances. Has anyone else noticed anything like this?0 -
Hippie4927✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Are you sure that other people just being AT the same fishing hole affects catch %? I mean that's what I have always heard, but in my personal experience, fishing with 4-5 other people I was NOT grouped up with has NEVER given me a rare fish, while fishing with 3+ other people I AM grouped with has consistently ALWAYS given me rare fish. I don't know if that's the RNG screwing with me or not but I got the impression from this that you have to be grouped with the other fishers for it to affect your drop chances. Has anyone else noticed anything like this?
I was not grouped with the person I was fishing with and we were catching doubles. As soon as others joined, the doubles stopped. So grouping doesn't seem to be the issue.PC/NA/EP ✌️2 -
beebay✭✭✭I found that while fishing in general, I had the best chance when only a total of two people were present and fishing. I fished up both recipes in this way. So I was wondering if it was a bug or if the best chances overall occurred when only two people fished. This only occurred to me while fishing on the psijic island. Cannot say for sure anywhere else as I do not fish often at all.
So two people fishing gave me the best chance for anything. Both recipes found and several (3-4) shrimp in about an 1.5 hrs total fish time spread across 3 days. I was not grouped with anyone during this time. I was however casting accelerate for the Crit chance.
*Alcast noted the purple recipe was only being fished up with a total of two people. I was unable to debunk this finding*
** Finding debunked! I fished up a purple recipe solo with no one else in sight.**Edited by beebay on May 27, 2018 7:53PM2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I fished up both the purple and gold recipe solo on the PTS, for what that's worth.1 -
N0TPLAYER2✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »I fished up both the purple and gold recipe solo on the PTS, for what that's worth.
Thanks for this info.0 -
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✭I was fishing for approx an hour by myself and had 0 double procs with the food active. As far as i'm concerned, it is either broken or a way to force people to fish in groups, which doesn't realistically happen. 99% of people aren't going to fish in groups and its incredibly shortsighted to think that this food will change that.
I did one two hour solo test run in Artaeum and Summerset. I got no double drops. My impression was I got fewer non-fish items than usual, along with a couple of blues that had eluded me, but that may be simple luck. I have three left but right now I can't think of a single reason to ever use it again. It seemed to make no substantive difference whatsoever.
Ed: The two fisher requirement is brain damaged. Oh, and can we drop the "troll" rubbish please. A stranger who walks up to the hole you're at isn't trolling anyone, they are fishing at one of a limited number of active nodes, just like you.Edited by TheRealPotoroo on May 27, 2018 7:31PMPC NA, PC EU
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