IMO Eso should make a choice between sub or b2p...

KingofAnnwn · May 2018

i don't care

I couldn't care less about the business model used. No one is forced to sub. Admittedly, I didn't play back when it was sub only but In my opinion, the b2p with optional sub is working just fine. It's the subs and crown buyers that keep this game going.
Even without a sub, you get a hell of a lot of content, buy the gold edition and you've got a good few months worth.
I started playing in Dec 15 on Xbox, not once did I feel the need to Sub. I've now subbed for the first time after using the craft bag and seeing how valuable it is, I'd even happily pay crowns just for that, but we can all probably say that won't happen.
Whether I'll sub continuously for a period of time, I'm not sure. But I still think the model is fine as it is. Just play the game and enjoy the content.

Enokariel · May 2018

Disagreer

The hybrid model works, dogs bark and the caravan goes on.

Turelus · May 2018

i don't care

FloppyTouch wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

The game can't be sub only because of consoles, not many console players are willing to pay for an MMO sub on top of their online service costs.

Also ZOS are not going to change a thing when they're winning with the current system, why deliberately make less money when you can make more with this method.

I will give that it at least allows players options on how they access their content, casual people are generally better with B2P and more hardcore players are better with ESO+

Everyone I know on xb has eso+ in fact i find it very rare for someone not to have it. Dont know where you get this consoles players wont pay for a sub.

In fact i know a lot of people that wish they could pay for a whole year at a time instead of month to month. That weird day of overlap on eso plus can lock you out of stuff for 24hrs.

@FloppyTouch right but I would guess you and those you know are more in the "hardcore" side of players.

I mean this more in general for casual players who pick up the game, play some story, explore, wait for new story. I doubt ZOS would get as many of those players if there was a mandatory sub.

Coolits · May 2018

Agree

I'd sub again if Zenimax removed the crown crates and allowed subscribers to earn the mounts etc in-game, as it currently stands with all the "desirable" items being locked behind gambling boxes I'd never re-subscribe regardless of how good the game gets.

Rawkan · May 2018

Coolits wrote: »

I'd sub again if Zenimax removed the crown crates and allowed subscribers to earn the mounts etc in-game, as it currently stands with all the "desirable" items being locked behind gambling boxes I'd never re-subscribe regardless of how good the game gets.

The crown crates aren't going anywhere. They're obviously making good money from them.

lihentian · May 2018

Agree

Tonnopesce wrote: »

You don't want to buy summerset but you want summerset?

???? where you get that idea? i pre order collector edition.. any more question?

Tonnopesce · May 2018

lihentian wrote: »

Tonnopesce wrote: »

You don't want to buy summerset but you want summerset?

???? where you get that idea? i pre order collector edition.. any more question?

It was the obvious question to this kind of post nothing personal

Magenpie · May 2018

I'm conflicted about this.

One the one hand I'd love it if ESO went back to sub only and then included all the Crown Store items inc in the game somehow. Apart from anything it would reduce the 'us and them' sniping on the forum, which I personally find a bit depressing.

However, I think the two system model we have now would be ok if it was improved.

I like the SWTOR model, where if you sub you get a lot of QoL things bundled into it and you get some monthly cash shop credits. However, of you prefer F2P, you can still buy all the sub benefits from their cash shop. On top of that, cash shop items can be sold via the in-game Auction House for in-game 'gold'. This way, everyone playing the game gets access to everything available one way or another, which I like, and it means people can pay for the game in a way which is most appropriate to them. More ways to spend money, more money for the game.

Edit: Also forgot to say - with SWTOR, if you've subscribed at any point, you keep some of the QoL benefits if you go back to F2P. Basically there's three types of account - F2P, Preferred (if you've subbed at some point) and Premium (Subscribers.) Also, if you have a security key, you get an extra 100 cash shop credits a month whether you're playing or not.

Sevalaricgirl · May 2018

i don't care

Avalon wrote: »

Now, scale that up to millions of players, and the prices we see in the store, and you get a really disgusting image of greed at play, especially when you consider how much is broken in the game, how many QoL things we still are missing, and so much more.

You actually have no idea do you about how much they pay the people who work for them, yearly salary plus benefits, or the amount of otherwise overhead. I highly doubt it's greed. If 200 people got paid my salary then that's over 12million a year plus the cost of running the game, servers, etc. They need money to actually have the game survive. Now I do think the prices for the houses is outrageous but people want them and pay for them. Who am I to question why. I love the new home but 65.00 for an ingame item that I'll rarely see and that can go away at any time, is too rich for my blood. I've done it in the past but times have changed for me.

I sub to ESO for what the extras our but especially for the crafting bag, but no one is forcing people into subbing and that's a good thing.

Kiralyn2000 · May 2018

Magenpie wrote: »

I like the SWTOR model, where if you sub you get a lot of QoL things bundled into it and you get some monthly cash shop credits. However, of you prefer F2P, you can still buy all the sub benefits from their cash shop. On top of that, cash shop items can be sold via the in-game Auction House for in-game 'gold'. This way, everyone playing the game gets access to everything available one way or another, which I like, and it means people can pay for the game in a way which is most appropriate to them. More ways to spend money, more money for the game.

Edit: Also forgot to say - with SWTOR, if you've subscribed at any point, you keep some of the QoL benefits if you go back to F2P. Basically there's three types of account - F2P, Preferred (if you've subbed at some point) and Premium (Subscribers.) Also, if you have a security key, you get an extra 100 cash shop credits a month whether you're playing or not.

Oh, god, SWTOR's model was awful. Take the ESO+ "you gotta get it for the craft bag" and then multiply it by orders of magnitude. I played SWTOR for the first three months subbed (they had one of those "game time + cartel coins + expansions" sales), and the instant the sub dropped, playing became tedious beyond belief. Traveling anywhere took much longer, could no longer buy anything because of the incredibly low credit cap, limitations on equipping gear, etc, etc, etc. Haven't been back since, playing without sub just wasn't worth it. (disclaimer: this was a while ago. based on my screenshots I last played in Aug 15)

Magenpie · May 2018

[/quote]Oh, god, SWTOR's model was awful. Take the ESO+ "you gotta get it for the craft bag" and then multiply it by orders of magnitude. I played SWTOR for the first three months subbed (they had one of those "game time + cartel coins + expansions" sales), and the instant the sub dropped, playing became tedious beyond belief. Traveling anywhere took much longer, could no longer buy anything because of the incredibly low credit cap, limitations on equipping gear, etc, etc, etc. Haven't been back since, playing without sub just wasn't worth it. (disclaimer: this was a while ago. based on my screenshots I last played in Aug 15)[/quote]

Hi there @Kiralyn2000 - I've played more recently but perhaps the model just didn't suit you. I like it though, as I say, because everything is available to everyone, but you can obtain them in different ways. So, for example, if you drop your sub, you can still upgrade your speeder travel to a point where it will be the same as your subscription travel level, if you see what I mean? There are very few permenantly 'locked' QoL/Cosmetic/Content items between the subscription and the F2P/Preferred account models. Perhaps I'm not explaining very well! x)

Mureel · May 2018

Agree

Skoomah wrote: »

The cost for playing ESO is getting prohibitively expensive.

Balderdash. The cost of buying swag you don't need to play may be prohibitively expensive for you.

Fact remains, base game is perfectly in line with or cheaper than other games and your commitment of support ends there.

Sub exists if you want it. Or not.

Edited to add: I don't know why mine says 'agree' I didn't mean to select anything. Oops!

DieAlteHexe · May 2018

Disagreer

Mureel wrote: »

Skoomah wrote: »

The cost for playing ESO is getting prohibitively expensive.

Balderdash. The cost of buying swag you don't need to play may be prohibitively expensive for you.

Fact remains, base game is perfectly in line with or cheaper than other games and your commitment of support ends there.

Sub exists if you want it. Or not.

Once again, saved me the effort.

*pokes agree*

Aionari · May 2018

Disagreer

Like previous posters have stated, ESO was Subscription only game to begin with, it did not succeed, and Z made a change from Sub to B2P with Sub optional.

I am Sub, but I would not want this game to be Sub only as that would decrease the number of players. thus reducing the enjoyment of MMO experience.

Just my 2 cents

DMuehlhausen · May 2018

Disagreer

The reason for the vote..

Sub and B2P is the same thing. You B2P = Buy to Play. Sub = You bought the game and now you pay for access to it.

You are more asking. Should it be F2P = Free to Play (no purchase or sub required) or a B2P/Sub deal.

The answer is you want B2P/Sub. F2P essentially always go full on Cash/Crown/Coin shops and eventually end up P2W. Games like SWTOR are F2P but you only get access to like 60% of the game. You can only have like 1 crafting skill where normally you can have 3 gathering and 2 crafting. You can do like 2 PvE dungeons a day, wear 1 piece of purple or higher gear.

This is what happens to all F2P games. They have to force you to purchase items to simply keep the doors open. If you B2P then sub, and nothing in the cash shops are required or "upgrades" then the model is sustainable.

essi2 · May 2018

Disagreer

The current model while flawed is fairly good.